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Nixorbo
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The Simpsons
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Originally posted by Jeremy: Futurama! I'm talkin' bout shows that should be cancelled, due to the Crapton Factor being present in abundance, yet have escaped the axe. Kinda the opposite of Futurama, more like Friends. Nix: I already said The Simpsons.
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Originally posted by totalnerduk: Nix: I already said The Simpsons. And I seconded the motion. Originally posted by ~FazeShift~: Simpsons still make me laugh, maybe you all suck?
[VioletTheMutant]No, it's definitely The Simpsons that suck[/VtM]
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Simpsons isn't as bad as people are saying, watching the season 11-12 episodes on syndication they are a lot funnier then I remember. Although the show has gone down a bunch of notches.
X-files, wow I am glad that show was dead, and I was a HUGE fan
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Personally, I think FishyJoe has gone on too long and should be canceled. Maybe with a movie deal though and a promise to bring the show back in a year.
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Hey, Becker is a quality show about dysfunctional people. Don't knock it. It ties with Simpsons on my list.
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Pokoman!
Get rid of that I can't stand it and other crappy morring kids shows
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Voyager ran about 7 years too long. On the other hand it is Trek, sooo... Nah, still ran too long.
X-files, is another candidate. Ran way past my commitment and desire to follow it's weirder and weirder plotlines.
Twin Peaks, some 15 or 20 episodes too many.
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Go to http://www.jumptheshark.com to see loads of cool arguments about what shows are past it and why. I like the Next Generation, but it went on a season too long, with Beverly in love with a ghost, and Picard and Data wearing crappy polystyrene masks. Frasier is also growing tired, but it particularly dipped when Niles and Daphne got together. Red Dwarf completely lost the plot in Season 7, and that stupid Season 8 should be burnt.
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~: Dragonball Z. Ooh...wrong answer. First we get people joking about *The Critic*, and now *DBZ*? Looks like I'm necessary to put up some defense for this bastard child of anime here. Okay, first of all. The show's just not about finding 7 Dragonballs. It started out in that vein, but eventually the Hunt became less and less important and the Dragonballs became more of a deus ex machina, more used to bring dead/dying characters back to life. Any show's going to have a long life span when the average character has died and returned from the grave about twice each. Eventually, the show (and the manga that it was/is based upon) became more character-driven rather than Ball-driven. The series can be divided up into 4 "sagas", based roughly on the main atagonist of said series of eps. (ie, "The Sayain Saga", "The Frieza Saga", "The Android/Cell Saga", "The Buu Saga" ) Combined, they total to roughly 269 Japanese episodes. The American version often re-edits those, and the current American total is still unfinished. This, however, does not include the series Dragonball (the origin of our hero, Goku) and Dragonball GT (made to capitalize on the success of the show previously, and make some money). Total, I'd say there's about 400+ 22 minute episodes total. And believe me, if you're into it, those 400+ eps do indeed seem rushed. In conclusion, the show's not just about guys with gold hair kicking the crap out of each other, but it really has quite a bit of interesting plot and tragedy involved underneath the punch-kick-blast exterior. I guess I'm done. (P.S., the name "Gohan" isn't any stupider than the name "Fry". )
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And you forgot to mention that DBZ is slower than frozen molasses in a time-flux.
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evan
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« Reply #32 on: 09-04-2002 00:04 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2002 00:04 »
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Bah, and you complain when a show has to be wrapped up and have a happy ending in 22 minutes! (takes VelourFog's advice, slows pace, takes a few deep breaths) Anyways...okay, it does take Goku and Frieza 16 episodes , or, approxamately 5 nonstop hours of animation , to battle over the ruins of planet Namek, but it's understandable when you get the behind the scenes info. Apparently, someone thought it'd be *really neat* to take every panel from the manga and turn it into a frame on the show. Good intentions, meet road to Hell. This leads to lots of reaction shots from various characters and shots of buildings/plant life/other shit getting blown up in energy waves. Instead of changing this, for whatever reason, they decided to keep going in this manner. The newer episodes aren't so bad, now.
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« Reply #33 on: 09-04-2002 00:36 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2002 00:36 »
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Originally posted by Kryten: Yeah... I mean, just how long can you stretch out five minutes? From what I've seen, round about 5 weeks' worth of episodes. Originally posted by evan: Anyways...okay, it does take Goku and Frieza 16 episodes , or, approxamately 5 nonstop hours of animation sure, if by "5 nonstop hours of animation" you mean "the same 5 frames repeated the entire episode."
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evan
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« Reply #37 on: 09-05-2002 01:05 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2002 01:05 »
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Okay, I will admit that the earlier episodes didn't indeed have the best quality of animaiton to them. But, do keep in mind that those early episodes were animated roughly 12-14 years ago on a *very, very* small budget. Hardly any cartoon show animated in that time period (late 1980s) isn't going to look like that, especially when there isn't much money to spend, anyways.
I think, because we're Futurama fans, we're used to our cartoons looking a specific way. Remember, folks, Futurama is perhaps the *best* cartoon series, animation-wise. Both FOX and Matt Greoning are involved in those first few episodes, and all of FOX's vast array of riches gave Futurama its distinct look. I think those crapping on DBZ's design are a little too spoiled by the computer animation that Futurama employs. Not all shows have mega-conglomerates backing them up, nor do they have the limitless finances due to being part of one of the biggest corporations in the world.
Oh, and btw, when the production companies changed hands between the Frieza Saga and the Andriod/Cell Saga (which was from FUNimation to BANDAI, but I could be wrong), the animation did improve greatly and the character development was given a greater portion of the spotlight. It's not surprising that during the Android/Cell Saga was when DBZ "broke" and became the juggernaut of pseudo-anime that it is today.
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evan
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Originally posted by M5438: Example. I watched a couple of early episodes and people were like "That guy is the most incredible badass ever with his power level of 50! It only takes ten to blow up a planet!" A couple of years later: "These guys only have a power level of 3400? -snicker-" Eventually I think they even gave up on numbers and just said "Holy Shit, he's powerful!"
True, they did get rid of power levels, cuz it was getting a little silly keeping track of all these numbers that really didn't mean much, or had any real basis in reality. I mean, being 1,000,000x the strength of a normal human isn't that much different than being 999,999x times stronger. So, alas, that's one of the things BANDAI tossed when they got the rights to DBZ. Also, BTW, a power level of 10 can't destroy a planet. Young Goku had a power of 10 at the age of 12, which just meant he was 10x stronger than the average person. And don't ask me about characterization. I'll get to that at a later date, my Purdue archrival.
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