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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #240 on: 11-29-2019 22:18 »

Oh boy. I can't afford to subscribe to Disney+ as well as the other streaming subscription I currently have, so I guess I'll have to watch The Mandalorian on PornHub.

Alternatively, it might be time to sing a rousing sea shanty. Either way, I need to check this show out. Sounds like the perfect antidote to the current Disneyfied trilogy.
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« Reply #241 on: 12-20-2019 15:45 »

Saw The Rise of Skywalker last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. Nothing too surprising or groundbreaking, but it was fun and fast-paced and I think the main trio of Rey-Poe-Finn was finally gelling for me. (Oh, and they didnít do Carrie Fisher dirty, which had been a minor concern of mineósheís not really able to have a real arc, per se, but I found her storyline such as it was to be satisfying.)

One last thing: Most of the critical discourse around this movie is that itís safer and less artistically interesting than The Last Jedi (which I also liked just fine!), which I think is an unfair criticism because I donít necessarily go to the olí tentpole holiday season franchise films for, like, auteur cinema. The third movie might not be as objectively good as the second when assessed as a stand-alone film, but itís a way better Star Wars movie in terms of how it follows convention and what it delivers to its core audience, and thatís not some great sin or anything. (That said, fuck the racist and sexist trolls who got so pissy about the second movieóyou could argue that the third film is too reactionary and placatory of those unfair critiques of the second film, but itís also more stylistically in-sync with The Force Awakens, and such cohesion in a trilogy is not necessarily a bad thing!)
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« Reply #242 on: 12-20-2019 16:38 »

So no plot and just visuals?
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« Reply #243 on: 12-22-2019 06:12 »

So no plot and just visuals?

I actually thought that it had a much better plot than the rest of the sequel trilogy. There's some questionable writing at times, but unlike TLJ, it didn't feel like it was wasting time with extended side-quests.


Has anyone else been playing Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order? smile

I ended up getting it, and I quite liked it! I found it extremely difficult though. I don't consider myself awful at games, but I eventually couldn't play it at anything other than the lowest difficulty (which is piss easy. There really needed to be a wider range of difficulty options). I found it hard to be too invested in the story since they were navigating a minefield of canon, but the characters eventually started to grow on me, which was nice.
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« Reply #244 on: 01-02-2020 17:02 »
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The wife had never seen a Star Wars movie before and said she wanted to check it out, so over the holidays we watched all 9 episodes in release order. After watching them all again I'd rank them from best to worst.

V
IV
VI
VII
III
IX
I
VIII
II

Nothing can touch the OT, and the wife agreed. I was a lot better than I remembered and II was a lot worse than I remembered. VII is still my favourite of the sequels and I still think III is pretty good.

VIII was a mess. Holdo is really unlikable for some reason, and I don't understand the point of introducing this character instead of just having Leia in command. The side story where no one who is in charge will tell Poe the plan for escape and he and the others come up with this elaborate pointless side-quest makes no sense and makes the Resistance hierarchy come off as needlessly authoritarian. The light speed thing blowing apart the First Order fleet doesn't make a lot of sense in the scope of this movie and it makes even less in the scope of Star Wars as a whole. Luke not believing Kylo Ren could be turned was very out of step with his OT characterization. Also stylistically, I don't like how everyone is just another normal boring person instead of a weird alien or robot or someone in armor etc. Just compare the code breaker in VIII to the little guy who wipes C3PO's memory in IX for example. Weird shit like that is what makes Star Wars Star Wars. I think the half of the movie with Rey/Luke/Kylo Ren is pretty decent, but god damn that other half really doesn't do it for me. It's almost like the story they had to tell was the one about Luke and Rey and Kylo Ren, but they were contractually obligated to come up with some random thing for the other characters to do in the meantime. This is actually similar to Return of the Jedi where the story they had to tell was Luke/Vader/The Emperor, and they came up with the Ewoks on Endor to give everyone else something to do. It doesn't hurt Return of the Jedi as much and it hurts The Last Jedi, because the b-plot in Return was a lot stronger and the characters were better developed.

IX was OK, but there's so much here it seems like it could fill two movies, if you had an VIII consisting of some of the material from IX so it has more room to breath and the good stuff from VIII like the Luke/Ren/Rey stuff, the sequel trilogy as a whole would have been a lot better IMO. I don't like force healing because it makes too many deaths in the series look dumb, but it is what it is, and the prequels suffered from the same problem of randomly introducing technology and Jedi powers than made stuff in the original trilogy seem redundant. IX really has the same problem II did of trying to cram several movies worth of material into a single movie to a lesser degree.

Rogue One was better than the entire Sequel and Prequel trilogy, and I've heard good things about the Mandolarian, so they should probably just focus on non-jedi/Skywalker stuff like that from now on.

I think the only two I would personally consider just outright bad movies were VIII and II.
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« Reply #245 on: 01-03-2020 07:49 »

Swap The Phantom Menace with The Last Jedi and I agree with your order.

I think a Star Wars rewatch is due now that everything is easily accessible on Disney+.

The Mandalorian is indeed great, but the overall story takes a massive detour in the middle third and there's 3 episodes of side-quests. They're not particularly bad, but when the season is only 8 episodes long it's slightly annoying.
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« Reply #246 on: 01-03-2020 14:34 »
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Yeah, I'm going to have to check it out. I have a bit of an issue with those services. I can accept a free service collecting info on me. I can accept paying for a service to avoid data collection. I take issue with buying a subscription and having my data collected. We'll see. Maybe they'll put it on DVD like Netflix does. Maybe they'll kindly send me a review copy.

For some reason Jar Jar Binks bothers me less now. I think it's because I have kids now so I end up watching a lot of stuff with similarly over the top characters so he's less grating.
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« Reply #247 on: 01-03-2020 21:24 »

Rogue One was better than the entire Sequel and Prequel trilogy, and I've heard good things about the Mandolarian, so they should probably just focus on non-jedi/Skywalker stuff like that from now on.

I've been saying this for years now. Rogue One and Solo were both miles better than any of the Sequel trilogy movies (the former movie being the best of the two, of course, but Solo was still slightly underrated & a decent flick, if not redundant). I've always found the larger SW universe way more interesting than the mythical/Jedi lore stuff.

Still haven't checked out The Mandalorian yet, but I hear very good things!
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« Reply #248 on: 01-05-2020 04:57 »

* * Tachy finally rejoins this thread, after having seen Star Wars today * *

I liked it. A lot. Had a couple of issues with the storytelling but the plot was fine for me and I enjoyed the action. Surprisingly, I didn't begin tearing up until
...and literally didn't stop until the credits rolled off the screen and a startled employee suddenly noticed that someone was still there, watching the credits. Why, yes, I am a pretty emotional person smile

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« Reply #249 on: 01-05-2020 11:54 »

Having not read your spoilers tag, I assume when you said 'seen Star Wars today', you meant the original one, as it's the only one that has ever had the full title 'Star Wars' until it was renamed.

Oh, Tachy, you're a little late to the game.  There will be another four decades of despair.  Watch the next one, and then stop watching after that.  It's all down hill from there.
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« Reply #250 on: 01-05-2020 14:19 »
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Having not read your spoilers tag, I assume when you said 'seen Star Wars today', you meant the original one, as it's the only one that has ever had the full title 'Star Wars' until it was renamed.


tongue smile

Yes, it was the new Lost Skywalker or whatever the title is, not the seminal film. As the capstone to the original story arc, it would reasonably be expected to have callbacks and to assault the viewer with cranked-up emotional intensity...and it did. You guys all know what a softie I am, and yeah, the overall intensity of the movie, to me, is definitely at the highest level of all nine films.

Oh, and I loved the score, especially the little retrospective during the credits.

P.S. I wore a Planet Express shirt to the cinema, and got one or two complements smile

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« Reply #251 on: 01-08-2020 20:50 »
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I had a friend hook his VCR up to a Roku, record the Mandalorian from his Disney Plus account onto a couple of VHS tapes and send them to me.  I watched the first two episodes and it just about knocked my socks off. You guys were right about it being good. Really makes up for the less than stellar sequel trilogy. I dig the new Star Wars intro they came up with too. They clearly need to focus on non-Skywalker stuff.
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« Reply #252 on: 01-08-2020 22:07 »

You didn't watch it on laserdisc?
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« Reply #253 on: 01-08-2020 22:18 »

Apparently, Lucas used some VideoDisc footage as original source material when compiling the 2006 DVD set. It was a shock to learn the other night that there actually was a digital release that's reportedly shot-for-shot identical to the original film.

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« Reply #254 on: 01-13-2020 18:07 »
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The Mandalorian is indeed great, but the overall story takes a massive detour in the middle third and there's 3 episodes of side-quests. They're not particularly bad, but when the season is only 8 episodes long it's slightly annoying.

After watching them all, I personally had no problem with those three episodes. They reminded me of the old hour long action adventure shows on TV like the A-Team from the 1980s and Lois and Clarke from the 1990s where the series had this overarching storyline, but most of the episodes could be watched and enjoyed by themselves independent of other episodes. I feel like making every episode a cliffhanger is kind of lazy writing, but hey, that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #255 on: 02-04-2020 21:44 »

I didnt minded the "side quest" episodes as most of them worked to either introduce a character or tell us stuff about Mando



Overall i loved the series.. it feels totally Star Wars.. that gritty old used universe we all got to love with the OT and the low ends of the Galaxy.. a part that doesnt care much about who is on charge.. alltought the series doesnt ignore that at all.. the fall of the empire is clearly seen and the fact that the New Republic still doesnt have enought influence or power to properly gobern in the outer rim territories.. also in episode 6 we get a quick hint that the NR did made some clean up of gagnsters and criminal lords like Jabba wich has left an empty in some places..

Where the sequel trilogy only used the OT to shit on it and build over its dead body while kicking it and destroying most of its coherence.. Mandalorian feels totally natural with the OT.. hell so far it can even fit with the old expanded universe (time setting is exactly the same as when the first EU novels came in, coincidentally)
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« Reply #256 on: 02-05-2020 07:14 »

The main flaw with the Mandalorian is that there's only two Lego sets based on it. That's a serious oversight that must be fixed immediately.
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« Reply #257 on: 02-05-2020 10:04 »

The main flaw with the Mandalorian is that there's only two Lego sets based on it. That's a serious oversight that must be fixed immediately.

Thats something that quite surprised me greatly..  Somehow John Favreau managed to convince disney execs to withold material from the series until after it was released.. and miss the entire xmas-new years campaign.. and by the time it wasnt a secret it was too late to begin producing merchandising on time despite the huge demand

compare that to Bob Iger forcing the sequel movies be released with less than 2 years of development in between just so they would begin to cash on them after releasing 4 billion dollars for the franchise
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« Reply #258 on: 02-06-2020 11:05 »

Lego talk incoming! With no Star Wars movie coming out this year, we may likely get some more Mandalorian Lego sets. Next wave is probably in April, which hopefully includes the Republic Gunship that was voted to be the next UCS set.

The January wave was a bit disappointing; the Mustafar set and Mando battle pack were good but everything else was kind of average. Honestly, Episode IX's vehicle designs are very uninspired so that plays a big part.

I'm pretty satisfied with my Lego OT collection, so I don't care too much for future sets in that era. However, I'll definitely buy an AT-AT when they inevitably re-release that, and I currently don't have much from Endor.

I'm more interested in the prequel sets, at the moment (like the Republic Gunship I mentioned earlier). There's still a number of main characters from that era I don't have yet, and there's even fewer Clone Wars sets (come on Lego, give me an Ashoka minifig!)

Sorry if anybody actually read that. I can get very passionate about Lego.
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« Reply #259 on: 02-16-2020 21:16 »

I can get very passionate about Lego.

I understand this on a deep level. Check out (if you haven't already) the Star Destroyer interview from Beyond The Brick on youtube where they talk to a guy who made a whole fleet of custom Star Destroyers with full interiors.
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« Reply #260 on: 02-17-2020 08:40 »

I'll have to check that out! I'm hoping that they're all minifig scale; If a Lego set costs more than a two-story house, it might as well be larger than a two-story house.

While I'm admiring the absurd scale of Star Destroyers, what the hell is up with the Super Star Destroyer in ROTJ being blown up by one measly A-Wing? laff I never considered the dumbness of that until I rewatched it just the other day.
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« Reply #261 on: 03-09-2020 20:05 »

The Super Star Destroyer is controlled from a small room called the Bridge. This area is protected by shield generators. Shield generators cannot withstand prolonged fire from something like an entire Rebel fleet pouring every shot they have into the shield. Thus, when Ackbar says "concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer", he is dooming the ship to destruction.

The previous shots show the A-Wings and Y-wings ripping through the shields and exploding the generator on one side of the Bridge. The deleted scenes include a B-Wing bombing assualt run that was cut because the effects team couldn't make it look not-shit.

The dialogue on the bridge consists of one in-charge-type-guy telling another one that they just lost the Bridge shielding. He responds by telling them to fire more shots faster so that nothing hits them.

At that moment, an A-Wing flies through a turbolaser blast, and crashes through the Bridge windows in flames, destroying the Super Star Destroyer's control center and killing the senior command crew.

The Death Star is right below the ship, and the gravitational field of the enormous space station exerts a pull on the Super Star Destroyer that cannot be counteracted with the Bridge having been destroyed (the ship is also still under continuous attack).

Thus, the ship "falls" toward the Death Star, and collides with it.

Generally, it is considered unwise to crash your giant spaceship into another one. As the SSD pancakes into the surface of the Death Star, it is consumed by flames.

Much of this does not hold up to scientific scrutiny, but it works in the context of the movie, and actually has a (poor but existing) in-universe explanation.

Anyway. Links:

Huge ISD.

The ISDs I referred to in my previous post.

Just watch the first seven videos in this list.
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« Reply #262 on: 03-10-2020 08:19 »

Right. I do vaguely remember some dialogue related to the shields.

But still... I find it very difficult to believe that such an enormous ship that carries tens of thousands of troops doesn't have greater protection and all kinds of backups and shit.

Anyway, it's definitely not the weirdest thing to come out of Star Wars.
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« Reply #263 on: 03-12-2020 03:15 »

FWIW a long time ago on a discussion board far far away (ol' slashdot smile), there was a Star Trek vs Star Wars thread, and I opined: star trek would win any fight immediately, because they could just use their transporters to put a torpedo on the bridge of a Star Destroyer.

Now that I hear the Star Destroyers had shields on their bridges, I'm not sure if that would work. Might still work if they transported the torpedo to the magazine of the Star Destroyer or something, though...
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« Reply #264 on: 03-13-2020 01:21 »

the entire ship is shielded ..not just the bridge..

Still the old debate of how Star Trek is so superior to everything else cause they can beam a torpedo into the reactor core, or beam the crew out in space.. has been done to death for like 4 decades now and its still as pointless as it was in late 70s..

Specially on franchises where even the writers forget or dont care about the franchise own logic or basics

Han says in ep IV that Hyperspace travel is tricky and requires carefull planing and calculations in order to properly work? dond worry.. 34 years later he can just hyperspace directly into a planet or from a ship's hangar ...and not long after Poe can just yank the hyperspace lever and do random instant hyperspace jumps ending in between planets, cities and stuff

We get plenty of writing about the First Order star destroyers having learned the lesson from Endor and not having all functions centralized in the bridge to avoid Executor like scenarios again? no worries.. now you only need Fynn hijacking a turret and pointing it against the bridge and fire a cople shots into the bridge .. now not only will the ship loss control.. but it will also explode.. cause JJ wants it so..

Even with Lucas it was messy as Star Wars never worried much about technology and the sci part of sci-fi..  but with theese folks it went straight down the drain..and now all stuff will be what the plot demands
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« Reply #265 on: 03-14-2020 00:54 »

Hmm, didn't realize it was already such a tired theme, apologies for that.

I do agree about the latest movies being too lax. There's got to be a constant tension between telling a story and sticking to the internal limits of a story's universe. Too much of either is bad, and the later star wars movies it seems gave up on too much of those limits.

There's also something, I can't quite describe it, but losing the predictability of a story makes it tempting to give up on following it. By predictability I mean the ability to think that some action will lead to some reaction. I don't mean that you can guess what will happen next in the story at all times, or that discovering new limits or aspects of the story's universes' mechanics is boring. More that all actions in the story should fall somewhere on the scale from totally predictable reaction to totally unpredictable reaction. Losing that 'predictable reaction' end of the scale leaves a story rootless and makes it very tempting to lose interest.
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« Reply #266 on: 03-18-2020 13:50 »

Hmm, didn't realize it was already such a tired theme, apologies for that.

No worries, i meant universally.. treekies have been bashing other franchises with that argument since the 70s... literally..

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I do agree about the latest movies being too lax. There's got to be a constant tension between telling a story and sticking to the internal limits of a story's universe. Too much of either is bad, and the later star wars movies it seems gave up on too much of those limits.

I dont agree.. you build a universe.. a set of rules and then you make history over that... a writert saying "i had to bend that a bit/lot because otherwise it wont work with my history or be boring" is a lazy/bad writer ... there is many franchises like Babylon 5 , Battlestar Galactica (new) or the recent Expanse that have much restrictive "universe laws" and not only dont need to violate them ..but often incorporate them cleverly in the plot.. even Star Trek used to do that ...most of the time.. and that helped to build a coherent world and plot.. Star Wars restrictions werent nearly as annoying or limiting as the mentioned franchises
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« Reply #267 on: 03-21-2020 00:22 »

One grey area is invention within a series. Take the ablative armour in Star Trek. I remember that best in Voyager, when it was used to defend against the Borg, but it was also used in Deep Space Nine. Both times, though, the invention of that technology within the story's universe change the limits of what was possible for spacecraft within the series, without necessarily breaking any fundamental physical law. If done wrongly, that sort of invention can seem very much like a cheat on the writer's part.
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« Reply #268 on: 03-21-2020 00:58 »

I realize I'm straying a bit from the topic of this thread... I'll summarize by saying: the treatment of the in-universe rules in the 3rd trilogy, especially episode IX, was shameful.
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« Reply #269 on: 03-21-2020 08:46 »

Season 2 of The Mandalorian will feature Ahsoka Tano, played by Rosario Dawson.

Firstly, I'm surprised that they're announcing this now since as far as I know all the Disney+ shows are in postponed at the moment due to some kind of obscure sickness that I'm sure none of you have heard of.

Anyway, I'm very happy with this news since Ahsoka is one of my favourite Star Wars characters and Rosario Dawson is an excellent actress. Since Star Wars: Rebels ended with Ahsoka searching for Ezra alongside Sabine Wren, it's very likely that the latter will appear in some capacity, especially considering her Mandalorian background and connection to the darksaber.
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« Reply #270 on: 03-21-2020 19:04 »

Anyway, I'm very happy with this news since Ahsoka is one of my favourite Star Wars characters and Rosario Dawson is an excellent actress. Since Star Wars: Rebels ended with Ahsoka searching for Ezra alongside Sabine Wren, it's very likely that the latter will appear in some capacity, especially considering her Mandalorian background and connection to the darksaber.

Maybe now they will explain the no helmet-off thing ... as even if Sabine dont show up Ahsoka has talked with tons of Mandalorians during the clone wars (and later with Sabine) who did took their helmets off... a simple line like "oh you are one of those who believe in the way are you" thats enough.. but viewers from CloneWars/Rebels are still some confused with this trait in the Mandalorian
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« Reply #271 on: 03-22-2020 00:56 »

Yeah, I can definitely accept the idea that only this particular faction of Mandalorians are sworn to keep their helmets on, but the fact that that made such a big deal about it without acknowledging the clone wars era of Mandalorians is kind of odd.
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« Reply #272 on: 03-24-2020 02:01 »
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I realize I'm straying a bit from the topic of this thread... I'll summarize by saying: the treatment of the in-universe rules in the 3rd trilogy, especially episode IX, was shameful.

thats what happens when you handle writing to someone who totally ignores stablished material.. even from the classic trilogy.. and someone who on top of that either ignores or choses to ignore a dedicated group to continuity within Lucasfilms

Yeah, I can definitely accept the idea that only this particular faction of Mandalorians are sworn to keep their helmets on, but the fact that that made such a big deal about it without acknowledging the clone wars era of Mandalorians is kind of odd.


If they are any coherent we have a few hints.. Mando says he has not showed his face to anyon else since he was a little older than the kids we see on Sorgan.. and we know for the flashbacks that he lost his parents and was rescued by some Death Watch squad during the Clone Wars.. that means he and whoever faction rescued him has been observing the no helmet off since at least the clone wars.. (its not a thing related to the Great Purgue or the later Imperial ocupation and represal of Mandalore).. and canonically we see many mandalorians AFTER that point taking their helmets off (As Rebels takes plance betwen 5 to 1 year before the battle of Yavin).. even Sabine was still showing her face after the battle of Endor.. so it shouldnt be a universal thing.. and not only Filoni.. but Favreau has dubbed Mandalorians showing their faces since Clone Wars..both of them should know more than well enough
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« Reply #273 on: 05-01-2020 14:46 »

I have to say it... the newest Clone Wars season is fucking amazing.

I wasn't super impressed with episodes 1-8, but the Siege of Mandalore arc has been so bloody good. I can't wait to see the final episode next week.
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« Reply #274 on: 05-02-2020 13:46 »

The Siege of Mandalor is being awesome.. too bad how they wasted episodes with the stupid sisters ..wich btw i liked their experience with the Jedi representing the countless colateral damage the Jedi left behind and how so many had became disencanted with the Jedi...but they ended up not doing much and there is literally a full chapter wich goes nowhere with them .. literally could been cutted out
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« Reply #275 on: 05-03-2020 09:10 »

The Siege of Mandalor is being awesome.. too bad how they wasted episodes with the stupid sisters ..wich btw i liked their experience with the Jedi representing the countless colateral damage the Jedi left behind and how so many had became disencanted with the Jedi...but they ended up not doing much and there is literally a full chapter wich goes nowhere with them .. literally could been cutted out

Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't mind if the season was longer, but having 4/12 episodes that are just filler is a bit disappointing. Mind you, I didn't actually dislike that arc. It was just nowhere near as good as the other two.
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« Reply #276 on: 05-03-2020 18:24 »

I can't remember if I posted my thoughts on The Rise of Skywalker or not back when I saw it in December; but I watched it for a second time a few days ago and I know it has been criticised to death & over-analysed, but it really annoys me how Palpatine tells Kylo to kill Rey, then when Rey is in his dungeon-thing on Exegol he's like "you need to kill me so my spirit can go into you!"

Shouldn't he have told Kylo to capture her and bring her to him alive if that was the case? Was her spirit supposed to go into Kylo and then Palpatine would have just killed Kylo when he returned, getting both of their spirits/Force energy that way? He seems unaware of the Force bond that Kylo shares with Rey up until they are in the same room together, yet he also says he is responsible for Snoke, who was definitely aware of the bond they had (even claiming to be the one who created it, which could be a lie, but nonetheless, that makes Palpatine aware of the bond either way).

And don't get me started on the ridiculous item quest to find the Sith wayfinder. The blade is the dumbest part by far. So Ochi found the vault in the Death Star II wreck with the wayfinder in it and decided to mark it's location by making a blade the same shape as the wreckage? But he then uses the same blade to murder Rey's parents (and probably many others), which seems rather careless considering how valuable the information the blade holds must be.

God, it's such a messy, convoluted piece of shit. If you switch your brain off and stop trying to find the massive errors and observe the poor character writing, it's a decent movie. I love Ben Solo as a hero at the end, shame he's like that for about 10 minutes, if that.

I still think Rey should have turned evil in TLJ & maybe had Kylo become Ben. What a nice flip that would have been. They needed to cut out all the First Order stuff too, it feels so cheap to have another Empire after they were defeated in the OT. I could go on but there's too much to break-down about why Disney's Sequel Trilogy sucks ass. no no
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« Reply #277 on: 05-03-2020 19:47 »

f you switch your brain off and stop trying to find the massive errors and observe the poor character writing, it's a decent movie.

Even if you do that, it really only has a collection of decent movie visuals. The dialogue is as clunky as the prequels, the pacing is as far in the other direction of TLJ as it could go. There's no fucking balance. The color palette is noticeably fucked with, the battles are cut to ribbons and restitched to provide a sense of action and in doing this all sense of cohesion is lost. The plot is so wafer thin you could offer it to Mr. Creosote, and the ending makes so little sense even within the overall framing of the plot, the universe, and the story arc crafted for Star Wars that it might as well have simply been a collection of separated scenes with no interconnection other than "and now for something happening on the other side of the galaxy".

At this point, I'd love for Disney to toss out the canon of everything except the original trilogy, and go ahead and make Shadows of the Empire, the Thrawn trilogy, and a trilogy of films based on the story for Knights of the Old Republic.

I also think that this would re-establish the Star Wars franchise as something that can have wonderful installments which deepen and enrich the experiences of the fandom whilst at the same time making a ton of money. Which is what Disney wanted when they bought it.
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« Reply #278 on: 05-04-2020 23:39 »

Academy Award Winner Taika Waititi To Direct And Co-Write New Star Wars Feature Film For Theatrical Release; Oscar Nominee Krysty Wilson-Cairns To Co-Write Screenplay With Waititi
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« Reply #279 on: 05-07-2020 06:14 »

I don't know why Disney doesn't release the original trilogy on DVD and blu-ray.  I doubt that I'm the only person who would buy a set.  It's like they're just leaving money on the table.

An entire generation had grown up never having seen the originals now, and I think that's a real shame.
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