JJ Abrams is a (visionary/disgrace) who must be (commended/stopped): Star Trek

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1.DS9 - great characters stories and the only series to have me gripped

=3. TNG - too many dull episodes but some good ones too
=3. TOS - i thought i liked it more than  next gen but then i realised ive only seen the eps worthy of repeating - most of the eps were probably crap it was cancelled after all
4. Enterprise - was really excited about this until i saw it - not taken the opportunities it had set up for it klingon romulan war would have been fun or living on the frontier with no technology but instead there more advanced than TNG (or so it seems) - lots of opportunities for "in" jokes and using the wrong klingon make-up really pissed me off

999. VGR - the only decent way this enters the Star trek universe is in the motion picture and that really sucked - crap characters no story if it wasnt for the EMH they could shoot it out of ccannon into the sun for all i care

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hopie, you would seriously put Enterprise before Voyager? You poor poor honky

Edit:

Speaking of which I recently "aquired" the Enterprise Ep "E2", since the 3rd season hasnt started here in Australia yet I cant gauge it against the rest of it, but it was almost of TNG quality, I really enjoyed it.
Could the third season be Enterprise's turn around?

Lets just hope they dont commit anymore crimes

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well, they tried some new stuff with the 3rd season...

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Originally posted by hopie4ever:
=3. TOS - i thought i liked it more than  next gen but then i realised ive only seen the eps worthy of repeating - most of the eps were probably crap it was cancelled after all
 

That line of reasoning fails pretty quickly considering Futurama is a cancelled show also.

I think I agree with ranking Enterprise higher than Voyager.  It's just an OK show, but I didn't really think much of Voyager at all.  They're similar in that neither of them can compare to TNG or DS9.

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Speaking of cancellation, tomorrow (May 20th) is D-Day for the Star Trek franchise, when UPN announce their fall schedule.  Enterprise's ratings are currently at an all-time low, getting similar ratings to Doctor Who's 26th season, in a country with five times the population of Britain.

Several reputable sources say the show IS renewed for another year, other reputable sources say the exact opposite.  We'll know in about 14 hours time.

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Originally posted by Grim:

Could the third season be Enterprise's turn around?

I loved this season's plot of the Xindi. I was BY FAR the best season of Enterprise so far and it blew me away. 2day's episode was another great one and i think next week's season finale will be even better.

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Enterprise has officially been renewed.  All those people who told me that God exists can apologize now.

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Well, we never said anything about the devil.  So yeah, sorry I forgot to mention him.

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Originally posted by Action Jacktion:
Enterprise has officially been renewed.  All those people who told me that God exists can apologize now.

OH THANK GOD!! Thank you UPN!! Thank you!!

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*bump*

I just wanted to express my love of the Enterprise Season 3 Finale last nite. It was an amazing episode which was a great end to to one of the best seasons in StarTrek history. Plus it had Evil Nazi aliens.

If you didnt hear me the first time:
EVIL NAZI ALIENS!!!.

And it closed with one hell of a cliffhanger. I cant wait til September for new episodes. 

10/10

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Did it have cyborg monkeys? If there weren't any cyborg monkeys then I'm not listening.

Right now, I simply can't believe that the whole science fiction/fantasy genre is basically represented by a third rate spin off of Star Trek.  I eagerly await Farscape: The Peacekeeper War to show us the light again.

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Until this past season i would have agreed with your assumption that Enterprise is a 3rd rate spinoff. But after the superb season 3 and excellent season finale last nite, i gotta disagree with you.

In my opinion, Enterprise Season 3 was (in it's entirety) one of the best seasons of any Star Trek series. I only disliked one episode (the one with Flox taking care of the crew during a hibernation), and many other ones were absolute gold. Enterprise aint DS9, but it's getting better and better with age.

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TOS is still the best for me. Well the effects where cheap but this series has had a sense of humor which is rare today. And take the actors: William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy. They have still cult character. This summer we will have a Blockbuster movie in the German cinemas. It's called Traumschiff Surprise. It's a very respectless parody of Star Trek and especially on Spock and Kirk.

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Originally posted by the sweet Sweetmelly: Well the effects where cheap but this series has had a sense of humor which is rare today.

For a moment I've thought you were talking about "Raumpatroille Orion" (someone less lazy may translate the series' title).
 

Traumschiff Surprise

Oh yes, that one ... It's basing on a TV comedy series ...
Here an example from an episode I remember:

Spuck: Cabtaiiin, my cabtaiiin .. *waves with arms*
Cpt Girg: Yesss, Mr Spuck?
Spuck: Tssse desssigner just beamed on boarrrd ...
Designer: Helllo boyyys! Here I aaaam, with yourrr new happy gay Summer uniforms ...

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!111one!

I had so much respect for the man before this 

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Originally posted by Lurrr:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!111one!

I had so much respect for the man before this   

This better be just idle chit-chat.

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Bad News for all fans of TOS:

James Doohan (aka Scotty) battles with Alzheimer

'Scotty' Has Alzheimer's, Agent Says

Tue Jul 6, 6:51 PM ET 

By MELANTHIA MITCHELL, Associated Press Writer

SEATTLE - James M. Doohan, the actor who played Scotty on the '60s "Star Trek" TV series, has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites), his agent confirmed Tuesday.


Doohan, 84, was diagnosed with Alzheimer's "within the last couple months," agent Steven Stevens told The Associated Press.


He said Doohan is in the beginning stages of the disease, a progressive neurological disorder that afflicted former President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites), who died June 5.


Doohan also has suffered for some time with Parkinson's disease (news - web sites), diabetes and fibrosis due to chemical exposure during World War II and the D-Day invasion in France, Stevens said.


He lives in Redmond, a suburb northeast of Seattle. A telephone number wasn't listed, and a call to his son, Chris Doohan, of California, wasn't immediately returned Tuesday.


Stevens said he last saw Doohan in January in Los Angeles when the actor made a cameo appearance in the upcoming horror film "Skinwalker: Curse of the Shaman."


"He didn't have any energy and he seemed very frail. But as soon as they yelled `action,' he was the same old feisty Scotty," said Stevens, who has represented Doohan for 28 years.


Doohan's career spans more than 50 years, but he's best known for his role as the USS Enterprise's affable chief engineer, Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, in the original 1966-69 "Star Trek" TV series.


He's also appeared in several "Star Trek" movies.


Doohan has lived in Redmond for almost a dozen years with his wife, Wende. They have a 4-year-old daughter and two older sons, and Doohan has four children from a previous marriage, Stevens said.


Doohan is scheduled to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame Aug. 31.


He plans to attend a three-day "Star Trek" farewell convention, Aug. 28-30, in Hollywood, Stevens said. All surviving members of the original Enterprise crew are scheduled to attend, including William Shatner, who played Capt. James T. Kirk, and Leonard Nimoy (news), who was Mr. Spock.

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yeah i heard about Doohan on CNN.com. It's really sad. I met the guy once at a StarTrek Convention and he was one of the nicest guys ive ever met.

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I just wanted to ask all you die hard Star Trek fans a question.  How do you all feel about George Takei announcing that he's gay all these years?

I personally have no problem with people who are gay as long as they aren't attracted to me since I'm straight.  However, I've heard that most Star trek fans are either okay with this or pissed off.
 
 

mercurynews.com

Posted on Thu, Oct. 27, 2005
 
 
George Takei, 'Mr. Sulu' of Star Trek fame, comes out

Associated Press


LOS ANGELES - Actor George Takei, best known for his role as Mr. Hikaru Sulu in "Star Trek," comes out as homosexual in the Oct. 26 issue of Frontiers, a biweekly Los Angeles magazine covering the gay and lesbian community.

Takei said his new onstage role, as psychologist Martin Dysart in "Equus," helped inspire him to publicly discuss his sexuality. Takei described the character as a "very contained but turbulently frustrated man." The play opened Wednesday at the David Henry Hwang Theater in Los Angeles.

The current social and political climate also motivated Takei's disclosure, he said.

"The world has changed from when I was a young teen feeling ashamed for being gay," he said. "The issue of gay marriage is now a political issue. That would have been unthinkable when I was young."

The 68-year-old actor said he considers himself as "having been out for quite some time." Takei and his partner, Brad Altman, have been together for 18 years.

Takei, a Japanese-American who lived in a U.S. internment camp from age 4 to 8, said he grew up feeling shameful about his ethnicity and sexuality. He likened prejudice against gays to racial segregation.

"It's against basic decency and what American values stand for," he said.

Takei began his acting career in 1959, appearing in "Ice House" with Richard Burton. He joined the "Star Trek" cast in 1973 as Mr. Sulu, a character he played for three seasons on television and in six subsequent films. Takei has appeared in scores of movies and television shows. He received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 1986.

A community activist, Takei ran for the Los Angeles City Council in 1973. He serves on the advisory committee of the California Civil Liberties Public Education Program and is chairman of East West Players, the theater company producing "Equus." The play closes Dec. 4.
 

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Hey FryFan.

As for Takai being gay, that's his business (and your story is old - this came out - no pun intended - at least a month ago) and if any fans have a problem with it, well, then they're the ones with the problem.

To each their own -I'm straight and I prefer to spend my time with a certain 5'3" Irish redhead, but if a guy wants to spend time with another guy, or a woman wants to spend time with another woman - well, I don't understand it, but I wish them the best of luck.

Now if Shatner comes out the closet, my perception of reality will be called into question.

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However, I've heard that most Star trek fans are either okay with this or pissed off.

Another quality bump brought to you by your friendly neighborhood SpyORama.  On the positive side, you can't argue with his facts.

I also didn't know we had a Trek thread...or maybe I did and forgot about it.  I wonder why no one bumped it for Doohan's death?

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I'm pretty sure Doohan was mentioned on PEEL, but I can't remember where.

I had no idea Sulu was gay, weird. Oh well, life goes on.

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No? Really?

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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:

No? Really?

Sulu, The Gay Blade...

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just wanted to ask all you die hard Star Trek fans a question.  How do you all feel about George Takei announcing that he's gay all these years?

I honestly couldn't care less. I could try, but I would really just set myself up for failure.

I mean, it has absolutely nothing to do with his acting ability (or lack of same) nor could it ever detract from the work he did as Sulu.

How did you expect us to feel? Betrayed because he hid this from us for so long? Disgusted that a gay man would ever work on Star Trek? Exalted because it means Trek is a really progressive show? Please. His sexual orientation is his own business and has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally posted by Teral:
How did you expect us to feel? Betrayed because he hid this from us for so long? Disgusted that a gay man would ever work on Star Trek? Exalted because it means Trek is a really progressive show? Please. His sexual orientation is his own business and has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm concerned.

Bravo. *claps*

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I agree with Teral on this point, it really should not matter what the actors sexuality, religious beliefs ect are just what they bring to the show.

Besides DS9 had that lesbian kiss and I am sure most of the fans did not mind that (although in the context of the show it was the feelings of a previous host coming through but never the less).

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I don't think it matters that he's gay, either.  The whole point about Star Trek was about tolerance, whether you were black, white, male, female.

I'm not actually a big Star Trek fan.  I'm like Matt Groening, I don't think I've seen a complete episode of any Star Trek show.  I was just curious as to what Star Trek fans thought of this news.  I heard this news was big in the Star Trek community.

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It's amazing how much this does not affect my life at all.

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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
I'm pretty sure Doohan was mentioned on PEEL, but I can't remember where.

Right here, baby.

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Oh Gawd!  It's going to be another pre-quel!

From www.startrek.net  - the first poster for the new movie...

 http://www.startrek.com/html/images/spacer.gif

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Yes! Somebody bumped the Star Trek thread! All my photography errors can flow forth from me now! Oh, I'm so happy!

Oh, and for some resaon I can't see your link, RS. Oh well. Let me go check Wikipedia... And then go compile my inconsistencies!

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Dammit!

Give me my DS9 movie!!!! 

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I love Star Trek, but this movie doesn't sound good. I liked the idea of the mirror universe movie with Kirk, Picard, and Archer, and others, including Data and Worf. I'll likely go see the movie, though.

I have never seen an episode of Deep Space Nine, so my race is between The Original Series and The Next Generation. TOS was awesome, but I like the stories that TNG had and Data. I'll vote later, I guess I'm saying.

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IC_Weiner, you have not lived until you have seen DS9, especially the last 4 seasons, absolute brilliance.

In my mind, the same goes for the latter half of Enterprise, but that would probably get me crucified in forum by saying it...

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My drama director will talk for 10 minutes about how good DS9 is. He also has a Worf mousepad, next to the Canadian Ministry of Education mousepad he got at a convention in New Orleans, in his classroom. In short, he's quite Trekky-ish.

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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
In my mind, the same goes for the latter half of Enterprise, but that would probably get me crucified in forum by saying it...

I'll take some of the heat off you... I thought the first half of Enterprise wasn't half bad either.  I enjoyed that first half.

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Oh yeah. The first half had some great episodes, especially the one's with Borg left over from First Contact, and it was great to see the Andorians out in force for the first time in decades.

I liked it, but once the show got to Season 3 it really hit it's stride. The Xindi story-arc was amazing, and Season 4....is right behind Season 6 of DS9 as the best single season of a Star Trek series ever.

The augments, Romulans, Terra Nova, it was all just perfect. Tis a shame that it went out so soon, just as it started to redeem itself in alot of fan's eyes...

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Sounds like a good idea for a movie but I have doubts as to whether they can pull it off successfully.

Which Trek is best:
1) Trek TOS. I grew up with it. 'Nuff said. Still the best stories and characterisation. Looks dated now though.
2) TNG. As good as TOS, if only because it lasted longer.

After that it was downhill all the way, baby.

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I like TOS because it's like a matinee style scifi programming and the over the top acting coincides with the special effects and makes it an enjoyable show.  Also because they could adress social issues and taboos in hidden manners.  I've seen a fair amount of TNG episodes, I like most of the actors and characters, but I think after TOS, the show sometimes takes itself too seriously.  I haven't seen much of the follow up programs, I've got nothing against the franchise, it's just something I've never really immersed myself into