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Nixorbo

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« Reply #40 on: 05-23-2003 11:45 »

 
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot:
it was huge shot at religion, basically "God is a lie."

yeah, ok Neo

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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« Reply #41 on: 05-25-2003 15:17 »

TheReturnOfMark:   You appear to have "fat-fingered" the keyboard. We would like to know if you are interested in purchasing an Acme Typing Wand. Please mash the keyboard with your fist if you would like more information.
Gregorbo:   gtuijoplghbcf
Gregorbo:   that was with my face, by the way
TheReturnOfMark:   excellent
Gregorbo:   so, Matrix
TheReturnOfMark:   yeees
TheReturnOfMark:   seen it?
TheReturnOfMark:   OOH.
Gregorbo:   yes
Gregorbo:   Bill tells me you didn't
TheReturnOfMark:   I watched all the way through the credits, so I could watch the Matrix Revolutions trailer
Gregorbo:   heh
Gregorbo:   so many credits, so little teaser
TheReturnOfMark:   and there was a gentleman who worked on the film
TheReturnOfMark:   whose name was my own, letter for letter.
TheReturnOfMark:   okay, first up. Rave porn scene = totally useless.
Gregorbo:   heh
TheReturnOfMark:   Or rather, about 5 minutes too long
TheReturnOfMark:   and the sex was not necessary.
TheReturnOfMark:   anyhow
TheReturnOfMark:   moving on
Gregorbo:   agree completely
Gregorbo:   and Keanu's bare butt was especially not appreciated
TheReturnOfMark:   I believe the "real world" of Zion and Nebuchadnezzar, etc
TheReturnOfMark:   is just another lump of Matrix
Gregorbo:   me too
Gregorbo:   however, Neo is the first The One to discover this
TheReturnOfMark:   to occupy that small minority who reject the Matrix of BMWs, etc.
TheReturnOfMark:   Yes he is
TheReturnOfMark:   because he chose not to return to the source.
TheReturnOfMark:   And the reason for his coma and collapse
Gregorbo:   I'm almost willing to bet that
Gregorbo:   while in said coma
Gregorbo:   he's in the real real world
TheReturnOfMark:   NOPE!
Gregorbo:   bah
TheReturnOfMark:   What happens in the Matrix when a person exits it? Their body dematerializes.
TheReturnOfMark:   I think
Gregorbo:   it depends on the nature o the departure
Gregorbo:   for one
TheReturnOfMark:   You remember in the first movie, they worried about freeing Neo's mind because he was too old?
Gregorbo:   also, if the matrix and the "real" world are one and the same
TheReturnOfMark:   That danger has just been realized, his brain has been blown, at least temporarily
Gregorbo:   then the transition from matrix to "real" world isn't necessarily accurate
TheReturnOfMark:   eh, we'll see.
TheReturnOfMark:   This movie also shows us that Neo's mind still hasn't been completely freed.
Gregorbo:   matrices within matrices
TheReturnOfMark:   Even in the matrix of BMWs, Disney World, etc
TheReturnOfMark:   Neo bends the rules but doesn't disregard them.
TheReturnOfMark:   He flies AROUND the world rather than oh say, straight through it.
TheReturnOfMark:   Or even better, why not just teleport.
Gregorbo:   woo!  bullet-time ogling!
TheReturnOfMark:   yes indeed.
TheReturnOfMark:   Go piggy.
Gregorbo:   oh, so could you tell that this movie was made by a couple of anime freaks?
Gregorbo:   cuz I sure could
TheReturnOfMark:   Well yes.
TheReturnOfMark:   By the way.....
Gregorbo:   nice little trigun moment there
TheReturnOfMark:   I expect that what'll happen is Neo will achieve a zen-moment and return to his corporeal body.
Gregorbo:   by the way?
TheReturnOfMark:   without outside help
TheReturnOfMark:   What Trigun moment?
Gregorbo:   that would be cool
Gregorbo:   in the mandragorian or whatever's place
TheReturnOfMark:   yeah?
Gregorbo:   just before the big weapons fight
TheReturnOfMark:   ok
TheReturnOfMark:   oh
Gregorbo:   he orders his lackeys to shoot neo
TheReturnOfMark:   everyone blasting at him with machine guns
Gregorbo:   and they all fire their automatic weapons, all in a line
Gregorbo:   and none of them hit
TheReturnOfMark:   that doesn't REALLY matter though.......
Gregorbo:   admittedly, for different reasons
TheReturnOfMark:   and then Neo went and kicked butt
TheReturnOfMark:   instead of scampering away.
Gregorbo:   but yeah, the whole line-up of lackeys emptying assault rifle clips at a single target and all missing is highly Trigun
TheReturnOfMark:   okey
Gregorbo:   as I see you agree
TheReturnOfMark:   I didn't realize till my second viewing
Gregorbo:   heh
TheReturnOfMark:   that the "mandragorian or whatever" went and had sex with that blonde woman.
Gregorbo:   sounds about right
Gregorbo:   orgasm cake
TheReturnOfMark:   "It wasn't your lips she kissed"
Gregorbo:   is what I decided that was
TheReturnOfMark:   combined with "You'll find him in the ladies' room"
Gregorbo:   combined with her running off to said ladies room
TheReturnOfMark:   Oh, and more proof that Neo's mind ain't fully freed yet.....
Gregorbo:   actually
Gregorbo:   I guess aphrodesiac cake would be more descriptive
TheReturnOfMark:   He only just discovered how to heal, when he dug into Trinity's bosum.
TheReturnOfMark:   yes, aphrodesiac cake
Gregorbo:   true
TheReturnOfMark:   Else, he would have healed the Keymaker
Gregorbo:   as opposed to orgasm cake
Gregorbo:   mmhmm
Gregorbo:   there were a lot of parts where I wondered if they stole the 3d program from the Final Fantasy movie
TheReturnOfMark:   really
TheReturnOfMark:   Actually, tell me something
Gregorbo:   yep
Gregorbo:   no
TheReturnOfMark:   why is it that a bullet to the head will instantly kill an agent
Gregorbo:   well, the agent's host
TheReturnOfMark:   but if he gets smashed in the face with a steel bar wielded by The One, he just goes flying through the air and gets back up?
TheReturnOfMark:   The bar might not be going as fast, but it's got WAY more force.
Gregorbo:   mmhmm
TheReturnOfMark:   oh and...
Gregorbo:   My answer: starts with an "m," ends with an "s," and has "ovie physic" in the middle
TheReturnOfMark:   the fight with Seraph interested me.
TheReturnOfMark:   Neo didn't manage to hit him once
Gregorbo:   the same reason a single stab wound will kill a person, when being hit so hard that they make a crater in a solid rock wall just leaves them slightly dazed for a few seconds
Gregorbo:   yes he did, just not very hard
TheReturnOfMark:   more proof that Neo's mind hasn't been fully liberated... there's someone out there who can match him in combat.
TheReturnOfMark:   Well see, if Seraph is able to roll with the hit so well that it doesn't harm him at all
TheReturnOfMark:   I'd say the hit doesn't count.It's more like a push or a tap.
Gregorbo:   yes, neo's mind isn't completely free, we get the point
TheReturnOfMark:   hooray!
TheReturnOfMark:   By the way... is it just me or is Carrie-ann Moss' face too bony and angular to be really sexy?
Gregorbo:   something like that, why?

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« Reply #42 on: 05-25-2003 17:30 »

Saw Matrix Reloaded this afternoon, and I really enjoyed it.  Having read through this thread, I can understand how some people can be disappointed with it, the first ten minutes or so were not great.

The freeway sequence, and the 100 Smiths fight scene I thought were really well done.

This points me back to how movies which have a high expectations can suffer from an imaginative shortfall, it's like being given a blow-job - it's never as good as you imagine it's going to be.
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« Reply #43 on: 05-25-2003 19:34 »
« Last Edit on: 05-25-2003 19:34 »

I saw Matrix Relaod today and I thought it was BRILLAINT.

I love the fight scene with Neo vs all of those Agent Smith. The effects of all the Agent Smith was so cool.

I went to the toliet in the middle of the fim and when I came back I just missed the sex scene with Neo and Trinity.

I though Trinity was going to die. I don't get it what happend in the end.

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« Reply #44 on: 05-25-2003 23:05 »

Juliet, you missed the only part of the movie you didn't need to see, or anyone else.  It was long and drawn out for the most part.  I don't know.. having seen the movie twice, I get to this feeling that it's showing that these people are celebrating and cherishing the short amount of time they have left before going into the war against the machines, hence it seems long and drawn out... and it's not just a sex scene, it was a love scene... To each their own.  smile
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« Reply #45 on: 05-25-2003 23:27 »

IMHO Matrix Reloaded is a typical sequel. Bigger, louder, but not better than the first part.

Just adding more bullet time, speeches, slow motion sequences doesn't make a better film. Also, some of the SFX scenes were somewhat disappointing because you could clearly see, that they were animated. Even Neo was animated during the fight with the Smith clones. However, Agent Smith is actually the only character that really kicks ass in the movie. I loved the interaction between the clones. Smith is becoming a more interesting character than Neo, because he is going through the typical "Human with superpowers" thing.

Agent Smith 1: "Me, Me, Me."
Agent Smith 2: "Me too."

Oh, and I pity the impatient viewers, which left after the "to be concluded".
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« Reply #46 on: 05-26-2003 01:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
I though Trinity was going to die. I don't get it what happend in the end

Reaching in and reviving her heart by hand = dumb. I could accept the Neo/Trinity relationship up to there, but that scene ruined it for me.

BTW, can there be a movie in which the male lead and the female lead do not fall in love? Seriously, it would be a great change of pace.

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« Reply #47 on: 05-26-2003 03:42 »

As time passes, my opinion of the movie grows in my mind. I have trouble remembering the parts that bugged me, apart form the rave/sex scene. I guess time really does soothe all wounds, eh?
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« Reply #48 on: 05-26-2003 04:27 »

I think the problem with this film is that is looks like a copy of the first Matrix. Also there is no flow in the movie, its just scene after scene. It is not a bad film, but it is just another sequel, nothing special.
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« Reply #49 on: 05-26-2003 05:28 »

AS for not following, I think it has more to do with the fact that the 2 parralel plots dont link too well, ie, Finding "The source and following the Oracle" and the "War on Zion" the run completely differently, which sorta makes the movie appear to not flow.
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« Reply #50 on: 05-26-2003 11:04 »

That's true to a point Grim, although you can't have one without the other.  It would only make people further question the movie itself.  Example being "When are we ever going to find out more of Zion" or "So, what's happening now in the Matrix now that we see all this war in Zion."  It's hard to run two parallel plots together in a movie... It wasn't the best they could do, but at least it wasn't so bad that one couldn't understand what was going on.  smile
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« Reply #51 on: 05-26-2003 11:31 »

Wait a moment? There are two different plots? That never occurred to me.
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« Reply #52 on: 05-26-2003 12:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Gocad:
IMHO Matrix Reloaded is a typical sequel. Bigger, louder, but not better than the first part.

Just adding more bullet time, speeches, slow motion sequences doesn't make a better film. Also, some of the SFX scenes were somewhat disappointing because you could clearly see, that they were animated. Even Neo was animated during the fight with the Smith clones. However, Agent Smith is actually the only character that really kicks ass in the movie. I loved the interaction between the clones. Smith is becoming a more interesting character than Neo, because he is going through the typical "Human with superpowers" thing.

Agent Smith 1: "Me, Me, Me."
Agent Smith 2: "Me too."

Oh, and I pity the impatient viewers, which left after the "to be concluded".

Oh My God I love Agent Smith! He is just so cool.


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« Reply #53 on: 05-26-2003 12:43 »

Bane: "Oh my God!"
Agent Smith: "Smith will suffice."

He was evil before, but now he has a wicked sense of humor...   evil laugh
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« Reply #54 on: 05-26-2003 12:43 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
 Reaching in and reviving her heart by hand = dumb. I could accept the Neo/Trinity relationship up to there, but that scene ruined it for me.

BTW, can there be a movie in which the male lead and the female lead do not fall in love? Seriously, it would be a great change of pace.


No right at the end when Neo was unconscious.

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« Reply #55 on: 05-26-2003 12:58 »

Hasn't Zion been destroyed already, or did the Sentinels just destroy the ships which had been disabled by the EMP Blast which had been triggered too early? (by Bane?)
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« Reply #56 on: 05-26-2003 14:29 »

Hey I got a new sig do you guys like?

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« Reply #57 on: 05-26-2003 14:37 »
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Originally posted by Juliet:
Hey I got a new sig do you guys like?


Maybe, once you explained to everyone else here how your new sig is connected to Matrix Reloaded.

EDIT: Oh, there is the connection.

*runs away being chased by some hundred Smiths*

EDIT #2: Changed your name?   tongue
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« Reply #58 on: 05-26-2003 14:47 »
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It's fixed now
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« Reply #59 on: 05-26-2003 16:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Gocad:
Bane: "Oh my God!"
Agent Smith: "Smith will suffice."

He was evil before, but now he has a wicked sense of humor...    evil laugh


LMAO@that!  I, too thought that was hilarious and much needed.
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« Reply #60 on: 05-26-2003 19:02 »

Does anyone know where I can find a transcipt of the speech that the Agent Smith doubles made? The one where the camera panned in a complete circle as more and more Agent Smiths added one line at a time. I loved that speech; it had great rythem:

"It is purpose that binds us;
purpose that defines us..."
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« Reply #61 on: 05-26-2003 19:07 »

Hugo Weaving must've salivated at the script, "I've got the best part in this movie!"
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« Reply #62 on: 05-27-2003 12:00 »

I wouldn't mind having my hair like Niobi for when I go on holiday. it will keep my hair tidy.

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« Reply #63 on: 05-27-2003 12:14 »
« Last Edit on: 05-27-2003 12:14 by Nixorbo »

   
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Originally posted by Melllvar:
Hugo Weaving must've salivated at the script, "I've got the best part in this movie!"

... and then he laughed at anyone else.
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« Reply #64 on: 05-27-2003 12:32 »
« Last Edit on: 05-27-2003 12:32 by Nixorbo »

I also want to get Enter The Matrix game.

So who are your favourite characters?

Mine is Agent Smith and Neo. Oh and I like the Twins too.

Come on, you know better than that[/i]

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« Reply #65 on: 05-27-2003 15:06 »

Could someone please tell me - are the twins on the good side (i.e. Neo and the rest) or the bad side (i.e. Smith)?
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« Reply #66 on: 05-27-2003 15:32 »

They are on the bad side but not with Agent Smith.

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« Reply #67 on: 05-27-2003 16:11 »

Agent Smith is my favorite. He is like the uber-cool villian, with all villians underneath him.
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« Reply #68 on: 05-27-2003 16:56 »

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
They are on the bad side but not with Agent Smith.


Agent Smith has his own side now.
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« Reply #69 on: 05-27-2003 21:33 »

You guys, you have to remember-this is not only a sequel, but it's the middle of the chapter. There's one more movie left. I'm sure all the philisophical crap will be explained, and loose ends will be tied up. In  the meantime, use the philisophical stuff to get some laughs, like for instance, when someone asks you "Where are we?" just say "Where we are." Oh yeah, and apparently Reloaded comes out on DVD in November, just before "Revolutions" hits. So don't analyze it too much. Oh, and one more on-a-tangent thing, I think this movie did suffer from too-high expectations, much like Star Wars Ep. 1 did (although that movie did deserve a lot of its criticism...)
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« Reply #70 on: 05-27-2003 22:34 »

The individual parts that make up a trilogy should stand on their own, and not rely on the other parts to be satisyins stories. Each of the movies within a trilogy should have a satisfying beginning, middle, and end. I think the consensus is that Matrix 2 has a beginning and a lot of middle, but is lacking in the "end" department.
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« Reply #71 on: 05-28-2003 09:37 »

Maybe the ending was in the middle and the end was just a prelude to Revolutions  big grin  wink
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« Reply #72 on: 05-28-2003 11:36 »
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In Reloaded there was this scene witht the guy who loves to swear in French. He orders chocolate pie for his wife. Is it just me or did she have an orgasm after taking a bit from the chocolate pie?
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« Reply #73 on: 05-28-2003 14:29 »

It's not his wife, just some random tart.  And yes, that was the 'special' pie he made.

He enjoys using his special techno-manipulation abilities for carnal pleasure.  What a frenchmen
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« Reply #74 on: 05-28-2003 14:53 »
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I saw it today   smile It was really good, but there was...just something missing from it, I don't know what. There was a lot of talk which confused me a lot as well. And the whole Trinity & Neo thing really annoyed me...that sex scene was just pointless!! I got confused at the Architect part, but I liked it when Neo said "Bullshit!" and it all echoed around him, slightly weird. Him saving Trinity was also slightly strange, she was dead, then she wasn't, then she's dead and then she's alive! Also Neo flying seemed a bit far-fetched to me, it's just he didn't seem very normal anymore, and now he's this super hero dude.

I was impressed by the special effects, especially the Agent Smith fight (Rugby tackle!!) and the car chase. The Twins were brilliant, they were such good characters. I didn't like Persephone very much, but Merovingian was quite cool, I liked his accent. The Keymaker was a good character as well   smile

That cake scene got me confused! There were 7 people left in the cinema at the end of the credits to see the short trailer for the next one, looks...interesting.

Nevertheless, it was a good film, I'll rate it...B+/A-

And now...to look up all the mistakes in it!

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« Reply #75 on: 05-28-2003 18:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Grim:
Maybe the ending was in the middle and the end was just a prelude to Revolutions   big grin   wink

Perhaps, but what I'm saying is that each movie should stand on its own with a coherent plot movement. Putting the end in the middle wouldn't fix that.
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« Reply #76 on: 05-29-2003 00:54 »

Man that's old school.  Of course people are going to know there's going to be another movie after this one.  But, it's receiving more attention by leaving people hanging rather than by having them go home with knowing what's happening.  It's a risky move, and it's definitely not the first time it's been done...  Personally, I thought it was great that it just cuts you off right at the end.  If it didn't, we'd have too much of a clue of what the third one would be like and thus our excitement dwindles.  I mean, there's so many different possibilities of what's going to happen because of the way this movie ended, it's great.  Ah well, definitely can't please everyone.
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« Reply #77 on: 05-29-2003 01:37 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
The individual parts that make up a trilogy should stand on their own, and not rely on the other parts to be satisyins stories. Each of the movies within a trilogy should have a satisfying beginning, middle, and end.

::Beats gnome over the head with a Lord of the Rings box set::

I have a thousand years of power.
"NOOOOO HE WAS MY BROTHER!" and then got tired and slept.


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« Reply #78 on: 05-29-2003 04:36 »

 
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Originally posted by ZombieJesus:
In Reloaded there was this scene witht the guy who loves to swear in French. He orders chocolate pie for his wife. Is it just me or did she have an orgasm after taking a bit from the chocolate pie?

Did you listen to what the Metrovingian said, while this woman was eating the cake?

Actually it was one of the few moments where I was really surprised.

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« Reply #79 on: 05-29-2003 04:37 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2003 04:37 »

If u play the game, u get a little more info on the strange happenings at the end...

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