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masTers

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« on: 01-02-2003 19:52 »

Whats the worst James Bond film in everyones opinion and why?
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« Reply #1 on: 01-02-2003 19:54 »

Hmm, i personally thought Dr. No was boring, but i loved Goldeneye.
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« Reply #2 on: 01-02-2003 20:10 »

License To Kill, by far.

That wasn't a 007 movie. It was a run-of-the-mill, sub-average Hollywood revenge movie. Remove Dalton (It was Timothy Dalton wasn't it?) and replace him with any generic Branson-clone and you couldn't tell the difference. What was the point in making that movie anyway?
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« Reply #3 on: 01-02-2003 20:41 »

I agree Goldeneye is one of the best ones, and cretainly the best brosnan one, alougth i havent seen Die Another Day.
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« Reply #4 on: 01-02-2003 20:43 »

Die Another Day isn't a great Bond film. It doesn't seem as Bond-like as the others.
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« Reply #5 on: 01-03-2003 02:17 »

OHMSS - Lazenby was awful and the it's just so dull.
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« Reply #6 on: 01-03-2003 02:39 »

Id agree with that, the guy gets married for christ sake, how un bond is that?
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« Reply #7 on: 01-03-2003 02:40 »

OHMSS was okay,But what I hate is Diamond's for ever.
Goldeneye was one of the best.
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« Reply #8 on: 01-03-2003 08:21 »

Die another Day was just a "Best of" all previous Bonds and had no story at all.
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« Reply #9 on: 01-03-2003 10:49 »

 
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Originally posted by dadbot:
OHMSS - Lazenby was awful and the it's just so dull.
That is one of my favourites, it follows the book well too, if Ian Flemming wanted Bond to marry then that is OK by me  tongue The loss of his wife effected him far more in the books than it did in the films though which was a pity.

My least favourite is probably Moonraker.
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« Reply #10 on: 01-03-2003 10:51 »

Moonraker was just a Hollywood movie that had to be like Star Wars.
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« Reply #11 on: 01-03-2003 11:25 »

 
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Originally posted by dadbot:
OHMSS - Lazenby was awful and the it's just so dull.
That is one of my favourites, it follows the book well too, if Ian Flemming wanted Bond to marry then that is OK by me   tongue The loss of his wife effected him far more in the books than it did in the films though which was a pity.

My least favourite is probably Moonraker.

It was going to be more emotional. In the first take the Bond actor (Lazenby?) read the book and started crying for the take, but the director said 'James Bond doesn't cry' and they re-shot it.

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« Reply #12 on: 01-03-2003 12:59 »

Goldfinger was the best of them...
I don't know which is the worst, there are several I didn't like... the new ones included. Sean Connery was the best Bond.
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« Reply #13 on: 01-03-2003 17:04 »

The ones between Goldeneye and Die another Day just plain sucked.
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« Reply #14 on: 01-03-2003 23:22 »

 
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Originally posted by masTers:
I agree Goldeneye is one of the best ones, and cretainly the best brosnan one, alougth i havent seen Die Another Day.

No, Goldeneye is the best Brosnan one.

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« Reply #15 on: 01-04-2003 02:21 »

      Die Another Day was much different than previous Bond films in a variety of capacities.  Most Bond movies are driven by the two main characters, Bond and the villain.  All the action in the movie involves at least one of these characters.  Die Another Day added a third character-drive, Jynx.  Unfortunately, Jynx's goals directly coincide with Bond's, and since there is no conflict (and since they shag on their very first meeting), the relationship is entirely static and boring.  Another way they tried to shift the Bond paradigm was to alter the basic plotline of the movie.  Classically, Bond flicks move like this:
      • Villian makes the first move.
      • Bond is sent to investigate.
      • Bond meets Villian and shags Bond Girl #1.
      • Villian attempts to get rid of Bond.  Bond escapes.
      • Bond hooks up with Bond Girl #2.
      • Bond has violent confrontation with Villian, wherein the Villian's Top Thug and Villain are killed (usually in that order).
      • Bond and Bond Girl #2 shag or prepare to shag as the credits roll.
      • At some point, Bond Girl #1 dies.
      • Generally, Bond will have to choose between completing his mission and saving Bond Girl #2, in the end he will do both.
      Die Another Day tried to break out of that mold, but in the end, they only managed a flimsy pseudo-breakout.  The third departure that Die Another Day took was purely technical.  The direction and editing (particularly the latter) were vastly different from the previous films.  The executive crew opted for more contemporary cuts, wipes, and shot setups.  And finally, the scale of the film's villian reverted to earlier grandiosity.  After a few movies with villians ranging from a disaffected MI6 agent to a megalomaniac, media mogul who sought personal benefit over baronial goals, Die Another Day had a villian building ice palaces and firing sattelite-mounted, heat beams from a futuristic suit of electronics.  Die Another Day wasn't a bad movie, but it failed in many ways as a Bond movie.
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      « Reply #16 on: 01-04-2003 02:24 »

      Better than The World is No Enough.

      "I can't feel pain!!"
      "Can you feel this..?"
      "Ow!!"
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      « Reply #17 on: 01-05-2003 00:32 »
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      Originally posted by masTers:
      Whats the worst James Bond film in everyones opinion and why?

      It's a tie between Die Another Day and License to Kill, Die Another Day edging ahead a little bit in my opinion...

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      « Reply #18 on: 01-05-2003 12:26 »

      Worst Connery : Diamonds Are Forever
      Worst Moore: Moonraker (special mention: View To A Kill)
      Worst Dalton: Liecence to Kill
      Worst Brosnan: Die Another Day (Special mention: The World Is Not Enough)

      Many Bonds aren't bad but some I really don't enjoy much. Problem with Die Another Day, not including the title, was that every plot development was sort of "oh, okay".
      And some of the stuff kinda demanded we just accept it rather than try and make it sound reasonable.

      What would have been funny, if they really want to pay homage to the past, was that the satalite was finally destroyed right at the end credits when the DAF satalite collided with it  tongue
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      « Reply #19 on: 01-05-2003 15:17 »
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      There was a few Error's in DAD.

      masTers

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      « Reply #20 on: 01-06-2003 03:04 »

      Didnt see TWINE, but i got the DVD for xmas so i'll watch it tonight. Goldeneye was an awesome bond adventure and a DVD i watch over and over again. I found DAD to be awesome, but then again, with all bond films you really need to keep an open mind, not over analize it, and just let it run.
      CyberKnight

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      « Reply #21 on: 01-06-2003 03:12 »

      I actually like pretty much all of the Bond films, including Die Another Day - but there are some minor points of that film which annoyed me:

      1 - The theme song. For one thing, it kept stopping and starting.

      2 - The way the camera kept jumping into fast and slow motion, in a sort of cheap, lazy "Matrix" kind of way.

      I think my least favourite Bond would have to be For Your Eyes Only.
      Archie2K

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      « Reply #22 on: 01-06-2003 07:24 »

      I find it hard to name a worst, but I found Moonraker rather dull, and I think it was Octupussy aswell rather boring.

      Die Another Day is probably Brosnan's worst to date. TND was more action oriented, TWINE was more story oriented, and DAD had a bit of both, but neither really did it for me. Goldeneye was definately his best, and one of my favourites ever.

      Haven't seen OHMSS yet, though it does sound ultra-corney.
      Zed 85

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      « Reply #23 on: 01-06-2003 15:03 »

      It's not, if anything, it's one of the true-est-to-the-actual-books of any one of them. If James Bond marrying sounds corny, take it up with Ian Flemming (if that were possible)
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      « Reply #24 on: 01-06-2003 15:51 »

      I actually Have a Ian Flemming Bond Book.The original Live and let die.
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      « Reply #25 on: 01-06-2003 15:58 »

      The bond in his books was an Uber Bastard, woman beater, not a nice chap at all.

      I'd say OHMSS because I haven't tried to watch it ever, maybe just cos of Lazenby.
      phoenixie

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      « Reply #26 on: 01-07-2003 22:17 »

      sean connery is the best Bond end of story.
      Peirce brosnan is too interested in skirt chasing to pose a threat to anyone (pardoning the girl- STD's and all)
      Moon raker was by far the worst Bond film but i hardly see how die another Day could be considered a Bond film at all. its some boring hollywood special effects movie now.
      James Bond is something i used to love but am now disgusted with.
      masTers

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      « Reply #27 on: 01-09-2003 20:01 »

      For anyone who has seen OHMSS does Lazenby have an Aussie accent or does he have an english one?
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      « Reply #28 on: 01-10-2003 00:56 »

      They keep trying to "update" bond, he's "too old for the younger generation," and all that crap. Well, the "younger generation" just likes seeing stuff get blown up. Translation? "Die Another Day." They tried to make Bond more vulnerable. That they did, but they never gave the movie a chance to let that part of the plot line expand. I say the next Bond movie should be darker, like a "Batman Returns" darker. Maybe show that Bond isn't all Mr.-Nice-Spy, that he's got some damn disturbing thoughts under all that charm. Make him more, how shall I say this?...[Dr. Evil]evil? *does pinky thing*[/Dr. Evil]But obviously not the villain. Maybe just make it so he doesn't defeat the bad guy and save the world, like in Farscape. Although, if they could actually think of a plot, Bond being villainous would be kick-ass...

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      masTers

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      « Reply #29 on: 01-10-2003 02:10 »

      He nearly was in Die Another Day when he got all pissed with Engerland, but the Agent gone bad deal has been done in Goldeneye. Alougth if anyone could distroy the world, it would be Bond....
      Zed 85

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      « Reply #30 on: 01-10-2003 05:00 »

       
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      Originally posted by masTers:
      For anyone who has seen OHMSS does Lazenby have an Aussie accent or does he have an english one?

      "G'day Miss Moneypanny! Ow's M?" j/k  tongue

      Nah, he really tries for a British accent here, and mostly gets away with it.  smile
       


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      « Reply #31 on: 01-10-2003 08:16 »

       
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      Originally posted by phoenixie:
      sean connery is the best Bond end of story.
      Peirce brosnan is too interested in skirt chasing to pose a threat to anyone (pardoning the girl- STD's and all)
      Moon raker was by far the worst Bond film but i hardly see how die another Day could be considered a Bond film at all. its some boring hollywood special effects movie now.
      James Bond is something i used to love but am now disgusted with.
      *Sends Sean Connery to slap her for the non-use of the caps buttons*
      Lowercase I's are nothing to laugh at.Unless someone's getting hurt.


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      « Reply #32 on: 01-10-2003 08:20 »

       
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       *Sends Sean Connery to slap her for the non-use of the caps buttons*
      Lowercase I's are nothing to laugh at.Unless someone's getting hurt.
      Oh the irony.
      Teral

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      « Reply #33 on: 01-10-2003 10:44 »

      Listen to him, he's Lord Upper-case, the King of CapsLock, the Count of Grammar and the Hentai Leader.  tongue
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      « Reply #34 on: 01-12-2003 20:56 »
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      Now everyone should stop being so damn rough on Die Another Day, it had Halle Berry in it and that's good enough for me, plus the action sequences were mad, reminescent of Triple X (Vin Disel) which let's face it was Bond's open competitor.

      I will admit Berry and the action were what saved it, I'm starting to get a little sceptical as to wether there is anything Bond CAN'T do (strike out with women comes to mind though) I mean what kind of goddamn training school do British spys go to?

      Anyway I did have an actual point to what movie was the worst, I've seen all of them I think, I'd go with OHMSS.

      And also I'm not standing for this bit about Moonraker was bad either, in fact I only watched it a couple of night's ago and Jaws being my favourite henchmen of all time seeing him end up happy is belissimo. (also the backstory, something to do with virus and space or something was alright)
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      « Reply #35 on: 01-13-2003 01:33 »

       
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      Listen to him, he's Lord Upper-case, the King of CapsLock, the Count of Grammar and the Hentai Leader.   tongue
      *Ego swells*


      masTers

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      « Reply #36 on: 01-13-2003 01:50 »

      Oddjob is the best henchman!
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      « Reply #37 on: 01-13-2003 16:46 »

      No,Tee-Hee ownz you!!.
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      « Reply #38 on: 01-13-2003 17:25 »

      The worst thing the filmmakers did, was killing Blofeld in "For your eyes only". After that they always to create a new supervillian and mostly came up with dull ones.


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      « Reply #39 on: 01-13-2003 18:31 »

       
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      Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot:
      They keep trying to "update" bond, he's "too old for the younger generation," and all that crap.

      I believe i'm young enough to qualify as the 'younger generation' and i felt that Die Another Day wasn't that great, but thought that Goldeneye (without too much destruction) was one of the best. I couldn't stand a film which was just explosions with no plot.

       
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      Originally posted by Britz
      Now everyone should stop being so damn rough on Die Another Day, it had Halle Berry in it and that's good enough for me, plus the action sequences were mad, reminescent of Triple X (Vin Disel) which let's face it was Bond's open competitor.

      I can't see how you can say that Die Another Day was saved by Halle Berry and the action sequences. That is the worst thing to say about a film in my opinion.

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