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I personally liked Insurection and Nemesis. Definitely not as good as the awesomeness that is Wrath of Khan and Star Trek IV, but they still had that classic Next Generation chemistry that we all love so much...
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama: I also don't quite get why people hate V so much. Row row row your boat ...
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Nasty Pasty
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Hey, at least ST V gave us the immortal hover boots...
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« Reply #49 on: 04-24-2006 16:46 »
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty: I'm all for saving Star Trek in a way. Despite death threats from Teral, I will say that Enterprise was incredible. Actually I never saw many episodes of Enterprise. After initially watching a few rather lackluster season 1 episodes (can't even remember which ones anymore), I refused to undergo another V'Ger-like nightmare of disappointment upon disappointment and stopped watching. So anything after season 1 is a big mystery to me. It might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, it might also just look good compared to V'Ger and season 1, it might even suck, suffice to say Trek peaked with DS9 (note: opinionmayormaynotbefactbutmo stlikelyis) Anyway, about the new movie... I don't like it! I have a nagging feeling this will be the coup de grāce for the franchise. The last 6-7 years it has been in steady decline starting with the bland and boring Voyager ending with the catastrophic Nemesis. Trying to revitalize it be making yet another feature film is foolhardy at best. Out of the 10 movies only 3 (II, IV and VIII) have been succesful (I'd call VI borderlining), the rest vary from bland (I) to horrible (V). The inevitable conclusion is that ST isn't suited for the big screen. Why should XI be any different? The complex ST universe lend itself easier to a string of different stories, than one grand epic. So take the 150 mill dollar and make a new (non-prequel) tvseries and this time take your time to develop it properly and then stick to your basic premise. About the plot of the new movie: Nope, not good. Nimoy and Shatner own those two characters, any actor who try to step in their footsteps will be compared and found wanting, no matter how brilliant they perform. What make Spock and Kirk so memorable wasn't so much the characters, but how Shatner and Nimoy portrayed them, IMO ( @ CK). Plus what kind of plot-suspense can they even build under those circumstances? We know Spock and Kirk will survive. We know they will become friends. We know they will graduate. Basically the only unknown is how many redshirts will buy the proverbial farm in the course of the movie. Unless they disregard established canon, which will anger the fans (ie. the only ones who will pay to see a new ST movie at this point). Also, after the TNG crew called it a day, we go back to the TOS era? Didn't we learn anything from Phantom Menace? And no, this have nothing to do with the fact that I'm denied my DS9 movie ... again. Well, okay, I'd say it's 10% of it ... 25% ... 50/50 ... fine, this argument is entirely based on that! Finally, who is this director guy? I wan't someone from inside the franchise to direct it. And write it. I've heard good things about this Manny Coto guy. If half of them are true, he sounds like our man. As I mentioned, I would much rather they made a new, well-developed, well-prepared tvshow. Sadly after the death of Michael Piller (co-creator of DS9 and V'Ger) I can't see who would be able to do that either. Teral, disillusioned DS9-fanatic
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Ralph Snart
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Teral:
Teral, disillusioned DS9-fanatic
I was disillusioned by the first two season of TNG, then it morphed into a decent, watchable series. I loved DS9 - placing Sisko as the second best captain in the ST francise (Kirk being first, natch). Then the abomination known as Voyager hit the small screen. As horrible as I thought Voyager was (with their inexhaustable supply of shuttlecrafts, torpetos and warp cores), Enterprise broke all barriers. This series was a pile of pure, steaming drek. This new proposed movie has failure written on it, no matter how well produced it may be. TNG and DS9 succeeded because both made their own way, their own names. Other than TNG having simple fixes with 'flux-capacitors' and 'neutrino-fields', it was a decent series. Voyager never even tried to explain how their non-replacable torpetos (37 in 'Caretaker') ended up being 97 used by the end of the series, or how Chekotey managed to crash a shuttlecraft every other episode yet they manage to have one at the ready at all times (even though an Intrepid-class ship has two shuttlecraft in its invetory). Enterprise came accross as dated, stiff and too politically correct. Nobody must be offended. I know for a fact that ST:TOS has its moments where it offended people (it took on hot-button issues of its day - racism, the Cold War, etc). The francise is fatigued, exhausted and out of steam. It's not on life-support - it's dead, Jim. Let it stay dead...
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart: Voyager never even tried to explain how their non-replacable torpetos (37 in 'Caretaker') ended up being 97 used by the end of the series, or how Chekotey managed to crash a shuttlecraft every other episode yet they manage to have one at the ready at all times (even though an Intrepid-class ship has two shuttlecraft in its invetory). Those were annoyances that contributed to the overall picture, but I've come to the realization that my main gripe about V'Ger is: I just don't care about the characters. Not one tiny iota (except Doc and to a lesser degree Seven of Nine). Harry who? Just a glorified red-shirt (and the character-development to match), whose only destinct trait is the abillity to come back from the dead. Chakotay was nothing but a walking native american stereotype (even Beltran complained about the limited materiel he was given). etc. The entire cast are either bland, boring, static and unlikeable, except Doc and Seven. By contrast some of the guest stars were nothing short of outstanding. Kurtwood Smith as Anorax or Brad Dourif as Lon Suder springs to mind. These two posts still sum up my feelings about V'Ger pretty accurately. The francise is fatigued, exhausted and out of steam. It's not on life-support - it's dead, Jim.
Let it stay dead... I still have hopes a direct-to-DVD DS9 movie about the aftermath of the Dominion War could work. Not cinematic, but made for tv and/or DVD. Final Frontier still takes the cake as Worst Trek Ever!
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Teral: After re-watching tapes of the show with my friends, I'll agree with you. I was young and naive and OMGBOOBIES when I first watched Voyager, it seems. *sigh*. Don't think this means I like DS9 any more, though. And Janeway and Neelix were tolerable as well in my book. I'd also like to point out that some non-Trek shows also seem to try to get by on the personality of one character who's not one of the primaries. Grr...had to find a non-Flash source for that second link...stupid scifi.com.
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McKay's an ass and I hate him.
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Originally posted by Fryman28b: ALL OF THEM!! No, actually, I didn't like Nemisis because of that one bald guy, that looks kinda like Picard. Well, it's kinda hard to be his clone if he doesnt resemble him... As for Voyager, I personally liked Tom Paris as a character. I like the whole Futuristic Flyboy image. But other than that, I really agree with Teral...
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« Reply #58 on: 04-27-2006 02:17 »
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Hmm, looks like Teral wrote the rant I could have written if I had not been so lazy and thus I did not. Btw, it doesn't matter who directs the ST movie, but writes the script. IHMO Nemesis felt like a bad fanboy script. Compared to that the fourth season of Enterprise is a fine example for good fanboy stuff. Furthermore, I also think that Star Trek isn't really movie stuff, because what made it so exciting is its characters and their development. And usually that's the last thing you find in a big budget movie prodcution. Originally posted by Ralph Snart: .... or how Chekotey managed to crash a shuttlecraft every other episode yet they manage to have one at the ready at all times (even though an Intrepid-class ship has two shuttlecraft in its invetory). Dude, it's teh future. Instant-shuttles, man. Just add water.
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« Reply #62 on: 04-28-2006 13:24 »
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StarTrek.com Newsletter 4/27/06: NEWSFLASH: STAR TREK XI ANNOUNCED If you happen to live in the Delta Quadrant, you may not have heard the news yet ... There's a new Star Trek movie in the pipeline! J.J. Abrams, producer of hit shows Lost and Alias, as well as director of the upcoming Paramount blockbuster "Mission: Impossible III," is slated to produce and possibly direct the next Star Trek feature, according to sources at Paramount Pictures. There is no title as yet for the new movie, but it will be the eleventh in the franchise. The project, now listed as under development, has a 2008 release date scheduled. Abrams is slated to write the script with Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who penned upcoming Paramount blockbuster "M:i:III." Actually it's good news.J.J. Abrams has already proven that he can come up with some creative stories, thus it's good if he doesn't stick to material that has been beaten to death already.
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Originally posted by Yardstick2006:
Hes too old. Have you seen him in those All-Bran ads? Nimoy's doing Aleve ads. De Kelley and Jimmy Doohan have been silenced (way too soon). Takai came out the closet. Shatner should be doing Depends ads.
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They should CGI young Kirk and have Billy West do the voice.
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« Reply #73 on: 05-04-2006 15:07 »
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As someone mentioned on a different messageboard, this might just be a trick. TPTB release a rumour that Ben Affleck will play Kirk, then when the news hit they actually chose Hayden Christensen, everybody will cheer because the alternative was so much more unbearable. Then again Hayden Christensen' acting in SWII and SWIII looked like he was an honour student from the William Shatner School of Acting, so I guess it all works out in the end. Finally; just say no to prequels ... and give me my damn DS9 movie!
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