Marvel Cinematic Universe

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I feel like it may be a bit redundant making a new topic on PEEL, seeing as it's almost entirely dead around here as of late, but what the hell. I'm surprised there isn't already a thread dedicated to this topic on the board, seeing as these films have been around for over a decade!

Also, we got the first trailer for Spider-Man: Far From Home!



Mysterio Jake Gyllenhaal: TAKE MY MONEY!

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It's a real tough one for me. There's quite a few that I really love; but I decided to give my vote to the original Avengers.

I really love these movies. Honestly, the fact that they've built up this inter-connected universe that's not a complete clusterfuck is impressive in itself.

I would rank them as such:

1) Avengers: Endgame
2) The Avengers
3) Captain America: Civil War
4) Guardians of the Galaxy
5) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
6) Avengers: Infinity War
7) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
8) Iron Man
9) Thor: Ragnarok
10) Ant-Man
11) Spider-Man: Homecoming
12) Ant-Man and the Wasp
13) Captain Marvel
14) Avengers: Age of Ultron
15) Doctor Strange
16) Iron Man 2
17) Iron Man 3
18) Black Panther
19) Captain America: The First Avenger
20) Thor
21) Thor: The Dark World
22) The Incredible Hulk

I feel dirty having Iron Man only at 68, but it's really difficult arranging everything at the top. Also interesting how my opinions of them have shifted over time. Originally I liked Thor: The Dark World quite a lot, but my opinion of it drastically went down eventually. The opposite happened with Ant-Man.

Thus far I've avoided the trailers for Captain Marvel, so I may actually go into an MCU movie blind for once (aside from a bunch of images I've seen, which I couldn't avoid). Hyped to see how this era of Marvel wraps up with Endgame, and I hope Spider-Man survives!

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I find that, since I have no nostalgic and/or nerdy attachment to any Marvel properties, I tend to judge the movies based on how much fun I have watching them (as opposed to, like, how closely they hew to the source material, how they fit in to the larger MCU, or whatever other evaluative criteria a more die-hard fan might consider). That being the case, my top three Marvel movies are probably as follows:

1. Thor: Ragnarok
2. Spider-Man: Homecoming
3. Black Panther

(Honorable mention to Dr. Strange, which I think is a genuinely well-constructed movie and also features Rachel McAdams, whom I love.)

That said, I do appreciate a Marvel movie that presents me with something approaching genuine pathos--a movie that seems intent on challenging me in some way, as opposed to just showing me hot people and cool explosions--and in terms of judging these movies based on their quality as art, my top three would likely shift to something more like this:

1. Iron Man 3
2. Avengers: Infinity War
3. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

(Honorable mention to the Captain America movies, which I can recognize as being genuinely interested in Big and Important Themes, but which I find boring because I find Captain America/Steve Rogers boring. Unpopular opinion, I know!)

Oh, and for what it's worth, I have seen neither the second Ant-Man movie nor The Incredible Hulk, but based on my understanding of both I doubt either one would crack either of my top three lists.

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I voted for Iron Man, but there are some qualifications:

1) I haven't seen many of the films listed.

2) I am heavily biased towards characters that get their power(s) from tech or artefacts, rather than it being innate.

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Here’s my list, which is always changing because every time I see any of these movies my opinion of them changes slightly in either direction:

1) Thor: Ragnarok
2) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
3) Avengers: Infinity War
4) Guardians Of The Galaxy
5) The Avengers
6) Captain America: Civil War
7) Avengers: Age Of Ultron
8) Iron Man
9) Spider-Man: Homecoming
10) Doctor Strange
11) Iron Man 3
12) Black Panther
13) Ant-Man
14) Captain America: The First Avenger
15) Ant-Man And The Wasp
16) Thor
17) Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
18) Thor: The Dark World
19) The Incredible Hulk
20) Iron Man 2

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So... anyone have some thoughts on Captain Marvel?

A lot of stuff happened. I think she'll be a great addition to the Avengers lineup.

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The one thing I wasn't a huge fan of was the cat, which was just a little too much for me. Also the first 15-20 minutes were a bit weak.

It definitely picks up after she lands on Earth though. And I LOVED the way it ended with Fury naming the Avengers Initiative after Carol, and how it doesn't show what he types, but instead aggressively implies it with the Avengers theme.

And the Skrulls were so cool. The twist with them being good was unexpected and welcome, and I believe a departure from the source material (from my someone limited knowledge of comics).

This is the first MCU movie I saw without seeing any trailers beforehand, so I didn't really have any expectations. It didn't have a preachy feminist agenda either, despite what some trolls might claim.

Looking at my other post, I'd probably rank it somewhere between 9-11. Obviously this is just based on first impressions so who knows what I might think a year from now.

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So... anyone have some thoughts on Captain Marvel?

I saw it on Friday. I enjoyed it a lot, not the best Marvel movie, but super fun nonetheless. Great soundtrack, SLJ on form as per, a decent enough story. Ben Mendelsohn is always good. I think the way Carol got her powers is kind of silly, though.

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I think the way Carol got her powers is kind of silly, though.

Kinda makes sense though

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If anything can give somebody the ability to move at faster-than-light speeds it would be the space stone.

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So can someone give me the Cliffs Notes on the Captain Marvel controversy? I don't follow the MCU at all and all of a sudden my RRS feed and like half the podcasts I listen to have blown up with people on the left and right getting in a giant slapfight over the movie. Why all the controversy here when it didn't seem like there was any over a similar movie like Wonder Woman just two years ago?

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Brie Larson made some comments somewhere that rubbed some people the wrong way. And of course, the internet does what it does best: make a huge hissy fit over fucking nothing.

I don't think Gal Gadot did anything like that, so there's the difference between CM and WW.

Also, new trailer for Avengers: Endgame!

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For me, most interesting thing about the trailer is Black Widow's hair (no, seriously, bear with me for a second). In some shots it's more grown out with the dyed tips so this probably means that there's either a big time skip or it takes place over a long period!

I also appreciate how it seems to be putting a lot of focus on the original Avengers. Some people had concerns that Captain Marvel would be a deus ex machina, but after this trailer I highly doubt it!

And again, it's good to have a trailer that doesn't reveal too much.

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Brie Larson made some comments somewhere that rubbed some people the wrong way. And of course, the internet does what it does best: make a huge hissy fit over fucking nothing.

I don't think Gal Gadot did anything like that, so there's the difference between CM and WW.

So it's one of those things where an actor that really has no input into the direction of the box office behemoth that has become the MCU said something political and all of a sudden everyone is ascribing political motives and conspiracy theories to a fucking Marvel movie. Sounds about right.

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Basically at a press conference about women in film, Brie Larson said she doesn't need "a 40-year-old white dude" to tell her what they thought about A Wrinkle In Time because that film wasn't "made for them" - which has obviously rubbed people the wrong way.

I understand what she meant - that more diverse voices are needed when it comes to film critique, however, she expressed it in the worst possible way.

If you want to delve into it a bit more, I recommend Red Letter Media's review from about 6:03. They have a relatively fair, no-BS way of looking at the whole thing:



Or this review, which is more negative & pretty much against Larson:

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Yeah, I don't think she did a great job of articulated what she meant, but the intent was noble and sincere.

And JAMES GUNN IS BACK BABY!!!!

What a week. All we need now is a formal X-Men announcement.

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Basically at a press conference about women in film, Brie Larson said she doesn't need "a 40-year-old white dude" to tell her what they thought about A Wrinkle In Time because that film wasn't "made for them" - which has obviously rubbed people the wrong way.

I understand what she meant - that more diverse voices are needed when it comes to film critique, however, she expressed it in the worst possible way.

If you want to delve into it a bit more, I recommend Red Letter Media's review from about 6:03. They have a relatively fair, no-BS way of looking at the whole thing:

That was great, thanks for that. I haven't watched RLM in years. They still got it.

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LOL at the most well-represented demographic in the history of visual media getting butt-hurt at the suggestion that some movies aren't made for them. I mean, in general, I think great art is universal, but "universal" has historically been code for "consistent with the experiences of the privileged class," and therein lies the problem.

In general, I think white people need to learn to step back from conversations about art that aims to portray a lived experience that vastly differs from our own by virtue of race/culture/nationality/etc.--not to say white people aren't allowed to have opinions on art that does not directly address their particular human condition, just that white voices should not predominate in such cultural conversations. With that in mind, Brie Larson's perspective strikes me as perfectly reasonable. I say this as someone who did not watch either of the videos Danny posted, and with no disrespect intended to him, UrL, or newhook, all three of whom strike me as good dudes.

As for Captain Marvel: I just saw it this week, and I liked it a lot. I agree with UrL's assessment on the less-than-stellar first act(-ish), and Danny's praise for the wonder that is Samuel L. Jackson. He and Brie Larson had fantastic chemistry, and their dynamic really drove the latter two-thirds of the movie. I also appreciated how this movie avoided becoming too much of an origin story (in part because the hero herself doesn't actually remember her origins), because origin stories can often be boring as fuck.

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The twist with the Skrulls also took me by pleasant surprise. In general, the whole things-aren't-what-they-seem vibe--what with Skrull shapeshifters, and Kree masquerading as human--allowed for some nice moments of suspense and narrative tension.

So, yeah, I really liked this one. It had a great cast (Jude Law and Annette Bening were pleasant surprises), was superbly-acted, and did a great job of being a '90s period piece without being all tiresome or overly self-referential about it (though I will say that the Stan Lee cameo was fucking perfect). This was by no means the best Marvel movie, but as someone who feels that the majority of Marvel movies are just about average, I do think this one would probably crack my Top 8, MySpace style.

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Agree that the Jackson/Larson dynamic is the best part of CM. I thought it was fun but somewhat underwhelming when it came to the villains/conflict, considering it's so late in the MCU. Also

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i thought it was kind of weird that they never used the full title for SHIELD considering in Iron Man, Coulson kept saying the full title every time until the end of the film

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Anyone else get their tickets for the midnight screening?

Also, if you're in the US, AMC Theatres are showing all 22 MCU movies in a row - which equates to 59 hours & 7 minutes sat in a cinema.

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Hmmm, sixty hours of MCU...
There's a nice little cinema not far from where I work, which has a half-dozen beers on tap, cooks bar food in their little kitchen, and will bring both beer and food to you as you're sitting in your comfy reclining seat. And there's what's basically a bar rail in front of each row of seats upon which to set your goodies.

It would be a lovely place for an adventure like this, but unfortunately the screen is relatively small, more suited to artsy films than to blockbusters. Our boss took us there to see The Force Awakens and it was pleasant, but ultimately less than optimally satisfying.

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I went with Iron Man, why? Because it's one of the very few on the list which I've seen. I saw the original Spiderman trilogy with Tobey MaGuire, but not the reboot. I do plan on watching some of the others on the poll one day though.

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So, I saw Endgame at midnight last night/today.

It's a crazy, crazy ride. It isn't perfect, and it's definitely bloated, but it's super satisfying; especially if you've been following/a fan of these movies for the past 11 years.

The last 25 minutes or so are just insane, I was just watching in awe at what was going on. Some crazy cool stuff. It's impressive how they've pulled this off.

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What a ride.

It didn't feel bloated to me; having it mainly focus on the original 6 Avengers was a good choice. If this were the final MCU movie I would be perfectly happy with it.

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The "time heist" concept was so cool, and far more interesting than simply going to back to one particular point to stop Thanos. It also meant a lot of previously-dead characters (Like the Ancient One!) could return. The little scene with all the hydra agents in the elevator was an awesome callback.

In fact, the entire thing was just oozing with fan-service. Seeing all the snapped characters step through Strange's portal was ridiculously fucking cool.

And HOLY SHIT they killed Black Widow. That was unexpected and a very emotional sequence. I guess this means her upcoming movie is a prequel... or some kind of absurd red herring that doesn't actually exist (unlikely, but that would be a super ballsy move). And of course, there was Tony's death. This didn't hit me quite as hard since I kind of figured it would happen, but it was handled spectacularly. The long shot of everyone at his funeral was a fitting end to the MCU's most important character.

Nebula! I love what they did with her. Way back in her first appearance she was a one-note secondary villain but now she's fighting alongside the Avengers. What a crazy timeline we live in. Having her literally face off with and interact with her bitter and hateful past self was an excellent way of showing her development; especially with how they used Gamora to kind of bridge the gap between them. Oh, and speaking of Gamora, the way they kind of but not really brought here back is awesome and has a lot of story potential for Guardians 3 (Which I guess will include Thor? Sweet!)

Warning: time travel talks ahead.

Now, time travel movies are almost always a bit confusing, and this one definitely leaves some loose ends. Here's what I think (keeping in mind that I've seen it once and could be mis-remembering important details.

So, the quantum realm time travel creates split timelines. They made 4 trips for the six stones: 1970 (Space), 2012 (Time and Mind), 2013 (Reality) and 2014 (Soul and Power). The Ancient One says they need to be returned to their original locations otherwise the new "split" timelines might need them. However, some of these new timelines have some pretty huge changes.

The 1970 timeline should be fine, depending on when Steve returned to Peggy.

The 2012 one is kind of fucked. The Time and Mind stones both end in the right spot, but Loki and the Space stone went who-the-knows-where, leaving a timeline where an edgy violent Loki is on the loose with and extremely powerful artifact.

2013 is fine. If Steve didn't take Mjolnir with him, then that'd definitely cause Thor some trouble fighting off all those nasty elves in The Dark World. I'm also curious about how he managed to get the thing back inside Natalie Portman, and how he could navigate Asgard without raising eyebrows.

2014 is massively fucked, but probably in a good way. Thanos and his entire army are gone, plus their Gamora is stuck in 2023. Either way, the Power and Soul stones end up in their home and the biggest threat in the universe literally vanishes. I kind of wish we saw the awkward reunion between Steve and Red Skull as well Does returning the Soul stone require sacrificing something you hate? That's convenient.

Again, I way have missed some important details or misinterpreted something but I felt like I needed to put my thoughts to writing there.

Man, the word "timeline" barely sounds like a word now.

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Tom Holland warning us about spoilers? What a crazy timeline we live in!

I really like the look of this. I don't know much about Mysterio but I'm glad they aren't rehashing the same old villains.

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I'm glad MJ isn't stupid enough to not realise Peter is Spider-Man.

I just hope they don't brush over the huge implications of Endgame. Seeing how society recovers from something like that could almost be a movie in itself, and since Ned, MJ and Flash are all still in school they must have also been killed by Thanos.

Edit: I just noticed that I used the phrase "What a crazy timeline we live in" two posts in a row. I'm sorry PEEL.

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I don't know much about Mysterio but I'm glad they aren't rehashing the same old villains.

I'm genuinely shocked at the number of people saying this. Even if you don't know much about the backstory of Spidey's villains or even their real names, I figured everyone was familiar with his rogues gallery (arguably because he has one of the best).

Based on their distinct-appearances alone, I thought they were all recognisable even by a casual fan. I don't know much at all about Mysterio's backstory but I've always known of him from being a kid. I'd say he's pretty prominent alongside the likes of Doc Ock, Vulture, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman, Shocker, etc.

Fun fact: Bruce Campbell's cameo in the sadly-cancelled fourth Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie was going to be him as Mysterio!

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What a ride.

It didn't feel bloated to me; having it mainly focus on the original 6 Avengers was a good choice. If this were the final MCU movie I would be perfectly happy with it.

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The "time heist" concept was so cool, and far more interesting than simply going to back to one particular point to stop Thanos. It also meant a lot of previously-dead characters (Like the Ancient One!) could return. The little scene with all the hydra agents in the elevator was an awesome callback.

In fact, the entire thing was just oozing with fan-service. Seeing all the snapped characters step through Strange's portal was ridiculously fucking cool.

And HOLY SHIT they killed Black Widow. That was unexpected and a very emotional sequence. I guess this means her upcoming movie is a prequel... or some kind of absurd red herring that doesn't actually exist (unlikely, but that would be a super ballsy move). And of course, there was Tony's death. This didn't hit me quite as hard since I kind of figured it would happen, but it was handled spectacularly. The long shot of everyone at his funeral was a fitting end to the MCU's most important character.

Nebula! I love what they did with her. Way back in her first appearance she was a one-note secondary villain but now she's fighting alongside the Avengers. What a crazy timeline we live in. Having her literally face off with and interact with her bitter and hateful past self was an excellent way of showing her development; especially with how they used Gamora to kind of bridge the gap between them. Oh, and speaking of Gamora, the way they kind of but not really brought here back is awesome and has a lot of story potential for Guardians 3 (Which I guess will include Thor? Sweet!)

Warning: time travel talks ahead.

Now, time travel movies are almost always a bit confusing, and this one definitely leaves some loose ends. Here's what I think (keeping in mind that I've seen it once and could be mis-remembering important details.

So, the quantum realm time travel creates split timelines. They made 4 trips for the six stones: 1970 (Space), 2012 (Time and Mind), 2013 (Reality) and 2014 (Soul and Power). The Ancient One says they need to be returned to their original locations otherwise the new "split" timelines might need them. However, some of these new timelines have some pretty huge changes.

The 1970 timeline should be fine, depending on when Steve returned to Peggy.

The 2012 one is kind of fucked. The Time and Mind stones both end in the right spot, but Loki and the Space stone went who-the-knows-where, leaving a timeline where an edgy violent Loki is on the loose with and extremely powerful artifact.

2013 is fine. If Steve didn't take Mjolnir with him, then that'd definitely cause Thor some trouble fighting off all those nasty elves in The Dark World. I'm also curious about how he managed to get the thing back inside Natalie Portman, and how he could navigate Asgard without raising eyebrows.

2014 is massively fucked, but probably in a good way. Thanos and his entire army are gone, plus their Gamora is stuck in 2023. Either way, the Power and Soul stones end up in their home and the biggest threat in the universe literally vanishes. I kind of wish we saw the awkward reunion between Steve and Red Skull as well Does returning the Soul stone require sacrificing something you hate? That's convenient.

Again, I way have missed some important details or misinterpreted something but I felt like I needed to put my thoughts to writing there.

Man, the word "timeline" barely sounds like a word now.

On. Point. Everything that I felt compelled to say is right. here.

I also agree with Danny, the last 25-35 minutes were insane. Do you ever just finish a movie and need a few minutes after to stare off into the void and remember the necessity of blinking, in awe of the insanity you just witnessed? This will do that to you.

It's also very, very emotional. I will not deny that I bawled my eyes out, and I'm not sure if it was the plot itself or the fact its the end of an era that compelled my sadness most, but regardless I will not be watching that again for a while.

 

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I don't know much about Mysterio but I'm glad they aren't rehashing the same old villains.

I'm genuinely shocked at the number of people saying this. Even if you don't know much about the backstory of Spidey's villains or even their real names, I figured everyone was familiar with his rogues gallery (arguably because he has one of the best).

Based on their distinct-appearances alone, I thought they were all recognisable even by a casual fan. I don't know much at all about Mysterio's backstory but I've always known of him from being a kid. I'd say he's pretty prominent alongside the likes of Doc Ock, Vulture, Scorpion, Electro, Sandman, Shocker, etc.

Fun fact: Bruce Campbell's cameo in the sadly-cancelled fourth Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie was going to be him as Mysterio!

Oh no, I definitely know of him, I just know little about him.

I agree that Spidey has one one of the best collections of villains (second only to Batman). I just hope Sony doesn't fuck around and make more stupid shit like Venom if that means the characters won't show up in actual Spider-Man movies.

Danny, did you play the PS4 Spider-Man game? There was a pretty solid selection of villains there!

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Danny, did you play the PS4 Spider-Man game? There was a pretty solid selection of villains there!

I did, I Platinum'd it & got all the DLC trophies, too! I absolutely love Insomniac Games because of their work on the Ratchet & Clank series, so I had every faith in them being able to pull-off a great game & they really did. I love the depiction of most of the villains in it, Mr. Negative is an interesting one indeed.

I was one of the players hoping & praying for the Raimi suit to be added to the game, then when they surprised us with it just before Christmas I lost my shit!

I'd say the PS4 Spidey is my 2nd favoutire incarnation of the character, after Tobey Maguire & 3rd place is Jake Johnson's mid-life crisis Spidey from Into the Spider-Verse.

I just hope Sony doesn't fuck around and make more stupid shit like Venom if that means the characters won't show up in actual Spider-Man movies.

Unfortunately, a Venom sequel was confirmed, and they're currently filming the Morbius movie starring Jared Leto. Sony are making their own "Spider-Man villains universe," which doesn't really make sense, but sure. Venom was trash. Also, don't quote me on this, but I think Sony still hold exclusive-rights to some Spidey characters such as Uncle Ben & J. Jonah Jameson, which is why they aren't in the MCU, but I could be wrong.

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Big announcements for the MCU, fresh from SDCC!

Movies:

Black Widow (May 1, 2020)

The Eternals (November 6, 2020)

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (February 12, 2021)

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (May 7, 2021)

Thor: Love and Thunder (November 5, 2021)

Blade (TBA)

Disney+ shows:

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Fall 2020)

WandaVision (Spring 2021)

Loki (Spring 2021)

What If...? (Summer 2021)

Hawkeye (Fall 2021)

Kevin Feige also confirmed that Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Captain Marvel 2 are all in development, as well as movies about the Fantastic Four and mutants!

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Black Widow

Cool. Apparently it's set after Civil War, which is kind of random. I'm stoked that David Harbour's involved.

The Eternals

Literally never heard of them. Obviously Marvel has a history of turning obscure characters into household names, so I'll be sure to keep an open mind.

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

My knowledge of Shang-Chi is very limited, but that subtitle is enough to get me excited (seems kind of long and wordy though). The Mandarin is one of the MCU's oldest unresolved stories.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

This was my favourite announcement. Infinity War made Strange so much cooler and I love Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch. These two characters will make and excellent team. Also, they say it's gonna be a horror movie, which is bold and very intriguing.

Thor: Love and Thunder

I love how bizarre that subtitle is. Now, the most surprising thing about this announcement is Natalie Portman returning. As mediocre as her character was, I'm sure Taika Waititi will give her some good material to work with this time around.

Blade

Where tf did that come from. Does Mahershala Ali playing Blade make the Netflix shows officially non-canon? Either way, should be cool. I never saw the old Blades so I don't have much to compare.

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

This is a cool way to resume Sam's story post-Endgame. I'm eager to see how it unfolds, especially since Zemo (one of the MCU's best villains) is returning.

WandaVision

Ridiculous, terrible title but I'm interested to see how into ties into Doctor Strange: MOM. Vision's involvement has me slightly skeptical since I'm so sick of dead characters coming back, especially if it cheapens one of the most powerful moments of Infinity War.

Loki

Meh.

What If...?

Interesting idea. I hope it explores some of the failed attempts to defeat Thanos.

Hawkeye

I'll take as much Hawkeye as I can get, thank you very much. He's been neglected in phase 3 so this special treatment is long overdue.


Also, I just noticed that I never shared my thoughts on Far From Home. I really liked it! Mysterio was awesome and the post-credits scene was bonkers. It might be my favourite Spider-Man movie.

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That's a lot to announce.
The Dr Strange one sounds neat... Though it also sounds lovecraftian in theme and that's difficult to pull off on film.  I actually kind of liked his film, for the eye candy, and the story seemed a tad different than most origin story stuff in movies.  I can't say for sure how or why it seemed different, and it still had a big bad at the end, but honestly, the villain through most of it was the cult surrounding him, and I guess I liked how the cult viewed themselves as good guys doing a difficult thing.  They didn't want to control the world, have untold power, or destroy the world... The one character said it pretty direct, that he just wanted to hand the world over to some other power so everyone could live forever and he figured it was better than what we had now.  Also, it was nice that he was bitter at the good master, that she wasn't inherently good and that she was withholding power/knowledge/truth from everyone else for her own gain.  It's nice when the plot of a movie isn't simply framed as good guys beat up the bad guys and the day is saved and everyone celebrates.
It's nice when the story mimics reality a bit for most people and the characters have motivations beyond good and bad, and all of the characters fall somewhere near the middle of a moral spectrum; that makes it a bit more complex, easier to suspend belief I think, and let's you think about the characters in a way one thinks of people.  We're all fallible, and it's more reasonable for us to make comparisons to fallible people because we can more closely relate.  I can't relate with Superman because he isn't human, and for some reason he thinks he is and always defends humans and is always honest yadda yadda.  I wonder how the USSR would have turned out, had he landed on some farm in the Povolzhye.  Like some sort of reverse Dr. Manhattan.

Dr. Manhattan is one of my favorite characters though, but I guess that's a story for another thread, or message board, or perhaps internet.  Whichever.

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More MCU news from Disney's D23 Expo!

Movies:

Black Panther 2 (May 6, 2022)

Disney+ shows:

Ms. Marvel (TBA)

Moon Knight (TBA)

She-Hulk (TBA)

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They're going to run out of characters soon.

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"Opening this weekend, the most anticipated blockbuster since Revenge of Antgirl's Cousin, it's Son of Batman vs. Son of Superman!"

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They're going to run out of characters soon.

Is that actually possible?

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They're going to run out of characters soon.

Is that actually possible?

Ha, most definitely not. There's always some extremely obscure stuff out there.

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When is the Squirrel Girl movie?

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Milana Vayntrub was set to portray Squirrel Girl in the New Warriors TV show that was supposed to premiere on Freeform last year. For whatever reason, they dropped the show, and now Marvel are trying to find a new home for it.

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David Harbour's character looks like fun.

Otherwise, this trailer didn't do much for me to be honest; the dialogue here seems pretty tropey and forced. They should have either made the movie three years ago, or made it a pre-Avengers prequel rather than being awkwardly slipped between two movies. After her very dramatic death in Endgame it's gonna be a strange viewing experience.

I'm sure the movie itself will be fine; I've yet to be truly disappointed in an MCU movie. Buuut this was a mediocre trailer.

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Lots of MCU news!

Captain Marvel 2 set to be released in November, 2022.

Tim Roth will return as the Abomination in the Disney+ series, She-Hulk. Mark Ruffalo also set to appear.

Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Mendelsohn to star in Disney+ series, Secret Invasion.

Dominique Thorne to star as Riri Williams in Disney+ series, Ironheart.

Don Cheadle returns as War Machine in Disney+ series, Armor Wars.

The Guardians of the Galaxy have a Holiday Special to be released on Disney+ in 2022, directed by James Gunn.

Baby Groot will star in I Am Groot, a series of shorts on Disney+.

Christian Bale confirmed to appear in Thor: Love and Thunder as villain Gorr the God Butcher.

Peyton Reed returns to direct Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Jonathan Majors confirmed to appear as Kang the Conqueror.

Jon Watts (Spider-Man: Homecoming and Far From Home) to direct Fantastic Four.