The Last Sequel and Remake Discussion Thread Part II

[Reply #240 on:]

The Joker seems a little derivative, but what do you expect? Ledger was the first screen Joker in decades, and any new Joker was going to be compared to him in the same way that he was compared to Nicholson.

Better (or rather, safer) to go with something that's like the last version we saw rather than something that's unlike anything we've encountered. Less chance of a negative audience reaction.

[Reply #241 on:]

To be honest, I'm not even gonna care much if Suicide Squad ends up tanking.

I'm mostly curious to see how DC handles the 'obscure team', and if they'll have the same success Marvel had with Guardians. Also, I've always wanted to see a live-action Harley, who I definitely don't have a crush on.

[Reply #242 on:]

What else was there? I know there was the group photo and picture of Joker but I fail to see why they'd make you concerned about the quality of the movie

I found both of those images to be comically disheartening. I hated the look they've come up with the Joker, and that image they released in particular was terrible in my opinion...everything from him being shirtless to the tattoos to the idiotic expression on his face did absolutely nothing for me. I still dislike how he looks in the trailer, but Jared Leto at least seems to be very into the role, and I agree with tnuk about it not really being fair to expect a revolutionary new take on the character so soon.

The group photo of the cast in costume was also awful. For the most part their outfits looked almost entirely the same, with an incredibly boring aesthetic of black and brown leather and not much else. It looked like bad cosplay, and it didn't help that the quality of the photo itself was pretty subpar. The trailer, however, shows quite a bit of variation from that photo, with a nice shot of a version of Deadshot's classic costume that looks decent and everyone else looking slightly less bland and same-y.

[Reply #243 on:]

I really hope there's a scene where The Joker goes to a tattoo parlour and looks through some of the designs before producing a crude sketch he did of the "Hah" that he wants and asks if the artist can do something with it followed by scenes where he shows Harley et al the half-completed tattoos and waits for them to heal underneath his bandages and Killer Croc keeps slapping them for a laugh.

[Reply #244 on:]

I wouldn't say I'm 100% thrilled about the character designs either but I don't think that's a great indicator on what to expect for the movie itself.

I really hope there's a scene where The Joker goes to a tattoo parlour and looks through some of the designs before producing a crude sketch he did of the "Hah" that he wants and asks if the artist can do something with it followed by scenes where he shows Harley et al the half-completed tattoos and waits for them to heal underneath his bandages and Killer Croc keeps slapping them for a laugh.

In my head, that paragraph played out like a scene from a sitcom.

[Reply #245 on:]

I wouldn't say I'm 100% thrilled about the character designs either but I don't think that's a great indicator on what to expect for the movie itself.

Well, I think it was a combination of the designs as well as what you said about being skeptical in the first place. Everything from Warner Bros. DC movies has looked pretty disappointing so far. That said, David Ayer is a competent director, and the premise for the story itself is pretty great, so this could definitely be pulled off.

[Reply #246 on:]

Disney has begun to develop a live-action “Aladdin” prequel titled “Genies,” which will take place in the Realm of Genies and tell the story of how Aladdin’s Genie ended up in the lamp.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Damian Shannon and Mark Swift are already on board to pen the script, with Tripp Vinson producing. In the original “Aladdin” animated feature, Genie was played by the late Robin Williams, who improvised much of the dialogue for the beloved character.

Anther one in a planned line of live-action remakes of Disney movies

[Reply #247 on:]

So, now we're getting Pinocchio, Dumbo, Alice: Through the Looking Glass, Tinker Bell, Maleficent 2, Prince Charming, The Jungle Book, Winnie the Pooh, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Genies, Aladdin, Mulan and Pete's Dragon and we've already had Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland and Maleficent.

So, at that rate, it's pretty much a done deal that we're also going to get Seven Dwarfs, Bambi, The Rescuers, The Great Mouse Detective, Hercules and some sort of crazy CGI motion-capture Lion King within 5 years, as well.

I'm not expecting even one of them to be good.

[Reply #248 on:]

A quote from Independence Day comes to mind...

"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should…"

[Reply #249 on:]

A quote from Independence Day comes to mind...

"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should…"

That's Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park. Although I can almost forgive you for messing that up since Jeff Goldblum basically plays himself playing his idealised image of himself in both movies.

[Reply #250 on:]

I thought he didn't start doing that until these apartment commercials.

[Reply #251 on:]

Shoot!  Thanks for the correction!

[Reply #252 on:]

I think this thread is for movies, Beamer.

[Reply #253 on:]

Deadpool.

"Please don't make the suit green! Or animated!"

[Reply #254 on:]

TJ MILLER!!!!!!!!!

[Reply #255 on:]

Oh boy, another superhero movie.

[Reply #256 on:]

Oh boy, another superhero movie.

4-5 superhero movies a year isn't that much, especially if you don't even watch them all.* I mean, how many dramas come out each year? What about generic action movies and romantic comedies?

*In case you didn't know, Deadpool and the new Fantastic Four movie (which is allegedly terrible) aren't actually made by Marvel studios, and are completely independent of the MCU and Marvel's schedule.

[Reply #257 on:]

Ya. Seems like he's not really upset about how many there are, but actually just at the fact that they're popular.

[Reply #258 on:]

Thought for the day:

I really want to see the Game of Thrones cast do Dune. Charles Dance as the Emperor would be fantastic. Iain Glen as Duke Leto would be awesome. Carice van Houten as Jessica. Jerome Flynn as Piter de Vried. Liam Cunningham as Stilgar. Ian McElhinney as Jamis. Diana Rigg as the Reverend Mother.

Whether good or bad, this would be the most watched ten hours of television at the point of broadcast in the history of television so far. It'd eclipse the superbowl, render breaking news irrelevant, and inspire a new flavour in bizarre crossover fanart.

[Reply #259 on:]

TNUK: 1

Universe: 0

[Reply #260 on:]

Marvel announced "Ant-Man and the Wasp", set to come out in 2018. This is at the expense of Captain Marvel, who has been pushed back again. However, Black Panther has been pulled forward and is out before Infinity War pt1 now.

They also confirmed the existence of three unannounced 2020 films.

What I predict: GotG3, Spider-Man sequel and Dr. Strange 2 (depending on the success). If they somehow get the X-Men or Fantastic Four rights back by then I could see them doing those instead.

[Reply #261 on:]

I'm really glad about that news. I thought Ant-Man was great, but it's had a fairly lukewarm reception for a Marvel project, so I kind of expected Scott Lang and the Wasp to show up in films like Captain America: Civil War and future The Avengers movies, but not get a true sequel, as has happened with The Incredible Hulk.

I also agree with your bets on those three films. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is almost 100% guaranteed at this point, given Marvel's way of working combined with the huge success of the first. Sony will want to push forward with new Spider-Man movies a.s.a.p. to the point that I imagine the only reason a second one isn't already slated for phase 3 is because they want to test the waters with how successful this second reboot is first. I wouldn't be surprised if the Spider-Man movie gets announced and slotted in ahead of other films, as has happened with Ant-Man, to be honest. And, based on their way of working in trilogies and how they contract people, I'd say the third film pretty much has to be either:
-Doctor Strange 2 (most likely as it's furthest from the first film out of all these new, upcoming movies)
-Ant-Man 3 (very unlikely - too close to Ant-Man 2)
-Black Panther 2 (unlikely - too close to the first)
-Captain Marvel 2 (very unlikely - too close to the first)
-Inhumans 2 (very unlikely - too close to the first)
-The Incredible Hulk 2 (Planet Hulk seems like a pretty strong possibility at some point and the events of Avengers: Infinity War could easily lead to this, but as things stand, it's a long shot)
-Black Widow (it's in development, but I can't see it ever happening - I'm not sure that Black Widow can sustain an entire film on her own, frankly)
-Nick Fury (also in development and I'm even less sure that Fury can sustain an entire film on his own)
-Runaways (also in development, so actually quite possible - but from what I know about it, it might be a bit too similar to Inhumans to happen so soon)
-Sinister Six (was in development at Sony as part of the old Spider-Man slate - various comments have suggested that these spin-offs aren't completely dead and might be re-tooled for the new universe, but if it does ever happen, they'll probably wait until we're at least two conventional Spider-Man films into that side of this universe)
-Venom (as above)
-something else new (pretty likely, but a sequel is more likely)

[Reply #262 on:]

Counter-dot points!

I'm pretty sure they've already confirmed that Wasp isn't in Captain America: Civil War. Ant-Man is though.
-I think Black Widow is popular enough now to carry her own movie, so I could see them doing that at some stage. However I wouldn't lose much sleep if it never happened because she works just fine as a secondary character. As far as female leads go, I wouldn't be surprised if they did She-Hulk or Spider Woman eventually. However since they keep delaying Captain Marvel it doesn't look like they're in any rush to get a female lead.
-I'd love a Nick Fury movie because I love SLJ's portrayal of him but I don't think it's gonna happen.
-I doubt we'll ever get another Hulk standalone movie due to more of those weird licensing agreements. Apparently Marvel/Disney have to share any profits they make on a Hulk movie with Universal Studios, but they're free to insert him into any other movie they want otherwise. Planet Hulk would be cool but he'd need to be Hulked out all the time (I assume- I never ended up finishing reading Planet Hulk) and that would be costly CGI-wise.
-Speaking of Hulk, They announced today that he's gonna be in Thor: Ragnarok. So I guess that's cool.
-I could also see them doing an Illuminati movie some time after Inhumans. They can't use Mr. Fantastic or Xavier/Beast but they could always just throw in somebody new.
-I feel like the Spider-Man villains are iconic enough to hold their own movies but it'll probably depend on who they use beforehand. I doubt they'll use anyone from the Amazing Spider-Man films (except maybe Rhino) but I'm hoping Kingpin or Punisher shows up in one. If there's one thing I want, it's more continuity with the Netflix shows.
-They'll probably end up proving us all wrong and make a movie for Squirrel Girl or Howard the Duck.

[Reply #263 on:]

Counter-counter-dot-points!!

I'm pretty sure they've already confirmed that Wasp isn't in Captain America: Civil War. Ant-Man is though.

I was speaking in broad strokes when I said I expected them to just show up in films like that and Avengers 3/4. I know Ant-Man is definitely in Civil War, but I think everything else remains to be seen. That said, I think it's a safe bet that we'll see him and, probably, Wasp, at some point in one of the Infinity War Avengers films.

-I doubt we'll ever get another Hulk standalone movie due to more of those weird licensing agreements. Apparently Marvel/Disney have to share any profits they make on a Hulk movie with Universal Studios, but they're free to insert him into any other movie they want otherwise. Planet Hulk would be cool but he'd need to be Hulked out all the time (I assume- I never ended up finishing reading Planet Hulk) and that would be costly CGI-wise.

It wouldn't be any more costly than just making an animated film and enough animated films get made every year to suggest that Disney/Marvel could probably afford that.

That said, that's a good point about the rights issues. As you say, they've just announced that Hulk will play a prominent role in Thor: Ragnarok (which has made me 10 times more excited for Thor: Ragnarok), but does also sound like they're either setting up Planet Hulk or they're going to take the bones of Planet Hulk and work it into a Thor film.
I guess they could make Planet Hulk whilst including some other characters and get away with it not being a solo-Hulk movie for the rights issues? Would that work?

-I feel like the Spider-Man villains are iconic enough to hold their own movies but it'll probably depend on who they use beforehand. I doubt they'll use anyone from the Amazing Spider-Man films (except maybe Rhino) but I'm hoping Kingpin or Punisher shows up in one. If there's one thing I want, it's more continuity with the Netflix shows.

Rumour has it that Kraven the Hunter is going to be the villain in the first new Spider-Man film that they make. You'd think that any villain getting a solo film would probably want to be set up in a film before spinning off into their own film, but I suppose that isn't completely necessary.
I think that we'll see some continuity with the Netflix shows at some point. For a while, I thought it was looking like they might pop up in one of the new Avengers films, but I'm not so sure now. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if something happens.

-They'll probably end up proving us all wrong and make a movie for Squirrel Girl or Howard the Duck.

I'd be totally down with that. They've pretty much said that Howard the Duck isn't going to happen, though.

[Reply #264 on:]

I'm pretty sure they've already confirmed that Wasp isn't in Captain America: Civil War. Ant-Man is though.

When was this "confirmed"? They announced the cast of Civil War (where they mentioned Paul Rudd) before the actual release of Ant-Man, so I figure it's totally possible that Evangeline Lily will be in at as well but that Marvel simply didn't want to spoil the Wasp reveal at the end of Ant-Man.

[Reply #265 on:]

Kevin Feige I believe said he didn't want to officially introduce Wasp in a super quick cameo in CA: Civil War, he wanted to do the character more justice than that. So no, she's not appearing in that movie.

[Reply #266 on:]

Here's the Civil War trailer.

It looks like Bucky is the catalyst behind the conflict, which is a good way of keeping it a Captain America film instead of an Avengers film. My one concern is that it will feel unfocused with such a large cast, but it's reassuring that this trailer focuses on the CA characters and people like Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch are left in the background.

Oh, and Black Panther's suit looks amazing.

[Reply #267 on:]

This is a poster for Deadpool.



I'm not totally sold on weather or not the actual movie will be any good or not, but the marketing has been brilliant.

[Reply #268 on:]

This was a completely unexpected, out-of-the-blue sequel announcement. Out in less than 2 months!

I'm a fan of the original Cloverfield, but I'm skeptical about this film. It began production/was filmed a few years ago; apparently they've just done some re-shoots and slapped the Cloverfield name on it. J.J. Abrams says it's a "blood relative" of the original film, whatever that means.*

I'm interested to see how this will connect to the original film (if at all ). Most theories suggest that outside the bunker is

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scorched earth and Cloverfield monsters roaming around everywhere; the aftermath of the original film.

*I'd just like to point out that I hate when they pull this type of bullshit; it should directly be referred to as a sequel/spin-off/prequel/remake. It's like how Ridley Scott spoke about Prometheus in regards to the Alien franchise. It's so vague, really, what is the point?

[Reply #269 on:]

Thanks for the spoiler tags, as I own a copy of Cloverfield but haven't been arsed to watch it.  Now I'm intrigued

[Reply #270 on:]

I think it'll just be a lame attempt to turn Cloverfield into a genre-anthology franchise where each film has no real connection to the last beyond, maybe, some easter egg like a brand of toothpaste turning up in all of them or what have you.

But I say that without having watched the sequel or read into things very much, given that I thought that Cloverfield was absolutely dreadful and that J.J. Abrams' work varies from awful to good-in-spite-of-completely-missing-the-point-of-the-franchise (I know that he didn't direct either Cloverfield film, but his grubby hands are all over them).

And the point to the bullshit is that vagueness is fuel for nerdy discussion. We wouldn't be discussing this film right now if they hadn't thrown some vague, tenuous link to another film into the marketing campaign and, as a result of us talking about it, we're both now more invested in the project. I'll probably be more likely to pay attention to the reviews when it comes out to see if it's worth going to see, now. And other forum members will read this and be made aware of the thing. It may be cynical but it works.

[Reply #271 on:]

First proper look at the new Ghostbusters:

[Reply #272 on:]

The first 21 seconds looked really good
Judging from the Youtube like/dislike ratio, the Nerd-Rage seems to be strong in this one.

[Reply #273 on:]

I've avoided watching the trailer on general principles.  Typically I'll only watch trailers for films I have no intention of seeing.  If feedback from people seeing this new film proves to be positive I might catch it in a matinee.

[Reply #274 on:]

Finally an animated feature film that looks interesting.

[Reply #275 on:]

This gif from the new Suicide Squad trailer makes me feel tingly inside.

[Reply #276 on:]

Cate Blanchett, Jeff Goldblum, Tessa Thompson & Karl Urban all confirmed for Thor: Ragnarok.

[Reply #277 on:]

Cate Blanchett would be perfect for Thanos' girlfriend, Death.

[Reply #278 on:]

She's reportedly playing Hela.

[Reply #279 on:]

So apparently Minecraft is now getting it's own movie.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/minecraft-movie-gets-release-date-in-summer-2019-184811564.html

Of all the games to make a movie from - Halo, Battlefield, BioShock, Elder Scrolls, etc. - why is Minecraft one of them? Hell, what are they even going to base it off of? "An Unexpected Recipe" or "The Desolation of Enderdragon" or "The Battle of Five Mobs"? Don't get me wrong, I love Minecraft to death. As a game. But as a movie, what are they actually going to base it off in order to make a sufficient film out of it? Sounds like a bad ripoff of the Sponge Bob movie, in my opinion.

However, with that being said, at least filmmakers are starting to wake up to the video game franchise now; what with Assassin's Creed and World of Warcraft getting their own movies to them. Sooner or later other big leads in video games might be getting their shine on the Hollywood spotlight as well, so at least that particular field is starting to get some proper, professional attention.

But still, Minecraft: The Movie? Really? I don't even.