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« Reply #80 on: 12-03-2002 15:49 »
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Not that big, actually. The movie is 2 hours, 59 minutes, 9 seconds. Today E News Live will show some interviews with the cast and probably some clips. Everybody interested should check out  http://www.theonering.net It's a excellent site and has been posting a bunch of videos, lately.

Does a Hobbit style TOTPD.
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« Reply #81 on: 12-03-2002 16:26 »

I hope I have time to read the rest of Book 1 and then Book 2 before it's finished in the cinema.

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« Reply #82 on: 12-16-2002 12:18 »
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sorry I have posted something wrong in this thred
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« Reply #83 on: 12-17-2002 00:02 »

I'm glad you admit it.
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« Reply #84 on: 12-17-2002 17:31 »

Thursday night, 8 pm CET, "The Two Towers". I'm there baby!

Yeah I know it premieres earlier, but that was the first available ticket I could get a hold of. And from the reviews I've already read this movie shold be better than "The Fellowship Of The Ring". I can't see how that's possible, but it still sounds great.
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« Reply #85 on: 12-18-2002 04:45 »
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Just saw it, good some of the visuals were incredable. They cut out a lot of stuff with the Ents (my favorite part of the second book) but the more I think of it, the more the Ent stuff couldn't have worked in the film.

Also Gimli reminded my more of a Discworld Dwarf then a Tolken Dwarf in the film... but he did do a great job as comic relief, but still could do well in battle.
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« Reply #86 on: 12-19-2002 20:08 »

Oh...my...God! Sweet zombie-jesus on a tricycle with mashed potatoes in his hair! The word awesome doesn't even begin to describe this movie.

Fantastic visuals, brilliant CGI (the Ents in particular), awesome fight scenes, great scale models. And a good deal of humor. I loved how Legolas greeted Aragorn at Helm's Deep. "You're late", heh.

Sometimes it pays of not reading the books. One guy 2 rows behind me twice blurted out "that's not in the book". Sounds like it annoyed him. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.  big grin

No, I don't know where the mashed potatoes bit came from either.
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« Reply #87 on: 12-20-2002 01:33 »

 
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One guy 2 rows behind me twice blurted out "that's not in the book". Sounds like it annoyed him. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Haha--idiot.

I swear, when a movie is based on a book, there is someone like that at EVERY showing. They just have to let the whole theater know that they are literate, and unhappy with the non-intellectual medium of film. They can't just sit back and enjoy the movie, and they sure as hell can't just keep their criticisms to themselves. Their only purpose in life is to go to movies based on books and say "hey you--yeah you, the people watching this story for the first time! I experienced it in book form quite some time ago, and it was much better!".

Even at the dollar theater showing of Battlefield Earth, there was some idiot right behind us, yelling "They only covered half of the book!" as the credits started rolling.
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« Reply #88 on: 12-30-2002 17:27 »
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I saw the Twin Towers the other day, good flick, gotta love smeggy jumping around the place like an idiot and Sauron is a fairly cool dude.
Did anyone else find the scenes between Frodo and Samwise very homoerotic?, I expected them to start making out any minute
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« Reply #89 on: 12-30-2002 17:53 »
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Oddly, yes, I did. It creeped me out. And the fact that Gollum was around was worse.

Gollum: Give it to us, fresh... wiggling...

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Fishy, if you've actually read the book as well, and encounter someone like that, you can challenge them. That seems like it would be fun. They expect everyone just to sit there and think "Oh, well then", I doubt they have a rebuttal planned.

One guy was going on about how the BOOK stopped ahead of where the film did. And it not subtle, its not an error, OBVIOUSLY its going to happen in the next movie. I should have torn into that guy.
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« Reply #90 on: 12-30-2002 22:11 »

I just saw this last night.  I was quite impressed, can't wait for the next one.  My brother now refers to Gollum as Jar Jar Binks.
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« Reply #91 on: 12-31-2002 06:47 »

I just read the 3rd book, and now I can't wait for that. Now I think that is the best one
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« Reply #92 on: 12-31-2002 06:51 »

 
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...Gollum as Jar Jar Binks.

You know, that thought crossed my mind too...

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« Reply #93 on: 12-31-2002 13:26 »

Bah, Gollum would tear out Jar Jar's throat with his bare teeth.
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« Reply #94 on: 12-31-2002 13:28 »

And that's why we love him.Gollum rules.I always hated Jar-Jar for spoiling Star Wars forever.
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« Reply #95 on: 12-31-2002 13:30 »

I went to see The Two Towers yesterday  smile I liked it much better than the first film. I hope that the final film will just be as good.

Trivia: When Legolas went down the steps on that plate thingy, there were a few notes of the "Back to the Future" theme...
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« Reply #96 on: 12-31-2002 14:27 »

 
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Bah, Gollum would tear out Jar Jar's throat with his bare teeth.

 love I wish...  big grin

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« Reply #97 on: 12-31-2002 14:41 »

Don't we all.
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« Reply #98 on: 12-31-2002 16:06 »

Saw the original cinema edition of The Fellowship, *damn you Santa, no extended editions in the shops anywhere for another few weeks* and now I've to finsh the last 3 chapters of TT, then off to the cinema by gollum!!
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« Reply #99 on: 12-31-2002 20:46 »

 
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Bah, Gollum would tear out Jar Jar's throat with his bare teeth.

I'd pay good money to see that.

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« Reply #100 on: 01-01-2003 00:31 »

Used the free admission thingy from the extended edition tonight - 4 hours before it expired.

A couple of questions, that I forgot the first time around:

Since when did Arwen wear see-through clothes?  I don't remember that in the book.

How the bloody hell could anyone blow the horn in Helm's Deep?  Wouldn't that require an enormous lung capacity?

I thought the discussion between Sam and Frodo, the "tell us the story of Frodo and The Ring" discussion, came towrds the end of "Return of the King?"
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« Reply #101 on: 01-02-2003 00:35 »

A couple of answers:

1: Well, not in the book but what are you complaining about?

2: You're right but you know, dwarves are pretty strong.

3: No, the discussion betweem Sam and Frodo is in The Two Towers.

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« Reply #102 on: 01-03-2003 17:11 »

I went to see the movie again with a few friends. When the elves arrived at Helms Deep one of them (more an aquintance, seeing as it was a friend of a friend) blurted out, you guessed it, "that wasn't in the book!!" Afterwards we talked a bit about the movie, and he kept going on about those elves at Helms Deep. I can see where he is coming from, I do it with Star Trek sometimes, but come on.

If that was a bit of artistic freedom, I say it's a bloody good piece of artistic freedom. Those elves looked unbelievably COOL! Exactly like I've always imagined elves would look in battle. And it sends a nice message about good joining together against evil.

Some questions though. I haven't read the books so bear with me if it's answered in those.

How does Frodo know Sméagol's name? He has only heard the name Gollum.

When the wall at Helms Deep is breached, Aragorn yell to Gimli to duck and the elves unleash a volley of arrows, and go for the swords afterwards. Maybe I'm just crazy, but why didn't they keep firing arrows. Those volleys looked deadly, and using Legolas as example, elves can shot pretty darn fast. Lots of Uruk-Hais would've found a pointy death.

Those 7-10 people in the room with Aragorn and Theoden in the end. Was that all that was left of the Helms Deep garrison? Or did other forces retreat elsewhere?

 
 
Another question I found an answer to myself: How did Pippin know the forest around Isengard was destroyed? Because he could see Isengard when he and Merry watched Sauroman's army marching toward Helms Deep.


And finally some great quotes:

Legolas: "You're late. .... You look terrible."

Gimli: "Keep breathing... that's the key." (moans)

(Pans across a long row of tall, battle-dressed elves. Suddenly there is a gap in the line)
Gimli: "You could've picked a better spot!"

Gollum: "They stole it from us, the filthy little thievesss."

Sméagol: "Nice hobbit."

Gimli: "Toss me! ... But don't tell the elf."

Gimli: "What's happening?"
Legolas: "Do want me to decribe it to you, or should I find you a box?"

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
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« Reply #103 on: 01-03-2003 17:39 »

Answer's to Teral's Questions:

In the Fellowship book,Gandalf tells Frodo about the ring,And Gollum's Betrayal he tells Frodo Gollums real name and his Species.

There was hell of alot of Arrow's Teral,600 Versis 10,000..Even if the Elves could fire that fast I doubt they could have kept the fire up for long if they stood.

Helmsdeep is a keep,My theory is the Army broke and scattered around the keep.Some went into the caves in the book,The rest inside the keep.

I don't know about the last one,Sorry.
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« Reply #104 on: 01-03-2003 17:48 »

 
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There was hell of alot of Arrow's Teral,600 Versis 10,000..Even if the Elves could fire that fast I doubt they could have kept the fire up for long if they stood.

Naturally they would have to use swords in the end. But the Uruks storm through a hole some 7-8 m wide, a bottleneck in other words. When Legolas does the shield-slide move, he's firing an arrow every 2 seconds or so. At least the elves should've been able to fire 4 or 5 volleys more, at wich point their quivers most likely would've been empty. Would still have taken out a couple hundred more Uruks. Why go for melee if you can do the safer thing?

It's no big deal, the melee combat looks cool too. But just from a logical stand point...
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« Reply #105 on: 01-03-2003 17:52 »

But Arrow's are not umlimited.I think Legolas would rather melee inside the keep rather than recollect the arrows inches away from 10,000 Orks and Uruks.

I would.
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« Reply #106 on: 01-03-2003 17:57 »

I'd just as soon keep them as far away from me as possible for as long as possible.  The tactics in this movie really did suck at points.  A small army can hold out for ages against a much larger army if they can keep the bottleneck, which they could have.  With such a small corridor, the orcs wouldn't have been able to press the advantage as numbers as well as if they were on an open field, especially if the defenders have a ranged attack, which they did.
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« Reply #107 on: 01-03-2003 17:58 »
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@ Nurdy:

I said that. Once the quivers are empty go for melee. But if they have the time (and they do) use those arrows. An unspend elf-arrow is a dead enemy less.
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« Reply #108 on: 01-03-2003 18:24 »

I agree,The Melee is a last measure.

The Orc/Urik armour was badly smithed.Seriously why didn't they carry at Target on there neck's or something...?
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« Reply #109 on: 01-03-2003 18:42 »

Nurdbot, I don't think that Saruman had elven archers in mind when he designed the armor... They were expecting cavalry, that is why they all had pikes.
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« Reply #110 on: 01-03-2003 19:01 »

I don't think Tolkien had elven archers in his mind when he thought of Helm's Deep. And just to clear something: the place where the Uruk-hai putted the bombs was the sewer that Grima said to Saruman that it was more than a sewer, right?
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« Reply #111 on: 01-04-2003 00:58 »

No, he said that the Rohirrim thought it was just a drain, but it was actually the only weak spot in the wall, the exhaust vent in the Death Star, as it were. 

And was it just me or was the lighting of the bombs like a perverse Olympic torch?
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« Reply #112 on: 01-04-2003 02:18 »
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^
Come to think about it..

"And now the national Urik Torch Bearer clomps towards the bomb,He's hit.."
"Woah he look's bad Joe..could he muster up the Spirit to light it still..?
"And he tosses himself with the torch onto the bomb!!..Uh..should we be killing things.."


(Pans across a long row of tall, battle-dressed elves. Suddenly there is a gap in the line)
Gimli: "You could've picked a better spot!"

One of the more Humorus parts.
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« Reply #113 on: 01-04-2003 05:27 »

Nix: It looked exactly like that.


I think there was plenty of "tension relief" with the hilaric Gimli scenes. Like when he 's stuck under one of those beasts, and then under another.

Did anyone else notice in the credits that the actor who performed Gimli also did the voice of the Ent?
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« Reply #114 on: 01-04-2003 09:00 »

Yeah, the "Olympic runner" part looked particular silly. How hard could it have been to have one of the orc's simply shooting a flame arrow in there?

Moreover, how did Aragorn know it was important to stop the Uruk-hai? Are explosives a wellknown thing in Middle Earth?

 
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Did anyone else notice in the credits that the actor who performed Gimli also did the voice of the Ent?

I saw that too.

One of the things that impressed me the most was how you were convinced that Gimli was only 4 feet tall. John Rhys-Davies is 6'1, yet the effects department did a splendid job of mixing him with the other actors (who are for the most part shorter than him) and making it look natural.
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« Reply #115 on: 01-04-2003 12:08 »

 
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how did Aragorn know it was important to stop the Uruk-hai? Are explosives a wellknown thing in Middle Earth?

No, I'm pretty sure explosives are a new thing, but if I see the enemy suddenly make a path for a torch-bearer, I'm going to be more than a little concerned.  One of those things where you don't know why, but something is telling you that it's important.

I thought the best part of that was watching the chunks of rock land.  Man, those had to hurt.

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« Reply #116 on: 01-04-2003 15:01 »

I thought being caught in the Uruk grappling hook's and being dragged over the edge onto all those pikes looked more painfull.
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« Reply #117 on: 01-10-2003 15:30 »

O.K. I am very bad in remembering the names of characters.
I 'm not that good at following complicated/multiple  storylines either, and I think I missed something.  Here goes:

That Hobbit guy who gave Frodo the ring, what 's his name, and what happened to him?
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« Reply #118 on: 01-10-2003 15:49 »

His name is Bilbo Baggins. He's the hobbit we see in Rivendell, after Frodo wakes up. I don't think the movie told us what happened to him, but I'm sure the book does.

Maybe he went with the elves to the Undying Lands.
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« Reply #119 on: 01-10-2003 18:19 »

Frodo and Sam's sexuality.... remember how Frodo encourages Sam to dance with the girl in Fellowship. The extended edition of the Fellowship actually shows a scene of Sam getting mad when another Hobbit hits on that girl.
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