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Curious Gorge

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« Reply #280 on: 09-25-2008 17:40 »

The Simpsons used to be brilliant (though never quite as good as Futurama) but somewhere around season 10 it completely lost it's way and has been getting progressively worse ever since.

It's absolutely dreadful now, when the post season 10 episodes come on I usually try and give them a chance due to the vain hope that they might recapture the humour of the classic episodes only to find myself switching off after ten minutes...it really is awful these days.

That's actually one of the reasons that if ITWGY provides a satisfactory ending to the show (in my eyes at least) I won't be too bothered as to whether there's anymore Futurama after it. It'll have had a great run and will have finished on a high...everything has a sell by date and I'd hate to see Futurama end up like the Simpsons did due to it carrying on for too long.
Kronikalaxe

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« Reply #281 on: 09-25-2008 19:39 »

i think the simpsons is great, but then again i've been watching it for almost 15 years so its been a part of my life for awhile. Sure some episodes aren't great, but atleast everything about the show hasn't gone downhill. Now dont even get me started on the movie, oh my flop. that was a huge mistake. I've seen much much funnier episodes that i would've rather seen on the big screen as opposed to that movie. Like the chili cookoff or the frying game with the screaming caterpillar. And as for futurama, I can honestly say i like every single episode and the movies are growing on me.
winna

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« Reply #282 on: 09-26-2008 07:30 »

Are the older episodes actually that much better?  Or is it possible that we're looking at it through biased eyes?
x.Bianca.x

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« Reply #283 on: 09-26-2008 08:34 »

The old eps are better.
M0le

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« Reply #284 on: 09-26-2008 09:32 »

Are the older episodes actually that much better?  Or is it possible that we're looking at it through biased eyes?

You can borrow mine when I finish using them... promise me you won't use them for looking at gay stuff, though! no no
Curious Gorge

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« Reply #285 on: 09-26-2008 12:44 »

Are the older episodes actually that much better?  Or is it possible that we're looking at it through biased eyes?

No, the episodes in seasons 2-10 are clearly better than those that followed on from Season 11 onwards.

The show is pretty pathetic these days.
Vanguard20

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« Reply #286 on: 09-26-2008 18:03 »

http://www.nohomers.net/showpost.php?p=2055053&postcount=609

*facepalm*
Curious Gorge

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« Reply #287 on: 09-26-2008 18:07 »


Tune in next week when Homer invents a breakfast cereal that mutates and starts to consume the entire world.
iceiwynd

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« Reply #288 on: 09-26-2008 19:02 »

Honestly - yeah, okay, that one sounds kind of, um, retarded (but I'm still giving it a shot 'cause it's a Bart episode and I love Bart), but a number of the other episodes listed elsewhere in that thread actually don't sound half-bad. Amazingly enough for a show that's gone on this long, it isn't the ideas that are the big problem, since it would seem they can still come up with some pretty good ones - it's the execution.
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #289 on: 09-26-2008 20:46 »

I've watched some of the newer episodes online (season 11 onward). From I've see they make one good and/or ok episode a year anymore and the other ones are pure shit.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #290 on: 09-26-2008 21:09 »

Are the older episodes actually that much better?  Or is it possible that we're looking at it through biased eyes?

There's a test. Show older eps t people who have only seen newer eps, and try to guage their reaction before you ask them which they found to be of a better standard.

Of course, since the average person is as stupid as they are ugly, they'll probably fail to see a drop in quality. So it's a flawed test. We really need a robot.
winna

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« Reply #291 on: 09-26-2008 22:53 »


That episode sounds pretty crazy and whacky!  I'm definitely going to tune in; thanks for the heads up Vanguard20! big grin
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #292 on: 09-27-2008 02:41 »
« Last Edit on: 09-27-2008 02:43 »

Ever since the local news decided to whore their way into the timeslot for the Simpsons, I've quit watching it for the most part. They kept playing the same few episodes anyways.
tyraniak

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« Reply #293 on: 09-27-2008 06:38 »

yeah, my local station got in the bad habit of constantly repeating season 17 and 18, now they're showing better episodes, but I still stopped watching since I recently watched the good seasons on DVD to compensate for the shitty syndicated ones
winna

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« Reply #294 on: 09-27-2008 12:59 »

Have you listened to the commentaries on the season 1 & 2 discs?  It's boring as hell...

Wahh wahh... I want golden era simpsons.  It was boring and that's how I liked it... I don't even actually remember what happened.  Bleeding gums murphy and Ned Flanders bitch wife... let me cry about it some more.  I need a tissue to run the shit out my nose... season 12 ruined the whole thing.... I only like certain executive producers... they should have stopped at season 15.... no more stories left... when does family guy come on.  wahhh wahhh.... baby needs her bottle.... I already told you, I'm not Xena, I'm Lucy Lawless.... Halloween isn't over until the Simpsons halloween premiers even though it used to come on Halloween if not before... the writers won't read my fanscript... I can't sleep well at night.... the season 8 dvds come out tomorrow... sky won't play my favourite episode.... the syndication episodes aren't good... there are enough episodes to watch a different one each day of the year.... the simpsons have gone on long enough... behind the laughter
Vanguard20

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« Reply #295 on: 09-27-2008 17:46 »


That episode sounds pretty crazy and whacky!  I'm definitely going to tune in; thanks for the heads up Vanguard20! big grin

Did you even read what I linked? I mean, honestly, Lenny winning the lottery?!
Vanguard20

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« Reply #296 on: 09-27-2008 17:47 »

Have you listened to the commentaries on the season 1 & 2 discs?  It's boring as hell...

Wahh wahh... I want golden era simpsons.  It was boring and that's how I liked it... I don't even actually remember what happened.  Bleeding gums murphy and Ned Flanders bitch wife... let me cry about it some more.  I need a tissue to run the shit out my nose... season 12 ruined the whole thing.... I only like certain executive producers... they should have stopped at season 15.... no more stories left... when does family guy come on.  wahhh wahhh.... baby needs her bottle.... I already told you, I'm not Xena, I'm Lucy Lawless.... Halloween isn't over until the Simpsons halloween premiers even though it used to come on Halloween if not before... the writers won't read my fanscript... I can't sleep well at night.... the season 8 dvds come out tomorrow... sky won't play my favourite episode.... the syndication episodes aren't good... there are enough episodes to watch a different one each day of the year.... the simpsons have gone on long enough... behind the laughter

Grow up.
Gopher

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« Reply #297 on: 09-27-2008 18:59 »

You grow up. You enjoyed the simpsons for years or you wouldn't be bitching. Just accept that you enjoyed it for years and stop bitching. Bitching that the simpsons has changed and isn't as good anymore is a lot like bitching that your ex is still a cheating bitch and a whore years after the divorce is finalized. Except in that case, there can be genuine emotional and financial distress which make it hard to move on while the simpsons is a fucking tv show. Think it's shit? Fine, stop watching and buying the dvds.

Honestly, I think there's a bit of the howard stern effect going on, millions of people tuning in every week just so they can be informed when they bitch about how shit it was.
tyraniak

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« Reply #298 on: 09-27-2008 21:11 »

I'm still a huge fan of the show and watch the new episodes on a weekly basis, I was just saying that the earlier seasons have much more replay value than the current ones.  I'm still incredibly amazed by and proud of the fact that the simpsons has been on the air for such a long time, and I also feel glad to know that I contributed a great deal in making it part of television history
Gopher

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« Reply #299 on: 09-27-2008 21:22 »

tyraniak: the only thing you actually seemed to be bitching about was your local network running 17 & 18 on a loop - which is pretty common when a network syndicating a show gets a new batch of episodes - and that I'm fine with. big grin I was mainly addressing vanguard.
La Belle Leela

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« Reply #300 on: 09-28-2008 01:18 »

Up here, they don't run the last 3 seasons in a loop, they tend to run a theme every week, and air the episodes accordingly.
Vanguard20

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« Reply #301 on: 09-29-2008 17:09 »

You grow up. You enjoyed the simpsons for years or you wouldn't be bitching. Just accept that you enjoyed it for years and stop bitching. Bitching that the simpsons has changed and isn't as good anymore is a lot like bitching that your ex is still a cheating bitch and a whore years after the divorce is finalized. Except in that case, there can be genuine emotional and financial distress which make it hard to move on while the simpsons is a fucking tv show. Think it's shit? Fine, stop watching and buying the dvds.

Honestly, I think there's a bit of the howard stern effect going on, millions of people tuning in every week just so they can be informed when they bitch about how shit it was.

I'm sorry, who are you? Who gave you the authority to tell me what to do? If I want to complain about the Simpsons I will. And I do. So there.

*blows Rasberry*
tyraniak

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« Reply #302 on: 09-29-2008 17:35 »

back to the sries itself, I was quite impressed by last night's premiere, I thiught the Homer and Ned bounty hunter duo was great, the erotic cake subplot was OK, some of the cake/sex puns weren't all that great, all in all, it was much better than last years premiere, so let's hope this season continues that momentum
Phil K

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« Reply #303 on: 09-30-2008 16:45 »

The Simpsons have had a number of awful shows (the abysmal one on catholicism for one. Became quite offensive and anti-Protestant in the end. I suspect the writer got carried away with his own bigotry) and the dreadful "Bonfire of the Manatees"
But Family Guy and Futurama have had their bad episodes.
Family Guy percenatage of bad shows is far greater than the Simpsons, and Futurama is no better, percentage wise.
More episodes, more bad ones.
What I will say is Futurama and Family Guy have done far better than the Simpsons on full length shows.
The atrocious Simpsons movie is light years behind Futurama's two so far with the third said to be better again. Family Guy's has been enjoyable.
The obsession in the Simpsons movie with an Oirish character (the worst I have ever seen in the Simpsons by the way) made me wonder if it was the same writer responsible for that episode I started this reply with......
Slurm

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« Reply #304 on: 09-30-2008 17:41 »

I disagree that Futurama is no better percentage wise, I think the Simpsons has been poor as long as it has been good now, I'd give it about a 50-50  good:bad ratio whilst futurama IMO is about a 85:15, that been said I think the best of the Simpsons was just a tad better than the best of Futurama but it has definitely had a higher percentage of awful eps
tyraniak

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« Reply #305 on: 09-30-2008 18:21 »

Futurama had a more quality run and much better ratio of good to bad episodes, Simpsons and FG both have about 50:50 or worse
Phil K

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« Reply #306 on: 10-01-2008 12:30 »

I disagree that Futurama is no better percentage wise, I think the Simpsons has been poor as long as it has been good now,
Personal opinion of course, but I disagree.
Futurama has been on for 4 seasons, right ?
How many of the Simpsons first four were considered awful ?
Very few.
All the complaints were of series 16 onwards.
Futurama has a way to go before it can be matched in a like and even manner
Saying that, I LOVE Futurama.
Curious Gorge

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« Reply #307 on: 10-01-2008 12:45 »

Whilst Futurama has had some relatively disappointing episodes there hasn't been a single episode of Futurama that hasn't at least made me laugh out loud a couple of times. I consider 'Bend Her' the weakest episode but even that had a couple of golden moments.

Moving onto the Simpsons however and you'd do well to find a post season 10 episode that even makes me chuckle slightly. Whilst it was brilliant at it's peak (though never quite as good as Futurama) humour wise it's almost unrecognisable now compared to how it used to be. It jumped the shark a long time ago and it's being getting progressively worse ever since.

And it's a damn shame if truth be known.
Phil K

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« Reply #308 on: 10-02-2008 08:59 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2008 09:00 »

Whilst it was brilliant at it's peak (though never quite as good as Futurama) humour wise it's almost unrecognisable now compared to how it used to be.
"Jumped the shark" is a new one on me !
But note - "Brilliant at its peak" - Futurama is at the same stage - just beginning.
Therefore its bound to be fresh and original and new. It'll go down the same route once at the same stage as the Simpsons.
Theres been great episodes even now of the Simpsons - but there has been a lot of dross, yes. But dross with the Simpsons is still watchable
Again, your opinion and mine.
The most volatile on the subject are the fans criticising new episodes.
If it wasn't selling, there wouldn't be a series 20 (the latest is a bit weak too - but watchable)
To me American TV is awful (not that I rate our own UK TV much better these days) some mind numbingly appalling, yet these 3 (while enjoying American Dad, too) are to me unmissable. Futurama is great from any direction, and I like the characters none are irritating as in both the others.
But it WILL come a little further down the line, if it comes back as a regular series and I hope it does. Where we will have "Oh, they're not as good as in series 1-4 - they should stop it....." Critics have been saying this since series 5 on the Simpsons and it goes from strength to strength, while the critics shout louder....

"Bend her" was embarrassingly bad.  And yes, it had many funny parts - small smiles more than laughs. Similar in fact to what its like with the majority of Simpsons now.
I stop now by saying did you ever see the South park episode "Simpsons already did it" ?
That sums it all up.
Family Guy have copied the Simpsons every way, every episode just about.
Not many subjects or jokes to tell now ! Yet they still come up with good ones like "Dial N for Nurder" and "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind" both i watch occasionally. Just like the (to me) best Futurama - the one with giant bees and Fry being dead.
Lets just hope Futurama has the chance to go on to be complained about after 19 series, eh ?
Slurm

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« Reply #309 on: 10-02-2008 19:47 »

I disagree that Futurama is no better percentage wise, I think the Simpsons has been poor as long as it has been good now,
Personal opinion of course, but I disagree.
Futurama has been on for 4 seasons, right ?
How many of the Simpsons first four were considered awful ?
Very few.
All the complaints were of series 16 onwards.
Futurama has a way to go before it can be matched in a like and even manner
Saying that, I LOVE Futurama.
Well if you are only going to compare the 1st 4 seasons of the Simpsons to futurama then the quality ratio is probably similar to Futurama although I'd give the edge to Futurama, Simpsons season 1 was only ok, 2 was better but it didn't really hit its stride till season 3 or 4.
I also think the Simpsons was well past its best long before Season 16, for me it started to slip in season 8, still a great season but a notch lower than 7, 9 was still good but the drop in quality was noticeable, 10 was only ok and it was been poor IMO from season 11 onwards
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #310 on: 10-03-2008 06:20 »
« Last Edit on: 10-03-2008 06:23 »

I just watched the new episode and I didn't know what I was watching.

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also I saw this on youtube and it was better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
Phil K

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« Reply #311 on: 10-06-2008 11:33 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2008 11:38 »

homerjaysimpson - I agree about the latest episode, another poor one - and I THOROUGHLY agree with your YouTube link - BRILLIANT (and accurate ! ;-))
Wonder if thats going to be in the next one ?

slurm - if you're going to compare like with like you HAVE to match up with the first four. And doing that, they're at a similar level.
Just watched the latest Family Guy.
VERY poor, bad story etc, but some unconnected-to-main-story very funny parts, and just as many UNfunny unconnected bits.
Typical inconsistent Family Guy in fact (Lust after Lois though ! Wasn't enough of her in this episode)
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #312 on: 10-08-2008 01:07 »

My parents bought season 11 because I didn't want to. They don't used the book format to hold the DVDs. Now they something even worse sleeves.
Phil K

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« Reply #313 on: 10-08-2008 11:30 »

I buy the series almost religously (from someone so anti-religion too !)
But I always wait until the price halves on the net from 29 at the cheapest to 14.50 much later. I won't be getting the Krusty covered one 'til well after Christmas.
Enjoying the later episodes of American dad recently to be honest. Never thought I would.
Odd they have an Englishman as chief controller of the CIA though (the excellent Patrick Stewart of all people !)
David A

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« Reply #314 on: 10-08-2008 15:35 »

The Simpsons have had a number of awful shows (the abysmal one on catholicism for one. Became quite offensive and anti-Protestant in the end. I suspect the writer got carried away with his own bigotry)

I'm pretty sure that if you were offended by that episode, then you're the bigot.
tyraniak

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« Reply #315 on: 10-08-2008 19:19 »

It's kind of hard for the simpsons to be controversial these days, first because of more controversial shows like south park, family guy, it's always sunny, etc, and second since it takes over 6 months to produce an episode, they can't tackle current events as quickly as sp or snl, so if they do an episode on a controversial topic, it has to be a long running issue like religion or gay marriage
Phil K

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« Reply #316 on: 10-09-2008 21:56 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2008 22:09 »

I'm pretty sure that if you were offended by that episode, then you're the bigot.
I'm CERTAIN you're an idiot.

However, I'll explain in words of one syllable so you can understand - it started fairly amusing, the interplay etc (sorry two syllables there) and then started down a Catholic v Protestant path which I don't like, (I presume you thought the St Patricks day one a while back, where Bart gets drunk, with the blowing up of a "British" Fish and Chip shop was funny, eh ?) then it left amusement behind in it's digs at one side, while seeming to promote the other.

I also think the Irish character in the Simpsons movie is the worst EVER in the Simpsons - do you want to get on your hypocritical high horse for that too, pal ?

David A, eh ? A what ? (I can think of a few things, mind you)

It's kind of hard for the simpsons to be controversial these days, first because of more controversial shows like south park, family guy, it's always sunny, etc, and second since it takes over 6 months to produce an episode, they can't tackle current events as quickly as sp or snl, so if they do an episode on a controversial topic, it has to be a long running issue like religion or gay marriage
FAR more sensible contribution - agree 100% here.
But often I think it's trying to appeal to certain types and lost its track. Attacking "issues" ad naseum is NOT what The Simpsons is supposed to be about, I don't believe anyways.
Family Guy likes rubbing EVERYONE up the wrong way. American dad even more so. Even when dealing with the tiresome "issues" it seems to sneer at them,. and treat them with contempt. Hell - these are cartoons for God's sake !
Simpsons used to do that, but seem to have lost their way in this respect.
BirthdayClown

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« Reply #317 on: 10-09-2008 22:42 »

Jesus Christ...
M0le

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« Reply #318 on: 10-10-2008 08:46 »



LET'S TEAR THIS PLACE APAAAART
Gopher

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« Reply #319 on: 10-10-2008 08:53 »
« Last Edit on: 10-10-2008 08:54 »

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However, I'll explain in words of one syllable so you can understand

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it started fairly amusing, the interplay etc (sorry two syllables there) and then started down a Catholic v Protestant path which I don't like, (I presume you thought the St Patricks day one a while back, where Bart gets drunk, with the blowing up of a "British" Fish and Chip shop was funny, eh ?) then it left amusement behind in it's digs at one side, while seeming to promote the other.

You suck at speaking in one-syllable words. laff
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