Nixorbo
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot: it was huge shot at religion, basically "God is a lie."
yeah, ok Neo
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Tallywhacker
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TheReturnOfMark: You appear to have "fat-fingered" the keyboard. We would like to know if you are interested in purchasing an Acme Typing Wand. Please mash the keyboard with your fist if you would like more information. Gregorbo: gtuijoplghbcf Gregorbo: that was with my face, by the way TheReturnOfMark: excellent Gregorbo: so, Matrix TheReturnOfMark: yeees TheReturnOfMark: seen it? TheReturnOfMark: OOH. Gregorbo: yes Gregorbo: Bill tells me you didn't TheReturnOfMark: I watched all the way through the credits, so I could watch the Matrix Revolutions trailer Gregorbo: heh Gregorbo: so many credits, so little teaser TheReturnOfMark: and there was a gentleman who worked on the film TheReturnOfMark: whose name was my own, letter for letter. TheReturnOfMark: okay, first up. Rave porn scene = totally useless. Gregorbo: heh TheReturnOfMark: Or rather, about 5 minutes too long TheReturnOfMark: and the sex was not necessary. TheReturnOfMark: anyhow TheReturnOfMark: moving on Gregorbo: agree completely Gregorbo: and Keanu's bare butt was especially not appreciated TheReturnOfMark: I believe the "real world" of Zion and Nebuchadnezzar, etc TheReturnOfMark: is just another lump of Matrix Gregorbo: me too Gregorbo: however, Neo is the first The One to discover this TheReturnOfMark: to occupy that small minority who reject the Matrix of BMWs, etc. TheReturnOfMark: Yes he is TheReturnOfMark: because he chose not to return to the source. TheReturnOfMark: And the reason for his coma and collapse Gregorbo: I'm almost willing to bet that Gregorbo: while in said coma Gregorbo: he's in the real real world TheReturnOfMark: NOPE! Gregorbo: bah TheReturnOfMark: What happens in the Matrix when a person exits it? Their body dematerializes. TheReturnOfMark: I think Gregorbo: it depends on the nature o the departure Gregorbo: for one TheReturnOfMark: You remember in the first movie, they worried about freeing Neo's mind because he was too old? Gregorbo: also, if the matrix and the "real" world are one and the same TheReturnOfMark: That danger has just been realized, his brain has been blown, at least temporarily Gregorbo: then the transition from matrix to "real" world isn't necessarily accurate TheReturnOfMark: eh, we'll see. TheReturnOfMark: This movie also shows us that Neo's mind still hasn't been completely freed. Gregorbo: matrices within matrices TheReturnOfMark: Even in the matrix of BMWs, Disney World, etc TheReturnOfMark: Neo bends the rules but doesn't disregard them. TheReturnOfMark: He flies AROUND the world rather than oh say, straight through it. TheReturnOfMark: Or even better, why not just teleport. Gregorbo: woo! bullet-time ogling! TheReturnOfMark: yes indeed. TheReturnOfMark: Go piggy. Gregorbo: oh, so could you tell that this movie was made by a couple of anime freaks? Gregorbo: cuz I sure could TheReturnOfMark: Well yes. TheReturnOfMark: By the way..... Gregorbo: nice little trigun moment there TheReturnOfMark: I expect that what'll happen is Neo will achieve a zen-moment and return to his corporeal body. Gregorbo: by the way? TheReturnOfMark: without outside help TheReturnOfMark: What Trigun moment? Gregorbo: that would be cool Gregorbo: in the mandragorian or whatever's place TheReturnOfMark: yeah? Gregorbo: just before the big weapons fight TheReturnOfMark: ok TheReturnOfMark: oh Gregorbo: he orders his lackeys to shoot neo TheReturnOfMark: everyone blasting at him with machine guns Gregorbo: and they all fire their automatic weapons, all in a line Gregorbo: and none of them hit TheReturnOfMark: that doesn't REALLY matter though....... Gregorbo: admittedly, for different reasons TheReturnOfMark: and then Neo went and kicked butt TheReturnOfMark: instead of scampering away. Gregorbo: but yeah, the whole line-up of lackeys emptying assault rifle clips at a single target and all missing is highly Trigun TheReturnOfMark: okey Gregorbo: as I see you agree TheReturnOfMark: I didn't realize till my second viewing Gregorbo: heh TheReturnOfMark: that the "mandragorian or whatever" went and had sex with that blonde woman. Gregorbo: sounds about right Gregorbo: orgasm cake TheReturnOfMark: "It wasn't your lips she kissed" Gregorbo: is what I decided that was TheReturnOfMark: combined with "You'll find him in the ladies' room" Gregorbo: combined with her running off to said ladies room TheReturnOfMark: Oh, and more proof that Neo's mind ain't fully freed yet..... Gregorbo: actually Gregorbo: I guess aphrodesiac cake would be more descriptive TheReturnOfMark: He only just discovered how to heal, when he dug into Trinity's bosum. TheReturnOfMark: yes, aphrodesiac cake Gregorbo: true TheReturnOfMark: Else, he would have healed the Keymaker Gregorbo: as opposed to orgasm cake Gregorbo: mmhmm Gregorbo: there were a lot of parts where I wondered if they stole the 3d program from the Final Fantasy movie TheReturnOfMark: really TheReturnOfMark: Actually, tell me something Gregorbo: yep Gregorbo: no TheReturnOfMark: why is it that a bullet to the head will instantly kill an agent Gregorbo: well, the agent's host TheReturnOfMark: but if he gets smashed in the face with a steel bar wielded by The One, he just goes flying through the air and gets back up? TheReturnOfMark: The bar might not be going as fast, but it's got WAY more force. Gregorbo: mmhmm TheReturnOfMark: oh and... Gregorbo: My answer: starts with an "m," ends with an "s," and has "ovie physic" in the middle TheReturnOfMark: the fight with Seraph interested me. TheReturnOfMark: Neo didn't manage to hit him once Gregorbo: the same reason a single stab wound will kill a person, when being hit so hard that they make a crater in a solid rock wall just leaves them slightly dazed for a few seconds Gregorbo: yes he did, just not very hard TheReturnOfMark: more proof that Neo's mind hasn't been fully liberated... there's someone out there who can match him in combat. TheReturnOfMark: Well see, if Seraph is able to roll with the hit so well that it doesn't harm him at all TheReturnOfMark: I'd say the hit doesn't count.It's more like a push or a tap. Gregorbo: yes, neo's mind isn't completely free, we get the point TheReturnOfMark: hooray! TheReturnOfMark: By the way... is it just me or is Carrie-ann Moss' face too bony and angular to be really sexy? Gregorbo: something like that, why?
Nix's name changed to protect him from you bunch of lunatics.
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Melllvar
DOOP Secretary
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Saw Matrix Reloaded this afternoon, and I really enjoyed it. Having read through this thread, I can understand how some people can be disappointed with it, the first ten minutes or so were not great. The freeway sequence, and the 100 Smiths fight scene I thought were really well done. This points me back to how movies which have a high expectations can suffer from an imaginative shortfall, it's like being given a blow-job - it's never as good as you imagine it's going to be.
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Gocad
Space Pope
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IMHO Matrix Reloaded is a typical sequel. Bigger, louder, but not better than the first part.
Just adding more bullet time, speeches, slow motion sequences doesn't make a better film. Also, some of the SFX scenes were somewhat disappointing because you could clearly see, that they were animated. Even Neo was animated during the fight with the Smith clones. However, Agent Smith is actually the only character that really kicks ass in the movie. I loved the interaction between the clones. Smith is becoming a more interesting character than Neo, because he is going through the typical "Human with superpowers" thing.
Agent Smith 1: "Me, Me, Me." Agent Smith 2: "Me too."
Oh, and I pity the impatient viewers, which left after the "to be concluded".
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evan
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Juliet: I though Trinity was going to die. I don't get it what happend in the end Reaching in and reviving her heart by hand = dumb. I could accept the Neo/Trinity relationship up to there, but that scene ruined it for me. BTW, can there be a movie in which the male lead and the female lead do not fall in love? Seriously, it would be a great change of pace.
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Grim
Professor
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AS for not following, I think it has more to do with the fact that the 2 parralel plots dont link too well, ie, Finding "The source and following the Oracle" and the "War on Zion" the run completely differently, which sorta makes the movie appear to not flow.
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Juliet
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Gocad: IMHO Matrix Reloaded is a typical sequel. Bigger, louder, but not better than the first part.
Just adding more bullet time, speeches, slow motion sequences doesn't make a better film. Also, some of the SFX scenes were somewhat disappointing because you could clearly see, that they were animated. Even Neo was animated during the fight with the Smith clones. However, Agent Smith is actually the only character that really kicks ass in the movie. I loved the interaction between the clones. Smith is becoming a more interesting character than Neo, because he is going through the typical "Human with superpowers" thing.
Agent Smith 1: "Me, Me, Me." Agent Smith 2: "Me too."
Oh, and I pity the impatient viewers, which left after the "to be concluded". Oh My God I love Agent Smith! He is just so cool.
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Juliet
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by evan: Reaching in and reviving her heart by hand = dumb. I could accept the Neo/Trinity relationship up to there, but that scene ruined it for me.
BTW, can there be a movie in which the male lead and the female lead do not fall in love? Seriously, it would be a great change of pace.
No right at the end when Neo was unconscious.
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Juliet
DOOP Secretary
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Hey I got a new sig do you guys like?
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Melllvar
DOOP Secretary
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Hugo Weaving must've salivated at the script, "I've got the best part in this movie!"
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Juliet
DOOP Secretary
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I wouldn't mind having my hair like Niobi for when I go on holiday. it will keep my hair tidy.
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Juliet
DOOP Secretary
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They are on the bad side but not with Agent Smith.
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SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
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You guys, you have to remember-this is not only a sequel, but it's the middle of the chapter. There's one more movie left. I'm sure all the philisophical crap will be explained, and loose ends will be tied up. In the meantime, use the philisophical stuff to get some laughs, like for instance, when someone asks you "Where are we?" just say "Where we are." Oh yeah, and apparently Reloaded comes out on DVD in November, just before "Revolutions" hits. So don't analyze it too much. Oh, and one more on-a-tangent thing, I think this movie did suffer from too-high expectations, much like Star Wars Ep. 1 did (although that movie did deserve a lot of its criticism...)
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Impossible
Urban Legend
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« Reply #74 on: 05-28-2003 14:53 »
« Last Edit on: 05-28-2003 14:53 »
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I saw it today It was really good, but there was...just something missing from it, I don't know what. There was a lot of talk which confused me a lot as well. And the whole Trinity & Neo thing really annoyed me...that sex scene was just pointless!! I got confused at the Architect part, but I liked it when Neo said "Bullshit!" and it all echoed around him, slightly weird. Him saving Trinity was also slightly strange, she was dead, then she wasn't, then she's dead and then she's alive! Also Neo flying seemed a bit far-fetched to me, it's just he didn't seem very normal anymore, and now he's this super hero dude. I was impressed by the special effects, especially the Agent Smith fight (Rugby tackle!!) and the car chase. The Twins were brilliant, they were such good characters. I didn't like Persephone very much, but Merovingian was quite cool, I liked his accent. The Keymaker was a good character as well That cake scene got me confused! There were 7 people left in the cinema at the end of the credits to see the short trailer for the next one, looks...interesting. Nevertheless, it was a good film, I'll rate it...B+/A- And now...to look up all the mistakes in it! "If you can't beat us..." "...join us!"
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome: The individual parts that make up a trilogy should stand on their own, and not rely on the other parts to be satisyins stories. Each of the movies within a trilogy should have a satisfying beginning, middle, and end. ::Beats gnome over the head with a Lord of the Rings box set::
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