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SwanMan3000

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« on: 06-20-2003 13:35 »

The swanman challenge...Using your combined knowledge of Futurama, the simpsons and other successful shows,  wat is needed to make the worlds best cartoon show?
What kind of characters are needed? what kind of shows work? and who would you have working on it?
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #1 on: 06-20-2003 13:38 »

All aspects of a show: comedy, romance, tragedy, drama, adventure, action, etc.  Characters ahve to be emotional, expressive, and have their own distinct personalities.  In case you haven't realized, Futurama is strong in every single one of those mentioned.
Anarchist

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« Reply #2 on: 06-20-2003 13:40 »

I have a feeling that we'll find out when Matt Groening gives birth to his third child. (Hey, you've got to be optimistic about SOME things.)
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #3 on: 06-20-2003 13:42 »

well i obviously do realise as i am in a thread for Futurama. But there is no getting round it Fox cant be blamed for everything. Some people did just plain not like it and it didnt appeal to everyone.
Anarchist

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« Reply #4 on: 06-20-2003 13:43 »

Yes, but 90% of the world's population consists of total idiots who are completely devoid of any trace of intelligence - and that's an optimistic estimate.
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #5 on: 06-20-2003 13:46 »

to true one of these idiots being the president of the most powerful country in the world, but i know absolutly loads of people that like the simpson, possibly everyone i kno but i kno about 6 people who are fans of Futurama. sad but true
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #6 on: 06-20-2003 13:47 »

Some people have a different sense of humor.  Remember that Futurama was intended for a certain age group.  Plus the fact that nowadays people don't give many things a chance.
Anarchist

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« Reply #7 on: 06-20-2003 13:54 »

True about The Simpsons. Futurama requires people to think, to analyze what they see, and to take everything for more than its face value. Some people are simply incapable of coherent thought, others are just too damn lazy. There's a reason they call it the "Idiot Box". *sigh*... Futurama was simply too good for TV.
Tweek

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« Reply #8 on: 06-20-2003 14:00 »

Since this isn't strictly about Futurama, I'm moving it to the TV section.

asianlightning

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« Reply #9 on: 06-20-2003 14:07 »

Cartoons vary too much to be able to label one as "the best..." in my opinion.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #10 on: 06-20-2003 14:09 »

Yes, it was too good for tv.  If people watched it, they'd realize it is much more interesting than the Simpsons and funnire at times as well.  If only Fox gave it a chance...
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« Reply #11 on: 06-20-2003 15:17 »

Of course it's more interesting, it's in the future!!
Past and Present is usually boring becuase everybody knows what happened or should happen.

I say you'd need all the reat cartoon creators, directors and animators, alive and dead to make a perfect cartoon.
Akito01

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« Reply #12 on: 06-20-2003 16:03 »

Its actually quite an interesting question.
What is it that makes a cartoon show memorable and successful?

Matt has already expressed his opinion on what makes a great character design, and that does seem to hold true.  There would be no mistaking Charlie Brown or Snoopy when seen in silhouette. 

In terms of the elements of the show, it seems that the most remembered cartoons are ones which feature flawed main characters.  There is a great deal of lack of wit contained in characters like Charlie Brown, Stimpy and of course Fry; but we love them anyway, because they are also earnest and true to themselves.

Humour is perhaps the hardest element to quantify, but the most necessary.  Unlike anime, North American animation is still largely grounded in the idea of the animated cartoon -which is to say, an extension of the classic 4 panel jokes one gets in the daily papers.

The actual quality of the animation itself seems to be irrelevant.  South Park, Home Movies and Aqua Teen Hunger Force all prove pretty well that one can do a lot with a little.  At the same time, I do despair a little at the state of animation on this side of the Pacific that there is no longer a great deal of care or concern about the state of the art.

In the beginning the Universe was created.  This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
comiccollector5

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« Reply #13 on: 06-20-2003 18:17 »

 be exactly like futurama and family guy, funny as hell and action packed, and thinkable
Xmpel

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« Reply #14 on: 06-21-2003 02:35 »

 
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Originally posted by SwanMan3000:
well i obviously do realise as i am in a thread for Futurama. But there is no getting round it Fox cant be blamed for everything. Some people did just plain not like it and it didnt appeal to everyone.

The ones who didn't like the show are the dumb ones who dosen't get it. I know i'm only fourteen and that i just insulted 98% of the population in the countries who are lucky enough to see Futurama on their tv but i will stand by this statement.

I apologise for that i proboably insulted you'r parents right now :P


Bong - The only thing wasted is you.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #15 on: 06-21-2003 08:54 »

Yes, that's true.  I was watching a ep with my dad and sis yesterday and they just don't see why Futurama is such a great show.  You have to see most of the impotant eps to undestand.  But with Fox, I think that's part, if not all, of the problem.  Put it on after the Simpsons, dammit!  If people watch the Simpsons and see a promo of it, maybe they'll say, "hey, Matt Groening made that.  It could be good".  Fox could get more money!  But no, they want to waste it in reality TV.
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« Reply #16 on: 06-21-2003 09:15 »

There are very few people that have actually watched Futurama and not liked it. On the other hand because of Fox there are too many people that have just never had the chance to watch it.
Nearly all of my family and friends watch and like Futurama (thanks to me mostly) and like me most of them think it's actualy better than The Simpsons. Hell, my little sister even comes into my room to borrow the comics or DVDs.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #17 on: 06-21-2003 09:19 »

It can teach you human deciency (sp?) unlike The Simpsons.  There are many things you can learn out of it.
Sil

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« Reply #18 on: 06-21-2003 16:37 »

Same here - my little sis took four of her friends into my tiny little room to watch Futurama DVDs in there.  She doesn't obsess about it in quite the same way I do (ie she doesn't) but she enjoys it and watches it frequently. And I would argue that I've been enjoying some of the Simpsons stuff more since discovering Futurama.  And Hil, you are totally right about the human decency thing.  I find it hard to believe that people can learn practically anything beneficial from Homer Simpson.

I rest my case  smile
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #19 on: 06-21-2003 16:54 »

Yes, like in the case of the romance, it says you can love any one no matter what they look like. 
Sil

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« Reply #20 on: 06-21-2003 16:58 »

Exactly.  It's the only TV show that ever made me cry, also - and it's a cartoon!
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #21 on: 06-21-2003 17:01 »
« Last Edit on: 06-21-2003 17:01 »

SAME HERE!!!!

It makes me cry tears of happiness and tears of saddness at the same time!  Let's see another show do that!
Sil

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« Reply #22 on: 06-21-2003 17:06 »

Thank you!! Jurassic Bark...! *sob*
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #23 on: 06-21-2003 17:17 »

SAME HERE! It's th eonly show to make me cry tears of happiness and tears of saddness at the same time!
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #24 on: 06-21-2003 17:19 »

GROUP HUG!!
*feels up the n00bs*

...

Damn.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #25 on: 06-21-2003 17:22 »

*Crushed* I- can't- breathe!
M Jackson
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« Reply #26 on: 06-21-2003 18:48 »

The sad thing is that other TV shows probably won't even atempt to compete with the high standards that Futurama has set because networks like Fox don't encourage it. Animated Sit coms in the future will probably be quite happy to play it safe and be pale imitations of The Simpsons.
Matt Greoning should be proud that although Futurama wasn't quite as big a commercial/financial hit as The Simpsons, it turned animated sit coms into an art form. The critical aclaim Futurama recieved will help it to stand the test of time.
Sil

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« Reply #27 on: 06-22-2003 08:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2003 08:11 »

Precisely.  I think that Matt Groening will probably always try to be groundbreaking and not follow the rules, even if it means a shortlived but amazing series.  I'm waiting to see what happens next.   smile

And Fazeshift - why damn?   flirt
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #28 on: 06-22-2003 13:07 »

Gave away my intentions before I reached the goodies.  wink
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