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« Reply #440 on: 05-25-2009 07:38 »

If they had made a Sequel instead of a Prequel I probably would have still seen it, but not enjoyed it as much. Reason being, I feel like the far flung future has been done to death. Another reason is, I feel like I have never given enough thought and no dedication to TOS as I have with other Trek Series and Movies and with this movie I feel that has changed enough that I may just decide to look into TOS.
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« Reply #441 on: 05-25-2009 08:21 »

Next-Gen technology is too advanced for my liking. To me, everything they have is a Deus Ex Machina unto itself. Especially all the hologram shit. It becomes a bit stale - like the Culture novels; when everything is so Godlike there's never a sense of real danger. That's just personal taste though.
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« Reply #442 on: 05-25-2009 11:56 »

Thats what i hated more about TNG and Voyager (and some DS9 eps, fortunatelly very few), in TNG the holodecks became literally the center plot of half series!! Its specially pathetic in season one when Picard makes a staff meeteing just to say "I saw antique cars!!!" .. WTF Jean Luck? are you a 24th century citizen and a starship captain or were you transported in time from the 20th century? The Dr. Moriartty plot.. and so son.. so many eps made arround a unprobably piece of technology made te create plots from nowhere (like the transporter, an unprobably piece of tecnology made to keep costs low avoiding using shuttles, wich is fun since in BSG they managed to keep costs low despite they had to use Raptors or shuttles to move virtual everywhere).. I hate the holodeck with all my soul!
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« Reply #443 on: 05-25-2009 19:26 »

But a main difference was that one of Voyager's main characters was a hologram. TNG and DS9 only used it as a plot point in some episodes, whilst Voyager depended on it every episode.
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« Reply #444 on: 05-25-2009 22:24 »

I liked the new film a lot. I want to see three or four more with this cast, and I would watch a new TOS. However, I would love to see a finale to the TNG era, with the TNG, DS9, and VOY casts all involved. Some big three-hour once-and-for-all ending to the 24th century movies, a grand farewell to that portion of the franchise. With character deaths galore and an apocalyptic ending from which something totally new emerges.

It's not going to happen, unfortunately. So I'm going to have to make do with hoping that there's going to be a decent offering coming soon from the new cast. If they remake II, III and IV with the current cast, it might not turn out so well. I want to see something original. Something fresh and exciting, but with enough shout-outs to the previous canon to remind everybody why they're watching. Which is exactly what this movie was.
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« Reply #445 on: 05-25-2009 22:53 »

But a main difference was that one of Voyager's main characters was a hologram. TNG and DS9 only used it as a plot point in some episodes, whilst Voyager depended on it every episode.

I can accept a holograpgic character,wich is just like a robot or android (like Data, an artificial "life" form) and all plots involving it wanting to became more "human" and so are wellcome..  like the eps where the rights of Data and the Doctor are taking into question in trial.. those were generally good eps

But.. having quite a lot of episodes involving adventures in the "malfunctioning" holodeck was way cross the sillyness line..

Its a space ship.. Star Trek is about space exploration.. relationships with other races.. etc.. not messing arround in a fraking room INSIDE the ship.. all those eps could be ploted in a room in earth.. its just a cheap way to put them in Sheerwood forest or in the 1920s Chicago.. its pointless and gratoitous.. and as i said my patiente with it blowed away pretty quick when Picard was amazed at the holodecks being able to reproduce... holograms!!..and he making a staff meeting just to tell it and organize a holo-adventure with them.. you are the captain of the federation flag ship!! Stop doing that!!
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« Reply #446 on: 05-25-2009 23:18 »

Yes, I'll give you that there were some funky plots developed from the holodecks, especially in TNG. I watched Generations last night and the beginning part of the TNG section of the movie was pure WTF. However, DS9, I felt, used the holodeck and holosuites in a much more constructive and reasonable fashion. The lounge singer comes to mind there. And without the holodeck, we wouldn't have the Niners versus Vulcans baseball game!
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« Reply #447 on: 05-26-2009 01:23 »

EVEN A HOLOGRAPHIC BULLET CAN KILL
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« Reply #448 on: 05-26-2009 07:06 »
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Star Trek XI has almost doubled the #2 domestic grossing Trek film, IV, already. However, it's nowhere close to The Motion Picture calculated for inflation. Here's the inflation list:
Code:
The Motion Picture:       $271,560,238.28
The Voyage Home:          $219,497,422.13
Star Trek XI:             $191,034,000
The Wrath of Khan:        $186,968,067.89
The Search for Spock:     $165,314,864.33
First Contact:            $130,083,154.09
The Undiscovered Country: $123,424,750.56
Generations:              $112,816,408.28
The Final Frontier:       $95,047,400.06
Insurrection:             $94,156,324.97
Nemesis:                  $52,572,771.34
As you can see, it's just passed Khan and still has about $80 million to go to catch The Motion Picture. I don't even think it has almost $30 million left in it domestically to catch up to IV. I don't mean to detract from it, because it's about to break the Top 100 all-time global box office. It's still in the top tier of Trek films gross-wise, but still isn't anywhere close the dent The Motion Picture made. However, I find it interesting how lonely Nemesis is down at the bottom, Insurrection and V almost doubling its gross.
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« Reply #449 on: 05-26-2009 16:45 »

You're all fun-hating bastards.
well, duh... we're star trek fans.
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« Reply #450 on: 05-26-2009 17:01 »

I saw Channel 4's Bring Back Star Trek last night, pretty good, they couldn't get to "The Shat" though, but at least Spock, Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura were good sports.
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« Reply #451 on: 05-26-2009 17:31 »

I may be playing captain obvious here , but im too lazy to scroll back 11 pages and.. has anyone noticed the simils with Nemesis? I mean.. a bald pissed off guy from Romulos with a cool giant mega powerfull romulan ship wich threats to destroy earth
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« Reply #452 on: 05-26-2009 19:26 »

Vulcan, but who's counting?

like the Culture novels; when everything is so Godlike there's never a sense of real danger. That's just personal taste though.

Wasn't that the name of one of the Ships?
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« Reply #453 on: 05-27-2009 00:04 »

Vulcan, but who's counting?


Well he destroys Vulcan and after that goes to destroy earth.. and in fact he was allready drilling earth..so yes.. he wad threating to destroy earth
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« Reply #454 on: 05-27-2009 01:43 »

Wasn't that the name of one of the Ships?

Probably.

Crazy AIs.
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« Reply #455 on: 06-11-2009 15:25 »

I want to see Star Trek again in the cinema.
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« Reply #456 on: 08-04-2009 18:47 »

They sell weird waffles nowadays
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« Reply #457 on: 08-05-2009 02:17 »

I see nothing weird about those.
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« Reply #458 on: 08-05-2009 16:38 »

[trekie mode] Why is a Vulcan wearing a red shirt then?  They are specialists in the Sciences, which means blue shirts![/trekie mode]

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« Reply #459 on: 08-05-2009 17:40 »

It's a human greeting a Vulcan.
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« Reply #460 on: 08-05-2009 21:26 »

Not with those cuticles.   no no

 laff

(Pretending to be a full blown trekie is fun)
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« Reply #461 on: 08-05-2009 21:51 »

I <3333 waffles
I also liked the new Star Trek movie
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« Reply #462 on: 08-07-2009 00:34 »

[trekie mode] Why is a Vulcan wearing a red shirt then?  They are specialists in the Sciences, which means blue shirts![/trekie mode]

Depends on which era the uniform is from. Red uniforms can denote command status. Or perhaps the Vulcan is a cadet or ensign, or similar junior position. They'd not be given full bridge officer status, hence they'd not be given a blue or yellow uniform.

There are a billion possibilities.
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« Reply #463 on: 08-07-2009 03:19 »

From WoK onward for decades to come, everybody in starfleet wore red.
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« Reply #464 on: 08-07-2009 03:30 »

And then they stopped. Because everyone was getting killed on Away missions.
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« Reply #465 on: 08-07-2009 18:54 »

For a while after that they tried having nobody wear red but, but the klingons and romulans protested that this was unfair, and so like cloaking devices, the federation agreed never to use the no-red-shirts strategy again.
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« Reply #466 on: 08-13-2009 22:16 »
« Last Edit on: 08-13-2009 22:26 »

watching enterprise, and decided to find out what the hell "bimodal syntax" meant. apparently they made it up. Now, I know they have to make up a lot of the science, but surely they could've, I dunno, paid a linguistics expert for a few hours of consultation rather than making up sciences that already exist?

On the bright side, while looking I did find a rather amusing parody. My favorite line:

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Trip: It's too bad we didn't bother to bring a digital camera with us. Now we have to wait until we get back to Earth to develop this.
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« Reply #467 on: 08-14-2009 09:11 »

[trekie mode] Why is a Vulcan wearing a red shirt then?  They are specialists in the Sciences, which means blue shirts![/trekie mode]

Well.. only Spock wore blue (only Vulcan in SF at the time i know) .. in Voyager there was Vulkans in the gold division (wich englobed if im not mistaken security / enginering ) and also on red (command) and of course blue..
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« Reply #468 on: 11-18-2009 14:57 »

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz-log-r2-d2-star-trek.html
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« Reply #469 on: 11-19-2009 03:38 »
« Last Edit on: 11-20-2009 17:30 »

Ya ya boring, who wants BLOOPER REEL?!?
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« Reply #470 on: 11-19-2009 04:45 »

Does the door shut on somebody?
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« Reply #471 on: 11-19-2009 17:38 »

Yes! Chris Pine gets a face full of door. big grin
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« Reply #472 on: 11-20-2009 02:29 »

Yes! Chris Pine gets a face full of door. big grin

Not anymore. Video's removed.
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« Reply #473 on: 11-20-2009 17:30 »

Edited with new link that works.
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« Reply #474 on: 11-20-2009 18:00 »

Hah. I'd so watch that with the accents they were trying to pull off at the end.
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« Reply #475 on: 12-31-2009 21:34 »

Finally, there is justice in the world:

Knighthood for Patrick Stewart? Make It So!
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« Reply #476 on: 01-01-2010 10:35 »

Was it for his services to trekkers? the Picard Maneuver? I wonder what tipped the balance in his favour?

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« Reply #477 on: 01-01-2010 20:43 »

His contribution to Shakespearean theatre.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #478 on: 01-02-2010 11:15 »

I don't remember him doing much Shakespeare in Star Trek.

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Zed 85

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« Reply #479 on: 01-02-2010 17:36 »

Of course he did, when expressing his love for Lwaxana Troi:

In faith, I do not love thee, with mine eyes, for they in thee a thousand errors see; but tis my heart that loves what they despise who in despite of view is pleased to dote; shall I compare thee, to a summer's day?
Tell me more!
You'll have to call again!


Don't tell me it didn't happen!
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