Futurama   Planet Express Employee Lounge
The Futurama Message Board

Design and Support by Can't get enough Futurama
Help Search Futurama chat Login Register

PEEL - The Futurama Message Board    It's got a TV!    HEAVY SPOILER WARNING: This is an in-depth discussion of The Matrix Reloaded « previous next »
Author Topic: HEAVY SPOILER WARNING: This is an in-depth discussion of The Matrix Reloaded  (Read 6490 times)
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 Print
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #80 on: 05-29-2003 04:52 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2003 04:52 »

Just a thought ... could it be that both the Matrix and Zion are part of another program? I mean how else could the Architect have known that Trinity would enter the Matrix and probably be killed by the Agent?

...there is no spoon

*confusing TOTP Dance*
Grim

Professor
*
« Reply #81 on: 05-29-2003 05:14 »

The end of the game doesnt completely clarify whether it is a matrix within a matrix, but u get the impression that the real world, is and always had been the real world...
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #82 on: 05-29-2003 08:12 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Grim:
The end of the game doesnt completely clarify whether it is a matrix within a matrix, but u get the impression that the real world, is and always had been the real world...

So how much merchandise must someone buy in order to really understand the film then?
 no no

But my question focused on something else, it seemed to me that the Architect knew from the beginning that Trinity would be at the plant, but how could he know that, since this was triggered by events "outside" the Matrix?
Grim

Professor
*
« Reply #83 on: 05-29-2003 08:20 »

I would say something similar has happened everytime, he didnt know until it was about to happen, prehaps he can extrapolate the results, prehaps Neo was just going VERY fast?

wont know all out til November
The Names Nick

Professor
*
« Reply #84 on: 05-29-2003 10:15 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2003 10:15 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Gocad:
 So how much merchandise must someone buy in order to really understand the film then?
   no no

But my question focused on something else, it seemed to me that the Architect knew from the beginning that Trinity would be at the plant, but how could he know that, since this was triggered by events "outside" the Matrix?

Well I think that the Architect knows whats going on inside the Matrix at all times. I think you seem to be missing the fact Trinity was already in that plant when Neo first started talking to the Architect.

Id also like to add the Architect wasnt wrong when he siad Trinity would die as she was clinicly dead until Neo broke the rules that govern how things work in the Matrix just as he did in the first movie by coming back to life even after having been killed.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #85 on: 05-29-2003 16:56 »

Actually I have begun to think that both Zion and the Matrix are part of another program, also there is something that Agent Smith said:

"Now here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson, because of you I am no longer an Agent of the system. Because of you I am changed, unplugged. A new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free."

It is just that Smith seems to know where Neo will be and also, that Seraph was eager to get the Oracle away from the place where she met Neo.

So maybe all these "rogue" programs might be under control be someone above the Matrix...
Strat

Bending Unit
***
« Reply #86 on: 05-29-2003 17:28 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Gocad:

So maybe all these "rogue" programs might be under control be someone above the Matrix...

Yes, the Wachowski Brothers and their mighty plot devices!  The Plot Device Has You.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #87 on: 05-29-2003 17:35 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Strat:
 Yes, the Wachowski Brothers and their mighty plot devices!  The Plot Device Has You.

NOOOOooooooooo .... Me, too!
ZombieJesus

Lost Belgian
DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #88 on: 05-29-2003 18:11 »

I figured it all out. It ends up with Neo waking up screaming. It was all just a dream.
...
That would make a crappy ending.
Speli

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #89 on: 05-29-2003 21:41 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 00:00 »

ZJ, if you tweak that a little bit, it could be the best ending ever:

It ends up with Neo waking up screaming. But after a couple of seconds, he looks around the room, then to the left side of the bed, and sees Agent Smith sleeping with him. The screen turns black and you can hear Neo screaming. Roll credits.
SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
*
« Reply #90 on: 05-30-2003 00:12 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 00:12 »

The cake scene had you confused? Well, then you better listen closely. It wasn't that confusing at all...this is one of those things like Farscape or "Adaption,", or any anime series, where you have to pay close attention to everything that happens or you'll end up totally lost...

EDIT: Oh, and ZJ: He wakes up screaming, in the same bed he was in when he "awoke" from his interrogation in the first movie...he calms down, then there's a long silence...then the phone rings. Then, jotingly, the credits roll.

Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max.
[This message has been edited by Administrator [-mArc-]
mikey

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #91 on: 05-30-2003 03:17 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 03:17 »

Im a bit confused, the architech gave neo a choice at the end, basically zion or trinity. Did Neo choose trinity or did he defy the rules of the matrix and choose both. And how did neo stop those sentinels at the end?

@ SlaytanicMaggot, did you mean adaptation?
that ending was just messed up, great movie though
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #92 on: 05-30-2003 05:34 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 05:34 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Speli:
It ends up with Neo waking up screaming. But after a couple of seconds, he looks around the room, then to the left side of them bed, and sees Agent Smith sleeping with him...

HOL!

I always knew that there was a special connection bewteen them, but that special...   laff
FishyJoe

Honorary German
Urban Legend
***
« Reply #93 on: 05-30-2003 08:40 »

I don't get why people are confused about the cake thing...they zoomed in right on her crotch. What do you think was happening?
mikey

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #94 on: 05-30-2003 09:04 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 09:04 »

chafing?
Loki

Professor
*
« Reply #95 on: 05-30-2003 09:31 »

Very dull movie. Sorry, people, but i prefer films which have a bit of sense within.
ZombieJesus

Lost Belgian
DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #96 on: 05-30-2003 13:21 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by FishyJoe:
I don't get why people are confused about the cake thing...they zoomed in right on her crotch. What do you think was happening?

It looked as if I was the only one in the theatre that got it.
Strat

Bending Unit
***
« Reply #97 on: 05-30-2003 13:27 »

sense of what within?
Impossible

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #98 on: 05-30-2003 14:16 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 14:16 »

The bit at the end where Neo stopped the machines, like he would in the matrix, really confused me....
Loki

Professor
*
« Reply #99 on: 05-30-2003 22:17 »

 
Quote
sense of what within?
sense in the meaning of "meaning"  smile
Strat

Bending Unit
***
« Reply #100 on: 05-30-2003 23:09 »

I'm fairly certain the movie has oodle upon oodles of meaning, coming out the wazoo even.

The only problem is that it's wrapped up in a mystery, in an enigma, in a conundrum.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #101 on: 05-31-2003 05:29 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Impossible:
The bit at the end where Neo stopped the machines, like he would in the matrix, really confused me....

Me too, which led me to this idea:

 
Quote
Originally posted by Gocad:
Just a thought ... could it be that both the Matrix and Zion are part of another program?

Or did the Architect deceive Neo, when he said that the door would lead him back to the Matrix?
Loki

Professor
*
« Reply #102 on: 05-31-2003 05:53 »
« Last Edit on: 05-31-2003 05:53 »

 
Quote
I'm fairly certain the movie has oodle upon oodles of meaning, coming out the wazoo even.

The only problem is that it's wrapped up in a mystery, in an enigma, in a conundrum.

Maybe.
The thing that bugs me can be said in one word “guns”. And fighting. And guns. Why all your world rotates around gun’s barrel?
Can’t you made a film with the physiological and philosophical content?
No. “American” means fighting. and guns. and fighting. Even such a good theme (Matrix has some philosophical ideas and some psychology in it, I admit) you poisoned with your gun cult.
Sorry, I’m telling what I think.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #103 on: 05-31-2003 06:09 »

I watched Reloaded the second time yesterday and I have to admit, the film really grows on you. So if you didn't like it the first time, maybe you should see it again. Also, it is good to ignore all the other comments made about the film by others. Then it is indeed a much more pleasant experience.

Now where is my money, Mr. Silver?   tongue
mikey

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #104 on: 05-31-2003 06:11 »
« Last Edit on: 05-31-2003 06:11 »

 Origanally I didnt think it was that good, until i went back and watched the first matrix, i cant wait till november
Grim

Professor
*
« Reply #105 on: 05-31-2003 06:37 »

I saw it for a second time last night, a couple of thing I never picked up on.

The architect says that Neo was created (read: programed) with the love of humanity to make him choose to save humanity, this Neo was different, specific love-
how could the matrix create Neo or his personality?

Also the Mellovingian (sp?) knows about previous The Ones, and seems suprised that Neo has adequet skill.
The Vampires and the twins could easily be agents from previous version of the matrix that have chosen to go exile.

When the Mellovingian says the oracles days are numbered, he means it, the game reveals that he has her deletion code.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #106 on: 05-31-2003 07:11 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Grim:
I saw it for a second time last night, a couple of thing I never picked up on.

The architect says that Neo was created (read: programed) with the love of humanity to make him choose to save humanity, this Neo was different, specific love-
how could the matrix create Neo or his personality?

Also the Mellovingian (sp?) knows about previous The Ones, and seems suprised that Neo has adequet skill.
The Vampires and the twins could easily be agents from previous version of the matrix that have chosen to go exile.

When the Mellovingian says the oracles days are numbered, he means it, the game reveals that he has her deletion code.

Well Neo is the sixth version, so he is upgraded, therefore he is better than the previous ones. Also, remember what Smith said at the begining.

Agent Smith: that went as expected
Agent Smith Clone: yes, everything is just like before.
[they look at each other]
Agent Smith: well, not everything.

copied without regret from the IMDb
.
Strat

Bending Unit
***
« Reply #107 on: 05-31-2003 14:49 »

It's Mirovingian, named for the first ruling family in France.
SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
*
« Reply #108 on: 05-31-2003 19:06 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Loki:
  Maybe.
The thing that bugs me can be said in one word ?guns?. And fighting. And guns. Why all your world rotates around gun?s barrel?
Can?t you made a film with the physiological and philosophical content?
No. ?American? means fighting. and guns. and fighting. Even such a good theme (Matrix has some philosophical ideas and some psychology in it, I admit) you poisoned with your gun cult.
Sorry, I?m telling what I think.

Look, if you had the 2nd admendment in your Constitustion, and the NRA in europe, or whereever you are, paying off politicans, you wouldn't have a ban on guns. and besides, the "gun culture" ain't just in the USA, sweetie. (THAT IS STRICTLY BEING USED FOR SARCASTIC EFFECT, NOT TO INSULT.) It's everywhere. Hell, I'll bet there's a movie from India where guns are used. And besides, violence is a part of life. violence happens every day, just about everywhere. and really, how would your opinion be on the movie if they had swordfighting instead of gunfighting? Like, say, Lord Of The Rings, which is five times more violent than The Matrix?

Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max.
[This message has been edited by Administrator [-mArc-]
Action Jacktion

Professor
*
« Reply #109 on: 05-31-2003 22:25 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Gocad:
Actually I have begun to think that both Zion and the Matrix are part of another program, also there is something that Agent Smith said:

"Now here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson, because of you I am no longer an Agent of the system. Because of you I am changed, unplugged. A new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free."
That might have been a reference to the fact that Neo thought he was acting on his own but was really just doing what the Architect intended him to do.

 
Quote
Originally posted by mikey:
Im a bit confused, the architech gave neo a choice at the end, basically zion or trinity. Did Neo choose trinity or did he defy the rules of the matrix and choose both. And how did neo stop those sentinels at the end?
He chose Trinity, which apparently doomed everyone in the Matrix and in Zion.  If he had gone the other way, the Matrix would have remained as it is, while Zion would have been destroyed but Neo would have been able to repopulate it.  Apparently all of the other Ones made the second choice, but Neo didn't because he's different.

As for how he stopped the Sentinels, I don't know.  Maybe since he's such an integral part of the system, he can influence it even when he's outside the Matrix.
LAN.gnome

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #110 on: 06-01-2003 01:44 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 ::Beats gnome over the head with a Lord of the Rings box set::


Yo! Yo! No need for hostility; each LOTR installment has a very satifying beginning, middle, and end. This would be becasue the books were written to be that way, and were released that way when published. I own that LOTR box set. Complete with Pillars of Argonath bookends.

All I'm saying is, Matrix Reloaded leaves us hanging too much; there's hardly any resolution by the stories end -- little has changed since the movie began. Sure, Neo knows more about the Matrix and Zion is gone, but there weren't that many plot developments in this installment. In my opinion.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #111 on: 06-01-2003 02:50 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
 All I'm saying is, Matrix Reloaded leaves us hanging too much; there's hardly any resolution by the stories end -- little has changed since the movie began. Sure, Neo knows more about the Matrix and Zion is gone, but there weren't that many plot developments in this installment. In my opinion.

I think the end or Reloaded is a good cliffhanger, at least I have seen worse ones.


 
LAN.gnome

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #112 on: 06-01-2003 04:58 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Gocad:
 I think the end or Reloaded is a good cliffhanger, at least I have seen worse ones.


 

I would have to agree that there have been worse ones. That doens't make this one better, but still, the point is valid.

One thing that bugged me...


Just my thoughts. I admit that the movie does grow on you with repeated viewings, I guess I just wish it had been a slam dunk for me the first time.
Aleel

Starship Captain
****
« Reply #113 on: 06-01-2003 05:04 »

I agree with Gocad. I cannot wait to see the next movie (Oh I guess I can, but I'm looking really forward to do so and I'm happy that we will not have to wait as long as we had to wait for this one.) and I liked this one.
The only thing that was kinda ridiculous in my eyes was that Trin died. We had the same stuff in the first movie and we all knew (or I presume we all did) that Trinity could not die in the second movie. And this one short mentioning that Tank died between the two movies disturbed me a little. But let's see... Elrond Smith was cute as always, the twins were pretty nice, I loved seeing that Trin and Neo are still happy (oh well, as happy as you can be after one just came back from death and the other one fainted and is being  unconscious). Next movie has to do some good to our heros, like the Star Wars movies, everything looks dark and sad in the end of the second movie but wait till Neo returns!  wink
mikey

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #114 on: 06-01-2003 06:03 »

Was bane the guy who tried to kill tank in the first matrix? and where was tank? he was an awesome controller, link was pretty good though in all fairness.
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #115 on: 06-01-2003 07:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-01-2003 07:56 »

   
Quote
Originally posted by mikey:
Was bane the guy who tried to kill tank in the first matrix? and where was tank? he was an awesome controller, link was pretty good though in all fairness.

First, Bane wasn't in the first part. Cypher was the one who tried to kill Tank and Dozer.

Second, the reason why Tank wasn't in Reloaded is that Tank is probably dead.
Remember, Tank had suffered some serious injuries from Cypher's attack.

Dozer and Tank had a sister, Zee, said to Link:
"I've lost two brothers to that ship..."

The real reason why Tank isn't in Reloaded is that the actor who played Tank had caused so much trouble, that it was decided not to cast him again for Reloaded and Revolutions.
mikey

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #116 on: 06-01-2003 09:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-01-2003 09:11 »

and bane is just the human version of smith right? well...smith makes him do what he wants him to do
Gocad

Space Pope
****
« Reply #117 on: 06-01-2003 10:55 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by mikey:
and bane is just the human version of smith right? well...smith makes him do what he wants him to do

Not quite. Bane's mind was overwritten by Smith, so it is Smith's mind in Bane's body now. So Bane is gone, all that is left is his body, now inhabited by Smith.

And if Bane would go into the Matrix he would appear as Smith.

Nixorbo

UberMod
DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #118 on: 06-01-2003 21:14 »

Zee and Link?  Ya think the makers played much Legend of Zelda?
SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
*
« Reply #119 on: 06-02-2003 20:08 »

with all the hidden crap in there, I wouldn't be suprised.


Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max.
[This message has been edited by Administrator [-mArc-]
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF | SMF © 2006, Simple Machines | some icons from famfamfam
Legal Notice & Disclaimer: "Futurama" TM and copyright FOX, its related entities and the Curiosity Company. All rights reserved. Any reproduction, duplication or distribution of these materials in any form is expressly prohibited. As a fan site, this Futurama forum, its operators, and any content on the site relating to "Futurama" are not explicitely authorized by Fox or the Curiosity Company.
Page created in 0.182 seconds with 17 queries.