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« Reply #440 on: 03-30-2004 17:50 »

Wouldn't that make us siblings? Maybe we could get Merc to play Theoden, that is if he don't mind dying.
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« Reply #441 on: 03-30-2004 17:53 »

Wait...what is this I hear about me dying?

...I'm no sure I like the sound of that.
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« Reply #442 on: 03-30-2004 18:52 »

I suppose I'd call Arwen, simply because I get to waft around in nice dresses and fawn over Aragorn.  wink
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« Reply #443 on: 03-31-2004 03:07 »

Yeah well, you get to be the book Arwen, who never leaves Rivendell.
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« Reply #444 on: 03-31-2004 05:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Yeah well, you get to be the book Arwen, who never leaves Rivendell.

She leaves Rivendell in the books too, just not until the entire trilogy is nearly over (it's noted in one of the appendices).
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« Reply #445 on: 03-31-2004 07:21 »

Are you doing the book or the film?

I get to be a good person, who is a hero and doesn't die.

Also I need a horse.
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« Reply #446 on: 03-31-2004 14:01 »

For women Eowyn (and partly Arwen) is pretty much it. But the hobbits are still available, Sam even had a horse, well more of a pony; Bill.
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« Reply #447 on: 03-31-2004 14:45 »

But he ran off and was nowhere near the battle.

I can be Shadowfax, because I've got the eh, "equipment".  big grin  flirt

I've go this aluminium foil I can paint white to get my coat all shiny...
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« Reply #448 on: 03-31-2004 14:46 »
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In the book, Shadowfax was grey.  That's why he's called Shadowfax.  I guess they changed it in the movies to go along with Gandalf's look.
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« Reply #449 on: 03-31-2004 14:48 »
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Galadriel is up for grabs. She's some kind of hero for resisting... Disregard- we're only doing the battle...

Did anyone besides me get pissed off that they brought in Haldir and then had him killed- this seemed unfair and unnecessary. The armor looked the part, but was that really worth such a major change in the storyline?
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« Reply #450 on: 03-31-2004 14:57 »

ope, I actually liked Haldir's deathscene. When Haldir looks at his fallen comrades, it really brought home to me that the time of the elves was over, more than words could ever have done.

Then again I didn't read "The Two Towers" until after having seen the movie.

Wait a minute ... there was one guy at the cinema that kept complaining about the elves arriving at Helms Deep, and how it diviated from the book. It was you, wasn't it?  tongue
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« Reply #451 on: 03-31-2004 15:10 »

It might have been- I did it after the midnight premiere in Odense- Were you there? We were interviewed twice because of our kickass costumes. We were also interviewed twice at the premiere of ROTK- Hell yeah...

It is true that it is a good scene- it sort of rekindles the brotherhood between men and elves, and they add some diversity and class/style to the whole Battle of Helm's Deep. And the death scene was really on the money. BUT: Haldir does not die- ever. So why bring him in for the scene? He was a good guy.
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« Reply #452 on: 03-31-2004 15:23 »

No, I saw it in Kolding, the day after the premiere I think.

I too liked the reference to The Last Alliance, and the fighting style of the elves. The reason they used Haldir, well apart from the external one (he's already introduced in FOTR, and they didn't want to confuse the average moviegoer with yet another elf (same reason they cut Glorfindel, curse them!)) I don't have any suggestions.

The thing that still bugs me about the Helms Deep battle though is Aragorn and the elves charging the hole in the Deeping Wall before having spent all their arrows. Ranks right up there with Theoden's charge n the mumakils. Not the mark of a good tactician.
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« Reply #453 on: 03-31-2004 15:28 »

Yeah- they a rapid series of volleys would have dispatched at least a good few handfuls of bad guys. But to cgarge feels good- believe me.
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« Reply #454 on: 04-01-2004 14:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion:
In the book, Shadowfax was grey.  That's why he's called Shadowfax.  I guess they changed it in the movies to go along with Gandalf's look.
Shows how much you know, aluminium foil painted white turns grey.
I can't believe you've never tried it!  eek

Haldir had a wobbly bit under his chin, not very elven-like, the Firstborn are all slim and toned.  wink

I don't understand why Aragorn didn't send the Dead to the Pelannor fileds like in the film, or even into Mordor in the film, since they're practically invincible.
Probably scared of Sauron...
wimps.
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« Reply #455 on: 04-01-2004 21:43 »
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Originally posted by Teral:
For women Eowyn (and partly Arwen) is pretty much it. But the hobbits are still available, Sam even had a horse, well more of a pony; Bill.

I don't want to be Eowyn. She is very annoying. I don't mind arwen, but I think coilette's taken her. On no account will I be Sam.

Ah hell, I'll be Farrathing. He has a horse, right? And he doesn't die does he?

We'll dress Tweek up in a dress and he can be Eowyn. If we put flowers in his hair he would look pretty.  smile

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« Reply #456 on: 04-01-2004 22:51 »
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I'll be Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth.
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« Reply #457 on: 04-02-2004 15:27 »

 
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Ah hell, I'll be Farrathing. He has a horse, right? And he doesn't die does he?

We'll dress Tweek up in a dress and he can be Eowyn. If we put flowers in his hair he would look pretty.   smile
Faramir has a horsie for a while...
Then he gets pelted with eleventy million arrows and afflicted with the Nazgul coma, misses the whole battle, then he marries Eowyn, who you said should be Tweek.
Good luck!  big grin  tongue
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« Reply #458 on: 04-02-2004 15:36 »

I don't mind sitting out the battles, it's not good for my health. I didn't really like pinching Glorfindel's glory anyhow.
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« Reply #459 on: 04-03-2004 15:17 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Faramir has a horsie for a while...
Then he gets pelted with eleventy million arrows and afflicted with the Nazgul coma, misses the whole battle, then he marries Eowyn, who you said should be Tweek.
Good luck!   big grin   tongue

Jealous? Do you want to wear a dress?

Fine, you can be Eowyn.

It'll help you get in touch with your feminine side  tongue

Tweek can be an ork thing. I don't mind missing a battle, I'll mess up my new haircut, and we wouldn't want that.  big grin

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« Reply #460 on: 04-03-2004 18:51 »

Cut it out! I already called dibs on Eowyn, dammit!
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« Reply #461 on: 04-03-2004 19:06 »

Fine, you can be in a dress, and I'll skip the battle.

Ok?
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« Reply #462 on: 04-03-2004 19:15 »

I don't wanna be Eowyn, and I touch my feminine side enough already.

But then it gets all sticky.

Besides, I already called one of the mumakils, one of the good ones, the one that mauls Timmy the Southrons.
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« Reply #463 on: 04-04-2004 03:34 »

I'd like us all to take a moment of silence for Loew's Theaters Cherry Hill, which has been without Return of the King now for over 24 hours.

Updated movie sword preference:

Glamdring > the sword Arwen was running around with > Sword of the Witch King > Aragorn's ranger sword > Legolas' twin daggers > Gimli's single-bladed ax > Aragorn's Elvish dagger > Narsil/Anduril > Sting.
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« Reply #464 on: 05-12-2004 04:29 »

THE ENTIRE SILMARILLION OF J. R. R. TOLKIEN IN ONE THOUSAND WORDS.

Okay, I know that I could have posted this in the link thread, but I thought that people might appreciate it more here.  Also, I wanted to bump this thread.
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« Reply #465 on: 05-12-2004 05:39 »

 
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Originally posted by catindisguise:
We'll dress Tweek up in a dress and he can be Eowyn. If we put flowers in his hair he would look pretty.   smile

I'm afraid, I'm very afraid   hmpf  tongue
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« Reply #466 on: 05-12-2004 14:51 »

David A:  laff  laff  laff

"ILUVATAR: LA, dammit.
MELKOR: Bwam bardle ningle boom.
AINUR: . . .
ILUVATAR: Right, you're out of the band.
MELKOR: Fine, I was leaving anyway."

Genius.
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« Reply #467 on: 05-12-2004 15:11 »

Best thing I've read all week.  laff Now I don't have to read this: *tosses Silmarillion in the trash can*

LAST ALLIANCE OF ELVES AND MEN: Push off.
SAURON: Make me.
ISILDUR: Whack.
SAURON: Ow.
ELROND: Hey, you got his ring. Let's ditch it.
ISILDUR: No.
ELROND: This sucks.
ISILDUR: Tell me about it. *dies*

Best recap ever.
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« Reply #468 on: 05-12-2004 15:30 »

SARUMAN: It's not him. Also the ring's lost at sea.
RING: No I'm not.
THE WISE: Augh.
THE WEAK: Bad ring! Volcano for you!
RING: *melts*
SAURON: AUGH!
MORDOR: BOOM.

Brilliant.
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« Reply #469 on: 05-12-2004 18:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Tweek:
I'm afraid, I'm very afraid    hmpf   tongue

Aw come on Tweeky. You know you want to.....  flirt
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« Reply #470 on: 05-12-2004 23:16 »
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Ok, Treebeard says "...young master Gandalf..." in the Two Towers movie, but isn't he younger than Gandalf?   confused

After reading The Silmarillion (with only one mention of Ents, so far anyway) and Gandalf/Olórin being mentioned earlier as one of the Maia, I got the impression ol' Gandypants is a lot older.
Unless you're speaking in terms of Middle Earth...
Then ol' Treebie was there 1st, right?

Also, what the hell's Bombadil?
Vala? Maia? Freaky old perv from outer space?
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« Reply #471 on: 05-13-2004 00:09 »

 
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Ok, Treebeard says "...young master Gandalf..." in the Two Towers movie, but isn't he younger than Gandalf?    confused

After reading The Silmarillion (with only one mention of Ents, so far anyway) and Gandalf/Olórin being mentioned earlier as one of the Maia, I got the impression ol' Gandypants is a lot older.
Unless you're speaking in terms of Middle Earth...
Then ol' Treebie was there 1st, right?

Yeah, Olórin is older than Middle Earth itself; but Treebeard was already around by the time that Olórin came to Middle Earth in the guise of Gandalf.

 
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Also, what the hell's Bombadil?
Vala? Maia? Freaky old perv from outer space?

Bombadil is neither a Vala, a Maia, nor an Elf; nor does he belong to any of the mortal races of Middle Earth.

Bombadil is something else.  What exactly that something is, Tolkien himself never said.  He was meant to be a mystery, and he remains so.
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« Reply #472 on: 05-13-2004 00:13 »
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Olórin is indeed older than Treebeard, but I think the line in the movie refers to Gandalf in Middle Earth, not Olórin in Valinor.

Also, I'm not quite sure what Bombadil is (I don't think no one's quite sure what he is) He doesn't feels tempted by the power of the Ring, so he must be from Valinor. But that's all I know. Maybe someone here knows more.

EDIT: What David A said.
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« Reply #473 on: 05-13-2004 01:54 »

Bombadil was there first, that's all I know.  Bombadil is Bombadil.  "Eldest, that's what I am.  ... Tom was here before the river and the trees; Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn.  He made paths before the Big People, and saw the little People arriving.  He was here before the Kings and the graves and the Barrow-wights.  When the Elves passed westard, Tom was here already, before the seas were bent.  He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless -- before the Dark Lord came from the Outside."

My quesiton is, which Dark Lord was he referring to?  Morgoth or Sauron?
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« Reply #474 on: 05-13-2004 14:02 »
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So Eru must have snuck him in and didn't tell the Valar, sneaky bastard!

Both Morgoth and Sauron came from the outside but Morgoth generally stayed in Beleriand and Sauron roamed around to both Beleriand and Middle Earth and since there's no mention of Bombadil living in Beleriand, I'd say he's talking about old Sauron.
Although it's quite possible he was aware of Melkor/Morgoth.
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« Reply #475 on: 05-13-2004 15:23 »
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Morgoth made several journeys into Middle Earth. Among other things he destroyed Almaren and the Lamps of the Valar, all three were located in Middle Earth. Generally the Fearless Dark refer to the peaceful times, before the Valar left Middle Earth for Valinor. Later Morgoth's influence and his hideous creatures terrorised the races of dark Middle Earth. His spies also discovered the elves in Cuiviénen in the far east of Middle Earth, it's reasonably that old Morgoth took a field trip to observe them himself, before capturing some for his experiments. In short I think he was talking about Morgoth.
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« Reply #476 on: 05-13-2004 17:30 »

I just watched the two towers for the first time in ages and when Gandalf is in that big hall thing with the king of Rohan when he is possessed or whatever, it really looks like he is wearing trainers!  eek I'm scared....
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« Reply #477 on: 05-14-2004 13:42 »

Why? Trainerphobia?
They can't hurt you cat!

Teral: ...He's an Yrch!! Gettim'!!  tongue
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« Reply #478 on: 05-14-2004 18:14 »

Fazey: Obviously you haven't seen the trainers in question. They remind me of townies.  frown
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« Reply #479 on: 05-15-2004 08:40 »

I don't go to awesome movies to watch peoples feet!!
Stop saying I do, damn you!!  tongue

And anyway, Gandy wouldn't wear Townie runners, he goes to "Istari Footwear", it's beside The GAP of Rohan...
 laff  laff
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