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PEE Poll: Star Trek vs. Star Wars
Star Trek   -17 (24.3%)
Star Wars   -37 (52.9%)
Both Are Equally Good   -8 (11.4%)
Both Equally Suck   -4 (5.7%)
    -4 (5.7%)
Total Voters: 69

OC_James

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« on: 07-23-2003 13:25 »

Which do you like best, which universe feels more real to you, which characters are the best, which has the best plot/plots? When I refer to Star Trek I don't just mean the shows and the movies I mean the books, the specials, the comics (I think there was a comic series) and the same goes for Star Wars.
MuscaDomestica

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« Reply #1 on: 07-23-2003 13:35 »

Neither both are good series that have had a bunch of much worse modern incarnations. Both have their weakness and strengths.

I don't like Trek that much but I see why people like it.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #2 on: 07-23-2003 13:42 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2003 13:42 »

I am an older Trekkie,(growing up in the 60's and 70's, and have always enjoyed the original series and cartoon show.  That said, I also like Star Wars as well, and saw it several times when it came out in '77.  I think that both series are done well, with a lot of thought behind them. 

However, I have grown to dislike the later incarnations, for Trek, the 22nd and 24th century shows, and Wars, the prequels, and sequels(books). 

Guess I'm just becoming an old fogey.  wink
Speli

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« Reply #3 on: 07-23-2003 13:52 »

I'm not a trekkie, but I admire the show. It has great plots, more realistic universe and tribbles! But Star Wars has all the cool stuff, and you can't deny it. I love Star Wars with all my heart, but I have a respect for Star Trek  smile
davids

Starship Captain
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« Reply #4 on: 07-23-2003 14:19 »

what is option 5? Star trek the next generation rules!
SamuelXDiamond

Rectum Favourist
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« Reply #5 on: 07-23-2003 14:29 »

Never truly got into either, but I doubt i'll ever get bored of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Trek has it's moments of genuine brilliance, but a lot of the stupidity of the series, lampooned in countless spoofs, are well-founded.

I second my wife's opinion!
sheep555

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #6 on: 07-23-2003 14:36 »

Is it true that there are two seperate groups of Trekkies - called Trekers and Trekkies? (a la People's Front of Judea / Judean People's Front)
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #7 on: 07-23-2003 15:57 »

"Talk abooouut Staaaar Waaaarrrsss!!"
Definately a better Universe, I think.

And I'm a Gater myself, Trek isn't my 1st sci fi series preference.  smile
But respect to it.
Hulkbuster

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« Reply #8 on: 07-23-2003 17:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2003 17:52 »

A Trekkie is someone who watches the show and loves the entertainment of it i.e. they are trekked.

A Trekker dresses up, goes to conventions, roleplays etc...  they trek or try to forcefully insert themselves into the trek universe.

I am a Trekkie.... I feel the alure of the costumes and the shiny doodads but have a firm hold on reality and friends who would beat me if I did it.
M Jackson
Professor
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« Reply #9 on: 07-23-2003 18:05 »

Star Wars of course! Words can not describe how much I love Star Wars (although I'm not one of those sad hardcore fans who knows the name of every ewok) I've watched each film many times and I love them all. Pure magic, and pure cinema!

Now, Star Trek, to be honest I've never watched it that much, but this alone shows that I don't like it alot. I'm not in a positon to criticise it on a technical or artistic level. But in my opinion its not in the same league as Star Wars. I like to watch the odd episode of the original series on occasions, but from what i've seen of the later series, it's all a bit dull.
I appreciate that Star Trek is loved by people all over the world and is part of pop-culture, but I'm just not in to it. Although I did enjoy the Futurama Star Trek episode mainly to see the cast bitching, it's so funny.

Star Wars: The force is strong with this one!

Star Trek: (Don't) beam us up Scotty!
Gocad

Space Pope
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« Reply #10 on: 07-23-2003 18:25 »

Comparing Star Trek with Star Wars is the same thing like comparing LotR with Harry Potter. It just doesn't work.
M Jackson
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« Reply #11 on: 07-23-2003 18:41 »

Sure it does, the out come...Star Wars is better!
PCC Fred

Space Pope
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« Reply #12 on: 07-23-2003 18:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Hulkbuster:
A Trekkie is someone who watches the show and loves the entertainment of it i.e. they are trekked.

A Trekker dresses up, goes to conventions, roleplays etc...  they trek or try to forcefully insert themselves into the trek universe.

I am a Trekkie.... I feel the alure of the costumes and the shiny doodads but have a firm hold on reality and friends who would beat me if I did it.

Put more simply, Trekkers are Trekkies who get uptight about being called Trekkies, so they call themselves Trekkers in order to pretend that they're superior to Trekkies.

Okay, maybe it wasn't that simple.  But you get my point.

This is a tough one.  It's easy to say that Voyager and Enterprise have damaged the reputation of Star Trek, but The Phantom Menace didn't exactly do Star Wars any huge favours either.

Put it this way - I await Attack of the Clones and Star Trek : Nemesis with equal apathy.
M Jackson
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« Reply #13 on: 07-23-2003 18:45 »

Await them? Are you living in the past, they're already out on DVD.  As you can guess I've got Attack of the Clones, great film (so is The Phantom Menace!).
PCC Fred

Space Pope
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« Reply #14 on: 07-23-2003 19:02 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2003 19:02 »

M Jackson, you're right.  Attack of the Clones HAS been out on DVD for ages, while Nemesis has made the cinema rounds in the UK.

The fact I still haven't seen either of them should give a clue about how little I care whether I see them or not.

[EDIT]Jeez, look at that.  I'm turning into the new Ben![/EDIT]
M Jackson
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« Reply #15 on: 07-23-2003 19:06 »

Give Attack of the Clones a try, it's great! And if you're not a big Star Wars fan, just skip to the arena battle and Yoda fight, I fail to see how anybody can't be entertained by that!
PCC Fred

Space Pope
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« Reply #16 on: 07-23-2003 19:34 »

I was a big Star Wars fan, until The Pantomime Menace Was released.
FishyJoe

Honorary German
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« Reply #17 on: 07-23-2003 22:18 »

Jar Jar kicks Will Wheaton's ass, I don't care what anyone says!!!!

.......also, Farscape kicks ass.
Kryten

Space Pope
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« Reply #18 on: 07-23-2003 22:29 »

Star Trek is better. More hotties.
DrThunder88

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« Reply #19 on: 07-23-2003 22:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Gocad:
Comparing Star Trek with Star Wars is the same thing like comparing LotR with Harry Potter. It just doesn't work.

I was going to say something similar that I feel works better.  Here's an SAT analogy for you...Star Wars is to Lord of the Rings as Star Trek is to James Bond.  In the sense that Star Wars has the same sort of mythological, "Once upon a time..." feeling that I get from Lord of the Rings.  Much of what is seen and heard is merely accepted (e.g. only the archnerds out there know how a lightsaber is supposed to work).  In Star Trek there is a greater effort to explain things and how they apply to the world as it could be.  Both Bond and Star Trek also have more of a serial mindset to them.  There is no major conflict between two stable sides (Empire versus Rebellion, Light versus Dark), as certain conflicts are resolved new conflicts can be added by adding new antagonists.  Even though Voyager was bickering with the Borg most of the way through the Delta Quadrant, that was not the major conflict of the show.

In short, there is no clear cut way to determine a victor in this debate.  I would tend to classify the Star Wars series as "Science Fiction" and Star Trek as "Science Fiction", and both are good examples.
Margarita

Space Pope
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« Reply #20 on: 07-24-2003 00:00 »

meh.

in other words, dont really care so voted for blank wink
OC_James

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #21 on: 07-24-2003 00:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
Star Trek is better. More hotties.

I feel Leia and Amidala are more arousing than most of the Star Trek women combined (This includes the green women). Having said that, I hate Leia's hair and I hate the way Amidala wore her hair through most of The Phantom Menace.

Nurdbot

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« Reply #22 on: 07-24-2003 00:56 »

Nurdy break's the tie. Go Star Wars.
Atticus

Bending Unit
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« Reply #23 on: 07-24-2003 00:59 »

Atticus ties it up again.
Go Star Wars indeed.
Only the original trilogy though.
Gocad

Space Pope
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« Reply #24 on: 07-24-2003 02:29 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by M Jackson:
Await them? Are you living in the past, they're already out on DVD.  As you can guess I've got Attack of the Clones, great film (so is The Phantom Menace!).

The Attack of the Clones DVD is great, no question. After all, it is easy to skip all the dialouge scenes with Anakin and Amidala...  tongue
Zed 85

Space Pope
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« Reply #25 on: 07-24-2003 03:32 »

I prefer Star Wars, but Star Trek is not without its charms.  smile
Both equally good, and I guess at the same time, both equally bad if you know what I mean.
davids

Starship Captain
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« Reply #26 on: 07-24-2003 04:35 »

but what is option 5?
Gocad

Space Pope
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« Reply #27 on: 07-24-2003 07:49 »

It's the "Blank" option, of course ... why didn't I take this one?  no no
duckarse

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #28 on: 07-24-2003 08:25 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2003 08:25 »

mmmm...lets see..when testing out my new tv i used the lighsaber battle from phantom menace....i have the first 2 films(not date order) on dvd and the original trilogy on vhs...have owned a lightsaber and have one star wars book.

for trek...again i one one book, have best of both worlds on vhs....as for that i dont care if i miss it on tv.

Star Wars is the best....basically down to its action as well as a well engineered sub plot with a few continuity errors....Star trek does things too morally, ive seen too many episodes that end in 5 minutes with a quick chat rather than the battle it was leading up to.

p.s. how anyone can say farscape is good is beyond me....ive seen one ok episode, the rest bored me...but thats just my opinion, im sure i like some rubbish programs. Well, at least it aint babylon 5.
M Jackson
Professor
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« Reply #29 on: 07-24-2003 08:47 »

I think that Star Wars is the league of other epic movie sagas like The Lord of the Rings. And Star Trek is just another of those Sci-fi shows you get on Sky One, like Farscape, Stargate, and all those other almost identical shows. Sure Star Trek started it, but it's still all the same.
Delta-V

Starship Captain
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« Reply #30 on: 07-24-2003 09:17 »

Episode II: Send in the Clones is worth it just to see Yoda kick butt.  The crowd in the theater I was in almost gave him a standing ovation.

I read a Usenet thread once on Stormtroopers vs. Red-Shirted Security Men.  The conclusion was that the red-shirts would win because, while both are easy to kill (Stormtroopers die even with near-misses), each red-shirt has to die in some different, horrible manner, and the Empire would simply run out of ideas of how to kill them!  big grin
Ricky

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #31 on: 07-24-2003 09:34 »

They are both great in their own distinctive ways. Impossible to choose, it is.
CyberKnight

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« Reply #32 on: 07-24-2003 10:02 »

Star Wars probably has broader appeal. The original trilogy for me beats, hands down, TOS.

But then, I'm of the opinion that the actors in the original trilogy made those films (not just literally  tongue). Lucas' overreliance on CGI in the prequels (and most of it doesn't even look that good) at the expense of basic fundamentals makes them less enjoyable, IMHO.

TNG, OTOH, is probably my favourite sci-fi series of all time (though SG-1 is starting to catch my attention  wink).

I would put it like this : whenever each series sticks to it's strengths, they're both great. Star Wars works best as a lighter-hearted, not so meticulous sci-fi series, and Trek works in the exact opposite. Most attempts at venturing into the other's territory fail (although there are exceptions).
Grim

Professor
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« Reply #33 on: 07-24-2003 21:07 »

TNG and Voyager beat star wars...
but star wars beats TOS and DS9

As for enterprise, I dont know where I rate it, Its not as good as TNG, but its still ok. hmm forget enterprise I wont compare it.
Hulkbuster

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« Reply #34 on: 07-24-2003 22:51 »

Voyager better than the original series or DS9. In whatever universe this is true I am thy lord thy god and would make it right again.
FishyJoe

Honorary German
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« Reply #35 on: 07-25-2003 00:42 »

 
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By duckarse:
p.s. how anyone can say farscape is good is beyond me....ive seen one ok episode, the rest bored me...but thats just my opinion, im sure i like some rubbish programs. Well, at least it aint babylon 5.

You son of a! I've always been a Star Wars fan, and Farscape gets me closest to that "Star Wars" feeling. It's different, but it seems to affect me on the same level. While Star Trek and all those other shows take turns trying to out-bore each other, Farscape is more adventurous and weird. But I guess it's not for everyone.

But to get back on topic: even if you people hate the prequels, at least when it's all over, it'll just be six movies, telling one story. It's not going to go on until everybody hates it, like Star Trek.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #36 on: 07-25-2003 01:08 »

 
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Originally posted by OC_James:
 I feel Leia and Amidala are more arousing than most of the Star Trek women combined (This includes the green women). Having said that, I hate Leia's hair and I hate the way Amidala wore her hair through most of The Phantom Menace.

I hated the way Amidala acted like she has the personality and emotions of balsa wood.

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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Atticus

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« Reply #37 on: 07-25-2003 01:09 »

Did anyone else think that the guy who played Anakin in episode 2 was one horrible actor?
OC_James

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #38 on: 07-25-2003 01:14 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2003 01:14 »

Bah, you people with your complex emotions and standards set above good looks. I don't care if Amidala has the personality of a salt shaker as long as she doesn't have the figure of one. That's why I get all the fine ladies...(returns to sobbing violently in a corner surrounded by posters of Kevin Smith movies)
Nixorbo

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« Reply #39 on: 07-25-2003 01:25 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Atticus:
Did anyone else think that the guy who played Anakin in episode 2 was one horrible actor?

You mean you didn't like the way he looked like a date rapist the entire movie?

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


"He has the special talent, though, of being able to help people and make them feel utterly stupid all at the same time. ... In short, he's a great moderator, but a terrible human being."
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