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Klumsy Kitty

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« Reply #80 on: 07-08-2004 16:59 »

I agree with you Shauker, I don't think Spongebob has had the time yet to earn a high spot on this list, but maybe somewhere down near the bottom due to the reasons Alee said.

 By that logic Ren & Stimpy don't belong there at all; I mean how long of a run did they have? I give them credit for the innovation but they pushed the envelope too hard to last. Spongebob took influence from them and went with a less 'in-your-face' approach and struck gold.

By your criteria Mickey Mouse doesn't belong here either. When Walt Disney lost the rights to his character Oswald the Lucky Rabbit he went home and came up with Mickey Mouse....anyone here ever heard or seen of Oswald outside of a Animation History lesson??? MIckey is a clear rip-off of Oswald BTW.

I'm not saying Ren & Stimy are not deserving of more credit but to make this kind of list they have to have broad and long term popularity and impact. My grandmother knows who Spongebob is and she has never even seen a comic book or more then a few cartoons. You sound the way a lot of Futurama fans sound when they talk about the Simpsons; you know your show is better but it will never get the respect it deserves over the 'popular' one. Give R&S ten years or so and if they still can be shown to have been that major an influence maybe they will be able to make a list like this.
Mr Fuzzywuvems

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« Reply #81 on: 07-09-2004 07:29 »

You're forgetting that Ren and Stimpy was just as, if not more popular than Spongebob for the first two seasons (before the John K firing incident). In fact it was the most watched show on cable!
Also it's influence isn't in question as almost  all popular kids cartoons of the past ten years or so have been influenced by it in some way.
I think both Spongebob and R&S deserve a high place on the list.
Shaucker

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« Reply #82 on: 07-09-2004 09:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Mr Fuzzywuvems:
Why shouldn't Spongebob use techniques invented by Ren and Stimpy? I mean what's the point of inventing a whole new techinique if you're the only show that can use it?

I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying that they shouldn't be on the list because they aren't innovative.


 
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Besides a lot of what was seen as new about Ren and Stimpy was heavily influenced by Bob Clampett cartoons of the 1940's. 

Yeah, I know. And they completely brought it back for the first time in almost fifty years.


If you don't eat meat, you'll break out in vaginas.
Mr Fuzzywuvems

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« Reply #83 on: 07-09-2004 09:17 »

While Spongebob does have a similar stlye to R&S there's alot of completely original things about it. I mean how can you describe a show about Sea Sponge who lives in a Pineapple next to an Easter island statue as not being innovative?

Besides why does a show have to be innovative to be good?
   
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #84 on: 07-10-2004 13:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Shaucker:

19: Mickey Mouse- i hate him, but he is a classic icon of tv, film, and merchendise


How can anyone who considers themeself to be an animation fan hate Mickey Mouse, who revolutioned cartoons?
newhook_1

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« Reply #85 on: 07-10-2004 13:55 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2004 00:00 »

I'm not to fond of him either. Since the late 60's he's become a bastardized shell of his former self thanks to the tag team of political correctness and the corprate world.

I still say Scrooge McDuck was the best Disney character.
elf

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« Reply #86 on: 07-11-2004 13:43 »

This is an outrage! Where are the X-Men? Garfield?
Those adorable "Life is Hell" bunnies!? Well, I'd say the best Disney character is Goofy, only because of that hillbillie laugh. I don't really like Mickey because he's an f***ing bastard for all I care!
Beavis and Butthead should near the bottom!
 
Shaucker

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« Reply #87 on: 07-11-2004 17:12 »

Thank you! Someone else who realizes that cartoons don't have to be animated!
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #88 on: 07-11-2004 21:33 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2004 21:33 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
I'm not to fond of him either. Since the late 60's he's become a bastardized shell of his former self thanks to the tag team of political correctness and the corprate world.


I beg to differ. Watch Mickey Mouseworks and House of Mouse and you'll see (or at least I think you should see) that Mickey has some real personality.

 
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Originally posted by elf:
I don't really like Mickey because he's an f***ing bastard for all I care!
 

You sound like the only exposure to Mickey you have are the late 20's cartoons where was Mickey was more mischevious and polliciatlly incorrect. Mickey is actually a real nice guy, see an early 30's cartoon where he sells Pluto to buy christmas presents for children from a broken family.
Shaucker

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« Reply #89 on: 07-11-2004 23:07 »

THAT's why I hate Micky. Not only is he too nice a guy, but his voice is so grating. To be politically incorrect, he's a gay-ass faggot who sold out.
newhook_1

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« Reply #90 on: 07-11-2004 23:44 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
  You sound like the only exposure to Mickey you have are the late 20's cartoons where was Mickey was more mischevious and polliciatlly incorrect. Mickey is actually a real nice guy, see an early 30's cartoon where he sells Pluto to buy christmas presents for children from a broken family.

I have seen House of Mouse, and it's one of the worst offenders. He had gotten lame and too nice before, but now he's just your standard, trying to be cool, catch phrase weilding(Ah-cha-cha), 1-d personality children's cartoon character. I want the mischevious Mickey back, like in Fantaisa where he messes with magic and gets in trouble. I know it might be sound redundant, but when they bring back old characters and try to update them, it fails horribly 90% of the time. They should have brought Mickey back in his more classic form from the 1920s-1940s. They did it perfectly with Scrooge Mcduck in 1989-1991. OK, well he was in comic books eariler on rather than cartoons before he got a new series, but the point still stands. They gave the same character some new adventures. What's the point of reviving a charcter only to change them completly (like they did with Mickey)?   

Mr Fuzzywuvems

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« Reply #91 on: 07-12-2004 08:26 »

The reason Micky Mouse cartoons became so nice is that he became such a recognised symbol of what Disney stood for that they couldn't make him do anything remotely offensive or immoral, making the cartoons incredibly boring.
I think he's more of an advertising logo than a cartoon character these days.
 
Shaucker

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« Reply #92 on: 07-12-2004 09:01 »

Arg, don't get Micky into Fantasia...that doesn't count.
It was great and all, but I was really upset when it was put into the already-short Fantasia 2000...the Donald one was so BRILLIANT it was hardly necessary. They could have done a different piece.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #93 on: 07-13-2004 21:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Mr Fuzzywuvems:
I think he's more of an advertising logo than a cartoon character these days.
 
Just like Bart Simpson
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Super CheekyBab

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« Reply #94 on: 07-14-2004 05:02 »

I dont even know who half of those are!!!
WHERE THE F**K IS FUTURAMA?!!AND DRANGONBALL Z?!! AND FAMILY GUY?!oh wait family guy is on well at lest one of the shows i watch is on there!but still im REALLY PI**ED about no Futurama or Dragonball Z!
Super CheekyBab

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« Reply #95 on: 07-14-2004 05:04 »

I dont even know who half of those are!!!
WHEREIS FUTURAMA?!!AND DRANGONBALL Z?!! AND FAMILY GUY?!oh wait family guy is on well at lest one of the shows i watch is on there!but still im REALLY OUTRAGED about no Futurama or Dragonball Z!
Super CheekyBab

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« Reply #96 on: 07-14-2004 05:07 »

sorry people it said that i hadnt sent my message so i sent it again!but still my point is clear!
heeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

i also like Bart John Pannozzi
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #97 on: 07-14-2004 07:55 »

 
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Originally posted by Super CheekyBab:
i also like Bart John Pannozzi

I liked Bart in the earlier days of the Simpsons, but now-a-days he barely does anything.
Shaucker

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« Reply #98 on: 07-14-2004 10:53 »

Super Cheeky, welcome to PEEL, and please, do double or triple posting, use the edit button, and no spamming here. Here's some reading material:  http://www.peelified.com/ubb/faq.html
wu_konguk

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« Reply #99 on: 07-14-2004 11:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2004 11:54 »

You know I never understood why people like Mickey Mouse. I never found any of those cartoons funny or even entertaining. Now Donald Duck I liked.

Now i know Disney has added alot too the world of animation but it is very limiting. I mean does every story have to have a happy ending? Also the problem with most modern Disney is that they don't want to risk too much.

I mean if we are talking about animation that has changed the face of animation for years I would say Tetsuwan Atom (aka Astro boy). No matter if you hate or love anime you have to admit it has had a major affect on modern animation. Tetsuwan Aton was one of the first (along with Kimba the white Lion, in fact I believe this company was going to sue Disney for ripping off the character). Hell let's face it even series like Speed racer have affected modern animation (even if it is just for jokes on bad dubbing).

Remember people on there own are not that stupid. Get alot of them together and they can be bloody morons.
Shaucker

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« Reply #100 on: 07-15-2004 10:29 »

I hate all of Disney's tv stuff and short cartoons...but the movies are incredible. Watch Fantasia '41 and tell me that there is not love in the drawings. It's all hand done. All the cell works and backrounds; the different looks and styles; how WELL it fits the music, but rhythmically and stylistically.

And for TLK ripping off Kimba? I've seen both, and I say the art and story and music of TLK far supasses that of Kimba the White Lion. I don't really like any of the earlier anime work, just the Miyazaki stuff, where the storyline and animation are both incredible- nothing as shoddy as Astroboy.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #101 on: 07-17-2004 18:53 »

I found an interesting article on the Lion King controversy at http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #102 on: 07-21-2004 19:48 »
« Last Edit on: 07-22-2004 00:00 by Tweek »

To Shaucker: About SpongeBob ripping off Ren and Stimpy:

from Click the Link

Spumco graduates are now also scattered throughout the cartoon business, trained by Kricfalusi and adhering to his philosophy. "I trained probably half of the modern animation people in Hollywood. They're all over the place - Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Warner Bros. Every show after 1990 has been heavily influenced by Ren & Stimpy."
Kryten

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« Reply #103 on: 07-22-2004 00:14 »

John K has to have the highest ego-to-actual-talent ratio in Hollywood.
evan

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« Reply #104 on: 07-22-2004 02:08 »
« Last Edit on: 07-22-2004 02:08 »

He had "Ren and Stimpy," which only had a run for a few years, if I'm correct.  IMDB lists its run from 1991 to 1994, but John Kruscalufski left in 1993.  Since then, what exactly has he actually done?  "The Ripping Friends?"

/edit-  the original Ren and Stimpy lasted for four years, which I was surprised by, because whenever I watched it, it was only the same like five episodes shown.
Mr Fuzzywuvems

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« Reply #105 on: 07-22-2004 10:57 »

He also did some brilliant web cartoons called "Weekend Pussy Hunt" and "The Goddamn Goerge Liquor Program" as well as a Yogi Bear and a Jetsons cartoon for Cartoon Network.
Shaucker

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« Reply #106 on: 07-22-2004 13:08 »

God, those modern Yogi things were funny as hell. The Ripping Friends sucked. The least said about that show, the better
Mr Fuzzywuvems

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« Reply #107 on: 07-22-2004 13:12 »

I actually liked the Ripping Friends. It was a little flawed but it was really entertaining and the animation was incredible.
Capīn Skusting

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« Reply #108 on: 07-22-2004 13:12 »
« Last Edit on: 07-22-2004 13:12 »

Bobby Hill never came to one of my Halloween parties.
Bender and Leela did.
Betty Boop certainly deserves to be on the list.
The Fleischer Brothers Betty Boop cartoons were the music videos of their day.
(The Fleischers must also be credited with the invention of rotoscoping, the "follow the bouncing ball" concept, and the Four Picture Photo Booth)
Did I see somebody actually say Bugs Bunny was a Homer Simpson rip off? Do I need glasses?
Am I going insane?
Tie those two characters for first, please if you don't mind.
Crusader Rabbit and Pixie and Dixie are missing from the list.
Where's Gigantor?
The list does seem pretty random, and likely made from memory and without any kind of research.
Wonder Woman? Batman? Superman?
Only if you count The Fleischer's Suprman work, and Timm and Dini's Bats & Supes animated series work.
Wonder Woman was never more than an extra on Super Friends.
So wher's Super Friends?
Oh, the catagory is CHARACTER.
And if you're going to include Gumby, Where's Davy and Goliath or Rudolph?
What? No Spiderman? (I guess they're right. Who's Spiderman anyways?)
No Jetsons? No Huckleberry Hound?
I have to disagree with Kryten. If they had used the selection procedure methods he suggests, there probably would have been a more accurate set of results. Must have been something else.
I haven't bought an issue of TV Guide in a couple years.
To quote Bugs Bunny:
"I cannot fight no more against such genius."
To quote Homer Simpson:
"Oh, Marge, cartoons don't have any deep meaning. They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh.:

John Pannozzi

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« Reply #109 on: 08-05-2004 19:43 »

All you Mickey Mouse haters will see the light, come 2005 when Kingdom Hearts 2 is released and Mickey kicks some ass.

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« Reply #110 on: 08-05-2004 19:50 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2004 19:50 »

Triple geek points for having anime and Disney characters in the same pic and having it as background on a Windows CE device!   laff   tongue
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #111 on: 08-11-2004 13:59 »

from http://us.imdb.com/board/bd0000049/flat/10101805?d=10805158#10805158


I'd read French interview with Hayao Miyazaki,
In this interview,he said he doesn't like Disney animations even of their palmy days and some scenes of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" were too much for him.

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Then how come he gives them American distribution rights to his films?
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yeah,quite ironic.
it seems there is a one sympathetic person(i don't remember what his name was)Miyazaki can trust in Disney company.

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Miyazaki-san is friends with John L
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yes,because he is so nice to Miyazaki(how can HM hates such persons?),but belive me,Miyazaki does not think much of Lasseter's works.


P.S.: Without Mickey there'd be no Binky, Bongo, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, Homer, Marge, Fry, Leela, Amy or Bender.
newhook_1

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« Reply #112 on: 08-11-2004 22:10 »

What logic are you using to come to that conclusion?
Cyberman

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« Reply #113 on: 08-11-2004 22:14 »

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Without Bart, Lisa, Maggie, or Homer, there'd be no Fry Leela, Amy or Bender. I might if it weren't for the Simpsons, we wouldn't have Futurama.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #114 on: 08-12-2004 12:46 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
What logic are you using to come to that conclusion?

Matt Groening wanted his characters to be identifiable in shilloute (sic) like Mickey and Bugs.
newhook_1

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« Reply #115 on: 08-12-2004 12:59 »

I still don't see how that means if Mickey hadn't come about, the Simpsons wouldn't have been invented. All the great cartoon characters are identifiable in silloute form. Popeye, Felix the Cat, Fred Flintstone, etc. Even you yourself said Mickey and Bugs shared this trait. I don't see how that would support your argument, seeing as how Mickey wasn't the only popular cartoon character identifiable by his silloute before Matt started doing it.

I don't think that anyone here is trying to take away from Mickey's acomplishments, we're all just saying that his personality is uber-lame.
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #116 on: 08-31-2004 15:37 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2004 15:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Shaucker:
Arg, don't get Micky into Fantasia...that doesn't count.

Yes, it does, because it was originally going to be a regular short, but the rights to the music were so expensive that made a feature around it.

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
I still don't see how that means if Mickey hadn't come about, the Simpsons wouldn't have been invented. All the great cartoon characters are identifiable in silloute form. Popeye, Felix the Cat, Fred Flintstone, etc.

My point is that Mickey was one of the very characters identifiable in silloute.

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
I don't think that anyone here is trying to take away from Mickey's acomplishments, we're all just saying that his personality is uber-lame.

How is his personality lamer than that of oh, say, Leela or Fry. Mickey represents the little guy making it. The world needs people like him.
newhook_1

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« Reply #117 on: 08-31-2004 22:30 »
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John, read this very carefully. Micky was not the first character who was identifiable by his silloute, he wasn't even close to being the first. I'm not saying he can't be identified by his silloute, I'm saying he wasn't the first. Walt Disney did not come up with that concept, and therefore your argument retains no water.

His personality is lame because it has no dynamics to it. You always know what Mickey Mouse is going to do in any given situation, there's no inner conflict. That might not be a problem if he had some dominate personality trait to seperate him from every other character, (like say Popeye or Scrooge McDuck), but he doesn't. It was the writing, not Mickey himself, that made the cartoons great. 

We knew Popeye would always eat spinach in every cartoon, but the fact that no other character did that seperated him from those other characters. Mickey Mouse is just a michivous nice guy, characters like that came a dime a dozen in the early days of animation. 
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #118 on: 09-07-2004 15:35 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2004 15:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Shaucker:
I hate all of Disney's tv stuff and short cartoons...

Even Gargoyles and "The Old Mill"?

 
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Originally posted by Shaucker:
but the movies are incredible.

Self-contradictory.

 
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Originally posted by Shaucker:
nothing as shoddy as Astroboy.

At least Astro Boy was made with more {SpongeBob] Love [/SpongeBob] than the soulless "classic" Hanna-Barbera shows of the same era.

 
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Originally posted by bart182:
 this is the worst character ever made.  annoying and sicking.  wtf is wrong with them? why is it on the top 10000000000 list?  invader zim is 1000000000 times better than that freak of a character called Spongebob Squarepants.

How can you hate SpongeBob when Tom "Yancy" Kenny does the voice. Why are you comparing SpongeBob and Zim when no one has mentioned Zim previously in this thread. You didn't even use capitals. How in the Sam Hill did you become a mod?


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