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Shaucker
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Originally posted by Mr Fuzzywuvems: Why shouldn't Spongebob use techniques invented by Ren and Stimpy? I mean what's the point of inventing a whole new techinique if you're the only show that can use it? I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying that they shouldn't be on the list because they aren't innovative. Besides a lot of what was seen as new about Ren and Stimpy was heavily influenced by Bob Clampett cartoons of the 1940's. Yeah, I know. And they completely brought it back for the first time in almost fifty years.
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Shaucker
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Thank you! Someone else who realizes that cartoons don't have to be animated!
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Shaucker
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THAT's why I hate Micky. Not only is he too nice a guy, but his voice is so grating. To be politically incorrect, he's a gay-ass faggot who sold out.
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newhook_1
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi: You sound like the only exposure to Mickey you have are the late 20's cartoons where was Mickey was more mischevious and polliciatlly incorrect. Mickey is actually a real nice guy, see an early 30's cartoon where he sells Pluto to buy christmas presents for children from a broken family. I have seen House of Mouse, and it's one of the worst offenders. He had gotten lame and too nice before, but now he's just your standard, trying to be cool, catch phrase weilding(Ah-cha-cha), 1-d personality children's cartoon character. I want the mischevious Mickey back, like in Fantaisa where he messes with magic and gets in trouble. I know it might be sound redundant, but when they bring back old characters and try to update them, it fails horribly 90% of the time. They should have brought Mickey back in his more classic form from the 1920s-1940s. They did it perfectly with Scrooge Mcduck in 1989-1991. OK, well he was in comic books eariler on rather than cartoons before he got a new series, but the point still stands. They gave the same character some new adventures. What's the point of reviving a charcter only to change them completly (like they did with Mickey)?
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Shaucker
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Arg, don't get Micky into Fantasia...that doesn't count. It was great and all, but I was really upset when it was put into the already-short Fantasia 2000...the Donald one was so BRILLIANT it was hardly necessary. They could have done a different piece.
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Super CheekyBab
Crustacean
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I dont even know who half of those are!!! WHERE THE F**K IS FUTURAMA?!!AND DRANGONBALL Z?!! AND FAMILY GUY?!oh wait family guy is on well at lest one of the shows i watch is on there!but still im REALLY PI**ED about no Futurama or Dragonball Z!
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Super CheekyBab
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I dont even know who half of those are!!! WHEREIS FUTURAMA?!!AND DRANGONBALL Z?!! AND FAMILY GUY?!oh wait family guy is on well at lest one of the shows i watch is on there!but still im REALLY OUTRAGED about no Futurama or Dragonball Z!
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Super CheekyBab
Crustacean
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sorry people it said that i hadnt sent my message so i sent it again!but still my point is clear! heeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
i also like Bart John Pannozzi
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Shaucker
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I hate all of Disney's tv stuff and short cartoons...but the movies are incredible. Watch Fantasia '41 and tell me that there is not love in the drawings. It's all hand done. All the cell works and backrounds; the different looks and styles; how WELL it fits the music, but rhythmically and stylistically.
And for TLK ripping off Kimba? I've seen both, and I say the art and story and music of TLK far supasses that of Kimba the White Lion. I don't really like any of the earlier anime work, just the Miyazaki stuff, where the storyline and animation are both incredible- nothing as shoddy as Astroboy.
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Shaucker
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God, those modern Yogi things were funny as hell. The Ripping Friends sucked. The least said about that show, the better
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Capīn Skusting
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #108 on: 07-22-2004 13:12 »
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Bobby Hill never came to one of my Halloween parties. Bender and Leela did. Betty Boop certainly deserves to be on the list. The Fleischer Brothers Betty Boop cartoons were the music videos of their day. (The Fleischers must also be credited with the invention of rotoscoping, the "follow the bouncing ball" concept, and the Four Picture Photo Booth) Did I see somebody actually say Bugs Bunny was a Homer Simpson rip off? Do I need glasses? Am I going insane? Tie those two characters for first, please if you don't mind. Crusader Rabbit and Pixie and Dixie are missing from the list. Where's Gigantor? The list does seem pretty random, and likely made from memory and without any kind of research. Wonder Woman? Batman? Superman? Only if you count The Fleischer's Suprman work, and Timm and Dini's Bats & Supes animated series work. Wonder Woman was never more than an extra on Super Friends. So wher's Super Friends? Oh, the catagory is CHARACTER. And if you're going to include Gumby, Where's Davy and Goliath or Rudolph? What? No Spiderman? (I guess they're right. Who's Spiderman anyways?) No Jetsons? No Huckleberry Hound? I have to disagree with Kryten. If they had used the selection procedure methods he suggests, there probably would have been a more accurate set of results. Must have been something else. I haven't bought an issue of TV Guide in a couple years. To quote Bugs Bunny: "I cannot fight no more against such genius." To quote Homer Simpson: "Oh, Marge, cartoons don't have any deep meaning. They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh.:
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John Pannozzi
Starship Captain
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from http://us.imdb.com/board/bd0000049/flat/10101805?d=10805158#10805158 I'd read French interview with Hayao Miyazaki, In this interview,he said he doesn't like Disney animations even of their palmy days and some scenes of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" were too much for him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then how come he gives them American distribution rights to his films? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yeah,quite ironic. it seems there is a one sympathetic person(i don't remember what his name was)Miyazaki can trust in Disney company. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miyazaki-san is friends with John L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes,because he is so nice to Miyazaki(how can HM hates such persons?),but belive me,Miyazaki does not think much of Lasseter's works. P.S.: Without Mickey there'd be no Binky, Bongo, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, Homer, Marge, Fry, Leela, Amy or Bender.
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John Pannozzi
Starship Captain
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« Reply #116 on: 08-31-2004 15:37 »
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Originally posted by Shaucker: Arg, don't get Micky into Fantasia...that doesn't count.
Yes, it does, because it was originally going to be a regular short, but the rights to the music were so expensive that made a feature around it. Originally posted by newhook_1: I still don't see how that means if Mickey hadn't come about, the Simpsons wouldn't have been invented. All the great cartoon characters are identifiable in silloute form. Popeye, Felix the Cat, Fred Flintstone, etc. My point is that Mickey was one of the very characters identifiable in silloute. Originally posted by newhook_1: I don't think that anyone here is trying to take away from Mickey's acomplishments, we're all just saying that his personality is uber-lame. How is his personality lamer than that of oh, say, Leela or Fry. Mickey represents the little guy making it. The world needs people like him.
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newhook_1
Urban Legend
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« Reply #117 on: 08-31-2004 22:30 »
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John, read this very carefully. Micky was not the first character who was identifiable by his silloute, he wasn't even close to being the first. I'm not saying he can't be identified by his silloute, I'm saying he wasn't the first. Walt Disney did not come up with that concept, and therefore your argument retains no water.
His personality is lame because it has no dynamics to it. You always know what Mickey Mouse is going to do in any given situation, there's no inner conflict. That might not be a problem if he had some dominate personality trait to seperate him from every other character, (like say Popeye or Scrooge McDuck), but he doesn't. It was the writing, not Mickey himself, that made the cartoons great.
We knew Popeye would always eat spinach in every cartoon, but the fact that no other character did that seperated him from those other characters. Mickey Mouse is just a michivous nice guy, characters like that came a dime a dozen in the early days of animation.
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John Pannozzi
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« Reply #118 on: 09-07-2004 15:35 »
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Originally posted by Shaucker: I hate all of Disney's tv stuff and short cartoons... Even Gargoyles and "The Old Mill"? Originally posted by Shaucker: but the movies are incredible. Self-contradictory. Originally posted by Shaucker: nothing as shoddy as Astroboy. At least Astro Boy was made with more {SpongeBob] Love [/SpongeBob] than the soulless "classic" Hanna-Barbera shows of the same era. Originally posted by bart182: this is the worst character ever made. annoying and sicking. wtf is wrong with them? why is it on the top 10000000000 list? invader zim is 1000000000 times better than that freak of a character called Spongebob Squarepants. How can you hate SpongeBob when Tom "Yancy" Kenny does the voice. Why are you comparing SpongeBob and Zim when no one has mentioned Zim previously in this thread. You didn't even use capitals. How in the Sam Hill did you become a mod?
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