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PEE Poll: Worst Character change of The Simpsons
Homer and his extreme stupidity   -18 (64.3%)
Ralph's stupidity   -2 (7.1%)
Lisa's exreme political correctness   -6 (21.4%)
Skinner being even more patheic   -0 (0%)
Maggie's obsession with guns.   -2 (7.1%)
Total Voters: 28

Nurdbot

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« on: 06-25-2003 01:37 »

Over the years, our favourite yellow skinned characters have sold they're souls to act 'more funny/pathetic'. Some of these changes are quite annoying or have extremely changed the concept of what the character used to be like.
Ralph used to be a Simple Minded Child, Homer a slightly lower than Normal American Father and Lisa just a smart kid.

Now George Bush is smarter than Ralph, Homer is a REAL hazard working for The Plant and Lisa is really annoyingly PC.


evan

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« Reply #1 on: 06-25-2003 01:46 »

Homer and his extreme stupidity. Whereas he was once likeable in a well-meaning way, now he's just plain idiotic and a jackass. His antics are labored and tired.
Tweek

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« Reply #2 on: 06-25-2003 04:12 »

Homer's stupidity is just not funny any more.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #3 on: 06-25-2003 05:53 »

I can only choose one?  frown

The Simpsons is suffering from the same affliction that a lot of long running comedies have.  As the writers run out of ideas, the characters become exaggerated characatures of their former selves for the sake of cheap laughs.
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« Reply #4 on: 06-25-2003 06:15 »

*cough*Friends*cough*.

Homer used to have a heart. He used to put his family above everything else. But as the years have gone by he's become more selfish and reckless.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #5 on: 06-25-2003 06:20 »

Actually I was thinking of Cheers, but Friends is just as good an example.

And yeah, your comment about Homer mirrors what I said a while back: the show's still funny, but a lot of the emotion's leeched out of it.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #6 on: 06-25-2003 08:10 »

Ralph was once a simple eight year old kid, he was funny as hell back then because of his naive questions and imagination.

Now he acts like he has a Bush Chromozone.
SamuelXDiamond

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« Reply #7 on: 06-25-2003 08:19 »

Had to go with the first option. As each new episode of "Homer's Wacky Adventures" is produced, the Simpsons degrades itself that much further.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #8 on: 06-25-2003 16:43 »

That Reality TV episode was not very funny.
M Jackson
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« Reply #9 on: 06-25-2003 17:17 »

Recently Moe has become a bit too, well unlike he used to be. It's not just his voice, which is getting deeper and deeper, but I don't know how to explain it, he's just not the Moe he used to be!
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« Reply #10 on: 06-25-2003 17:19 »

I wish I could vote for the lot, but I think the worst is Homers stupidity. It's just getting so boring, annoying, tiresome, and as far as anything could possibly be from funny.
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« Reply #11 on: 06-25-2003 21:09 »

I'd have to say Jerkass Homer, closely followed by Increasingly Shrill P.C-nik Lisa and one you didn't mention, Flanders going from mere goody-goody to scary bigoted super-Christian.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #12 on: 06-26-2003 01:46 »

I considered that, because Flanders is slightly starting to act Anti-Semestic.

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« Reply #13 on: 06-26-2003 02:04 »

I'll go with the Lisa vote, since she was shockingly un-voted-for.
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« Reply #14 on: 06-26-2003 08:21 »

i vote lisa!

first she was smart and nice and now she's lame and stupid! and if she's so PC then why is she always up in people's faces about how much they suck all the time. and that stupid tree episode. ugh
Nurdbot

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« Reply #15 on: 06-26-2003 08:23 »

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I agree. I wish she was in that dammed tree sometimes.

You'd think you'd learn after destroying humanity twice in the Haloween Special's, would you.
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« Reply #16 on: 06-26-2003 08:25 »

I'll go with Lisa too. Her Don't-do-as-I-do-do-as-I-say attitude is annoying and shes such a bloody hypocrite. I hate the way she always tries to change things that no normal person could change. Shouldn't 8 years olds be playing with fire in the more literal sense?
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« Reply #17 on: 06-26-2003 10:13 »

Also questioning The character with Eric Idle's voice.

I so wanted to smack her and tell her to stand in the corner for disrespect.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #18 on: 06-28-2003 01:48 »

All good choices, but I think I'll vote for Ralph, if only because it's something that a lot of other nerds don't touch upon.

Remember that Valentine's Day episode where Ralph had a crush on Lisa? That episode was so funny, and crazily enough, Ralph never acted like a retard. He was weird, and a little slow and immature for his age(the kind of kid who plays with his action figures for a few months after all the other kids stop), but he had a good heart.

There's something a little disturbing about how they turned him into a kid who is actually mentally disabled, and all the "hey, look at the retard" jokes they do.

Changing Flanders was also a mistake, if you ask me. And is it just me, or have Harry Shearer's voices become blander since, oh, season 10 or so? (whenever they had the voice actor's strike. I remember noticing it right after that)

Skinner and Dr. Hibbert seem to run together. I don't know, maybe it's just me.
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« Reply #19 on: 06-28-2003 06:38 »

PC Lisa - the first time I noticed this was "Bart Star", where Lisa goes crazy trying to make a stand against something for no reason, and seems actively dissapointed when it's actually PC already.
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« Reply #20 on: 06-28-2003 06:54 »

 
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Remember that Valentine's Day episode where Ralph had a crush on Lisa? That episode was so funny, and crazily enough, Ralph never acted like a retard. He was weird, and a little slow and immature for his age(the kind of kid who plays with his action figures for a few months after all the other kids stop), but he had a good heart.

There's something a little disturbing about how they turned him into a kid who is actually mentally disabled, and all the "hey, look at the retard" jokes they do.

Yeah, there's a big difference between the kid who ate glue and the kid who runs around acting like a dog.
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« Reply #21 on: 06-28-2003 07:17 »
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
And is it just me, or have Harry Shearer's voices become blander since, oh, season 10 or so? (whenever they had the voice actor's strike. I remember noticing it right after that)

Now that you mention it, yes - it does feel like the voices have started to run together.

On the subject of voices, Homer's, Marge's and Lisa's voices have all changed, and the first two have become much more annoying (no offense meant to the voice actors, but I'd much rather have Season 3 - 9 voices).
Just Chris

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« Reply #22 on: 06-28-2003 11:24 »

Lisa is no longer about the book smarts anymore. Now she's too smart for her own good and started to become more PC.

The first time this happened was in "Lisa vs. Homer & the 8th Commandment". But I assumed Lisa would be the most likely in the family to be a model Christian. But then she went thru several phases. Let's face it: when you're PC you want to make changes everywhere. That's why Lisa has become too different.
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« Reply #23 on: 06-28-2003 14:01 »

It's a toss-up between Homer's stupidity and Lisa's snobby, PC-ness.  I voted for Homer's stupidity, but Lisa's already pretty bad.  In the earlier seasons, Lisa was just a smart little girl.  In Lisa vs. Homer and the Eigth Commandment, she wanted to get rid of cable just so that she and her family wouldn't go to hell, not because it's PC.  But now, Lisa's turned into a 50 year old trapped in the body of an eight year old.  It gets extremely annoying very quickly.
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« Reply #24 on: 06-28-2003 14:27 »

I haven't watched any of the really recent episodes but the latest ones I've seen were already going down the drain. I lost interest pretty quickly and moved to Futurama.

 
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Recently Moe has become a bit too, well unlike he used to be.

Last time I saw him he was quite annoying. It was funny when he was the grumpy bar owner. Now he's lusting after Marge (why?!?), and turning into a depressed 15 year-old in a dirty old man's body.
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« Reply #25 on: 06-28-2003 16:32 »

And what has happend to Wiggum?

He wasn't THAT Incompetent in the old days.
M Jackson
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« Reply #26 on: 06-28-2003 20:00 »

And now Wiggum Lou and Eddie are the only three policemen in the whole of Springfield. They actually made a joke about it in a very recent episode. It seems that everything is being simplified to a cartoonish, stylised level, to the point where everything is a parody of itself from the old classic episodes. Basically they are cutting out the 'filler' and only leaving the extreme stereotypes. Which is sad because one of The Simpsons original strengths was its incredible attention to detail and accurate reconstruction of reality with a Greoning twist.
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« Reply #27 on: 06-28-2003 20:20 »

I have to agree with the Homer's extreme stupidity.  He always used to be a nice guy who was a little slow, but nowadays, it seems like he's just got really stupid, and there seems to be no real reason for it, except for him to be, well, stupid.  I guess that the writers are running out of ideas, and are just trying to keep the show going for a little while longer.
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« Reply #28 on: 06-28-2003 21:13 »

Homer evolved from a lovable oaf in seasons to a dumb jerk, but hey, if you wanna gain more "laughs", you have to dumb down your characters.
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« Reply #29 on: 06-29-2003 00:05 »

Homer...can a character have fewer redeeming values?
Nurdbot

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« Reply #30 on: 06-29-2003 01:39 »

[Homer]Blame it on the corpse.[/Homer]

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« Reply #31 on: 06-29-2003 01:43 »

Lisa's extreme political correctness is getting on my nerves.
BTW i like the newer Homer in the 1st few seasons Homer was stupid but an arsehole in the later seasons 6 onwards he has become nicer but far more stupid.
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« Reply #32 on: 06-29-2003 03:07 »

Doesn't Groening still have control over the Simpsons? I mean, all he has to do is pull out, and Fox is screwed, right?

Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max.
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Nurdbot

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« Reply #33 on: 06-29-2003 03:14 »

Maybe he should. I'd like to see the President at the Board meeting.

Or we all could sail PEEL they're and attack the FOX building, like in The Meaning of Life.
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« Reply #34 on: 06-29-2003 10:15 »

 
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Homer...can a character have fewer redeeming values?

Yes. Even in his curent extremely stupid state Homer Simpson is still a great character full of redeeming features. Although he's very stupid, an suffers from unpredictable anger and mood swings, he still loves his family, and deep down even though he's too stupid to realise it he just wants to do the right thing.
There is currently a poll being produced where you have to vote for the greatest American of all time (it's based on the BBC's recent 100 greatest Britons poll) and Homer Simpson is currently leading by miles! Despite the notable handycap of not being real!

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« Reply #35 on: 06-29-2003 10:44 »

The later episodes also suffer from extremely poor editing. You notice that the scene changes very abruptly after a punchline, which kind of ruins the flow.

The overreliance on shock ("Oh no! Marge said "piss"!) humour and the fourth wall (which, by now, is pretty much rubble) is also disenchanting.
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« Reply #36 on: 06-29-2003 14:44 »

 
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Originally posted by M Jackson:
 Yes. Even in his curent extremely stupid state Homer Simpson is still a great character full of redeeming features. Although he's very stupid, an suffers from unpredictable anger and mood swings, he still loves his family, and deep down even though he's too stupid to realise it he just wants to do the right thing.
There is currently a poll being produced where you have to vote for the greatest American of all time (it's based on the BBC's recent 100 greatest Britons poll) and Homer Simpson is currently leading by miles! Despite the notable handycap of not being real!


I totally disagree.  Any family values Homer has are added as an afterthought in the more recent seasons.  He used to be respectable in the sense that his bumbling misadventures were driven by an underlying higher motive, now his escapades are the only justification for having escapades at all.
M Jackson
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« Reply #37 on: 06-29-2003 15:23 »

Well, lets just agree to disagree.


"I don't agree to that"
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