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« on: 08-31-2002 13:49 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2002 13:49 by totalnerduk »

Hokay-Dokay...

Just as The Simpsons is slowly dying, with everything after season 10 becoming increasingly crappy, and Red Dwarf died when S7E1 was shown, which of your favourate TV shows have run on way over their own expiration date? At least thats one thing we can say about Futurama, it never reached the point where we'd rather change the channel and wait for "When bad shit happens" or "Worlds most haunted toilet".

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« Reply #1 on: 08-31-2002 13:58 »

Buffy, I gave up on that show when she was finally buried (after many deaths).
Then she came back again and ruined my plan.
(My plan was for her to stay dead and NOT ruin a perfectly good.......well mediocre show.)

I hate bimbos especially moany, pouty ones.

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« Reply #2 on: 08-31-2002 14:22 »

The Simpsons
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« Reply #3 on: 08-31-2002 15:00 »

Futurama!
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« Reply #4 on: 08-31-2002 17:19 »

 
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Futurama!

I'm talkin' bout shows that should be cancelled, due to the Crapton Factor being present in abundance, yet have escaped the axe. Kinda the opposite of Futurama, more like Friends.

Nix: I already said The Simpsons.
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« Reply #5 on: 08-31-2002 18:58 »

Simpsons still make me laugh, maybe you all suck?

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« Reply #6 on: 08-31-2002 20:04 »

 
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Nix: I already said The Simpsons.

And I seconded the motion.

 
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Simpsons still make me laugh, maybe you all suck?

[VioletTheMutant]No, it's definitely The Simpsons that suck[/VtM]

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« Reply #7 on: 08-31-2002 20:20 »

Simpsons isn't as bad as people are saying, watching the season 11-12 episodes on syndication they are a lot funnier then I remember. Although the show has gone down a bunch of notches.

X-files, wow I am glad that show was dead, and I was a HUGE fan
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« Reply #8 on: 08-31-2002 21:34 »

Roseanne ran about 8 years too long.
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« Reply #9 on: 08-31-2002 21:37 »

red dwarf season eight was better than like the last two seasons. so if it died, it came back to life again.
also, simpsons season thirteen was better than about the last three seasons, but it is obviously not as good as it used to be.
you could say buffy died at the end of season five. the show and the character..whatever. there was only like four good episodes in season six, i still enjoy it though.
the only one i fully agree with is the x files. some people say it turned crappy before duchovny left, but i still enjoyed it, up until robert patrick joined the cast.

so, is this thread like a 'jump the shark' thing or what
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« Reply #10 on: 09-02-2002 17:24 »

Friends needs to be allowed a graceful end, otherwise it will just end up like The Simpsons where there just aren't any more storylines to go.

For UK viewers with nothing better to do... Wipeout. This is a quite original game show which used to be presented by Paul Daniels (the magician) during the evenings. Then they moved it to day time, and got Bob Monkhouse to present it... and oh deah! He just can't seem to make the show work. Try this site for more info...  http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/w/wipeout/index.htm

Blind Date... Does any body even still watch this? It was axed to make way for The Premiership, but when that flopped they resurrected it again. Now the girl and guy go on a nice holiday, and then come back and slag each other off. But still if Davina McCall takes over... oh deah!
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« Reply #11 on: 09-02-2002 17:40 »

"Fraiser" is also up there-a once smart show doing the same ol "mixed up communication about two things happening at the same time" bit.
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« Reply #12 on: 09-02-2002 18:24 »

I disagree with Archie2k about Friends ending gracefully, they SHOULD be punished for so many years of repeated crap!!

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« Reply #13 on: 09-02-2002 22:42 »

 
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"Fraiser" is also up there-a once smart show doing the same ol "mixed up communication about two things happening at the same time" bit.

Isn't that the way it's always been? I watched some episodes a few years ago, and it seemed like Three's Company. Except not as funny, and it didn't have sexy bitches like Don Knotts and the guy who plays Larry.
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« Reply #14 on: 09-02-2002 23:00 »

Personally, I think FishyJoe has gone on too long and should be canceled. Maybe with a movie deal though and a promise to bring the show back in a year.
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« Reply #15 on: 09-02-2002 23:43 »

I will live on in the form of crappy internet cartoons, like The Critic.
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« Reply #16 on: 09-03-2002 12:09 »

Hey, there won't be anybody mocking "The Critic" on my watch! Sure, the internet version wasn't up to the original series, but I'm glad to see that devoted fans can keep good shows around after stupid execs get rid of them (ooh, that refers to Futurama, too!).
Back to the topic, I think almost every single program shown on a network in prime time should be cancelled after a few years. I mean, do we really need anymore of "Just Shoot Me" or "Becker"?
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« Reply #17 on: 09-03-2002 13:56 »

Hey, Becker is a quality show about dysfunctional people. Don't knock it. It ties with Simpsons on my list.
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« Reply #18 on: 09-03-2002 16:27 »

 
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Hey, there won't be anybody mocking "The Critic" on my watch
Fishy was only mocking the internet version. And to be honest, it does suck, in comparison

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« Reply #19 on: 09-03-2002 16:43 »

Pokoman!

Get rid of that I can't stand it and other crappy morring kids shows

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« Reply #20 on: 09-03-2002 18:21 »

And do the same with all those crappy reality shows.  tongue
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« Reply #21 on: 09-03-2002 18:31 »

 
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Originally posted by *Velour Fog*:
Fishy was only mocking the internet version. And to be honest, it does suck, in comparison

I'm sorry, I'm just a little defensive about cartoons that I like that have destroyed by stupid networks. And the internet version wasn't *that* bad; after all, they had limited resources and time and had to compete with the much-beloved series.
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« Reply #22 on: 09-03-2002 18:34 »

Dragonball Z.
Now I'm not a big-time lawyer [crowd gasps!]
but isn't that show about collecting dragon balls, how many of them are there, 7? 10? idunno.
Anyway, how long does it take to collect a few frickin balls?

Beyblade, and Pokemon, Digimon, etc.
A pure evil concept of making a simultaneous toy and cartoon for making lots of moola.

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« Reply #23 on: 09-03-2002 18:38 »

Voyager ran about 7 years too long. On the other hand it is Trek, sooo... Nah, still ran too long.

X-files, is another candidate. Ran way past my commitment and desire to follow it's weirder and weirder plotlines.

Twin Peaks, some 15 or 20 episodes too many.
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« Reply #24 on: 09-03-2002 18:40 »
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Millennium, does anyone remember that series? I think it was from the makers of the X-files. I forgot how it ended.

I agree with Faze on dragon ball Z.  The English voices and text are crap. The characters have stupid names. "Gohan", for instance, is Japanese for rice.
They just started airing it in my country. I think they 're almost at the eps from 1990.  So that 's 12 more years...
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« Reply #25 on: 09-03-2002 19:08 »

Go to  http://www.jumptheshark.com  to see loads of cool arguments about what shows are past it and why.

I like the Next Generation, but it went on a season too long, with Beverly in love with a ghost, and Picard and Data wearing crappy polystyrene masks.

Frasier is also growing tired, but it particularly dipped when Niles and Daphne got together.

Red Dwarf completely lost the plot in Season 7, and that stupid Season 8 should be burnt.

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« Reply #26 on: 09-03-2002 20:17 »

No, see, I meant "crappy" in a good way. Like how the kids say "bad" when they really mean good!

"Yeah, that Michael Jordan is so crappy, man!"

But seriously, I was half kidding when I said that. The internet thing pales in comparison to the real show, but it has the occassional good gag(I like the pikachu episode in particular).
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« Reply #27 on: 09-03-2002 21:27 »

 
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Dragonball Z.

Ooh...wrong answer. First we get people joking about *The Critic*, and now *DBZ*? Looks like I'm necessary to put up some defense for this bastard child of anime here.
Okay, first of all. The show's just not about finding 7 Dragonballs. It started out in that vein, but eventually the Hunt became less and less important and the Dragonballs became more of a deus ex machina, more used to bring dead/dying characters back to life. Any show's going to have a long life span when the average character has died and returned from the grave about twice each.

Eventually, the show (and the manga that it was/is based upon) became more character-driven rather than Ball-driven.

The series can be divided up into 4 "sagas", based roughly on the main atagonist of said series of eps. (ie, "The Sayain Saga", "The Frieza Saga", "The Android/Cell Saga", "The Buu Saga" ) Combined, they total to roughly 269 Japanese episodes. The American version often re-edits those, and the current American total is still unfinished. This, however, does not include the series Dragonball (the origin of our hero, Goku) and Dragonball GT (made to capitalize on the success of the show previously, and make some money). Total, I'd say there's about 400+ 22 minute episodes total. And believe me, if you're into it, those 400+ eps do indeed seem rushed.

In conclusion, the show's not just about guys with gold hair kicking the crap out of each other, but it really has quite a bit of interesting plot and tragedy involved underneath the punch-kick-blast exterior.

I guess I'm done.

(P.S., the name "Gohan" isn't any stupider than the name "Fry". )  laff
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« Reply #28 on: 09-03-2002 21:31 »

Oh, but the rest of the shows ~FazeShift~ mentioned do indeed suck. I forgot to mention that.
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« Reply #29 on: 09-03-2002 22:18 »

And you forgot to mention that DBZ is slower than frozen molasses in a time-flux.
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« Reply #30 on: 09-03-2002 23:15 »

Yeah... I mean, just how long can you stretch out five minutes?
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« Reply #31 on: 09-03-2002 23:44 »

 
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 Ooh...wrong answer. First we get people joking about *The Critic*, and now *DBZ*? Looks like I'm necessary to put up some defense for this bastard child of anime here.

So you're the new loose cannon, huh evan?
here's a bit of friendly advice... Chill.

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« Reply #32 on: 09-04-2002 00:04 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2002 00:04 »

Bah, and you complain when a show has to be wrapped up and have a happy ending in 22 minutes!

(takes VelourFog's advice, slows pace, takes a few deep breaths)

Anyways...okay, it does take Goku and Frieza 16 episodes , or, approxamately 5 nonstop hours of animation  eek , to battle over the ruins of planet Namek, but it's understandable when you get the behind the scenes info. Apparently, someone thought it'd be *really neat* to take every panel from the manga and turn it into a frame on the show. Good intentions, meet road to Hell. This leads to lots of reaction shots from various characters and shots of buildings/plant life/other shit getting blown up in energy waves. Instead of changing this, for whatever reason, they decided to keep going in this manner. The newer episodes aren't so bad, now. 
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« Reply #33 on: 09-04-2002 00:36 »
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Yeah... I mean, just how long can you stretch out five minutes?

From what I've seen, round about 5 weeks' worth of episodes.

 
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Anyways...okay, it does take Goku and Frieza 16 episodes , or, approxamately 5 nonstop hours of animation

sure, if by "5 nonstop hours of animation" you mean "the same 5 frames repeated the entire episode."

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« Reply #34 on: 09-04-2002 00:46 »

Hmm...I was just watching it earlier tonight, and maybe me eyes are deceiving me, but I didn't see any repeated animation. Maybe it's just my biased view-point.   no no

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« Reply #35 on: 09-04-2002 21:22 »

Keep an open mind while doing this so you can see it from other people's perspective:

Turn the sound off (i.e. mute it or down as low as it goes) while watching DBZ and see how many actual different frames there are or different bits of animation without being distracted by the sound.

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« Reply #36 on: 09-04-2002 22:57 »

The other thing about DBZ . . . . how many times can you quadruple the scale with the SAME CHARACTERS and not have it just be stupid.

Example.  I watched a couple of early episodes and people were like "That guy is the most incredible badass ever with his power level of 50!  It only takes ten to blow up a planet!"
A couple of years later: "These guys only have a power level of 3400?  -snicker-"
Eventually I think they even gave up on numbers and just said "Holy Shit he's powerful!"

On top of that, the animation IS crap, one day stories take like a season to unfold (and not in a clever way like 24), most of the characters suck.

Mabye I just hate the show because I've never given it more than a sarcastic glance . . . . but so what.  I like being opinionated.  Besides, if it was good it might have drawn my attention back then.
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« Reply #37 on: 09-05-2002 01:05 »
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Okay, I will admit that the earlier episodes didn't indeed have the best quality of animaiton to them. But, do keep in mind that those early episodes were animated roughly 12-14 years ago on a *very, very* small budget. Hardly any cartoon show animated in that time period (late 1980s) isn't going to look like that, especially when there isn't much money to spend, anyways.

I think, because we're Futurama fans, we're used to our cartoons looking a specific way. Remember, folks, Futurama is perhaps the *best* cartoon series, animation-wise. Both FOX and Matt Greoning are involved in those first few episodes, and all of FOX's vast array of riches gave Futurama its distinct look. I think those crapping on DBZ's design are a little too spoiled by the computer animation that Futurama employs. Not all shows have mega-conglomerates backing them up, nor do they have the limitless finances due to being part of one of the biggest corporations in the world.

Oh, and btw, when the production companies changed hands between the Frieza Saga and the Andriod/Cell Saga (which was from FUNimation to BANDAI, but I could be wrong), the animation did improve greatly and the character development was given a greater portion of the spotlight. It's not surprising that during the Android/Cell Saga was when DBZ "broke" and became the juggernaut of pseudo-anime that it is today.
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« Reply #38 on: 09-05-2002 01:11 »

 
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Example. I watched a couple of early episodes and people were like "That guy is the most incredible badass ever with his power level of 50! It only takes ten to blow up a planet!"
A couple of years later: "These guys only have a power level of 3400?
                   -snicker-"
Eventually I think they even gave up on numbers and just said "Holy Shit, he's      powerful!"

True, they did get rid of power levels, cuz it was getting a little silly keeping track of all these numbers that really didn't mean much, or had any real basis in reality. I mean, being 1,000,000x the strength of a normal human isn't that much different than being 999,999x times stronger. So, alas, that's one of the things BANDAI tossed when they got the rights to DBZ.

Also, BTW, a power level of 10 can't destroy a planet. Young Goku had a power of 10 at the age of 12, which just meant he was 10x stronger than the average person.

And don't ask me about characterization. I'll get to that at a later date, my Purdue archrival.  big grin
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« Reply #39 on: 09-05-2002 01:26 »
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Anytime Bloomington bitch.      tongue

Edit: For the 99.9983% of the world that has no idea what we're talking about . . . Purdue University and Indiana University are two high-profile schools about 120 miles apart in central Indiana.
The two schools have been locked in a pretend feud, probably since the beginning of time.  I go to Purdue, Evan goes to IU. We are obligated by tradition to continue this age-old battle here.
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