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Kronikalaxe
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i think the simpsons is great, but then again i've been watching it for almost 15 years so its been a part of my life for awhile. Sure some episodes aren't great, but atleast everything about the show hasn't gone downhill. Now dont even get me started on the movie, oh my flop. that was a huge mistake. I've seen much much funnier episodes that i would've rather seen on the big screen as opposed to that movie. Like the chili cookoff or the frying game with the screaming caterpillar. And as for futurama, I can honestly say i like every single episode and the movies are growing on me.
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transgender nerd under canada
DOOP Ubersecretary
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Are the older episodes actually that much better? Or is it possible that we're looking at it through biased eyes?
There's a test. Show older eps t people who have only seen newer eps, and try to guage their reaction before you ask them which they found to be of a better standard. Of course, since the average person is as stupid as they are ugly, they'll probably fail to see a drop in quality. So it's a flawed test. We really need a robot.
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Phil K
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The Simpsons have had a number of awful shows (the abysmal one on catholicism for one. Became quite offensive and anti-Protestant in the end. I suspect the writer got carried away with his own bigotry) and the dreadful "Bonfire of the Manatees" But Family Guy and Futurama have had their bad episodes. Family Guy percenatage of bad shows is far greater than the Simpsons, and Futurama is no better, percentage wise. More episodes, more bad ones. What I will say is Futurama and Family Guy have done far better than the Simpsons on full length shows. The atrocious Simpsons movie is light years behind Futurama's two so far with the third said to be better again. Family Guy's has been enjoyable. The obsession in the Simpsons movie with an Oirish character (the worst I have ever seen in the Simpsons by the way) made me wonder if it was the same writer responsible for that episode I started this reply with......
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Phil K
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I disagree that Futurama is no better percentage wise, I think the Simpsons has been poor as long as it has been good now,
Personal opinion of course, but I disagree. Futurama has been on for 4 seasons, right ? How many of the Simpsons first four were considered awful ? Very few. All the complaints were of series 16 onwards. Futurama has a way to go before it can be matched in a like and even manner Saying that, I LOVE Futurama.
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Phil K
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« Reply #308 on: 10-02-2008 08:59 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2008 09:00 »
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Whilst it was brilliant at it's peak (though never quite as good as Futurama) humour wise it's almost unrecognisable now compared to how it used to be.
"Jumped the shark" is a new one on me ! But note - "Brilliant at its peak" - Futurama is at the same stage - just beginning. Therefore its bound to be fresh and original and new. It'll go down the same route once at the same stage as the Simpsons. Theres been great episodes even now of the Simpsons - but there has been a lot of dross, yes. But dross with the Simpsons is still watchable Again, your opinion and mine. The most volatile on the subject are the fans criticising new episodes. If it wasn't selling, there wouldn't be a series 20 (the latest is a bit weak too - but watchable) To me American TV is awful (not that I rate our own UK TV much better these days) some mind numbingly appalling, yet these 3 (while enjoying American Dad, too) are to me unmissable. Futurama is great from any direction, and I like the characters none are irritating as in both the others. But it WILL come a little further down the line, if it comes back as a regular series and I hope it does. Where we will have "Oh, they're not as good as in series 1-4 - they should stop it....." Critics have been saying this since series 5 on the Simpsons and it goes from strength to strength, while the critics shout louder.... "Bend her" was embarrassingly bad. And yes, it had many funny parts - small smiles more than laughs. Similar in fact to what its like with the majority of Simpsons now. I stop now by saying did you ever see the South park episode "Simpsons already did it" ? That sums it all up. Family Guy have copied the Simpsons every way, every episode just about. Not many subjects or jokes to tell now ! Yet they still come up with good ones like "Dial N for Nurder" and "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind" both i watch occasionally. Just like the (to me) best Futurama - the one with giant bees and Fry being dead. Lets just hope Futurama has the chance to go on to be complained about after 19 series, eh ?
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Slurm
Bending Unit
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I disagree that Futurama is no better percentage wise, I think the Simpsons has been poor as long as it has been good now,
Personal opinion of course, but I disagree. Futurama has been on for 4 seasons, right ? How many of the Simpsons first four were considered awful ? Very few. All the complaints were of series 16 onwards. Futurama has a way to go before it can be matched in a like and even manner Saying that, I LOVE Futurama.
Well if you are only going to compare the 1st 4 seasons of the Simpsons to futurama then the quality ratio is probably similar to Futurama although I'd give the edge to Futurama, Simpsons season 1 was only ok, 2 was better but it didn't really hit its stride till season 3 or 4. I also think the Simpsons was well past its best long before Season 16, for me it started to slip in season 8, still a great season but a notch lower than 7, 9 was still good but the drop in quality was noticeable, 10 was only ok and it was been poor IMO from season 11 onwards
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Phil K
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I buy the series almost religously (from someone so anti-religion too !) But I always wait until the price halves on the net from £29 at the cheapest to £14.50 much later. I won't be getting the Krusty covered one 'til well after Christmas. Enjoying the later episodes of American dad recently to be honest. Never thought I would. Odd they have an Englishman as chief controller of the CIA though (the excellent Patrick Stewart of all people !)
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Phil K
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« Reply #316 on: 10-09-2008 21:56 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2008 22:09 »
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I'm pretty sure that if you were offended by that episode, then you're the bigot.
I'm CERTAIN you're an idiot. However, I'll explain in words of one syllable so you can understand - it started fairly amusing, the interplay etc (sorry two syllables there) and then started down a Catholic v Protestant path which I don't like, (I presume you thought the St Patricks day one a while back, where Bart gets drunk, with the blowing up of a "British" Fish and Chip shop was funny, eh ?) then it left amusement behind in it's digs at one side, while seeming to promote the other. I also think the Irish character in the Simpsons movie is the worst EVER in the Simpsons - do you want to get on your hypocritical high horse for that too, pal ? David A, eh ? A what ? (I can think of a few things, mind you) It's kind of hard for the simpsons to be controversial these days, first because of more controversial shows like south park, family guy, it's always sunny, etc, and second since it takes over 6 months to produce an episode, they can't tackle current events as quickly as sp or snl, so if they do an episode on a controversial topic, it has to be a long running issue like religion or gay marriage
FAR more sensible contribution - agree 100% here. But often I think it's trying to appeal to certain types and lost its track. Attacking "issues" ad naseum is NOT what The Simpsons is supposed to be about, I don't believe anyways. Family Guy likes rubbing EVERYONE up the wrong way. American dad even more so. Even when dealing with the tiresome "issues" it seems to sneer at them,. and treat them with contempt. Hell - these are cartoons for God's sake ! Simpsons used to do that, but seem to have lost their way in this respect.
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