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Super Hans

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« Reply #320 on: 02-20-2020 10:33 »

What discrimination do Indians face? Nobody really cares enough about them to discriminate against them, their stereotype is the convenience store clerk, call centre worker or IT geek. The most discrimination they will face is from higher caste Indians (which Hari himself is and benefited from) which I've witnessed first hand.
Gorky

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« Reply #321 on: 02-20-2020 23:10 »

Just gonna leave this here for no reason at all: "Colorblind Racism and the Model Minority."

To be fair--and as this op-ed notes--it's true that Indian-Americans can demonstrate racism toward their fellow Indian-Americans. But you're still oversimplifying the matter, like, a lot.

I've seen a bunch of Simpsons since Disney+ came out. I've seen most of the episodes in the first 10 seasons but I'm amazed at how little I remember of them. I'm also amazed at the quality dip. Obviously the Simpsons is infamous for becoming... well, shit, but I was dumbfounded at how fast it went downhill. Season 11 is where I'm up to and I'm not sure I can be bothered going any further.

I've always felt that the quality dip is very pronounced between season 8 (good) and season 9 (noticeably less good), with seasons 10 through 15 basically maintaining that less-good standard while still being enjoyable enough (and occasionally bordering on brilliant). I stopped watching regularly after season 15 and never regretted it, though I'm sure there are isolated moments of goodness in the subsequent 16 (Jesus Christ) seasons.

Do you have a favorite season of those first 10, UrL? I go back and forth between season 6 and season 7 (with season 4 being a close runner-up)--just curious what your take is, as someone who's done a recent rewatch.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #322 on: 02-21-2020 08:52 »

Do you have a favorite season of those first 10, UrL? I go back and forth between season 6 and season 7 (with season 4 being a close runner-up)--just curious what your take is, as someone who's done a recent rewatch.

It's tough to nail it down to a particular season since I was basically binging it (and paying little attention to when the seasons started and ended), but I think around season 6 was my favourite.

Some of my favourite episodes were:

Bart vs. Thanksgiving
Lisa's First Word
Marge vs. the Monorail
I Love Lisa
Cape Feare
Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song
And Maggie Makes Three
Who Shot Mr. Burns? (both parts!)
Mother Simpson
22 Short Films About Springfield
You Only Move Twice

That was just from skimming Wikipedia and seeing the ones I remembered the names of. Funnily enough, I ended up finding a lot of the Homer episodes kind of grating since I can only really tolerate him in secondary roles (there's only so much idiocy I can take). And for similar reasons, the Lisa-based episodes ended up being the most compelling for me.
Gorky

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« Reply #323 on: 02-22-2020 22:04 »
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That's a fair take on Homer, though I've always thought of him as one of my two favorite characters (with Lisa being the other). That may just be because I enjoy the Homer/Lisa dynamic so much; many of my favorite episodes ("Lisa's Substitute," "Lisa's Wedding," "Lost our Lisa," "HOMR") are based around that father-daughter relationship that I think the show does so well.

Some of my favourite episodes were:

Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song

I think season five may be my least favorite of the classic-era seasons (with the possible exception of season one), but "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song" is one of my all-time favorites, too. I find that whole "Kick Me"/"Teach Me" ending far more touching than it's probably intended to be.

That's also a good example of Homer serving as tertiary comic relief, what with his insistence on helping when he finds out Bart and Skinner are planning Flanders's downfall.
Gorky

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« Reply #324 on: 05-26-2020 01:26 »

So last night I sort of accidentally stumbled into watching a newer Simpsons episode--season 30's "Baby You Can't Drive My Car"--and goddamn was it atrocious. The plot itself was actually competent and cogent enough, but the jokes were nonexistent (I think exactly one line elicited a small laugh from me, and I couldn't even tell you what that line was less than 24 hours later) and the acting was phoned-in and almost deflated (from Julie Kavner in particular, which was particularly noticeable as this was a Marge-heavy episode). It just bummed me the fuck out, man--I'm sure there are decent enough episodes to be found in the last 20-odd years of the series, but this sure wasn't one of 'em.

I also caught "Treehouse of Horror XXIX," but I was only half-watching it and I'm never all that keen on THOHs anyway, so I'll reserve judgment on that one.
David A

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« Reply #325 on: 05-27-2020 04:41 »

I don't remember exactly when I stopped watching new episodes of The Simpsons.  I do remember that I hadn't noticed a decline in the quality of the show before I started posting on PEEL and saw other people's posts about it.  Once it had been pointed out to me, I couldn't stop noticing it.

New episodes are unwatchable now, and have been for a very long time.  That doesn't keep me from still enjoying old episodes when I do see them, though.
Gorky

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« Reply #326 on: 05-29-2020 01:14 »

Heh, I used to post pretty regularly on No Homers Club, and I think that's where I was indoctrinated into the whole "The First Eight Seasons are Gold, Everything Else is Garbage" mindset. Honestly, while I do think there's a very distinct drop in quality between season eight and season nine, overall the much-maligned Scully seasons (9-12) are nowhere near as atrocious as, say, the past fifteen years of the series. The characterizations get broader and the jokes get dumber in the Scully years, but there are still enough genuine classics among the bunch ("Lost Our Lisa" is my perennial example, but you also have "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace," "Behind the Laughter," and "Trilogy of Error," to name a few) to make it worth one's while.

For my part, I stopped watching after season 15, and I have yet to see an episode from any subsequent season that has made me regret that decision.
David A

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« Reply #327 on: 05-29-2020 03:48 »

I've never been involved in Simpsons fandom online.  I've really only ever been tangentially aware of it through PEEL.

Also, keep in mind that back when I started posting here, there were only about a dozen seasons.  There had already been a discernable drop in quality, but in a "This really isn't as good as it used to be," way, not in a "This is horrible and I can't watch any more of it," way.
tyraniak

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« Reply #328 on: 06-12-2020 05:06 »

I stuck around until about season 20 and maybe catch 2-3 episodes a year, almost all of them being completely forgettable
newhook_1

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« Reply #329 on: 06-22-2020 15:48 »

Heh, I used to post pretty regularly on No Homers Club, and I think that's where I was indoctrinated into the whole "The First Eight Seasons are Gold, Everything Else is Garbage" mindset. Honestly, while I do think there's a very distinct drop in quality between season eight and season nine, overall the much-maligned Scully seasons (9-12) are nowhere near as atrocious as, say, the past fifteen years of the series. The characterizations get broader and the jokes get dumber in the Scully years, but there are still enough genuine classics among the bunch ("Lost Our Lisa" is my perennial example, but you also have "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace," "Behind the Laughter," and "Trilogy of Error," to name a few) to make it worth one's while.

For my part, I stopped watching after season 15, and I have yet to see an episode from any subsequent season that has made me regret that decision.

I gave up around the same place. It seemed like there was a spike in quality around season 13 or 14 when Al Gene took over as show runner. There were a few in there I'd consider classics like "Weekend at Burnsies" and "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington". Even a couple I liked in season 15 like "I, (Annoyed Grunt)-bot" and "The President Wore Pearls". Then the show seemed to rapidly get so bland in 16 it became unwatchable. I remember somewhat liking season 15 at the time it aired, then tuning in for the premier of "All's Fair in Oven War" and thinking it was god awful.

It's funny if you look up the seasons on wikipedia, the articles includes little critical reception summaries from the DVD releases and you can see the drop off. It goes from positive in season 15 to mixed by season 18.

leelaholic

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« Reply #330 on: 08-06-2020 02:28 »

I haven't watched a new Simpsons since the Itchy and Scratchy reboot episode. If you'd told me as a kid that I'd one day be a full season behind on Simpsons, I wouldn't have believed you.
Gorky

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« Reply #331 on: 08-06-2020 16:32 »

I remember somewhat liking season 15 at the time it aired, then tuning in for the premier of "All's Fair in Oven War" and thinking it was god awful.

That was absolutely my experience, as well (though I may have enjoyed season 15 with fewer reservations than you). I do think I stuck around for parts of season 16--at the very least, a quick look-see at Wikipedia reminded me that I definitely saw the season finale, "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star"--but it was no longer required weekly viewing for me.

I think I must have dropped off at some point in season 17. I did come back for parts of season 20 because it was in the news a lot (mid-season is when the switch to HD happened) and I'd heard tell it was relatively decent; I even own the bare-bones season 20 DVD that was released shortly after the season ended in commemoration of the show's two-decade milestone. Impressed enough by season 20, I tuned in for the season 21 premiere, "Homer the Whopper," AKA the episode Seth Rogen wrote and guest-starred in while working on The Green Hornet, and then promptly and permanently fell off the wagon.

The last post-21 episode I actually sought out was "Holidays of Future Passed" from season 23--again, because I heard it was good--and I recall being just sort of meh on it. (This was my same reaction to "Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind" from season 19, which I also tracked down at a later date, and on good word-of-mouth; oddly enough, I also watched "That 90's Show" from the same season, which people had complained about because it so thoroughly fucked with the timeline of Homer and Marge's courtship, and I actually liked that one better.)

At this point I've just resigned myself to the fact that I'll probably never be a Simpsons completionist--or, at least, I won't bother attempting a full series rewatch until the show actually ends, and who knows when that'll finally be?
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