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M Jackson
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« Reply #40 on: 07-15-2003 19:15 »

Barney, what's your point? I'm not saying that Michael is an average everyday guy, how could he be with the life he's had? But what's important is that through it all he's caring, generous, slightyly naive, but horribly mis-understood. Sure he's 'different' but in the best possible way! These quotes are from the link you provided.

"In the end MJ came across a man that had a lot of love for kids and he trying to make for a lost childhood, given that MJ has alot of money it is only logical that many of us would do exactly the same? Really the world should question itself - is what MJ is doing really that wrong? 
Nasser, England


The interview changed my whole perspective of Michael Jackson. The tabloids mould him into what can sell a paper, not the gifted man that made one of the biggest impacts on music today. He is brave to have let himself open to the public like he has. I was astonished to see the tabloids this morning still twisting and spinning his words and way of life. I turned off the television off last night feeling relieved that there are people out there that use their status to help others. Why not compliment him on his music and campaigns, why always condem him about things that have nothing to do with anyone but himself and his family?
Claire, England

I thought it was an appallingly conducted series of interviews. From the outset, Bashir's patronising, overtly disapproving tone had me squirming with embarrassment. His demeanour, the constant frowning expressions, the sly "get that!" camera switches - it was all very leading, and felt designed to force-confess some salacious titbit from the interviewee. Even the way that the questions were structured, such that the most probing questions were left until last (as if - were they to push to hard - it would be ok because they'd covered the bulk of material earlier on, and it wouldn't matter if they lost access to Jackson); things had obviously been scripted very carefully to order events so that they could build up to some sort of ratings grabbing climax, but ultimately it came across as a betrayal of trust. Rather I have much more sympathy for the man having now heard the stories of his upbringing and difficult early adult life.
George, UK

 I believe that Michael Jackson is basically a nice but very naive guy
 


Andrew Rawlinson, UK

I thought that this was an extraordinary piece of TV and did create a lot of sympathy and insight into Michael's life. A lot of people are saying the kids in the bedroom incidents are shocking, the problem is that now my family and I understand he is genuinely just very kind and generous with children and trying to recreate his childhood that was lost. It was truly impressive and compelling TV.
Joseph Dougal, Scotland

I changed my opinion of him after viewing this interview, prior to this I thought he was seriously disturbed in a sick way now I see a man desperately chasing his childhood - and although I find his fascination with children strange I believed him when he said it was innocent.
G Lamb, UK

I believe that Michael Jackson is basically a nice but very naive guy. And I truly think that most of the reasons behind his eccentricities stem from the way he was treated by his father. He is now trying to create the childhood that he never had when he was younger.

MJ was very brave to leave himself open to speculation. I have more admiration for him than I ever did before. He is a child in a child's world deep down.. He is NOT a pervert, he is lonely and I wish the press would leave him alone. Well done Michael for being so brave.
Geri, Hampshire, UK


Obviously this man is a genius, and like all artists is a bit strange, however I felt the ITV reporter was rubbish, he asked the wrong questions and was generally rude.
Adam, England

The biggest piece of biased reporting I have ever seen. I hope Michael Jackson sues for innuendo.
Paul, UK

 I think he is a child at heart, and an interest in children from a man of his age isn't healthy, but when put into context it almost becomes understandable
 


Mike, UK
 
Lurrr

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« Reply #41 on: 07-15-2003 19:54 »

While I would be the first to say don't believe everything you read, that picture of Michael Jackson kind of sums everything up at once.

I don't think he's really a bad person at heart, but in his state he's dangerous. No matter how much love you have for a child, no-one in their right mind dangles it out of a balcony window! Say whatever you like about 'unhappy childhood' or 'the effects of fame' but that does not justify his actions, only explains them. If he really is that troubled then should he be responsible for his kids well-being? If it were your kids involved, would you feel the same way? If having an 'unhappy childhood' makes everything okay we could let out half the psychos we've locked up already.
M Jackson
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« Reply #42 on: 07-15-2003 20:43 »

Alright, alright, we're not all going to agree on everything. You could argue about Michael Jackson for all eternity and still not get a definitve answer. I've made my views clear (he's a complex, slightly niave, tortured genius who loves the world deeply and genuinely) and so have others. Just remember, he's done nothing to you personally, and you don't know him for real! You know Michael Jackson as an image in the tabloids! But I think that no matter what you think of him the word 'scumbag' is not a accurate, fair, or justified discription!
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #43 on: 07-15-2003 20:50 »

Are you Michael Jackson? Is that what the M Jackson means?
M Jackson
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« Reply #44 on: 07-16-2003 10:25 »

Yes, you've found out my secret!

No, i'm not Michael jackson! Although I am a big fan, sure I realise that not everyone likes him, but I just think people are too quick to manipulate his every move in the papers and turn it into something bad!
"The bigger the star, the bigger the target".
Stuart

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« Reply #45 on: 07-16-2003 11:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Impossible:
- Michael Barrymore and the swimming pool incident.
- George Michael and that 'public loo in LA' thingy.

Barrymore didn't kill anyone, but got badly treated by certain media (as far as I remember, papers like The Sun were a bit homophobic, and even nastier than normal in this case). George Michael ... well, he was able to laugh it off in the end.

The real scumbags are the ones who we never hear of again, like Gary Glitter - he's almost completely been censored from history; for example he's never on Radio 2 or TOTP2* anymore, whereas he would have been played before his 1997 conviction. I'm not saying this is wrong, but it's strange that this can happen.

Do you think the same thing could have happened to Michael Jackson if he'd been found guilty? It seems impossible, since he's such a huge name (much bigger, and better, than Glitter was), but if they stopped playing him or putting him in any 'Top 10/100 of music' lists, and selling his albums was discouraged, it might have happened.

* TOTP = 'Top Of The Pops' as opposed to 'Page'
BarneyBurnham

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« Reply #46 on: 07-16-2003 12:09 »

We will never know, seen as though he settled out of court.
M Jackson
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« Reply #47 on: 07-16-2003 15:08 »

Strangley enough Stuart, in recent years Jacksons record sales have actually gone up during or around the time of bad puplicity events! After Martin (scumbag) Bashirs documentry, all of his album sales went up significantly!  Jackson currently has 3 albums in he top 100! (Thriller, Off the Wall, & Invincible, Some of which are over 20 years old!

"Just because you read it in a magazine of see it on a TV screen, don't make it actual, factual, your so damn disrespectable"

"Your cameras can't control the minds of those who know, that you'll even sell your soul just to get your story told"
Archie2K

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« Reply #48 on: 07-16-2003 16:22 »

Yes agreed with everything.

Also  laff  laff @ Spice Weasel
BarneyBurnham

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« Reply #49 on: 07-16-2003 17:37 »

 
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Originally posted by M Jackson:
After Martin (scumbag) Bashirs documentry...
You obviously don't practice what you preach.

You say we shouldn't judge Wacko Jacko from what we see on TV/read in the papers but you call Martin Bashir, a respected journalist, a scumbag.

What's your basis for this?  One TV interview that didn't portray Jackson in a way you felt he should be portrayed?
Gocad

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« Reply #50 on: 07-16-2003 17:46 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2003 17:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
but heres my all time favorite.


One reason why Nick Nolte looked so strange was that he was filming "The HULK!" at this time, and his "wild" appearance was actually part of his role. At least that is what he claimed.
But they should have booked him for just wearing this hideous shirt!     puke
Hulkbuster

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« Reply #51 on: 07-16-2003 18:17 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2003 18:17 »

The only celebrity magazine I would buy would be celebrity autopsy.

Would you be able to penetrate M Jacksons skintanium armour with a scalpel?

Also I think M.J. has a second identity as the superhero PLASTICMAN! Note the resemblance...


M Jackson
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« Reply #52 on: 07-16-2003 19:25 »


 
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You obviously don't practice what you preach....

OK you're right I shouldn't have said that.

"But my point remains valid"
Britz

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« Reply #53 on: 07-16-2003 23:53 »

Hey MJ, I'd have a lot more to say on the topic if I hadn't cleared my bowels of Wacko Jacko with this:  http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/12-000698-1/

Oh I'm gonna love this...
Lurrr

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« Reply #54 on: 07-17-2003 09:01 »

It's ironic how so many celebrities milk the media to death then have a sudden change of heart when it turns on them. Fame is fickle and the media always builds someone up only to tear them down in the end (I'm just waiting to see what they're going to do to the Beckhams).

Jacksons the same though. He wouldn't have been half as successful if it weren't for the media, even he accepts that. But what celebrities never seem to grasp is that the one thing people love more than a hero is to see a hero kicked down. This is why those who have done well in their careers are those who keep out of the limelight. Jacksons manipulated his image just as much as the media has, so why is he right and they wrong? The only way to stop the media pestering you is to stay away from it. That's the price of fame.
M Jackson
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« Reply #55 on: 07-18-2003 10:28 »
« Last Edit on: 07-18-2003 10:28 »

Even if he wanted to stay away from the media (which he clearly does now), he couldn't, they follow him everywhere!
He wants media coverage of his music, like all artists. But they probe into his personal life too. Of course he does puplicity stunts for his career, but not so that they can make it personal. I think all celebrities should have the right to privacy.

And Britz what are you trying to do!? It's sadistic! If you don't like him, ignore him! He's done nothing to you! You don't gain anything from slagging him off! Oh and that's old news, it tuns out he's not bankrupt (far from it)! I realise that we both have differing strong opinions and neither of us will change our minds, but just realise that there are millions and millions of people out there who enjoy his music a great deal! Stop trying to spoil it for everyone else!

From your link:
Anarchist: "I don't see why people continue to rag on the poor guy. I'm not a big fan of his music, and I agree that he's a bit skewed in the head, but with the kind of life he had, that's not a big surprise. What did he do to make you hate him? Do you just not like his face?
If you don't like the guy, leave him the hell alone and don't talk about him."

Archie2K: "I'm with Anarchist actually. I like his music and frankly feel sorry for him. If the Bashir documentary told me anything it is that whilst Jackson is clearly a screwed up person, he has had an awful life that no-one could ever lead a regular adulthood from. He seems to do everything out of love, but is so out of touch with the world around that he comes off wierd.
The sleeping with children thing is scary and I'm not denying that. But ignoring his recent antics and just looking at the music, he is one of the best pop artists of recent times."

Britz you are obviously drawn to Michael Jackson in some way, since you cared enough to open a thread. With most celebrities if we don't like them we just ignore them. Even people that hate Michael still talk about him! That's his power, he's so unique that he just can't be ignored!


Britz

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« Reply #56 on: 07-19-2003 06:54 »

Heheh, one, I'll talk abotu whatever I damn well please and maybe if the media didn't cram things like "The latest fucked thing Wacko Jacko has done to his kids" or Hollywood five minute marriage down our throats daily I could ignore them but they are from sources both positive and negative, if the fact I'm only one bitching voice among many doesn't stop me then why should your theory of "if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything"?

Now I'd like to point out he's got talent music wise, he ain't one of my favourites but can certainly hold a high note with the best of them, but the man is a freak, I don't debate that to long in the lime light resulted in it but he was the one that said "Bleach my skin, lop off my nose and you little child, come hither" The man belongs in a sideshow singing for spare change, never am I one to speak out against uniqueness but it can go from several different directions and Jacko's has been going down, down into the bowels of hell for a long time now and given that he's not going bankrupt (I nearly cried when I heard that first) will continue for a while yet.

Clearly M J you got yourself some pretty selective perception on you, so ignore the baby dangling and the scarves around his kids head that somehow protect them from kidnappers, and you clap your hands over your ears when you hear the term "radical reconstructive surgery" you keep on talking bout him however that little shrine in your basement shows him, and I'll keep on talking bout whatever the Sam Hill I want, when I want, however the fuck I want, deal?
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