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David A

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« Reply #80 on: 10-04-2004 15:51 »

 
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Beast Boy (although according to the site, he's still called Changeling in this comic.)

He was always called Changeling in the comics.

Beast Boy was what he was called back when he was with the Doom Patrol.  He changed it to Changeling before he joined the Titans.

I have no idea why they chose to call him Beast Boy on the cartoon.

He's gone back to being called Beast Boy in the current Teen Titans comics, but that series started after the show came out, so I'm sure that the name change was done to avoid confusing fans of the show.
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« Reply #81 on: 10-04-2004 16:41 »

 
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I have no idea why they chose to call him Beast Boy on the cartoon.

I do. Changeling and Gar Logan don't sound as cool to kids as Beast Boy.

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David A

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« Reply #82 on: 10-04-2004 17:21 »

Personally, I think that Changeling sounds a lot cooler than Beast Boy.

When the show first started, it really bothered me that they called him Beast Boy instead of Changeling.  I think I've gotten used to it though.  I don't really mind anymore.

What does bother me is the fact that they never call each other by their real names.  When Starfire's sister came to visit, the two sisters even called each other Starfire and Blackfire.  That was lame.
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« Reply #83 on: 10-04-2004 21:06 »

 
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What does bother me is the fact that they never call each other by their real names.  When Starfire's sister came to visit, the two sisters even called each other Starfire and Blackfire.  That was lame.

Aside from Robin, none of them have secret identities anyway.  I don't think any really needs to worry about concealing Beast Boy's 'true identity.'  He is who he is, and he's pretty difficult to disguise in everyday life.

I admit, it was akward when they were on Tameran and they were *still* referred to as Starfire and Blackfire.  Even the noblemen called them by their "Earth" names.  Did the writers think little kids would be confused?
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« Reply #84 on: 10-04-2004 22:56 »

Probably.

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« Reply #85 on: 10-05-2004 02:49 »

Kids are stupid.  Writing for kids is stupid. I would love to see a TT episode full of gore and curse words, just to upset any little kids watching.  Oh, and nudity too.  wink
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« Reply #86 on: 10-05-2004 07:42 »

 
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Aside from Robin, none of them have secret identities anyway.  I don't think any really needs to worry about concealing Beast Boy's 'true identity.'  He is who he is, and he's pretty difficult to disguise in everyday life.

That's true, but doesn't that make them more likely to use their real names?  I mean, if they don't have to worry about secrecy, why not use their real names?

It makes me very sad that no one ever calls Starfire Kory; not even Robin.

 
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I admit, it was akward when they were on Tameran and they were *still* referred to as Starfire and Blackfire.  Even the noblemen called them by their "Earth" names.  Did the writers think little kids would be confused?

The writers probably didn't, but Cartoon Network apparently did.

 
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« Reply #87 on: 10-05-2004 10:25 »
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I'm betting that (at least in the animated universe) "Starfire" and "Blackfire" are English translations of their Tamaranean names... "kori" means "star", "kom" means "black", and "And'R" means "fire". Makes as much sense as anything else. BTW, if you listen closely, in "Betrothed", Galinor (or whatever Star's "nanny" was called) says her real name when he's talking to her in Tamaranean.

And they had to change Chengeling's name back to Beast Boy because of some kind of legal issue, possibly related to the "Changeling" CCG.
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« Reply #88 on: 10-05-2004 12:30 »

 
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I'm betting that (at least in the animated universe) "Starfire" and "Blackfire" are English translations of their Tamaranean names... "kori" means "star", "kom" means "black", and "And'R" means "fire". Makes as much sense as anything else. BTW, if you listen closely, in "Betrothed", Galinor (or whatever Star's "nanny" was called) says her real name when he's talking to her in Tamaranean.

You know, there might be an episode where their true names are revealed. I'm just wondering how they've adapted Brother Blood to fit the animated show more than just giving him mind control - however, I don't know the full extent of his powers, but I got a read of one of the new series of the comics and um...he makes things very bloody. I also wonder if they're going to tie him in to Raven's birth like the new series does - apparently the fourth season of the show, according to some rumors at TV Tome, will deals with the whole Trigon issue. Which is probably why it appears to be moving towards making Brother Blood the new big bad guy. However, I always kind of expected to see him move forward in line. If you'll remember in "Deception," the old headmistress of The Hive is seen on the "Missing" banner of the milk carton Cyborg takes with him at lunch time. And Slade's robots from "Aftershock" looked remarkably similar to the robots in the The Hive's combat training facility. Maybe it'll be revealed Slade made a pact with Brother Blood, or that Brother Blood just decided to go all Corleone on Slade's ass and duped him into the Terra thing. 

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winna

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« Reply #89 on: 10-05-2004 12:44 »

Which one do you think is hottest?
David A

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« Reply #90 on: 10-05-2004 13:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
I'm betting that (at least in the animated universe) "Starfire" and "Blackfire" are English translations of their Tamaranean names... "kori" means "star", "kom" means "black", and "And'R" means "fire". Makes as much sense as anything else.

Oh, I don't like that explanation at all.  I will concede that it's a plausible one, however.

Really, though...  Who names their children Black and Star?

 
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BTW, if you listen closely, in "Betrothed", Galinor (or whatever Star's "nanny" was called) says her real name when he's talking to her in Tamaranean.

I missed that episode.  I'll have to try to catch it in reruns.

 
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And they had to change Chengeling's name back to Beast Boy because of some kind of legal issue, possibly related to the "Changeling" CCG.

Well, okay then.  If there were legal issues, then I can understand that.

I've gotten used to the name change, anyway.  Like I said, it doesn't bother me anymore.  I was just wondering why they did it.
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« Reply #91 on: 10-05-2004 13:26 »

Gimme Raven and Blackfire. With Metal Mistress Juliya from Fuse TV along for the ride, too. Whoo-yeah!

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« Reply #92 on: 10-05-2004 14:43 »

 
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 Really, though... Who names their children Black and Star?


Native Americans?
David A

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« Reply #93 on: 10-05-2004 15:43 »

 
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Native Americans?

Yeah, those guys.

Still, if I was a superhero and someone calling herself Blackfire showed up, it wouldn't take me a whole episode to figure out that she was a bad guy.

The really sad thing is that Deathstroke is just called Slade on the cartoon, so the Titans are on a first name basis with their archenemy, but not with each other.
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« Reply #94 on: 10-05-2004 20:49 »
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Well, I would say they call him Slade in the animated series because of two reasons: 1)"Slade" rolls off the tounge easier 2) Deathstroke's a little too scary sounding for a kid's show.
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« Reply #95 on: 10-05-2004 20:58 »

I think Teen Titans is a pretty mature show, especially considering it is a children's cartoon.  Because of that, I can overlook some of the more childish antics and nitpickety items like the fact that they are always dressed up as superheros.  The story writing is pretty superb on that show, and that's a good thing.  wink
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« Reply #96 on: 10-05-2004 21:11 »

 
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Well, I would say they call him Slade in the animated series because of two reasons: 1)"Slade" rolls off the tounge easier 2) Deathstroke's a little too scary sounding for a kid's show.

I still believe there's a rule for kids' shows that they can't say the word "death" or "dead" or similiar phrases.  That's why Terra's speech in "Aftershock, pt 2" is kinda off, when she keeps telling Beast Boy to "destroy" her.
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« Reply #97 on: 10-05-2004 21:59 »

That's a good theory... I think it's right.
David A

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« Reply #98 on: 10-06-2004 04:13 »

Yeah, they can't call him Deathstroke, because they can't say "death" in a kids' show; and they can't call him the Terminator, because of that movie; and they can't call him Mr. Wilson, because of Dennis the Menace; so they just call him Slade.
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« Reply #99 on: 10-06-2004 23:39 »
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you comics people are gonna come after me for this, but I grabbed a torrent of what I thought was Vol. 1 of The New Teen Titans comics, and insteead it was volume 2 (starts with Aug. 1984 Issue 1.) I must say...wow. And don't worry, as soon as I get the money, I'll buy the Vol. 1 book and so on with all these freakin' issues in them. But damn, I can see some of the influences on the animated show from these. Although it would be hilarious in the animated show if Beast Boy suddenly started flirting with Starfire like he does in the comics. It'd make a great episode storyline - focusing on the triangle of Starfire, Robin, and Beast Boy.


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However, Glen Murakami, producer of the show, has said that, in his mind, Robin is Dick Grayson.

I got a little more info about that. Apparently Murakami believes that this Robin is Dick Grayson, but in order to scratch the out the whining of the people who might have said "wait, where does this take place in the context of the Batman animated series?" (which Murakami previously worked on), they decided to model the Teen Titans' Robin on Tim Drake in order to not confuse said people.
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« Reply #100 on: 10-08-2004 01:59 »

I'm pretty sure Robin is Dick Grayson.  Why else would he have had flashes of two people on the trapeze during "Haunted"?

I really, really enjoyed "Haunted."  And not just because a lot of people interpreted it as being a Raven/Robin episode.  It was just all-around wonderful, even if it's frustrating that they've brought back Slade.  I think the sequence where Raven jumped into Robin's body is one of the cloolest of the series.

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evan

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« Reply #101 on: 10-08-2004 02:08 »

Slay, did you quickly change your sig?  I liked it before, when it was two Starfires, two Ravens, and the kitty.  Not that I'm complaining, but it seems like there's too much Raven in the new version.
winna

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« Reply #102 on: 10-08-2004 02:15 »

Raven is hot.
David A

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« Reply #103 on: 10-08-2004 10:37 »

 
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you comics people are gonna come after me for this, but I grabbed a torrent of what I thought was Vol. 1 of The New Teen Titans comics, and insteead it was volume 2 (starts with Aug. 1984 Issue 1.) I must say...wow. And don't worry, as soon as I get the money, I'll buy the Vol. 1 book and so on with all these freakin' issues in them. But damn, I can see some of the influences on the animated show from these.

So, how much of the Terra storyline is in that?

 
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Although it would be hilarious in the animated show if Beast Boy suddenly started flirting with Starfire like he does in the comics. It'd make a great episode storyline - focusing on the triangle of Starfire, Robin, and Beast Boy.

Beast Boy can turn himself into a puppy or a kitten whenever he wants to.  How is Robin supposed to compete with that?

Incidentally, I took a look at the new Teen Titans comic the other day.  In the first issue, there's a scene where Starfire introduces the new Wonder Girl to our favorite green shapeshifter.  She says, "This is Gar Logan, our resident Changeling."  Gar then adds, "But all the girls call me Beast Boy."  (He then proceeds to flirt with both of them.)  Apparently, he changed his name back to Beast Boy to help him pick up chicks.

 
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 I got a little more info about that. Apparently Murakami believes that this Robin is Dick Grayson, but in order to scratch the out the whining of the people who might have said "wait, where does this take place in the context of the Batman animated series?" (which Murakami previously worked on), they decided to model the Teen Titans' Robin on Tim Drake in order to not confuse said people.

It's true that Robin looks like Tim Drake in the Teen Titans cartoon, but what many people seem to be forgetting is that Dick Grayson looked like Tim Drake on Batman: The Animated Series.  The original Robin costume that Dick Grayson wore in the comics is silly looking.  The Tim Drake version of the costume just looks better.  Besides, all of the Titans look different on the show from the way that they did in the comics.  Compare: comic book Titans animated Titans

I was willing to accept the "Robin is just Robin, neither Dick Grayson nor Tim Drake" explanation before I saw "Fractured" and "Haunted", but not anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, he's Dick Grayson.

Oh, and my name isn't evan.   no no
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« Reply #104 on: 10-08-2004 20:47 »

Tomorrow at 8 PM Eastern and Pacific, new Raven-centric episode "Spellbound" will be airing.

Episode description:
There's no one else quite like Raven: dark, somber, and undeniably creepy. Even with four friends around her, Raven still manages to feel alone in Titans Tower...until she discovers a charming young wizard named Malchior trapped inside one of her ancient books.

As usual, there will be a re-airing of "Spellbound" on Sunday at 10 PM Eastern/Pacific in case you miss it.

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winna

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« Reply #105 on: 10-08-2004 20:59 »

Sexalicious  wink
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« Reply #106 on: 10-09-2004 05:14 »

Speaking of...check out the designs for the proposed Hana-Barbera New Teen Titans series that never made it:


"The series would have featured Wonder Girl, Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, Changeling and Kid Flash. Robin would not be in the series, presumably because he was busy as a member of the Super Friends. Wonder Girl would be leader in the series and villains would include Trigon and Blackfire."

More info here.

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« Reply #107 on: 10-09-2004 11:52 »

I like the one that we have now. 
evan

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« Reply #108 on: 10-09-2004 12:00 »

Man, is it just me, or were comic designs in the 1980's horrible?
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« Reply #109 on: 10-09-2004 12:21 »

True that... I hate starfire with that frizzled thing she calls hair.  They look much better with straight hair.. also they all look less gay.
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« Reply #110 on: 10-09-2004 13:16 »

the funniest thing is that it was scrapped in favor of pursuing a more "Smurfs"-like show. That's just plain insulting.

evan

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« Reply #111 on: 10-09-2004 14:05 »

Aside from Changeling/Beast Boy, all the Titans look to be in their early 30s.  Especially Raven.

While we're making fun of that picture, that Cyborg looks terrible.  Is it so hard to make a black superhero look like something beside crap?
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« Reply #112 on: 10-09-2004 15:44 »
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Well, apparently it was for Hanna-Barbera.

Oh, and the ep next Saturday features THE RETURN OF MAD MOD!
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« Reply #113 on: 10-10-2004 03:21 »

Slay...er, RavenStar, it might be just me, but your avatar looks a bit fuzzier as an avatar than when it was part of your signature.
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« Reply #114 on: 10-10-2004 03:25 »

Background's transparent, is why.

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« Reply #115 on: 10-10-2004 03:28 »

Oh, that would explain it.

So...did anyone see tonight's episode?
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« Reply #116 on: 10-10-2004 03:30 »
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My review of "Spellbound:"


By the way, did anyone catch when Robin said "Cardiac, you're under arrest!"? Perhaps a tribute to the cheesy one liners of the old Adam West Batman TV show?
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« Reply #117 on: 10-10-2004 22:34 »

 
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I finally saw this episode, and I liked it quite a bit.  The second half of the show was pretty bittersweet.  I like how the show has matured beyond what was a "kiddie show."  This whole season had a series of rotten endings -  The Red X getting away, Slade still around, Cyborg being unable to live as a human....depressing.

I really wish Raven had kept the white robe, but that would have made her too powerful.
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« Reply #118 on: 10-10-2004 22:43 »

I don't think it was the robe making her powerful...
I also liked the shippiness of the end of this episode... as I don't think Terra will ever pump blood again.
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« Reply #119 on: 10-10-2004 23:51 »

 
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I really wish Raven had kept the white robe, but that would have made her too powerful.

The white robe wasn't because she was too powerful, it was because before Malchior turned on her, he had made her happy, she had fallen in love with him. That was why her robe was white. And also why she was eating an apple.

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