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cyber_turnip

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« Reply #40 on: 01-25-2012 17:22 »

'Star Wars' 1-3 and 'Indiana Jones' 4 aren't even close to being that bad. They're poor films that you clearly hate more because they should have been so much better and they brought their franchises down.

And 'Avatar' is a solid action film. It's nothing particularly special but there's also not much particularly wrong with it. It's just not a life-changing "greatest film of all time" type deal like some people seem to think.
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« Reply #41 on: 01-25-2012 17:29 »

Your list merely contains bad films.  I don't care about bad films.  So it's bad, whatever.  I probably did not think of it the next day.  But those five films are on a whole different level of badness.  They are suprabad.  A much worse kind.  Because their badness sticks with you.  And whenever you watch the other films in the series, you feel cheated.  You feel the whole thing is ruined now.

And only after years of therapy can you move on.  And watch those original films again without fail.  Unless, of course, Transformer: The Movie kept you up at night (and not for the good reasons).
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« Reply #42 on: 01-25-2012 20:30 »

Could be next film in the Cornetto Trilogy? love

That movie and its name has been known for years... no no
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« Reply #43 on: 01-25-2012 20:58 »

Iron Sky has finally been finished!
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« Reply #44 on: 01-25-2012 21:29 »

Could be next film in the Cornetto Trilogy? love

That movie and its name has been known for years... no no

Pretty much since 'Hot Fuzz' came out.

But the picture is still good because it means they've actually started the writing process, finally. Pegg said they'd start before 'Star Trek XII' came out, but this is actually confirmation. Yay!

Your list merely contains bad films.
I make no claims otherwise.
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« Reply #45 on: 01-25-2012 22:40 »

Iron Sky has finally been finished!

That looks surprisingly unimpressive, all things considered.
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« Reply #46 on: 01-25-2012 22:44 »

It looks bad...

I'm probably thinking this cause I'm a jew...
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« Reply #47 on: 01-25-2012 22:56 »

That's exactly why.
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« Reply #48 on: 01-26-2012 01:43 »
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Yes, because all Jews hate anything that satirizes Nazis...
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« Reply #49 on: 01-26-2012 01:48 »


I assume, then, you have not seen Star Wars Episode I, Episode II, Episode III, Indiana Jones 4 and Avatar.  As those five at least should have topped your list.

Exactly what I was thinking. Indiana Jones 4 is the biggest pile of shit in the universe, and the only time where I wished I could forget about a movie.  cry

Star Wars III isn't too bad though, and Avatar is far from terrible.
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« Reply #50 on: 01-26-2012 01:50 »

Yes, because all Jews hate anything that satirizes Nazis...
I don't mind jew jokes, though. I find most of them kinda funny. Don't get me wrong, I can take a joke. But that movie takes it to a whole new level...no no
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« Reply #51 on: 01-26-2012 01:55 »

Those scenes are from multiple movies. Some of them by Mel Brooks, who is hilarious.
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« Reply #52 on: 01-26-2012 02:11 »

And Jewish.  I'm assuming one is Springtime for Hitler?
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #53 on: 01-26-2012 02:16 »

'The Producers' is an incredible film.

And an incredible stage show.

But not an incredible film of a stage-show, sadly.
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« Reply #54 on: 01-26-2012 21:59 »

Die Hard Remake
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« Reply #55 on: 01-27-2012 02:40 »

Holy shit

I hope that's what it seems to be and not some tie in with a product or webisodes or something shit. A fan-fiction sequel script was making the rounds around Hollywood somewhat recently because it was meant to be surprisingly great so I'm hoping it's that... but I'd be really quite impressed if they'd managed to begin production on a sequel with nobody knowing until they chose to release a teaser trailer.
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« Reply #56 on: 01-27-2012 03:42 »

There are no words. wtf?
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« Reply #57 on: 01-27-2012 17:42 »

Why's everyone going on about Honda in the comments?
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« Reply #58 on: 01-27-2012 17:53 »

Because, according to this, "unnamed sources" have told this blog that I've never heard of that it's going to be a Super Bowl ad for Honda.

Please note that it's "unnamed sources" saying this. And that they "hear" that there'll be CR-Vs. And that the source "hinted" at it.

To say the least, I'm suspicious of this report.
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« Reply #59 on: 01-27-2012 21:56 »

It's very weird for me to connect current Matthew Broderick with Ferris Bueller. I can't see what harm they can do with a commercial though so I'm sure it won't be too bad.


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ck.
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« Reply #60 on: 01-28-2012 01:08 »


You know it was a joke, right? One from over 2 years ago, in fact.
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« Reply #61 on: 01-29-2012 01:14 »

Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooke.
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« Reply #62 on: 01-30-2012 20:04 »

Oh well... hmpf
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« Reply #63 on: 01-30-2012 20:54 »

Honda is a filthy tease! mad
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« Reply #64 on: 01-30-2012 23:14 »

Meh. You know what I kept thinking about while watching that was the fact that Matthew Broderick was in a car accident a few years ago that killed some people. It was mentioned once on the news then swept under the rug. And now he's in a car commercial. It's poetic. But not really.
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« Reply #65 on: 01-31-2012 20:47 »

You know, it's actually quite astonishing that advertising executives took the decision to associate their cars with someone who killed people in a car crash due to dangerous driving. I hadn't thought of it, but you're right. It's a really, really bad move on their part.

Although maybe it isn't. I watched the advert and I wouldn't have normally bothered doing so. And that's true of a lot of my friends on Facebook, too.
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« Reply #66 on: 02-04-2012 00:51 »

Well he ended up marrying a transvestite donkey witch, so maybe there is a sliver of justice in this world.
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« Reply #67 on: 02-04-2012 01:28 »

After finally reading The Hobbit, I'm now super excited for the movie!  big grin December needs to hurry up already.
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« Reply #68 on: 02-04-2012 03:21 »

I loved The Hobbit as a child but I'm fairly sure I'm going to think this new film is a load of utterly overblown nonsense just as The Lord of the Rings trilogy was.

Flame away.
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« Reply #69 on: 02-04-2012 09:18 »

Overblown nonsense?

Please, explain.
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« Reply #70 on: 02-04-2012 09:50 »

I have to kind of agree on both ends.  I think The Hobbit will be rather overblown; I think the animated movie already captured a good part of the essence present in that book.

However, I do think that The Lord of the Rings trilogy was in general, a rather excellent adaptation of the books.  I also believe there was an incredible amount of effort on the creators of those films to be as faithful to the books as utterly possible.
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« Reply #71 on: 02-04-2012 15:50 »
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I really wasn't a fan of the films or the books if I am honest.   I will agree that they were very good adaptions though, which is extremely rare for a highly big budget adaptation of a book. I don't hate the films, I just think of them as the type of film where i can unplug my brain and enjoy like a chocolate bar or a fireworks display.  Or I can plug it back in if I want to turn everything the Hobbits say into gay innuendo.   Which is...often.
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« Reply #72 on: 02-04-2012 21:17 »

The Lord of the Rings books are a massively influential series, still defining what we know as the fantasy genre now, 60 years after their release. I think Peter Jackson's treatment of them was entirely suitable, not "overblown". What does "overblown" even mean here? That it was too high budget? That it takes itself too seriously? That the movies were too long? We're not talking about A fantasy. We're talking about THE fantasy, something that has spanned generations and fascinated millions.
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« Reply #73 on: 02-04-2012 22:01 »

I can appreciate the many contributions he made to fantasy, hell he pretty much defined fantasy for the 20th century, but at the same time the books themselves left me severely underwhelmed.  I think the films are a tremendous spectacle, but I wouldn't think of them as anymore then that.

That's just my personal opinion on them, though.
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« Reply #74 on: 02-05-2012 00:26 »
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I'd say the books are overblown, too - not just the films. The films do an excellent job of adapting them as far as I can tell, but the story is just such bloated drivel. At the risk of offending people who'll take this personally for some reason, it's the most ridiculous, overly elaborate and complex set-up for endless sequences of people walking I could possibly think of.
You could make the entire trilogy into one, nicely condensed 1 1/2 hour movie if you cut out all of the pointless episodic encounters with bad guys. Have the exposition-heavy intro, have them leave on their quest, they get chased and fight things for 40 minutes instead of 8 hours and then they throw the ring in the fire, end of film.
And two of the films don't have anything resembling an ending. A story without an ending is not a story, it's a waste of time. I don't care if they intended to make sequels, films should stand alone.
And even in spite of that, they're bad film because the overall plot is such a boring concept. Why can these rings rule the entire fucking world? If Sauron made the ring in the first place, my guess is that he used his own magical energy to forge it. Why put your own lifeblood into a ring when it flows through you? Why not just take over the world with your own magical abilities? Dickhead.
Oh, wait no, he made the ring to control all those good rings that were floating about. Where the fuck did those come from? Who made those? Why did they put their good magic into a fucking ring?
Remember in the book of The Hobbit when the ring was just a nice plot device that turned Bilbo invisible instead of being all this fucking bollocks about consuming his soul? I doubt it's going to be that easy in the new film, though.
I'm sure there are answers to all of my questions, but if anything, that proves my point. Those answers will be even more ridiculously convoluted.
And I don't care if it's influential. Star Wars is probably the most influential sci-fi series out there. Does that make it the best bit of sci-fi ever? Fuck no. Hitler was influential. Justin Bieber is influential. And excluding parodies such as Bender's Game, I can't think of anything I like off the top of my head that has taken a great deal of influence from The Lord of the Rings. Perhaps The Legend of Zelda games to a degree...
Still, fuck Lord of the Rings. Simple as that. I hate it.

Nothing personal against fans of the franchise. I just hate it. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think I like any high-fantasy films unless you'd consider Pan's Labyrinth to be high-fantasy.
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« Reply #75 on: 02-05-2012 00:36 »

They couldn't possibly have made it into a 1 1/2 hour movie without severely watering down the story. The reason the films are a success is because they follow the books so closely.

I understand your complaint about only one of them having a proper ending. However, it was always intended to be a trilogy. It fact, I wouldn't even call it that. As far as I'm concerned, LOTR is one really, really long movie, much like the book. It would have been impossible to make it a single 8 hour film.

And the first two films were probably ended at the best spot they could if you ask me.
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« Reply #76 on: 02-05-2012 02:42 »

So.  What you're saying cyber_turnip isn't that the LotR movies are overblown compared with the books.  What you're really saying is, you don't like LotR.  Right?

That's completely fair, everyone has their own opinions.

I enjoyed LotR, the books, and also enjoyed the films as adaptations of the books.

I also enjoyed the Hobbit, but I think that they'll make the film adaptation overblown; for starters, they think it's better to turn it into two movies instead of one.

Your complaints about Lord of the Rings though, could easily be applied to The Hobbit though.  They're both adventure stories set in a time where people fucking walked everywhere.  LotR is a bit darker and more serious with its subject matter though, so I can kind of see how you would make a distinction between the two and prefer one over the other.

You probably didn't enjoy reading The Epic Cycle either.... oh well.
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« Reply #77 on: 02-05-2012 04:08 »

Well I agree with cyber_turnip.  Tolkein had many talents but one of them was not character creation.  I personally felt most of his characters were extremely flat.  For the most part, it felt like the good guys were one hive mind, and the bad guys were another.  There really wasn't much in the way of individual character development, or memorable quotes. 

I just felt his characters were fairly bland and were just lacking in vitality.  Sure there area  few exceptions like Gollum, but not enough to really make me care about Middle Earth as a whole.
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« Reply #78 on: 02-05-2012 04:28 »

For the most part, it felt like the good guys were one hive mind, and the bad guys were another.  

I can't say I agree with this. Many of Tolkien's characters have a kind of moral ambiguity; such as Boromir.
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« Reply #79 on: 02-05-2012 09:24 »
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I'd say the books are overblown, too - not just the films. The films do an excellent job of adapting them as far as I can tell, but the story is just such bloated drivel. At the risk of offending people who'll take this personally for some reason, it's the most ridiculous, overly elaborate and complex set-up for endless sequences of people walking I could possibly think of.
You could make the entire trilogy into one, nicely condensed 1 1/2 hour movie if you cut out all of the pointless episodic encounters with bad guys. Have the exposition-heavy intro, have them leave on their quest, they get chased and fight things for 40 minutes instead of 8 hours and then they throw the ring in the fire, end of film.
And two of the films don't have anything resembling an ending. A story without an ending is not a story, it's a waste of time. I don't care if they intended to make sequels, films should stand alone.
And even in spite of that, they're bad film because the overall plot is such a boring concept. Why can these rings rule the entire fucking world? If Sauron made the ring in the first place, my guess is that he used his own magical energy to forge it. Why put your own lifeblood into a ring when it flows through you? Why not just take over the world with your own magical abilities? Dickhead.
Oh, wait no, he made the ring to control all those good rings that were floating about. Where the fuck did those come from? Who made those? Why did they put their good magic into a fucking ring?
Remember in the book of The Hobbit when the ring was just a nice plot device that turned Bilbo invisible instead of being all this fucking bollocks about consuming his soul? I doubt it's going to be that easy in the new film, though.
I'm sure there are answers to all of my questions, but if anything, that proves my point. Those answers will be even more ridiculously convoluted.
And I don't care if it's influential. Star Wars is probably the most influential sci-fi series out there. Does that make it the best bit of sci-fi ever? Fuck no. Hitler was influential. Justin Bieber is influential. And excluding parodies such as Bender's Game, I can't think of anything I like off the top of my head that has taken a great deal of influence from The Lord of the Rings. Perhaps The Legend of Zelda games to a degree...
Still, fuck Lord of the Rings. Simple as that. I hate it.

1 - Why do people keep using the word "overblown" without defining what they mean by it? Thefreedictionary.com says it means:
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a.  Done to excess; overdone: overblown decorations.
b. Full of empty or pretentious language; bombastic: overblown oratory.
2. Past the stage of full bloom: overblown roses.
3. Very fat; obese.
4. Having been blown down or over: a pile of overblown saplings.

Done to excess? Pretentious? A flower past its prime? Fat? Blown over by strong wind? Tell us what you mean.

2 - To cut it down to 40 minutes of travel and adventure does a massive disservice to the epic quality of the story. It's a story about a world-spanning adventure through fantastical settings, not a quick jaunt. And the millions of fans (basically the core audience the movie makers needed to attract) who know the books would have hated the shit out of it if it was butchered like you suggest.

3 - The films don't all have endings? So what? It's one massive tale, not three unrelated episodes. The books tell one huge story, and the movies do too. And films "should stand alone"? I think that's bullplop. You don't read one book of a trilogy and criticize it because it is intrinsically tied in to the other books, unless you are a stupid person. And the movies are carefully made to mirror the books, so complaining that they are like the books is... not sensible.

4 - Why are the rings important? Because they are tools. If I spend a few hours crafting a screwdriver, it will become a useful tool that is better at driving screws than I am with nothing but my body, and will effectively execute the work for which it is designed. If I spend time and money to create a bicycle, I intend that it will enable me to move around more efficiently than I could on my own. If I create a magic ring, it is because I think the energy I invest will be outweighed by the benefits. If I invest my time and money in a business, it is because I anticipate the business will succeed and my investment will accomplish my goals. Your argument is fail.

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Star Wars is probably the most influential sci-fi series out there. Does that make it the best bit of sci-fi ever? Fuck no. Hitler was influential. Justin Bieber is influential. And excluding parodies such as Bender's Game, I can't think of anything I like off the top of my head that has taken a great deal of influence from The Lord of the Rings. Perhaps The Legend of Zelda games to a degree...
Still, fuck Lord of the Rings. Simple as that. I hate it.

Star wars is extremely popular. This is not the same as influential. Tolkein literally shaped the entire world of fantasy. Star Wars is not even close to that level of influence, though it has gained great fame. Hitler was a person who killed millions of innocents and made a bid to take over much of the world. Tolkein wrote a few books, which have inspired and entertained millions of readers. Congratulations on proving Godwin's Law correct while being wrong. Justin Beiber? Nobody will give an at's rass about him in 60 years. Your comparison of him to Tolkein illustrates how little you know what you're talking about. Even if Beiber maintains stardom his whole life, he's not done anything like LoTR in terms of shaping an entire literary genre. He's a pop star.

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Nothing personal against fans of the franchise. I just hate it. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think I like any high-fantasy films unless you'd consider Pan's Labyrinth to be high-fantasy.

And that's what all of this boils down to: you don't like it. So what? Lots of people do like it. Accept that it's not your cup of tea and quit acting like your personal gut-level dislike means it's bad.
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