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Nurdbot
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Towers.I haven't seen it but I know it's going to be good.
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DrThunder88
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Spoken like someone who never jumps to conclusions. I've never been a big fan of the LOTR series, and I'm still boycotting the new Star Wars movies on matters of principle.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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what matters of principle? The fact that George Lucas is better off making a war movie, but only if he directs just the battle scenes?
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ZombieJesus
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Lord of the Rings. Duh.
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ZombieJesus
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Originally posted by Venus: on the basis of plot Harry Potter was better on the basis of technical achievements LOTR wins... vs. Originally posted by wu_konguk: LotR Two towers has to be really since it has a stronger story behind it than the other two have combined. ?..Well I suppose you could add that Lotr is a classic, and HP isn't (yet?)
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Nixorbo
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In terms of improvement over the first movie:
I've never brought myself to care about Harry Potter one lick, haven't touched a book or come within a hundred yards of seeing the movie, so I'm probably not the best judge.
Two Towers was not all that much better than Fellowship, but that's like saying that Wayne Gretzky was not all that much better than Mario Lemieux.
Star Wars Episode 2 was a vast improvement over Ep1, but that's not really saying all that much, now is it?
But Two Towers was by far and away the best movie on the list.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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Morals-wise, Plot-wise, character-wise, everything-wise, LOTR wins hands down. Harry Potter gets away with everything, doesn't get reprimanded, and only defeats his nemesis because his dead mom's ghost tells him what to do. He's a damn jock! If Harry Potter was the one who carried the One Ring, we'd be doomed immediately cuz we'd know he'd never even make it 10 paces out of Rivendell before he put the damn thing on just as a prank to "freak out everybody." He'd take one glance at the Ringwraiths , freak the fuck out, and give em the ring. Now, Frodo doesn't exactly want to do what he volunteered to do, but he has the sense to fight till the end, to finish what he started. He doesn't give up hope, even when it looks like there is no hope left anywhere. That is why LOTR is so much more powerful than Harry Potter. Even though it's been around longer than Harry Potter, LOTR has more than one underlying messages, two main ones being "No matter how small and insignificant it seems you are in this world, you can still change the course of history," and "Do not give up hope, even if it seems hope itself has given up." And that's why LOTR wins, hands down. I hope all of you enjoyed this educational and boring lecture.
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Guy
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Star wars. I haven't seen Two Towers.
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Teral
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As brilliant as Mace Windu and the Yoda-Dokuu fight was, The Two Towers when in all categories.
TTT, awesome fightscenes, brilliant used of CGI, lots of sense of epic storytelling, good visuals.
AOTC had a whiny Anakin Skywalker.
Can't comment on HP, as I've never gotten into that.
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by Teral: whiny Anakin Skywalker. The term "Like father, like son" springs to mind.
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Loki
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Maybe we should make a poll "War and Peace" vs "Tin Man"..?
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codefish
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Lord of The Rings: Two Towers = best goddamn movie EVER! As a computer graphics & effects fetishist, I nearly wet myself in excitement during some of the epic scenes in that film.
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ZombieJesus
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The theater I went to had THX sound and it seriously ruled. Whenever the Uruk-Hai stomped their feet it felt like a real earthquake.
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Nurdbot
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Two Towers:Original,Best ever use of Graphic's,Exelent sound,Action and Humor.
Harry Potter:Cash Cow,Up there with the Sim's and the new Star War's films.
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TheMadCapper
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I'm a LOTR purist. I can understand cutting Tom Bombadil out of the first movie. Time constraints.
But I disliked the way they screwed around with things in TTT. The ents decided at entmoot to attack Saruman in the book. So they should have, in the movie. No reason for the way they changed that. And there's Arwen/Aragorn stuff happening that was never in the book. And then chopping off the fight with Shelob.... leaving Shelob for the next movie?! Makes me very angry. And the breaking of Saruman's staff. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's also at the end of the second book. Well, at least there were oliphants.
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Loki
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No doubt, Harry Potter was vanished into the Void where he spend his day in endless agony, playing in poker with Morgot and Luke Skywalker. Rest in peace young hexer…
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by TheMadCapper: And there's Arwen/Aragorn stuff happening that was never in the book. Technically, it was, as it was in the Appendices, which are in the back of Return of the King. I think it will be interesting to see how much other stuff from the appendices they manage to stick in there - mostly stuff that happens after the books. And then chopping off the fight with Shelob.... leaving Shelob for the next movie?! Makes me very angry. Where they left off was fine with me - plenty of dramatic tension, the movie had already gone on for three hours, etc . . . And the breaking of Saruman's staff. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's also at the end of the second book.
Which we didn't get to in the first place, so the point is moot. Don't forget, Gandalf's staff was supposed to break in Moria, but that didn't happen. The part that I was most upset about was Helm's Deep, or at least the conclusion of it. The trees were supposed to come and wipe out the orcs. I had waited for that the entire battle, but forgot about it.
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DrThunder88
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot: what matters of principle? Jake Lloyd sucks. I don't think anyone who doesn't posess the intelligence to drive a car should be allowed to act in a major motion picture, particularly one that carries with it the grand tradition of Star Wars. Also, Jar Jar Binks was incredibly annoying. The movie would've lost nothing by making him less irritating to look at or listen to. Also, I don't really like the idea of midi-chlorians. I think it's a rather large letdown to have Force-attunement explained scientifically. To me it's like saying that people have God-particles in them, but prophets have higher levels of those God-particles and Jesus was conceved entirely by the will of the particles. Frankly, I would have liked to have gotten into the new Star Wars hype, but what I've seen of the first film sort of ruined it for me.
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TheMadCapper
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Nix.... Ralph said that was ANOTHER orc army that ran into a forest. A forest that wasn't Fangorn.
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Nixorbo
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Wrong, bucko. Check the end of the chapter entitled "Helm's Deep."
"The land had changed. Where before the green dale had lain, its grassy slopes lapping the ever-mounting hills, there now a forest loomed. . . . Between the Dike and the eaves of the nameless wood only two open furlongs lay. There now cowered the proud hosts of Saruman, in terror of the king and in terror of the trees. . . . Wailing they passed under the waiting shadow of the trees; and from that shadow none ever came again."
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TheMadCapper
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You'd think I'd know better than to believe what Ralph says. Good research, Nixypoo.
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