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fromage

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« on: 04-04-2003 01:29 »

I think it's odd that we never hear the F word on american TV when it's heard over and over again in movies.

I mean, here in Quebec, "cursed words" are used in movies, in tv, in broadcasted music... In fact, we consider it's a part of our culture, so why censoring it?

In "Life in hell" from Matt Groening, the word Fuck is used a few times, without abuse. It doesn't hurnt anybody!
Kristi
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« Reply #1 on: 04-04-2003 01:31 »

American TV is censored too much. *sigh*
Spice Weasel

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« Reply #2 on: 04-04-2003 01:40 »

Yeah here in Canada (can't speak for Quebec  wink) TV in general is not all that censored.  We get the Osbournes and other mindless crizzap like that uncensored.  The first time I saw it I was thinking why censor this in the first place they use "fuck" so much it doesn't even count as an explative anymore.  As far as movies go, the only Canadian network that still censors sometimes is Global, usually during primetime.  But late at night anything fucking goes.  Watching the 'merikan networks is funny though.  The show a movie like Ford Fairlane and half of the dialog is lame overdubs.  Why show it in the first place?
Jeremy

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« Reply #3 on: 04-04-2003 02:32 »

Because we care about our children, unlike you scum!  smile
DrThunder88

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« Reply #4 on: 04-04-2003 02:35 »
« Last Edit on: 04-04-2003 02:35 »

Eh, go f-beep yourself.
Tweek

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« Reply #5 on: 04-04-2003 04:24 »

It is allowed here after nine pm.
Kristi
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« Reply #6 on: 04-04-2003 04:27 »

Which time zone?  smile
Zed 85

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« Reply #7 on: 04-04-2003 05:49 »
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British, I'm afraid Kristi.   wink  smile
Australian Guy

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« Reply #8 on: 04-04-2003 08:03 »

PLeadin Christians have gotten the Politcians ear, thats why

I saw a funny bumper Sticker today. IT said "Jesus, Save us from you Followers" I Chuckled to myself all the way home from the train station.
MelBee

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« Reply #9 on: 04-04-2003 13:19 »

The f-word? Well, you can't even switch on Channel 4 after 9pm without hearing it!
And Channel 5 - let's not even go there...
Teral

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« Reply #10 on: 04-04-2003 13:29 »

No rules here. You could use it in a kids playtime show, and noone would make a fuss about it. well, some left-wing nut might, but we usually ignore crazy people.

Also I just watched "Homer Simpson Against the city of New York". Good to see some channels wont bow to the PC zealots.
Yorokobi

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« Reply #11 on: 04-04-2003 13:46 »

Actually bleeping can be humorus, I'd rather have that then lame overdubs.

Batman:  Yes Robin, Grod did a masterful job of F[beep]ing us!

That was from a "redubbed" segment of the superfriends, shown for it's comedic aspects during Adult Swim.

Here's what I don't get.... what was said in South Park (the movie that is) is true, kids can see all the violence and carnage they want as long as there aren't any naughty words!

I watch what my kids view but as a parent, I'd much rather have my kids seeing soft core porn then what's on CNN these days.

As a matter of fact, by in large, if nudity or sexual situations are what makes a movie's R rating I green light it.
bankrupt

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« Reply #12 on: 04-04-2003 14:09 »

The bleeping is silly.  It's usually done in such a manner that there's no doubt about what the actual word was.  It's also easy for anyone to figure it out from the context.  I don't think the censorship of curse words is really protecting anyone.
fromage

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« Reply #13 on: 04-04-2003 14:29 »

Damn right bakrupt!

sometimes bleeping is used like this:

"Go F*bleep*uck yourself!
evan

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« Reply #14 on: 04-04-2003 14:36 »

I personally love the bleep for "asshole." Apparently, on American TV, you can say 'ass,' but the 'hole' part must be bleeped out. Is "hole" really offending someone somewhere?
Ricky

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« Reply #15 on: 04-04-2003 14:41 »

I refuse to believe they censor Sopranos. If they do, I suspect it will be something like this, which in fact is more entertaining than the original version.

(.mov file, size 3,79 MB)
Archie2K

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« Reply #16 on: 04-04-2003 15:31 »

As bankrupt said, it's so easy to work out what the original curse word was that it is almost pointless to bleep it. I mean they're only fucking words.

Over here, as Tweek said, after 9pm pretty much anything goes, BUT nowadays that 9pm line is becoming more of a wavey line with gaping holes in it. Swear words creep into all manner of shows before 9pm aswell as numerous scenes that I would consider much more harmful to kids: family violence, etc. As for the news...

But I watched everyrthing and his dog as a kid, and I turned out fine...

*clings lovingly to Prozac bottle*
lfv
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« Reply #17 on: 04-04-2003 15:42 »
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well don't forget the FCC actually has rules stating the major networks like FOX, NBC, CBS, WB, and pretty much any station with a call sign, can't do certain things or say certain words, and if they do they get fined for it (it's not cheap either).

in the case of cable, anything goes. they make their own rules. usually things get censored thanks to complaints from people and advertisers (refers to "South Park" and "The Shield." ). the overprotective conservative nutjobs in this country can ruin it for everyone if they want. it's very silly, but for whatever wacky reason, it has to be done. maybe we'll grow out of it someday. Some cable stations, like Tech TV, are allowed to say shit any time of the day.
MuscaDomestica

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« Reply #18 on: 04-04-2003 16:02 »

South Park once had an episode where they said Shit 167 times... funny as hell.

The censorship here is insane... the religious right has a lot of power here and they think anything that isn't from the bible should be banned... scarry...
aslate

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« Reply #19 on: 04-04-2003 19:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Archie2K:
As bankrupt said, it's so easy to work out what the original curse word was that it is almost pointless to bleep it. I mean they're only fucking words.

Over here, as Tweek said, after 9pm pretty much anything goes, BUT nowadays that 9pm line is becoming more of a wavey line with gaping holes in it. Swear words creep into all manner of shows before 9pm aswell as numerous scenes that I would consider much more harmful to kids: family violence, etc. As for the news...

But I watched everyrthing and his dog as a kid, and I turned out fine...

*clings lovingly to Prozac bottle*

I agree too. FUCK isn't gonna turn me into a psycopathic maniac.
And the 9PM watershed is being breeched alot by soaps, there are starting to be complaints registered.
Just Chris

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« Reply #20 on: 04-05-2003 01:22 »

If they censor Sopranos for a broadcast network, the show will only be 7 minutes long.

Well, I think it is OK to censor some words in daytime shows. Older kids may be able make out the words, but younger kids may not know. I mean, do you want your 6-year old to listen to and repeat these words? It'll be as easy as just switching channels.

But I admit that the US has some overprotective censoring laws. If anything, the censorship should be the other way around and have it stricter for the Europeans. Why? The US and its laws are supposed to embody everything that means freedom of expression, and we're supposed to have more rights than other countries -- those damn government officials have swindled us!
Tweek

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« Reply #21 on: 04-05-2003 04:18 »

 
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Originally posted by MuscaDomestica:
South Park once had an episode where they said Shit 167 times... funny as hell.

I found that episode a bit lame, probably because it is no big deal here, C4 shows stuff like the Sopranos uncut so that episode of SP was not that bad.

Nimkip

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« Reply #22 on: 04-05-2003 04:39 »
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Who wants to hear the F word from someone on tv if you can say it at any time you desire     up yours
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #23 on: 04-05-2003 05:25 »

The "F" Word.... wouldn't that be Futurama  tongue No, maybe not! But I do agree that South Park do say "it" alot  smile
fromage

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« Reply #24 on: 04-05-2003 12:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Nimkip:
Who wants to hear the F word from someone on tv if you can say it at any time you desire      up yours

It's not that we WANT to hear it from someone on TV.

Censorship is just useless.

By the way, go bleep yourself!
HA!
Timo

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« Reply #25 on: 04-05-2003 19:25 »

Yeah, the U.S. is fucking ass-backward.  Violence, both psychological and explicitly gory, is encouraged here.  Sex is okay only if it is in fact *not* sex, but violence such as rape.  But swearing, and sexual situations that involve any positive emotions, are outlawed.  The people that have influence in this country are very, very scary.

On a positive note, from the book, "The Mother Tongue; English And How It Got That Way," by Bill Bryson:

"After O.K., fuck must be about the most versatile of all English words.  It can be used to describe a multitude of conditions and phenomena, from making a mess of something (fuck up), to being casual or provocative (fuck around), to inviting or announcing a departure (fuck off), to being estimable (fucking-A), to being baffled (I'm fucked if I know), to being disgusted (fuck this), and so on and on and on."
Stuart

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« Reply #26 on: 04-06-2003 16:35 »

 
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Also I just watched "Homer Simpson Against the city of New York". Good to see some channels wont bow to the PC zealots.
In Britain, they can show pretty much everything with a view of the New York skyline before the World Trade Center attack, but I don't think they've shown that episode of the Simpsons! BBC were planning to show it one night but replaced it at the last minute. Any other countries done that?
 
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But I admit that the US has some overprotective censoring laws. If anything, the censorship should be the other way around and have it stricter for the Europeans. Why? The US and its laws are supposed to embody everything that means freedom of expression, and we're supposed to have more rights than other countries -- those damn government officials have swindled us!

Yes they have. American TV sounds well screwed-up to me! Pre-empting shows, the crazy swearing laws, and of course the Fox News Channel, make me want to vomit in terror, or something.
Trekzilla3k

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« Reply #27 on: 04-08-2003 00:22 »

I find the use of the "F" word so very BORING and creatively lazy
Just Chris

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« Reply #28 on: 04-09-2003 18:44 »

I agree. The F word may be versatile (hell, it can be used as FIVE parts of speech) but it takes pure brains to insult someone with proper English.
evan

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« Reply #29 on: 04-09-2003 19:22 »

@ Stuart:

I do think that they have shown "The City of New York v. Homer Simpson" since 9/11. I believe it's removal was just temporary.
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