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« on: 11-15-2013 21:34 »
« Last Edit on: 11-15-2013 21:37 by Xanfor »

What's your opinion on the infamous banned episode of Pokemon that caused all those kids to get seizures? I still remember when it first aired. I was in the hospital for seven years, and I got a massive cash settlement from the company as well. Now I'm rich!
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« Reply #1 on: 11-15-2013 21:42 »

What's your opinion on the infamous banned episode of Pokemon that caused all those kids to get seizures?

Myth busted. Not only did the episode never air outside of Japan, nobody received any cash settlements.

Besides which, if you were rich, you'd be on PEEL Platinum rather than slumming it with the rest of us.
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« Reply #2 on: 11-15-2013 21:49 »

Did we seriously not have a Pokemon thread?   wtf?

I saw this episode seizure-free at one point when I was younger, I'm guessing on the internet.  I don't remember it standing out compared to the others.
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« Reply #3 on: 11-15-2013 21:51 »

Did we seriously not have a Pokemon thread?   wtf?

Just one that was closed. I didn't see the need to reopen it.
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« Reply #4 on: 11-15-2013 21:54 »
« Last Edit on: 11-15-2013 21:56 »

Season 1 of Pokemon was amazing! Surprisingly it had some really good episodes back then and some had quite a bit of depth. The very first episode is one of my all-time favourites.
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« Reply #5 on: 11-16-2013 00:28 »


Last Saturday, for no reason that I can discern, I began watching the first Pokémon movie (I think that it's the first, but I'm not entirely certain).  It managed to keep my interest for the first 3/5 or so, but that is all I could take.  Perhaps I'm unworthy.

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« Reply #6 on: 11-16-2013 00:33 »

I've never seen or had any interest in pokemon, but I used to love watching Digimon at my babysitters many, anus years ago. I still remember the theme song.

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Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #7 on: 11-16-2013 00:44 »

First movie was about Mewtwo. It was excellent and epic, but I'm not sure how I'd feel watching it now.
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« Reply #8 on: 11-16-2013 02:01 »

I used to consistently watch Pokémon, especially during Seasons 1 and Two-ish, but after a while it just faded away from me. I remember watching the first movie, and finding it to pretty O.K., but not quite amazing. I always thought it was strange that a movie about a TV show that is all about fighting had a 'fighting is wrong' theme, however. roll eyes
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« Reply #9 on: 11-16-2013 02:02 »

I always liked the first movie, much like QNF I very well may not like it now, but it used to be so great.  I haven't watched the show in a while but I still play the games.
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« Reply #10 on: 11-16-2013 02:08 »

I still occasionally play the games, as well. Most recently I played Heartgold for the DS, the modern remake of Gold from the Gameboy. I've played White once or twice, but I never really got into it, although I do own it.
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« Reply #11 on: 11-16-2013 03:11 »
« Last Edit on: 11-16-2013 03:12 »

I truly reccommend X and Y.  It's really cool to see all of the best Pokemon in this newer style.  The gameplay is unchanged, which is the most common and a completely valid complaint about the games.  I rarely say this, but even though the gameplay's the same, in this case the graphics and new 3D style really make it worth it.  Mega Evolutions are also really cool.
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« Reply #12 on: 11-16-2013 04:29 »

Should someone make a seperate thread for the games, or should all Pokemon discussion (games, anime, ect) go in here? Anyway, I watched the Kanto and Johto Seasons as a kid and enjoyed them back then, but not so much now. Advanced Battle was decent, Diamond and Pearl had way to much filler to bother watching, and I barely watched any of the Unova episodes. If anyone wants to watch a good Pokemon anime though, watch Pokemon Origin on Youtube. It uses the story from Red and Blue and makes it into an actual anime, with really good animation, especially for battles, and dialogue that doesn't feel completely staged.
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« Reply #13 on: 11-16-2013 04:51 »

Let's just compile all Pokémon talk into this thread. It wouldn't make much sense to have a separate thread for the games, as this one would work just fine.
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« Reply #14 on: 11-16-2013 05:43 »

I haven't played any of the Pokémon games beyond Gold and Silver because I didn't have a Gameboy Advance with which to play the new ones, but I still play the ones I have every now and then. X and Y look cool but I still think I'd rather play a 3D remake of Red and Blue and/or Gold and Silver.

As for the anime, I remember seeing the first three movies in a cinema and thinking they were the best things ever. The last time I watched any of them was when I watched the first movie in early 2008. It was still awesome. I just recently got them on DVD along with the fourth and fifth movies and the Kanto and Johto episodes because Advanced is where I lost interest. I haven't watched said DVDs yet but I'm looking forward to it.

I've never seen the Porygon episode or any of the other banned episodes. I remember being so confused by that episode where Ash and Gary are fighting over who's caught the most Pokémon and Ash has more than Gary but they're mostly just Tauros that he caught in the Safari Zone because when did that even happen?! Then later I found out that it was a callback to an episode that was banned and it all made sense. I haven't seen Origins yet but it looks really cool.
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« Reply #15 on: 11-18-2013 10:27 »


Last Saturday, for no reason that I can discern, I began watching the first Pokémon movie (I think that it's the first, but I'm not entirely certain).

Well considering that the first movie was literally called "The First Movie" I would think you'd have a hard time not being able to tell. laff
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« Reply #16 on: 11-18-2013 23:58 »


Last Saturday, for no reason that I can discern, I began watching the first Pokémon movie (I think that it's the first, but I'm not entirely certain).

Well considering that the first movie was literally called "The First Movie" I would think you'd have a hard time not being able to tell. laff

HI JOSH!

Speaking of Josh, I remember the time the bastard above me linked me to a website that had all the original episodes of Pokémon on there.

I didn't go to Uni for like a week, and marathoned the lot.
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« Reply #17 on: 11-20-2013 20:15 »

Haha ya. That site doesn't exist anymore unfortunately, but I also marathoned a whole bunch of them at the time. Great nostalgia trip, and unlike what I expected, I came to the conclusion that it was actually a really good kid's show. Not perfect, but it didn't insult your intelligence and had a decent sense of humor and good morals (besides making animals your slaves and forcing them to fight each other) for kids, in addition to being probably the most well-dubbed anime by a longshot, at least at the time.
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« Reply #18 on: 03-31-2014 08:45 »

So I just finished watching the original series (i.e., everything up to the end of the Johto League) and it felt like the Johto seasons would never end. The stuff at the end with the Silver Conference was cool because I never saw those episodes so I was all "what's going to happen?!" and it was satisfying to finally see them get to the end.

I guess I can see why I stopped watching the show not that long after the third movie was released. I don't see why they had to stretch the same amount of game as the first season into almost 200 episodes of basically nothing happening. At least in the first two seasons the filler episodes were mostly interesting (although I'm sure a good part of that is the nostalgic value they hold for me), whereas the majority of the Johto filler episodes I was watching for the first time and was like "when are they gonna get to the fireworks factory next gym?!"

At least it ended on a high note, though. I actually got pretty emotional when everyone went their separate ways in the last episode (technically the second last episode, but the last episode wasn't included on my Johto boxset and after watching it on YouTube I can see why). I was like "all the times we've been through together! cry"

Anyway, now I'm going to watch Pokémon Origins.
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« Reply #19 on: 03-31-2014 12:57 »
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So I just finished watching the original series (i.e., everything up to the end of the Johto League) and it felt like the Johto seasons would never end. The stuff at the end with the Silver Conference was cool because I never saw those episodes so I was all "what's going to happen?!" and it was satisfying to finally see them get to the end.

I guess I can see why I stopped watching the show not that long after the third movie was released. I don't see why they had to stretch the same amount of game as the first season into almost 200 episodes of basically nothing happening. At least in the first two seasons the filler episodes were mostly interesting (although I'm sure a good part of that is the nostalgic value they hold for me), whereas the majority of the Johto filler episodes I was watching for the first time and was like "when are they gonna get to the fireworks factory next gym?!"

At least it ended on a high note, though. I actually got pretty emotional when everyone went their separate ways in the last episode (technically the second last episode, but the last episode wasn't included on my Johto boxset and after watching it on YouTube I can see why). I was like "all the times we've been through together! cry"

Anyway, now I'm going to watch Pokémon Origins.

My thoughts exactly. The Johto seasons were where I stopped watching because it took forever for Ash to reach the Pokemon League there (Despite the payoff being the awesome Ash vs Gary battle). Considering in Season 1 it only takes 32 episodes for Ash to get six badges in Kanto, the pacing was lightning fast in comparison to Johto. The Orange Islands (Season 2) were good too, because progress was being made at a fairly decent speed like Season 1, and the only time Ash has ever won a Pokemon League I believe, so everything after that seems pointless.

EDIT - I enjoyed Pokemon Origins alot because it showed all the old Pokemon again and the pacing was also good in the special. It gave me hope that the series could be remade to be watchable again.
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« Reply #20 on: 08-30-2016 14:21 »

Just thought of revisiting the Pokemon Anime again after finding out cyber_turnip has started watching Season 1. He's going to say it sucks, but I think there might be a few episodes where he can say are "Almost good" at least.
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« Reply #21 on: 08-31-2016 06:26 »

I think if judged for what it is, a kid's show, it actually holds up phenomenally well. Easily one of the most well-dubbed animes of its time and translated fantastically to appeal to a young American audience, particularly in the humor department. It started off a little rough like most shows of its kind, but developed itself in interesting ways. For a kid's show.
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« Reply #22 on: 09-04-2016 16:32 »

It's fascinating to watch it as an adult. I remember the Pokemon hype that happened circa 1999 well and, particularly, the disdain most adults had towards the franchise.

I think it's because most adults didn't realise it was a video game with countless off-shoots rather than just a cartoon with various tie-ins. And the thing is, the cartoon is completely mental to someone with no understanding because:
1. It's based on a video game and tries to keep a lot of the mechanics of the games which don't lend themselves towards storytelling or, even, coherent logic. Because, you know, video games are different.
2. It's Japanese and there's a lot of elements that don't play to mainstream Western culture.

Anyway, I do think it's generally a pretty crappy show in so far as the characterisation never makes any sense and there's a glaring plot-hole every 30 seconds and each episode tends to blatantly contradict some element of continuity from 2 episodes ago, not to mention that it feels structured like there's supposed to be some sort of moral at the end of each episode, but then that moral is usually something like "it's great that Pikachu didn't want to evolve into Raichu" which doesn't really work as a metaphor for anything or even make sense. I mean, it might work in a "you're great just the way you are" kind of way, except that the show undermines this with all of the other evolutions that take place.

And I get that it's a kid's show. I don't think that's an excuse. There are lots of brilliant kids' shows out there that have coherent writing or follow some degree of internal logic.

However, Pokemon does have a lot of great moments dotted around and I'm, if nothing else, enjoying the nostalgia of revisiting it after all these years. For the record, I never stopped playing the video games (which stand as some of the finest games ever made, if you ask me).
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« Reply #23 on: 09-06-2016 22:36 »

It really is a decent kids' show, better than most other children's shows currently on television.  So, yeah, if you don't think that it's a very good show, the problem isn't with the show, most likely the problem is that you aren't ten years old.

As for it being difficult to understand because it's based on a video game, I'm going to have to disagree.  I've never played any of the Pokemon video games, and I've never found the show to be confusing on that account.

As for it having a lot of Japanese elements that don't play to Western culture, I'm sorry but I just don't see it.  Granted, I'm more familiar with Japanese culture than the average Westerner is, so I probably don't notice that sort of thing as much as most people would, but for a Japanese cartoon, Pokemon doesn't seem very Japanese at all to me.

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« Reply #24 on: 09-06-2016 23:58 »

It really is a decent kids' show, better than most other children's shows currently on television.  So, yeah, if you don't think that it's a very good show, the problem isn't with the show, most likely the problem is that you aren't ten years old.

As for it being difficult to understand because it's based on a video game, I'm going to have to disagree.  I've never played any of the Pokemon video games, and I've never found the show to be confusing on that account.

As for it having a lot of Japanese elements that don't play to Western culture, I'm sorry but I just don't see it.  Granted, I'm more familiar with Japanese culture than the average Westerner is, so I probably don't notice that sort of thing as much as most people would, but for a Japanese cartoon, Pokemon doesn't seem very Japanese at all to me.

Really? I could tell straight away it was Japanese, even as a kid. The weirdness/cultural style gives it away. For judging it for what it is, yeah you could easily nitpick the episodes apart. I can't really hate the first two seasons though, even as an adult today the basic jokes and terrible puns make me laugh, and I still get a little emotional over certain episodes. There is definitely something about it that works, maybe it's the Ash, Brock, and Misty combination and feeling fresh compared to Season 3 and beyond. I never made it to Pokemon Advanced though, as getting through hundreds of episodes to see Ash fail could be quite a chore, as well as possibly too repetitive.
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« Reply #25 on: 09-07-2016 00:43 »

It really is a decent kids' show, better than most other children's shows currently on television.  So, yeah, if you don't think that it's a very good show, the problem isn't with the show, most likely the problem is that you aren't ten years old.
I agree that it's better than most kids' shows. That doesn't make it good. There are plenty of kids' shows that still hold up as excellent, well-written and full of artistic merit when I re-visit them. Pokemon isn't one of them. Frankly, even as a kid I could sort of see through it but I was a big fan of the games, so I saw a lot of it.

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As for it being difficult to understand because it's based on a video game, I'm going to have to disagree.  I've never played any of the Pokemon video games, and I've never found the show to be confusing on that account.
It's not about it being difficult to understand; that isn't what I said. It's a question of how off-the-wall the show is. A parent might understand the basic concept of Pokemon evolving of being caught in Pokeballs, but they still seem like utterly bizarre ideas within the realms of a narrative. The cartoon is full of elements like this that only really make sense within the world of a video game whereby you're earning points and building towards an objective and repetition isn't as much of a weakness.

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As for it having a lot of Japanese elements that don't play to Western culture, I'm sorry but I just don't see it.  Granted, I'm more familiar with Japanese culture than the average Westerner is, so I probably don't notice that sort of thing as much as most people would, but for a Japanese cartoon, Pokemon doesn't seem very Japanese at all to me.
I didn't pick up on it nearly as much as a child, but going back to it, it's everywhere. Almost every episode has a jarring scene where you question if they had to cut something because it wasn't deemed acceptable for Western kids. Almost every episode has a blatant example of the dub completely changing something to make it more accessible to a Western audience or less riske for children or just speaking in a weird pattern to fit the mouth movements. And that's before we get into things like the really blatant Japanese accents that half the Pokemon have (the half, I assume, that weren't dubbed into English) or things like samurai and ninjas popping up and the architecture or the go-to "talk to the hand" gesture being characters ignoring someone and sitting down on the floor next to a little, Japanese table, sipping tea.
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« Reply #26 on: 09-07-2016 02:23 »

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Really? I could tell straight away it was Japanese, even as a kid. The weirdness/cultural style gives it away.

Oh, I didn't mean that kids couldn't tell it was Japanese.  I could tell that Speed Racer was Japanese as a kid, and we didn't even know what anime was back then.  I just meant that Pokemon isn't exactly chock full of Japanese cultural references the way shows like InuYasha, xxxHOLiC, Kamisama Kiss, or even other kids' shows like Yo-kai Watch are.  If anything, Pokemon seems to have been intended to have broad cultural appeal, both in Japan and overseas.

But like I said, I have a higher tolerance for that sort of thing than most folks, due being exposed to large amounts of it.  I probably don't even notice it in small doses anymore.
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« Reply #27 on: 09-07-2016 02:39 »
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I didn't realize that any other Peelers were old enough to remember Speed Racer.  Was it resurrected again in the '70s or '80s?

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Also my favourite from that time: 8 Man smile

(OK, I'll stop hijacking the thread)

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« Reply #28 on: 09-07-2016 04:43 »

We just watched it during its original run.  Go Speedracer, Goooo!
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« Reply #29 on: 09-12-2016 12:22 »

Who else thinks Pokemon 2000 is the best Pokemon movie?
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