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Tweek
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DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~: Do I remember seeing female nudity in B5? Lyta Alexander took her top off, brief, and three-quarters rear as I recall.
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PCC Fred
Space Pope
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"War Without End" is quite possibly the best episode of anything I've ever seen! The mere thought that J. Michael Straczynski was planning ahead must've sent several Trek writers into comas. And yes, Lyta is H-O-T!
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Lurrr
Professor
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Lyta Alexander took her top off, brief, and three-quarters rear as I recall. Plus Ivanova wanders into C&C naked at one point, and that Nightwatch agent strips when seducing Sheridan. No full frontals though (unless Fazeshift has some 'special' versions of these episodes ). I still think that "Z'ha'dum" is the most breathtaking episode I've seen. That cliffhanger beats any other programme.
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PCC Fred
Space Pope
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The UK treatment was as follows: Season 1 - Sunday lunchtimes, with the pilot shown AFTER "Chrysalis". I never saw the first episode because it clashed with the 1994 Monaco GP. Season 2 - Sunday lunchtimes, and the bad editing was at it's worst here. In "Coming of Shadows" you don't see the Centauri Prime Minister being assassinated, and in "Comes the Inquisitor" during the scene where G'Kar and Vir are in the lift, G'Kar's hand starts dripping blood for no apparent reason. Season 3 - Suuuuunday lunchtimes! Season 4 - Thursday nights, the only period where it was on at a decent timeslot. Season 5 (Episodes 1-17) - Friday nights, although World Cup coverage pushed it later and later until it was airing at midnight, Saturday morning. Season 5 (Episodes 18-22) - "Sleeping in Light", the greatest, most moving series finale since "Blackadder", aired on January 1st 1999... at 11:00am, as part of the Big Breakfast.
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Lurrr
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@PCC Fred: Is that the Channel 4 times? Because I'm sure season 3 was being aired on a Tuesday on 4 (I know this because it was my job to record them every week).
I only started watching B5 in the third season because, as I said, my Dad wanted me to record it. I saw a couple of second season episodes but in the end I got to rewatch the first season when my Dad bought it on video. Having now got the first season DVDs I'm surprised at just how well-written the series is, even at this early stage.
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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« Reply #21 on: 02-25-2004 19:52 »
« Last Edit on: 02-25-2004 19:52 »
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I've heard complaints about the picture quality on the DVDs, but I haven't noticed anything. Of course, my television isn't exactly state-of-the-art. The live-action parts of the show were filmed in widescreen, but for some reason the space shots were done in 4:3. However, JMS says they did their best to adjust them, more than just sticking bars on the top and bottom of the screen. There aren't too many extras on the DVDs, but those I've seen were good. The commentary on "The Geometry of Shadows" with Bruce Boxleitner, Claudia Christian, and Jerry Doyle was great, even though they barely talk about the episode. It's just really funny. Doyle claims he really does pretend to be Bruce Willis.
None of the movies were really that great, probably because B5 works best in long, detailed stories. About Legend of the Rangers, people above already complained of the uninteresting characters and the downright stupid idea of the woman punching and kicking to fire weapons. Did no one realize how goofy that looked? It also seems unnecessary and wildly impractical. Still, a series based on that probably would have been better than the new Battlestar Galactica they're making.
I liked Crusade, and from what I've heard about TNT's interference, it's amazing they managed to do even the small numbers of episodes it had. "Visitors from Down the Street" was funny and very clever (even though I don't like that certain other sci-fi show).
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David A
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Originally posted by Lurrr: What are your favorite episodes? "Deathwalker" "Grail" "The Coming of Shadows" "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum" "Comes the Inquisitor" "The Fall of Night" " Passing Through Gethsemane" "Dust to Dust" " A Late Delivery from Avalon" "War Without End" "Falling Toward Apotheosis" "Intersections in Real Time" "A View from the Gallery" "Day of the Dead" and "Sleeping in Light" ...just to name a few. Know any decent B5 sites? The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 is a pretty good one. And what did you think of Crusade? I liked it, especially Peter Woodward's perfomances, but it just wasn't Babylon 5, if you know what I mean.
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Action Jacktion
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Recently I watched "Divided Loyalties" again; I remember it was one of the ones that blew my mind when I first saw it. But were Ivanova and Talia actually lesbians (or in a homosexual relationship)? It's never explained. We need to know!
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Action Jacktion
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Notice that I put lesbians "or in a homosexual relationship;" I also remember their previous heterosexual relationships. "Lesbians" just sounds neater.
I heard that if Claudia Christian had stayed for the fifth season, she as well as Lyta would have been involved with Byron. Bleah.
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Lurrr
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ecently I watched "Divided Loyalties" again; I remember it was one of the ones that blew my mind when I first saw it. But were Ivanova and Talia actually lesbians (or in a homosexual relationship)? It's never explained. We need to know! Most of the fans point to 'Ceremonies of Light and Darkness' as proof that Ivanova was sexually attracted to Talia. I don't think it really makes much of an impact on the series to be honest. On a related note, am I the only one who thinks the DVDs aren't all they're cracked up to be? The widescreen seems to have been accomplished by chopping off the top and bottom of the full screen picture! And as for the quality, it's one of the poorest picture transfers I've seen. I haven't noticed really. My Dad seemed impressed with the picture quality and he's really picky about these things. I love the cast commentaries though, even though it basically involves Bruce Boxleitner trying to say something useful amongst everyone else's hi-jinks. I liked Crusade, and from what I've heard about TNT's interference, it's amazing they managed to do even the small numbers of episodes it had. "Visitors from Down the Street" was funny and very clever (even though I don't like that certain other sci-fi show). I think Crusade just needed some time to pick up. Supposedly the next episode to be made was a Bester episode- and Walter Koening has said it was the best Bester script he'd ever read! I think the script has been leaked onto the net. But I would do just about anything to see that episode made!!!
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David A
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« Reply #28 on: 04-17-2004 17:29 »
« Last Edit on: 04-17-2004 17:29 »
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: Notice that I put lesbians "or in a homosexual relationship;" I also remember their previous heterosexual relationships. "Lesbians" just sounds neater. Well, you can call them whatever you like, I suppose. Personally, I just call them "Susan" and "Talia". I heard that if Claudia Christian had stayed for the fifth season, she as well as Lyta would have been involved with Byron. Bleah. I heard that if she had stayed, she instead of Lyta would have been involved with Byron. I'm not sure how Lyta would have fit into the Byron storyline if that were the case though. Originally posted by Lurrr: Most of the fans point to 'Ceremonies of Light and Darkness' as proof that Ivanova was sexually attracted to Talia. I don't think it really makes much of an impact on the series to be honest. It wasn't supposed to make an impact. It was meant to be a non-issue.
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Action Jacktion
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Okay, maybe I just put labels on people, but I have the answers to your questions:
The romance would have been between Ivanova and Byron, but Lyta basically would have loved him from afar (don't ask me what women see in him), though she wouldn't have done anything about it. And besides that, her role in the season (with her becoming the new telepath leader and so forth) would have been pretty much the same. So it looks like Zack probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere with her even if the story was different, and if he did she still would have left at the end. But a few times in season 5 we do see that he is still interested in her.
As for Lyta not appearing in the last episode, she as well as Lennier are supposed to die in the Telepath War. I always figured she would "transcend" like Ironheart, but it seems she just dies. And I don't know what Lennier was doing there. JMS says he's actually planned out the deaths of other characters, and has hinted about Garibaldi, Delenn, and Franklin.
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David A
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: Okay, maybe I just put labels on people, but I have the answers to your questions:
The romance would have been between Ivanova and Byron, but Lyta basically would have loved him from afar (don't ask me what women see in him), He has long hair, recites poetry, and mopes about how crummy his life is. Chicks dig that stuff. though she wouldn't have done anything about it. And besides that, her role in the season (with her becoming the new telepath leader and so forth) would have been pretty much the same. So then, the only real difference would have been that Ivanova would have had yet another short-lived romance that ended in tragedy? Lovely. So it looks like Zack probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere with her even if the story was different, and if he did she still would have left at the end. But a few times in season 5 we do see that he is still interested in her. Yeah, Zack was interested in Lyta, but she never felt the same way about him. As for Lyta not appearing in the last episode, she as well as Lennier are supposed to die in the Telepath War. I knew that. I wasn't sure if that had already been decided back at the end of season 4, but knowing JMS, I wouldn't be surprised. It's interesting though, that her name wasn't mentioned when they toasted absent friends. Then again, no one who was present was very close to Lyta. Maybe if Zack had been there, he would have mentioned her. I always figured she would "transcend" like Ironheart, but it seems she just dies. Yeah, kind of a pointless end for Lyta, really. She doesn't even outlive Bester. And I don't know what Lennier was doing there. Trying to redeem himself, after betraying the Anla-Shok. I'm not really sure what telepaths have to do with that, though. JMS says he's actually planned out the deaths of other characters, and has hinted about Garibaldi, Delenn, and Franklin. Well, we know that Delenn lives for a hundred years after the founding of the Interstellar Alliance, at least.
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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Their deaths were mentioned in the Crusade "bible" and Lyta's death was also mentioned in one of the original novels, I think. I don't believe JMS ever intended for the Telepath War to happen during the show.
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