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PEE Poll: Star Trek vs. Star Wars
Star Trek   -17 (24.3%)
Star Wars   -37 (52.9%)
Both Are Equally Good   -8 (11.4%)
Both Equally Suck   -4 (5.7%)
    -4 (5.7%)
Total Voters: 69

Kryten

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« Reply #40 on: 07-25-2003 01:49 »

 
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Originally posted by duckarse:
p.s. how anyone can say farscape is good is beyond me....ive seen one ok episode, the rest bored me...but thats just my opinion, im sure i like some rubbish programs. Well, at least it aint babylon 5.

It's simple, really... we like stuff that's good.

Also, Chiana's hot.

Grim

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« Reply #41 on: 07-25-2003 01:50 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2003 01:50 »

Edit: damn, people posting before me

Hayden Christensen or whatever who plays Anakin,

but what do u expect, he got his start on neighbours or home and away or something.
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« Reply #42 on: 07-25-2003 20:13 »

 
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
TNG, OTOH, is probably my favourite sci-fi series of all time (though SG-1 is starting to catch my attention   wink).
SG-1's got better plotlines and continuity.
It even pokes fun at classic sci-fi bits:
"If I'm out of phase and I can walk through walls, what's stopping me falling through the floor?!?" - 100th Episode.  laff
PCC Fred

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« Reply #43 on: 07-25-2003 20:47 »

Meh, SG1's continuity is okay, but it's pretty obvious they're just making it up as they go along.

And this whole business with Michael Shanks quitting then being persuaded to return has made everyone look a bit silly, as well as being unfair on Corin Nemec, who's been written out of the show after Shanks' return.
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« Reply #44 on: 07-26-2003 03:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
 It's simple, really... we like stuff that's good.

Also, Chiana's hot.

Too right she is hot  love

I'm not sure which I prefer of Star Wars/Star Trek, If we were just talking about movies I'd go with Star Wars but it is hard to compare five films with hundreds of TV shows... I liked both  smile
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #45 on: 07-26-2003 07:40 »

You can't really compare them no. So I won't.
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #46 on: 07-26-2003 10:05 »

Can't be arsed to read through all of this.

It was the success of Star Wars that got the people behind Star Trek thinking, and they made the first movie. The rest is history. So, in a way, ST owes SW.

My personal choice = Star Trek.
Jamesbondcja

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« Reply #47 on: 07-26-2003 11:38 »

I have gota pick Wars every time.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #48 on: 07-26-2003 19:29 »

 
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Originally posted by ZombieJesus:
It was the success of Star Wars that got the people behind Star Trek thinking, and they made the first movie. The rest is history. So, in a way, ST owes SW.

*harsh buzzer sound* WRONG!

The people behind Star Trek had already decided to make a new Star Trek series in 1977, they'd built the sets, written the scripts, hired all the original actors except Leanord Nimoy, hired Persis Khambatta as Ilea, hired Stephen Collins as Decker.  Then Star Wars came along, so the makers of Star Trek decided to scrap the TV show and make a movie instead.

However a lot of what you see in the movie - Decker, Ilea, the costumes and sets, are pretty much what the new series could've been like.
Gocad

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« Reply #49 on: 07-26-2003 19:32 »

They even had some Scripts for the "new" Star Trek TV series. And if I'm not mistaken, the first episode of the 2nd Season of TNG used one of these Scripts. (Or the episode was based on it, something like that.)
PCC Fred

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« Reply #50 on: 07-26-2003 19:47 »

During the Writers' Strike of 1988, TNG producers dusted off a Phase II episode called "The Child", replaced Ilea with Deanna - instant episode!  smile
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #51 on: 07-26-2003 19:53 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2003 19:53 »

TNG also used another Phase 2 script, though I can't remember what it is now for the life of me.  confused
PCC Fred

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« Reply #52 on: 07-26-2003 19:55 »

It was Season 4's "Devil's Due".  Which explains why Ardra put the moves on Picard.
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« Reply #53 on: 07-26-2003 20:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
Also, Chiana's hot.
Meh, I always liked Aeryn better.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #54 on: 07-26-2003 21:59 »

Thanks PCC Fred, I knew it was something like that.  IIRC, Ardra was played by Thomas Magnums wife on Magnum P.I.
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« Reply #55 on: 07-27-2003 02:11 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
Which explains why Ardra put the moves on Picard.

Because Patrick Stewart is a sexxy bitch

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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« Reply #56 on: 07-28-2003 04:05 »

You can't make a comparison. I look at Star Wars more as Sci-Fi + Fantasy. Where Star Trek in my mind is more like "this is all science, listen to these complex words and weep suckaz".

Still, if the next star wars film is anything like the Ep I and II... I might side with Star Trek. Really shoddy stuff. The only thing saving the star wars name is Natalie Portman (who happens to be oh so cute)... and the other films (Eps 4, 5, 6).

Farscape: Crap in season 1, but then it got really good, really quick. Aeryn is the kinda girl that tunes up cars, and wants angry sex when you get home from work. Erm, hang on anyway, I think I liked it for more original story lines. Perhaps there is so little Sci-Fi on UK terrestrial TV, you'll watch anything they give you... and if it's Farscape, so be it... you may grumble... but like any sci-fi show... you watch 1 ep, then another, and another... then you're hooked.

PS. Babylon 5 was only good during the Shadow war... Zahadoom(sp?) and all that crap
Gocad

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« Reply #57 on: 07-28-2003 06:48 »

 
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Originally posted by kip:
Still, if the next star wars film is anything like the Ep I and II...

Don't worry, kip. George Lucas promised that Ep. 3 will be much darker...

Then again, I think he said the same before Ep 1 was released. And before Ep. 2 was released....
Lurrr

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« Reply #58 on: 07-28-2003 07:03 »

Damn my crappy computer! I've missed most of this disscussion!

Anyway, I love both Star Wars and Star Trek but I can't choose between them. The orignal Star Wars trilogy was great but Episode 1 and some of Episode 2 just suck. Star Trek TNG is just classic TV sci-fi but everything after that was crap IMO. But they very different programmes- Star Trek dealt with some important issues during its run. Star Wars is just a big epic story. Not that makes worse mind you.

I'll forget I read all that stuff about B5 and Farscape. I can't really be arsed to argue about it  tongue
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« Reply #59 on: 07-28-2003 13:10 »
« Last Edit on: 07-28-2003 13:10 »

 
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By Kip:
The only thing saving the star wars name is Natalie Portman

Are you kidding me? She's cute, but she's the worst actress ever! The prequels would be so much better if they had an actress who knew what she was doing. They should have kept Kiera Knightly!!!!!!111

...one.

 
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By Gocad:
Don't worry, kip. George Lucas promised that Ep. 3 will be much darker...

Then again, I think he said the same before Ep 1 was released. And before Ep. 2 was released....

Actually, since he started working on the prequels, his "order of darkness" story has been kept pretty straight. Episode one is the lighthearted adventure, Episode two is darker, but still ends with Anakin getting married, and Episode three is the darkest, when everything goes to hell.

But it doesn't matter how dark the movies are--I care about how well they are done. Temple of Doom was the "darkest" Indy movie, but it was also the worst/most childish. Attack of the Clones had a lot of dark stuff(limbs flying everywhere, parents dying, Anakin killing semi-innocent creatures, the empire forming at the end), but it also had some lame stuff. I have high hopes for episode III though. I'm even trying to stay spoiler-free this time.
duckarse

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« Reply #60 on: 07-29-2003 08:46 »

mmmmmm....sorry if ive offended, but i hate all that american tv sci-fi stuff. Trek i can take but babylon 5, farscape and stargate all bore me. I find they never really make a story work, too many times they finish abruptly when they could have been two part episodes.

Star Wars has loads of action, and thats why it good....im a really fan of episodes 1 and 2....mainly because its cool to see palpatine make everyone run round in circles while he uses them to get to the head of the senate and mass a huge army. And for that reason i cant wait for ep 3....it should be one huge war, to quote Yoda...'started this clone war has'

oh....and Hayden Christensen is no where as annoying as that little s**t jake llyod....i just wanted to punch him and his big fat head....*trys to calm down*
Hulkbuster

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« Reply #61 on: 07-29-2003 19:40 »
« Last Edit on: 07-29-2003 19:40 »

All the Sci-fi's or major ones that have been mentioned here, (Star Trek, SG1, B5, Farscape etc.) and some of them that haven't been mentioned (Blakes 7, Dr. Who) all these shows are amazing.

Better than the rest of T.V. could in their wettest of wet dreams hope to be. No Matter how bad some sci-fi's can get (Earth 2, Firefly.) they are still better and more interesting than 99% of the other schlock that gushes from the collective poopshoot of the networks.

We should all raise our spectacles in appreciation and thanks to other UberGeeks and MegaFreaks like ourselves (or at least those of you that are willing to accept your fate) that helped create and maintain the genre.

Excelsior!
Lurrr

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« Reply #62 on: 07-30-2003 10:16 »

^ Amen brother!

It's strange that the people I meet who say that sci-fi is boring are the same people that watch soap operas and reality TV shows 24/7. Strange in that I normally meet intelligent people. Even poor shows (IMO) like Voyager and Stargate are more inventive and imaginative than the majority of crap we see on the TV these days. How anyone can call Star Trek more boring then Eastenders, I don't know.

And that's not to mention the impact that sci-fi has had on TV. Sci-fi has been a pioneering force in every aspect, even race (Star Trek- first interracial kiss on TV) and should be appreciated as such. But no, we are doomed to wander our convention halls forever, alone but with our heads held high! *salutes before the flag of the UFP*

Ah screw it, I'm going out to buy my B5 season 2 set.
kip
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« Reply #63 on: 07-30-2003 17:46 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2003 17:46 »

 
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Are you kidding me? She's cute, but she's the worst actress ever! The prequels would be so much better if they had an actress who knew what she was doing. They should have kept Kiera Knightly!!!!!!111

I never said anything about her acting skills   laff    laff    laff

Actually, I think I'm so blinded by her cuteness I didnt notice she (according to you) can't act. That or I was cringing at the Jar Jar f**king binx (bincks? bincs? dickhead creature? sp?)...

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While we're on Sci-Fi, don't forget: Seven Days, Sliders, SeaQuest, Space Above and Beyond, and er... yeah that's all. Nobody and I mean NOBODY ever mention: EARTH FINAL CONFLICT. That show SUCKED SO MUCH ASS that if it SUCKED any more ASS, it would be an ASS sucking ASS, that sucked ASSES for kicks. Ok, no... that didn't make any sense, if only to convey my contempt for that horrid show.

Nixorbo

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« Reply #64 on: 07-30-2003 19:55 »

 
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Originally posted by kip:
Space Above and Beyond

Sweet Satan on a pogo stick, I'm NOT the only one who remembers that show!  Yet another Sci Fi show cruelly mistreated and cancelled by Fox.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
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kip
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« Reply #65 on: 07-30-2003 20:46 »

^^

Yes, it was a great show... with many hot women. And tank was cool. The end of the series was too sudden and tragic  frown
duckarse

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« Reply #66 on: 07-31-2003 08:29 »

worringly i actually like space above and beyond....never got on with sliders...but sea quest was funny
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« Reply #67 on: 07-31-2003 09:10 »

 
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Originally posted by DrThunder88:
 I was going to say something similar that I feel works better.  Here's an SAT analogy for you...Star Wars is to Lord of the Rings as Star Trek is to James Bond.  In the sense that Star Wars has the same sort of mythological, "Once upon a time..." feeling that I get from Lord of the Rings.  Much of what is seen and heard is merely accepted (e.g. only the archnerds out there know how a lightsaber is supposed to work).  In Star Trek there is a greater effort to explain things and how they apply to the world as it could be.  Both Bond and Star Trek also have more of a serial mindset to them.  There is no major conflict between two stable sides (Empire versus Rebellion, Light versus Dark), as certain conflicts are resolved new conflicts can be added by adding new antagonists.  Even though Voyager was bickering with the Borg most of the way through the Delta Quadrant, that was not the major conflict of the show.

Some time ago I read a lot about this topic. You can carry this on even farther and say that Star Wars is in a way a LOTR rip off (I guess all the Star Ewars fans already know that, but i'll post it anyway). You can say that Obi-Wan is Gandalf, Leia Galadriel, Vader Saruman, Emperor Palpatine Sauron, Han Solo Strider and so on. I don't know if it's true but there sure are some interesting similarities.
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« Reply #68 on: 07-31-2003 17:18 »

Yes Arkad, when you think about it, all fantasy/adventure films share this common formula. It's called 'the heros journey', Akira Kerasowa used it too.
Kryten

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« Reply #69 on: 07-31-2003 21:53 »

Read some Joseph Campbell to get a better understanding.
Tweek

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« Reply #70 on: 08-01-2003 06:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 Sweet Satan on a pogo stick, I'm NOT the only one who remembers that show!  Yet another Sci Fi show cruelly mistreated and cancelled by Fox.

I was a fan of that too, it sucked that they never made a second series  mad

Wonderbee31

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« Reply #71 on: 08-01-2003 14:07 »

Hey FishyJoe: Why don't you sit down and watch the classic series, before Berman&Braga(B&B) decide to do a restart, (like Battlestar Galactica) and decide that this was how it really happened, and then say, naw, that's boring.  I mean come on, they had giant space amoeba's for heavens sake. 
FishyJoe

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« Reply #72 on: 08-02-2003 02:00 »

Wonderbee, I've seen some of the classic series. I generally hate Trek, but I respect the original.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #73 on: 08-02-2003 09:07 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2003 09:07 »

Allllrighty then!

(Does the happy feet dance)  smile
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #74 on: 09-30-2003 16:36 »

Star Wars kicks Star Trek's ass! I mean there's no competition. Even though the prequels do suck, their  special effects can make up for weak storylines. And the classic trilogy is perfect, a masterpiece. I really do think that George Lucas should write episodes 7, 8, and 9. He wouldn't direct, of course. Irvin Kershner should direct them.
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« Reply #75 on: 09-30-2003 16:47 »

Star Wars is better.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #76 on: 06-25-2004 00:51 »

Both have their moments and both have made an impact on pop culture, but I'd go with Star Wars, only because it has more action and adventure.  Star Trek is based more on scientific stuff, while Star Wars deals with more spirital stuff.
M0le

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« Reply #77 on: 06-25-2004 00:56 »

Star Wars by far. Star Trek isn't even fun to watch.  no no
Grim

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« Reply #78 on: 06-25-2004 10:23 »

 
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Originally posted by M0le:
Star Trek isn't even fun to watch.   no no

I have to disagree, I have been buying the DVD sets and in the last 2 months I have watched close to 65hrs of Star Trek and have enjoyed every minute of it!

Sit down and watch it all from the begining and its almost impossible not to enjoy, as long as you come at it with no bias, BUT each to their own
Tweek

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« Reply #79 on: 06-25-2004 10:57 »

It is hard to compare the two, apart from the word Star in the title and the fact that they are both sci-fi set in space they don't have much in common, a bit like comparing Pulp Fiction to Miss Marple on the grounds that they both feature crime.
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