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evan

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« Reply #40 on: 04-04-2003 12:19 »

Jeez, you people don't like the Matrix and you don't like Fight Club? What's with you kids? I guess you'd rather go watch your really bad new Star Trek films or something.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #41 on: 04-04-2003 12:32 »

The Matrix was shite pure and simple adn for the record I liked Fight Club.
The Matrix was only revolutionary to naive fools who know little about good films. Teh makers have even admited that they took alot of their ideas from other films such as Ghost in the Shell (the neck interface) Akira (Neo may stop bullets with his powers, Tetsuo stops a tank shell in it's tracks)
I have alos said the premise of the film is flawed and it is. Why I ask you would these machines use humans as theor power source? If the sun has been blocked then than sort of atmoshphere would creae high winds and massive tide (renewable energy) nucular power, they are artificial life what do they have to worry about with radiation.
If they have to use humans why create a Matrix?
that jsut takes up energy to create ( the brain processes electrical signles so where would this energy from?)
Yes some of the effects where nice but without a good plot this film will not stand the test of time.
If you want a film that quetions what is real watch The End of Evangelion. Much more entertaining and also will f#ck your head over. FYI it was made 2 years before the Matrix so don't say it tooks it's ideas from there.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #42 on: 04-05-2003 11:37 »
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I also like Fight Club, I've never met anyone who doesnt. I have End of evan gellion on DVD, and yes its damn good. I never said The matrix was a 5 star film.

Did you actually check the link? Its very interesting. They take the time and use maths of all things to calculate how many people the matrix would need to power itself and stuff like that. It's not the sorta film youd award and oscar to, Action films never are.

In the film to most signifiant line would be "You are a slave to the system"  This is important because it works on multiple levels. Not only were they litteraly "slaves" to the "System" but also in the world that the matrix created for its slaves. Thus making a statment about the reality we live in. I could go on about this for hours, because my school and its teachers thought so much of this movie, they made us study it in english.

I never said the matrix was revolutionary. There arent that many places left to movies to go. Like fry said "People dont wanna see anything new" These days all that seem to impress is Special effects, but i dont think that makes a movie at all. HAs anyone seen dark city? Thats rather like the matrix cept on a lower budget.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #43 on: 04-05-2003 11:40 »

my memory may be palying up but didn't the Matrix get an Oscar in one of the silly catagories?
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« Reply #44 on: 04-05-2003 11:46 »

 
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Originally posted by wu_konguk:
my memory may be palying up but didn't the Matrix get an Oscar in one of the silly catagories?

According to this site it won:

BEST EDITING
BEST SOUND DESIGN
BEST SOUND F/X EDITING
BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
Australian Guy

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« Reply #45 on: 04-05-2003 11:47 »

I wouldnt know, i dont follow the oscars. I only ever watched Evan gellion once, i keep meaning to watch it again. And seeing as how theres so much going on id have to watch it at leest thrice.
But the MAjesty of it all Terrifies me.
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« Reply #46 on: 04-05-2003 11:51 »

The Matrix is still my favourite movie.

However, I'm a little worried about the hype surrounding "Reloaded" and "Revolutions".  There's a shit-load of expectation from the fans and movie-goers alike.  I hope that the movie will still surpass expectation and blow us away.

Hoping for "Godfather II" and not "Highlander II", if you know what I mean.
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« Reply #47 on: 04-05-2003 13:39 »
« Last Edit on: 04-05-2003 13:39 »

It's a pity the actress who played the Oracle (Gloria Foster) died of diabetes before finishing her work on Reloaded.
I'm not sure how they're gonna do Revolutions without her, recasting I suppose.   frown

Edit: Just checked, her part was re-written not re-casted.
Timo

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« Reply #48 on: 04-05-2003 15:30 »
« Last Edit on: 04-05-2003 15:30 »

Wild Wild West.  I still think it was a do-able concept.  But how Kevin Kline and Kenneth Branagh got roped into that horribly-written piece of trash is beyond me.  (I can see how Will Smith and Salma Hayek got roped into it, but I'm still disappointed in them.)  Theme song was good, though.

Kryten, I would say The Phantom Menace is the bigger disappointment than Attack of the Clones.  They are both awful, but everyone expected TPM to be great.  By the time AotC got here, we all sort of suspected that it would suck, precisely because of TPM.  Will it really surprise you when episode III, "Anny's Tantrum," sucks too?

But to me, the biggest disappointment of all time is Star Trek: First Contact.  It was the death knell for Trek, and the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise.  (And that includes Berman, Voyager, and Enterprise.)  Words cannot express my distaste for that film.  Everything in it was antithetical to the best, most noble concepts in Star Trek.

And I'm willing to bet that any of you reading this that care about it, liked the movie.
Lurrr

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« Reply #49 on: 04-05-2003 17:38 »

ST: First Contact seems to be the film that most non-trekkies say they enjoy but I think that's really the point. It's got mass appeal but it was a complete departure from what the other films were about. To me, it was nothing more than your bog standard sci-fi action film. Though most people seem to think otherwise, I think Generations is the best of the TNG movies (but still doesn't come close to Wrath of Kahn).
Just Chris

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« Reply #50 on: 04-08-2003 23:28 »

WWW seemed to be good at the point. You had gun-slinging Old West action with Jules Verne-like contraptions. Sadly, something went wrong. I want to say Salma Hayek is the only reason to watch it, but even she had stiff action. Ugh. Will Smith made some good movies, but this one set him back a few years.
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« Reply #51 on: 04-09-2003 01:17 »

*Smacks Wu and Aussie-Guy up*

The Matrix was great. Quit your whining.
Jeremy

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« Reply #52 on: 04-09-2003 01:25 »

Smack me up too.
GARBAGE!!
Nurdbot

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« Reply #53 on: 04-09-2003 02:51 »

That was disturbing.
Archie2K

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« Reply #54 on: 04-09-2003 08:24 »

Never seen Fight Club and as I said before, after the hype it has b een given by my friends, I so doubt I am going to like it that much. It's probably going to be some kind of way-out there film that goes swoosh right over my head.

Aussie Guy makes a good point. The filmmakers just want as many people to see the film as possible, even if it sucks. It's all about money./  mad
See also: The unbelieveably cleaky music industry
wu_konguk

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« Reply #55 on: 04-09-2003 08:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
*Smacks Wu and Aussie-Guy up*

The Matrix was great. Quit your whining.

*Whacks Nurdbot with ninja stick until his brain beigns to ooze out of his skull, while yelling that the Matix was a contirive piece of shit*
That's right I have a ninja stick (or Boken if you will)
Speeking of OOZE and Ninja's. What a diappointment Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 was, I mean why did they have to put Vanilla Ice in it   mad
asianlightning

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« Reply #56 on: 04-09-2003 08:49 »

The first time I saw the Matrix, both myself and a friend of mine fell asleep in it. It's a great story, but let's face it, Keanu Reeves has the acting of a tree stump. As far as Fight Club goes, I liked it, and really enjoyed the book when I read it a few years ago. It's interesting that there is still so much interest in it, as it didn't get a very wide US release in theaters. Oh, to Australian Guy, I saw Dark City, and thought it was great. A great film noir, science fiction piece that a lot of film makers today should follow example of.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #57 on: 04-10-2003 23:18 »

 
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By Just Chris:
I want to say Salma Hayek is the only reason to watch it, but even she had stiff action.

I'd like to give her some stiff action! Am I right, men?

*high five*
Nixorbo

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« Reply #58 on: 04-10-2003 23:24 »

When I saw the teaser for this thread, and saw that FishyJoe had a starring post, I imagined that it would be the best post ever.  But upon reading the thread, I found that FishyJoe only had crude sexual innuendos and lame mysoginist one-liners.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #59 on: 04-10-2003 23:36 »

Nix clearly doesn't get the joke.

When I say I'd like to give her some "stiff action", I'm saying I want to have sex with her.

.....*high five*
Nixorbo

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« Reply #60 on: 04-10-2003 23:44 »

Now THAT lived up to my expectations.
evan

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« Reply #61 on: 04-10-2003 23:55 »

Whoa whoa whoa...slow that train down, Fishy. Quit speaking in your school-boy innuendo. I don't get it.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #62 on: 04-11-2003 01:59 »

I do. And I'm not even American.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #63 on: 04-11-2003 03:04 »

ROFL......................... LOL

Anyway, you should see fight club, dont pay attention to the hype, its just a very good film about perceived reality. And dark city was really great. It was sorta like the matrix, in that it was dark, and had simliar premises and good special effects.

It was impressive, because everything was dark and cramped and the scimped on the spial effects, but at the end everything was set loose.
Ricky

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« Reply #64 on: 04-11-2003 04:19 »

 
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Originally posted by wu_konguk:
The Matrix was shite pure and simple adn for the record I liked Fight Club.
The Matrix was only revolutionary to naive fools who know little about good films. Teh makers have even admited that they took alot of their ideas from other films such as Ghost in the Shell (the neck interface) Akira (Neo may stop bullets with his powers, Tetsuo stops a tank shell in it's tracks)
I have alos said the premise of the film is flawed and it is. Why I ask you would these machines use humans as theor power source? If the sun has been blocked then than sort of atmoshphere would creae high winds and massive tide (renewable energy) nucular power, they are artificial life what do they have to worry about with radiation.
If they have to use humans why create a Matrix?
that jsut takes up energy to create ( the brain processes electrical signles so where would this energy from?)
Yes some of the effects where nice but without a good plot this film will not stand the test of time.
If you want a film that quetions what is real watch The End of Evangelion. Much more entertaining and also will f#ck your head over. FYI it was made 2 years before the Matrix so don't say it tooks it's ideas from there.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, but the appeal of the Matrix movies doesn't lie in the scientific accuracy of the premises.  roll eyes

I enjoyed the first Matrix movie, but I enjoyed it because of the effects, the shoot-outs and the generally high level of entertainment and excitement throughout the movie. I can't see why it should be a worse movie because the 'stopping a bullet with mind powers'-idea was used in a Japanese animated movie from 1995. Show me a movie in a futuristic setting that doesn't borrow any features or ideas already used in an other movie or book, and then I'll listen to your (silly) complaints about the Matrix and everybody who liked it.
Zed 85

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« Reply #65 on: 04-11-2003 05:56 »

I could trace a futuristic world that was pulled over peoples' eyes and featured super-human "agents" and hackers and so forth back to a 1995 PC game called Syndicate Wars (which had in-game adds for Ghost In A Shell funnily enough  big grin ). In fact if the novel I'm writing now ever gets made into a film (bareing in mind it'll have to get published first probably) then you might as well now that it's full of other references.
I'd be extremely impressed when someone invents a completely original view of the future, it's not all together possible.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #66 on: 04-11-2003 06:27 »

looks like I'm fighting a losing battle here but I will not give in. You people can like the film and that's now fine by me, but do not tell me it is a great movie and tell me I should like it because I think it is shite. After all there is no accounting for taste.
I have no problems with references in films, I just read an article with the creators of the Matrix basically claiming that these things were
basically their ideas anyway. They should have given credit where credit was due.
FYI I might be picking at straws but Akira was released in 1987 over a decade before the MAtrix.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #67 on: 04-11-2003 07:57 »

The MAtrix was action not Sci-Fi. Sci-Fi is supposed to be predicting or commenting on where society is, and where its going. That said, there hasnt been a good Sci-Fi film in ages.

The MAtrix is an action movie. That just happens the be set in the future.
Can you link the story, you said above that the matrix ppl Admited they built on other ideas.
Its not fair to pick at Building on ideas, Because its science fiction that comes up with this stuff in the frst place. They borrowed from the Ghost in the Shell, for example Because its an clever and efficient way of accessing a computer with your mind. Whadda expect, For them to let the signals be boradcast into thier brain directly, Harnessing the power of Sunspots to Produce cognitive Radiation.
Unless theres a Genetically engineerd supser Sci-Fi writer, your going to have to settle for ppl building on each other inginuity. If it hadnt been for writers like Jules Verne, fueling the imagination of scientists, we wouldnt have the current generation of Technology. So thanks to ppl like William Gibson, and Gene Roddenberry, we can expect scientists to look into inventing the things fetured in thier work. Nanotechnology, and teleportation for example. The American military has huge amounts of resources invested in Nanoweapons. And scientists in Austrlia have succeded in teleporting Lasers, which could create computers unimaginably powerful. Anyway...... im rambling and im not sure where imn going with this......................... .bye
wu_konguk

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« Reply #68 on: 04-11-2003 08:59 »

Alright alright I agree that there a very few orginal ideas outthere. With that said I would at least like to say that although that is true they did not need to make the plot so cliche.
The first tiem I saw it I was able to guess lines very accuratly, not just Keanu's his where easy "Whoa" "Dude". I mean other line such as

"You can die becuse the profet said I would fall in love with the choosen one. And I love"
He wakes up.

Okey not exactly the line but that's the jist of it. When it came to that sccenn I knew that was going to happen before it di.

I will give the film it's dues on good action sceens but I have seen better.

Look you can say it's a good movie till you are blue in the face. Your not going to change my mind. Look some people just don't like certain movies for example I love The Nighmare Before Christmas other people hate it.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #69 on: 04-11-2003 09:42 »

I like the nightmare before Christmas, ive never seen it in its enitrety tho. And yeah lol, i suppose your right that part where the kiss woke him up was pretty corny. I always forget about that one.......
Grim

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« Reply #70 on: 04-11-2003 09:47 »

About the matrix...
Did the Wagoulski (or whatever they are) brothers come out and say its based of the gospel? and all that birth death resurrection, saviour messiah stuff?

Australian Guy

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« Reply #71 on: 04-11-2003 12:54 »

I dunno did they, and its the Wachowski Bros.
Melllvar

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« Reply #72 on: 04-12-2003 09:27 »

Mmm, having seen trailers for Matrix: Reloaded, T3 and X2, I'd say that I was looking forward to them.

Both Reloaded and X2 look like they're gonna be excellent Summer Blockbuster fare, and T3 looks like it might be an enjoyable romp, albeit somewhat cheesey.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #73 on: 04-12-2003 09:59 »

Im looking forward too, ive Downloaded a bunch of trailers and Shorts like Rise of the osiris (Or whatever) But i dont wanna install Quicktime on my comp. It just mucks things up, im gonna have to figure out something in 5 weeks, or else....
Just Chris

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« Reply #74 on: 04-12-2003 13:18 »

I'm a bit worried about them releasing two new Matrix movies in the same year. That might sap the quality of the films, as they seem to be rushed out quickly for release.
Melllvar

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« Reply #75 on: 04-12-2003 13:23 »

Well, they've been held back for a while though, however, they always intended to release them within a month or two of each other.  When Revolutions is out in theatres, Reloaded will be out on Video and DVD.

The trailer looks hella-wicked, and I'm mightily impressed with what I've seen so far.  Here's hoping that it isn't a let down.
Kristi
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« Reply #76 on: 04-13-2003 20:38 »

I hope The Matrix doesn't become a franchise. *shudder*
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #77 on: 04-13-2003 20:51 »

Hopefully, neither will Americanised spelling.
Kristi
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« Reply #78 on: 04-13-2003 20:56 »

 
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Hopefully, neither will Americanised spelling.

It's "Americanized"! The "z" makes it look cool.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #79 on: 04-13-2003 21:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Kristi:
 It's "Americanized"! The "z" makes it look cool.


 laff Heheheheh. It could use a couple of "X"'s!

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