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« Reply #200 on: 09-18-2006 04:58 »

The only Star Trek I watch is with Picard. The others just dont match up. And I go with Bab 5 over Star Trek anyday. Although I do love Worf.
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« Reply #201 on: 10-31-2006 12:41 »

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Nasty: Well, you're welcome to a dissenting opinion but I felt the series created more problems than it explained. They've talked about every ship called Enterprise in, going all the way back to the present day aircraft carrier and space shuttle, so I was annoyed before the first episode even aired by the invention of a new and previously unheard-of ship called Enterprise. They flatly contradicted the history described in TOS - the first war with the Romulans was supposed to be occurring during this time period. It was also established in TOS and TNG that first contact between humans and Klingons happened after the founding of the Federation and led to decades of war. This kind of disregard for established cannon started in VOY and was escalated to ridiculous new heights in ENT. Call me pedantic, but these kinds of things went a long way towards ruining the series for me. And finally, it just didn't feel like Trek; the producers wanted to make a show that was somewhat distanced from previous Trek franchises because they didn't want to limit their audience to trekkies. I find it to be in incredibly poor taste and judgement to be so dismissive of the people who made the franchise valuable in the first place.
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« Reply #202 on: 10-31-2006 12:58 »

Is this some sort of "But Greedo shot first!" statement, Gopher?  wink

While I do agree that later epsiodes of Star Trek in general did contradict earlier episodes regarding certain events, we do have to remember that the people which wrote those scripts might not have been absolute experts in Star Trek history.
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« Reply #203 on: 10-31-2006 17:49 »

They don't have to be, you just need one on staff to review early drafts and point out consistancy problems- it's not like there's a shortage of people who'd be happy to do the job for free! No, whatever they say, they knew what they were doing but had the mindset that the core fans would watch no matter what, so they focused at the start on trying to appeal to new fans. After season two of ENT they threw that idea out the window and desperately tried to get the fans back on their side. They didn't even do a bad job of it, I just think it was too little too late. Roddenberry wouldn't let that kind of thing happen if he were alive. They hardly let his body cool before having an all-out war break out on DS9 - something he had fought against even before the series even got to the air. I still loved DS9, mind you, but I actually liked the early seasons a little more than the later ones, and felt the best moments and story arcs from the later seasons all referenced or drew from things established during those first years.
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« Reply #204 on: 10-16-2008 03:49 »

Sylar is the creepiest Spock ever
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« Reply #205 on: 10-16-2008 10:11 »


   I still loved DS9, mind you, but I actually liked the early seasons a little more than the later ones, and felt the best moments and story arcs from the later seasons all referenced or drew from things established during those first years.


I quite enjoyed DS9 but, looking back, I find that the best bits for me were the episodes which featured Garak significantly.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
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« Reply #206 on: 10-16-2008 11:05 »

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Roddenberry wouldn't let that kind of thing happen if he were alive. They hardly let his body cool before having an all-out war break out on DS9 - something he had fought against even before the series even got to the air..

Actually Roddenberry was blamed by paramount for the extreme cost overruns ST: TMP and by ST; TWOK he had been marginalized.  He had very little influence with the rest of the Trek movies.  The first season of ST: TNG had some Roddenberry influence but even that was negated by the time of his death.

He died in 1991 - DS9 had not even premiered - it started being shown in 1993 and the Dominion War arc didn't get started until late season four.  DS9 was slated to a "different" type of Trek.  Instead of a Utopia, Socialistic enviroment, raw racism was to be the spotlight.

Enterprise was screwed over by Bevis and Butthead.  Brandon and Braga.  By the time they were fired and Manny Coto took over, the series was in rigor mortis.  Still, the very best episode was In A Mirror, Darkly was in the last season and that was a Manny Coto achievement.

If Coto had been at the helm from the beginning, ST: ENT may have had a chance of being special instead of the quivering pile of Drek it eventually became.
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« Reply #207 on: 10-16-2008 11:09 »

Spock is stealing powers! eek
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« Reply #208 on: 10-16-2008 17:12 »

Ralph, he may not have had much official authority, but his fingerprints are all over TNG. Particularly his "no interpersonal conflicts" policy, which the writers hated as they felt it made it impossible to write dramatic stories, and which they did by and large stick to fairly well through most of the series. Whatever official power he had, as long as he was alive they needed him endorsing the show; if Rod himself had walked around conventions saying "TNG is shit! They've raped my vision!" it would have driven away a lot of fans.
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« Reply #209 on: 10-17-2008 04:45 »

Which is why the original series and TNG are the best ones.  I don't even consider Voyager and Enterprise to be Star Trek shows.
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« Reply #210 on: 11-12-2008 23:08 »

I saw Voyager and Enterprise before The Next Generation, so I was thrilled when I finally saw them.

I've never seen an episode of the original series :/
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« Reply #211 on: 11-13-2008 04:59 »

TOS and TNG are the best, oddly enough I grew up with both as my dad had TOS on beta and vhs.

I don't mind DS9 but it ain't as good as TOS and TNG. I haven't seen to many eps of Voyger and Enterprise to really rate them.

Im looking forward to the the next movie.
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« Reply #212 on: 11-13-2008 13:39 »

Yeah, the previews look good. The actors are rather young and I'm not sure some of them were the best choice for their role. But there are interesting combinations there. And J.J. Abrams IS a good director.
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« Reply #213 on: 11-13-2008 16:22 »

Surprised nobody posted the new Enterprise:
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« Reply #214 on: 11-14-2008 21:17 »

Is that the confirmed design?

I can't find anything that says it.
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« Reply #215 on: 11-15-2008 01:01 »

it was on the imdb hit list
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« Reply #216 on: 11-15-2008 05:44 »

Is that the confirmed design?

I can't find anything that says it.

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/11/star-trek-first.html
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« Reply #217 on: 11-15-2008 06:56 »

Well, there we go!

Not bad. Seems a little too "Galaxy Quest" for my liking, but still not bad.
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« Reply #218 on: 11-15-2008 08:42 »

Reaction of some fans to the "New and Improved" Enterprise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8B1GNCSfX0

Personally, I hate it (the "new" Enterprise).

Shatner's right - this thing is probably going to be a huge turkey.
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« Reply #219 on: 11-15-2008 14:22 »

Kirk: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1517976/

I don't know :/
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« Reply #220 on: 11-15-2008 15:09 »
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The messed up sooooo badly on that new Enterprise. Looks more like Enterprise-A than the original. And has anybody seen the Quantum trailer? Nice job with the corridors... Nice job doing the wrong era, JJ. If they plan on doing a prequel movie that they market as not being a reboot, um, yeah, they're failing pretty hard.

And has anybody seen these cast pics? Points out again some of my issues with the movie:
  • The only thing I'm looking forward to is Quinto.
  • SULU WAS JAPANESE!!!
  • Seriously, what the fuck?

Anybody else planning a canon boycott?
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« Reply #221 on: 11-15-2008 15:15 »

^Yes, Quinto looks interesting, but I'm also looking forward seeing Simon Pegg and Anton Yelchin as Scotty and Chekov.

I saw Voyager and Enterprise before The Next Generation, so I was thrilled when I finally saw them.

I've never seen an episode of the original series :/

no no, I saw Voyager and The Next Generation first, then Enterprise. And I think they're all good in their own way, but personally I like Enterprise the most.

But I think Voyager has the best opening credits.
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« Reply #222 on: 11-15-2008 16:28 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC8iKVpDyQE

A cam-recording of the ST XI trailer taken at the New James Bond film.
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« Reply #223 on: 11-15-2008 16:58 »


  • SULU WAS JAPANESE!!!
LOL, like Hollywood would bother to distinguish between Chinese, Japanese or Koreans...
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« Reply #224 on: 11-15-2008 20:38 »

http://io9.com/tag/star-trek/

For all your news needs
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« Reply #225 on: 11-15-2008 22:32 »

Is true that the movie gets delayed from xmas 2008 to april-may 2009?
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« Reply #226 on: 11-15-2008 22:42 »
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* Xanfor's right eyebrow ricochets through the roof
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« Reply #227 on: 11-15-2008 23:07 »

Is true that the movie gets delayed from xmas 2008 to april-may 2009?

Yes, it's true.  Due to the writers strike in Hollywood, the production schedule got pushed back.

I was thinking it would be a great X-mas present but after reading some of the changes to canon (Pike dies, the outrage when Spock's parents were to be both Vulcans, the redesigned ship, etc), I think that I'll wait for the movie to come to HBO.
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« Reply #228 on: 11-15-2008 23:52 »

I'm not even going to wait for that. This piece of shit doesn't deserve the attention.
* Archonix lovingly strokes his polar lights refit for comfort
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« Reply #229 on: 11-16-2008 02:44 »

I think I've seen Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis the most often of all the Star Trek movies, I still didn't remember them well.
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« Reply #230 on: 11-16-2008 03:21 »
« Last Edit on: 11-16-2008 06:17 »

The Boys in Finland, the Star Wreck crowd doesn't seem to be very taken away by the new Enterprise.  I placed the new tailer on their message board - only one comment so far.

Oh, and Fukov Chekov is going to be in this one, also.  He'd have to still be a teenager by canon to be a member of this crew.
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« Reply #231 on: 11-16-2008 03:59 »

I'm not from Finland, I'm from Russia.

The guy playing Chekov is young, he's born in '89. And I think he's a good actor, and looks good ;P.

Pardon this, I didn't really understand your post.
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« Reply #232 on: 11-16-2008 06:13 »

I'm not from Finland, I'm from Russia.

The guy playing Chekov is young, he's born in '89. And I think he's a good actor, and looks good ;P.

Pardon this, I didn't really understand your post.

Hahaha.  Okay, the post was in no way a slam against you.  You ran into an "inside" joke between Archonix and me.  The "Boys from Finland" are the creators, producers and stars of the fan film named Star Wreck VI:  In The Pirkinning..  Instead  of me going into a long, detailed explanation of the name Fukov and other Wreck nomenclature, I'll direct you to this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck:_In_the_Pirkinning

After reading the Wiki article, prepare yourself for the very best Sci Fi parody film ever made.  It's free to download from this site:

www.starwreck.com

Star Wreck VI take over from Star Wreck V: Lost Contact.  Download both and watch them in sequence.  The CGI and graphics on SW-V are not as good as ST-VI, but both are very enjoyable.

Please let me know if this message makes things clearer.  Also let me know if you enjoy the Star Wreck universe.



The main players:  Emperor Pirk, Cmd. Dwarf, Cmd Info and Lt. Swagger.

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The Star Wreck fleet preparing for battle.

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Captain Sergey Fukov.

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The beloved Helmswoman, Lt. Swagger.
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« Reply #233 on: 11-16-2008 06:19 »

No, no StarWreck is in German, that's the only right way. But I'll try your version when I've got some sleep.
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« Reply #234 on: 11-16-2008 06:28 »

Star Wreck is in Finish aka Suomi.  It has been dubbed into other languages (unfortunately, not English - yet) and subtitled in other languages.  Star Wreck is available on YouTube also.

Trust me on this.  I've been a member of the Star Wreck site for quite a while and have been in communication several times with Samuli (Pirk), who I hope will come to America next year for Dragoncon.
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« Reply #235 on: 11-16-2008 06:39 »

tng is utterly amazing, followed by deep space 9, the original series, and lastly (but sometimes pretty good), voyager. never bothered with enterprise.
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« Reply #236 on: 11-16-2008 16:27 »

Star Wreck is better than Enterprise... and Enterprise is better than this film. I just saw the trailer. JAMES KIRK IS NOT A WHINY ANGSTY TWIT!!

ARGH!
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« Reply #237 on: 11-16-2008 22:06 »

Anybody watching I'm a Cleb? George Takei in it.
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« Reply #238 on: 11-17-2008 18:12 »

I watched Wrath Of Khan for the first time evar, 92% on RT but I didn't find it that great, some kinda cheesy bits.
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« Reply #239 on: 11-17-2008 18:24 »

Star Wreck is awesome.. tought i only watched the last movie, i think there is many more before..

Didnt like that after making Federation and Earth Alliance ships even by
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