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Mr. Potter
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
Another thing I have been dying to get straightened out- The Athelas plant: I am not sure it was nicknamed "King's Foil" at the time of The War of The Ring. I am pretty sure that it was just called Athelas until Aragorn used it to heal the wounded during the War of The Ring... and THEN was it named King's Foil. If this is true, then why did he call it King's Foil when he asked Sam to fetch some of it in "The Fellowship of The Ring"? I just read that part of the book, and yes, Strider (at that time) only refers to it as Athelas, he tells that the Men from the West brought it to Middle Earth, but he never mentions the name King's Foil.
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LAN.gnome
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Originally posted by Mr. Potter: I just read that part of the book, and yes, Strider (at that time) only refers to it as Athelas, he tells that the Men from the West brought it to Middle Earth, but he never mentions the name King's Foil. On pages 845-846 in one edition ( this one), Aragon asks for some athelas, and Ioreth replies that she is unfamiliar with the plant. Aragon then says it is also called kingsfoil, "for so the country-folk call it in these latter days." If you simplify the language used and shorten the exchange, it's fairly similar to the dialogue between Aragon and Sam in FOTR. So while in the book Sam may not have heard of athelas or kingsfoil, the latter term has apparently existed for some time.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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Originally posted by catindisguise: 2. Why did the steward of Gondor go mad? I know his son was dead but geez, trying to burn the other one alive, and why did he do that?
As Pikka mentioned Denethor had a Palantir as well (the crystal ball-like sphere Saruman used to communicate with Sauron), and Sauron was sending him false images of things to come. He saw Minas Tirith as a burning ruin and Sauron's victory. That's one of the reasons he seems to have given up in advance, Boromirs death merely confirms this for him. When Faramir seems to be dying he falls into dispair, his line is broken, Gondor is as good as dead, the stewards have failed. Quite sad actually, because as I understand he was a good man.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #328 on: 01-13-2004 20:04 »
« Last Edit on: 01-13-2004 20:04 »
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gah...can't they stop making that style of screenplay the only accepted format? I get sick of being enthralled in a story, then taken out of it by "EXT. BLAH BLAH -1958"... I mean, not to insult screenwriters, but jeez, have some flexibility.... EDIT: Jackson says he'll do "The Hobbit" only if New Line lands the rights to it. Course, I think the only person they'd think of to make it would be Jackson. Anyway, who wants to see the Simarillion made into a movie? wouldn't that be fun? http://www.idmonsters.com/rtc/06/lotr.html ------------------ Please edit your sig to 120 pixel height max. [This message has been edited by Administrator [-mArc-]
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Mr. Potter
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Wouldn't that be impossible? But yes, it would be fun.
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Action Jacktion
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird: I really wish they'd make a seven-volume LOTR (or just all tolkien books) bound old-school in black (or deep red) leather... A seven-volume edition of LotR is available, but not in leather. Anyway, Tolkien always wanted the story to be in one volume, since it is one continuous narrative. I'm still waiting for a definitive one-volume edition.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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Damn, that's who they mean when they say "may the grace of the valar protect you!"
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Pikka Bird
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: Originally posted by Pikka Bird: I really wish they'd make a seven-volume LOTR (or just all tolkien books) bound old-school in black (or deep red) leather... A seven-volume edition of LotR is available, but not in leather. Anyway, Tolkien always wanted the story to be in one volume, since it is one continuous narrative. I'm still waiting for a definitive one-volume edition. First of all- I meant i wish Harper Collins would make a seven volume edition. Second- A one-volume edition IS available... But I don't know where you can get it. They sold it at ThinkGeek for a while, but not anymore. They also had a seven-volume edition. And another thing- Why would Tolkien split the books up into six books like he did? Was that because of some vague request from some publisher?
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird: And another thing- Why would Tolkien split the books up into six books like he did? Was that because of some vague request from some publisher? Because it was/just after wartime and paper was at a premium? They mentioned it on the TT:EE dvd in one of the specials.
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Action Jacktion
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird: First of all- I meant i wish Harper Collins would make a seven volume edition. Why do you want a seven-volume edition anyway? Like I said, it was supposed to be all in one volume, but Tolkien let the publisher split it in three because they thought it was too long. Are you just trying to collect every possible division of the story? Second- A one-volume edition IS available... But I don't know where you can get it. They sold it at ThinkGeek for a while, but not anymore. They also had a seven-volume edition. I said a definitive one-volume edition. The red leatherette edition that's available is close, but it inexplicably leaves out the close-up map of Gondor. And another thing- Why would Tolkien split the books up into six books like he did? Was that because of some vague request from some publisher? It wasn't meant to be six literal books; that's just what Tolkien decided to call the story divisions. He just as easily could have called them parts or sections. But the six books were the real divisions of the story, not the three volumes. (He pointed out that even though they appear in the same volume, Books III & IV really don't have anything to do with each other, which is why the volume has such a vague name.) At first, Tolkien wanted names for the individual books but not the three volumes (I guess they just would have been LotR vols. I-III). Here they are: Book 1: The Ring Sets Out Book 2: The Ring Goes South Book 3: The Treason of Isengard Book 4: The Ring Goes East Book 5: The War of the Ring Book 6: The End of the Third Age In case anyone cares, he also had alternate titles for the three volumes: Vol. I: The Shadow Grows, The Return of the Shadow Vol. II: The Ring in the Shadow, The Shadow Lengthens Vol. III: The War of the Ring
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Mr. Potter
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I read The Hobbit,The Trilogy, The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales like 5 months before Fellwoship premiered. Then I read them all again before Two Towers premiered, Then I read The Return of the King before ROTK premiered. Now I'm too lazy so I just watch the movies. But I hope to start reading them again soon.
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Grim
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After seeing fellowship, I got a copy of the book, read it about 3 times since then, got the hobbit for christmas just passed, and it was really good. Still wanna get a copy of the silmarillion, whats it like?
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