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AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #560 on: 10-18-2013 03:06 »

To be honest, the only really bad Simpsons episode I can think of at the top of my head for Seasons 1-9 is All Singing, All Dancing. Season 10 had a few below-par ones when I watched it again last week, but Season 11 seems to be where the shit ones really start showing up for the series, which I believe was roughly the time Futurama starting airing?
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« Reply #561 on: 10-18-2013 03:07 »

My God, I hated All Singing, All Dancing. That was definitely my least favorite classic era episode.

And to be honest, I probably haven't seen half the Jean era episodes, nor do I plan on doing so.
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« Reply #562 on: 10-18-2013 03:07 »

Do clip shows even count, though? The only one that's really worth watching is The 138th Episode Spectacular.

I'm not sure if this is my least favorite, but it's definitely not far from holding that title: Homer Simpson in Kidney Trouble.

It's definitely not great, though it wins points for the cowboy digging a hole for some reason during the gun fight. I lost my shit when they pointed that out on the commentary. laff
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« Reply #563 on: 10-18-2013 03:10 »

There were a few parts of that episode that I enjoyed. I liked the first act, but after that, I lost interest. Also, I've changed my mind about that being in my Top 10 Least Favorite Episodes list after remembering the shit that we've gotten in later seasons.
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« Reply #564 on: 10-18-2013 03:17 »

There were a few parts of that episode that I enjoyed. I liked the first act, but after that, I lost interest. Also, I've changed my mind about that being in my Top 10 Least Favorite Episodes list after remembering the shit that we've gotten in later seasons.

Yeah, I've missed loads of episodes past Season 12, as I have only bothered to buy up to Season 12 on DVD so far. I can find out which modern ones are half decent easily though. Oh, just thought of another god awful modern Simpsons episode: That 90s Show.
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« Reply #565 on: 10-18-2013 03:25 »

You realise That 90's Show is generally held in pretty high regard amongst most fans and critics, right?
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« Reply #566 on: 10-18-2013 06:51 »

It is? I thought most fans/critics hated That 90s Show for all it's retconning.
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« Reply #567 on: 10-18-2013 07:00 »

I'm sure some of the more hardcore fans hated it for that reason, but it received more critical acclaim than most of the rest of season 19.
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« Reply #568 on: 10-18-2013 12:17 »

For me, the worst episode is a toss up between "E. Pluribus Wiggum", "Treehouse of Horror XIX" and "The Italian Bob".
And that's including clip-shows. Say what you will about clip shows, at least they contain clips from the point when the show was still good.


I'm not sure if this is my least favorite, but it's definitely not far from holding that title: Homer Simpson in Kidney Trouble.

Did you stop watching the show 10 years ago or something? "Homer Simpson in 'Kidney Trouble'" was pretty bad by the show's standards, way back in season 10, but Christ, have you seen seasons 13-25?

To be honest, the only really bad Simpsons episode I can think of at the top of my head for Seasons 1-9 is All Singing, All Dancing. Season 10 had a few below-par ones when I watched it again last week, but Season 11 seems to be where the shit ones really start showing up for the series, which I believe was roughly the time Futurama starting airing?

"All Singing, All Dancing" is worlds better than "Another Simpsons Clip Show". "Another Simpsons Clip Show" is just horrible. Excluding clip shows, I'd say that "Dancin' Homer" is the clear stinker of the first 10 seasons.

You realise That 90's Show is generally held in pretty high regard amongst most fans and critics, right?

I remember it being scorned pretty heavily when it was aired. Maybe people have warmed to it over time. Once you get over the stupid retconning, it's one of the better new episodes (although it does suck balls).
stum

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« Reply #569 on: 10-18-2013 13:08 »

You realise That 90's Show is generally held in pretty high regard amongst most fans and critics, right?

So, wait, he's not allowed to hate it just because most people like it?
stum

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« Reply #570 on: 10-18-2013 13:11 »

Also, the fact that LMP said he hated Husbands and Knives, which is from 2007, proves that he has seen episodes in the past 10 years.
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« Reply #571 on: 10-18-2013 13:16 »

I'm not sure if this is my least favorite, but it's definitely not far from holding that title: Homer Simpson in Kidney Trouble.

Did you stop watching the show 10 years ago or something? "Homer Simpson in 'Kidney Trouble'" was pretty bad by the show's standards, way back in season 10, but Christ, have you seen seasons 13-25?

Yes, which is why I later made this post:

There were a few parts of that episode that I enjoyed. I liked the first act, but after that, I lost interest. Also, I've changed my mind about that being in my Top 10 Least Favorite Episodes list after remembering the shit that we've gotten in later seasons.

I wasn't really thinking about the later seasons when I said that "Trouble" was one of my least favorites. It's certainly one of my least favorite episodes from the 90's, though.
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« Reply #572 on: 10-18-2013 13:36 »

That's fair enough. I agree that it's one of the weaker entries from the first 10 seasons.
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« Reply #573 on: 10-18-2013 14:26 »

Worst episode ever? Christ, well for me there are many candidates!

Saddlesore Galactica I agree was horrible, but as mentioned, later episodes were even worse.

I remember hating Simpson Safari - but again, later episodes even worse.

The lastest gun in the west (I think that's what it was called) was my least favourite at the time of release. Bloody horrible episode.

That one where ralph becomes mayor or something - absolutely stupid episode.

That one where the old people's eyes fall out.... I remember it not being too bad until their eyes fell out, then the episode died on it's arse.

I saw one on TV a few months ago about Moe's bar cloth - this is a strong contender for the worst ever.

I absolutely hate the Jerusalem tour episode, mainly due to sasha baron cohen's awful guest appearence. In fact, this one may be my least favourite ever.

That 90's show held in high regard? Well I haven't a clue why, because it was another god damn awful episode.

The robot wars one was terrible.

Funeral For A Fiend had potential, as it was a sideshow bob episode, but it was so poorly done. Although not the worst episode ever, this is the worst Sideshow Bob episode I have ever seen, even worse than the terrible day of the jakanapes. Bear in mind I haven't seen the italian bob or the great louse detective.

So... if I had to choose the very worst episode ever... I think I might go for the jerusalem one, followed by the lastest gun in the west, followed by moe's bar rag.

PS - I really liked Kidney Trouble.

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« Reply #574 on: 10-18-2013 15:40 »

The lastest gun in the west (I think that's what it was called) was my least favourite at the time of release. Bloody horrible episode.
Agreed. That'd probably make my bottom 10.

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That one where ralph becomes mayor or something - absolutely stupid episode.
"E. Pluribus Wiggum" - one of the ones I picked as my three worst ever.

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I saw one on TV a few months ago about Moe's bar cloth - this is a strong contender for the worst ever.
Agreed. Particularly bad episode - though still far from being the worst.

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I absolutely hate the Jerusalem tour episode, mainly due to sasha baron cohen's awful guest appearence. In fact, this one may be my least favourite ever.
That seems to be the most popular pick for "Worst. Episode. Ever" these days, according to general fan consensus.
Actually, as I was writing this, I just remembered "Lisa Goes Gaga". I think that one overtook it - but prior to that, fans seemed to be agreed on "The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed".

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Funeral For A Fiend had potential, as it was a sideshow bob episode, but it was so poorly done. Although not the worst episode ever, this is the worst Sideshow Bob episode I have ever seen, even worse than the terrible day of the jakanapes. Bear in mind I haven't seen the italian bob or the great louse detective.

"The Italian Bob" was much worse. Appalling, in fact. It's another of the three episodes I picked as the worst ever. "Funeral for a Fiend" did suck, though - don't get me wrong. It was a horrible waste of so much potential - Bob's death, Cecil's return, seeing Bob's father (continuing the Frasier casting), etc.

"The Great Louse Detective" is pretty good by modern Simpsons standards, but that still means that it's crap.
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« Reply #575 on: 10-18-2013 15:47 »
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Yeah FFAF had potential. The frasier casting was a great idea, but executed badly (although it was obviously really good in Brother From Another Series).

I've heard that the italian bob is pretty bad. The fake neighbour one was surprisingly ok though (don't get me wrong, still not great) but more tolerable than FFAF.

Edit: I've just remembered another episode that I really hate - Bye Bye Nerdie.
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« Reply #576 on: 10-18-2013 16:30 »

Actually, as I was writing this, I just remembered "Lisa Goes Gaga".

I was about post that I would pick that one for the worst episode.

I mostly don't remember single episodes from seasons after 20 at least, so I can't say what else I would put on the bottom of my list.
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« Reply #577 on: 10-18-2013 17:35 »

Bye Bye Nerdie has the scene where Homer reminesces about viciously beating Smithers back in grade school, then when it cuts back to the present he laughs and says "Good times".
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« Reply #578 on: 10-18-2013 17:49 »

... Uhh, okay. Cool?

You realise That 90's Show is generally held in pretty high regard amongst most fans and critics, right?

So, wait, he's not allowed to hate it just because most people like it?

No, of course not, it just seemed worth noting in a discussion about what people deemed to be the worst episode ever.

My vote's still for the episode about Moe's bar rag.
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #579 on: 10-18-2013 17:55 »

Another retarded Season 11 episode I watched yesterday night and potentially the worst episode ever: Kill the Alligator and Run. I mean, The Simpsons survive a train crashing into them and sleep the whole day stuck on it, while Homer brings some food back for them from the train. What the fuck?
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« Reply #580 on: 10-18-2013 18:00 »

Nothing before season 17 could qualify for worst episode ever in my opinion. Even the weakest episodes from the Scully/early Jean era still have a few laughs per episode. You're lucky to get one or two nowadays.
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« Reply #581 on: 10-18-2013 18:10 »
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Nothing before season 17 could qualify for worst episode ever in my opinion. Even the weakest episodes from the Scully/early Jean era still have a few laughs per episode. You're lucky to get one or two nowadays.

I agree. Although I'd go as far to say earlier than season seventeen.... maybe about 14 or 15 for me.

I remember the moment I stopped watching the show regularly - it was 'the island' scene on 'the computer wore menace shoes'. This was the first time I noticed something was up with the show... then the show got worse and worse and worse...

Edit: ANOTHER terrible episode I remember - Simpsons Tall Tales.
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #582 on: 10-18-2013 18:14 »
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Nothing before season 17 could qualify for worst episode ever in my opinion. Even the weakest episodes from the Scully/early Jean era still have a few laughs per episode. You're lucky to get one or two nowadays.
I remember the moment I stopped watching the show regularly - it was 'the island' scene on 'the computer wore menace shoes'. This was the first time I noticed something was up with the show... then the show got worse and worse and worse...

The Computer Wore Menace Shoes is currently in my bottom 10 episodes of The Simpsons. It's kind of like Futurama's Attack of the Killer App, where it's pretty good until the second half, then it becomes the most retarded piece of shit you could ever imagine all of a sudden.
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« Reply #583 on: 10-18-2013 18:18 »

Nothing before season 17 could qualify for worst episode ever in my opinion. Even the weakest episodes from the Scully/early Jean era still have a few laughs per episode. You're lucky to get one or two nowadays.
I remember the moment I stopped watching the show regularly - it was 'the island' scene on 'the computer wore menace shoes'. This was the first time I noticed something was up with the show... then the show got worse and worse and worse...

The Computer Wore Menace Shoes is in my top 10 worst episodes of The Simpsons. It's kind of like Futurama's Attack of the Killer App, where it's pretty good until the second half, then it becomes the most retarded piece of shit you could ever imagine all of a sudden.

I totally agree with your description of it. That's pretty much how I feel about it too. Although having said that, it's still not close to being in the worst 10 for me...
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« Reply #584 on: 10-18-2013 18:20 »

Eh, it was a parody of The Prisoner anyway, but regardless, the first act of that episode was fantastic, and the show had already done far more ridiculous shit prior to this episode (the loch ness monster, jockey elves, etc.).

Season 15 is generally considered to be the best season from the Al Jean era, though... It's certainly my favourite post-classic era season.
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« Reply #585 on: 10-18-2013 18:23 »

Eh, it was a parody of The Prisoner anyway, but regardless, the first act of that episode was fantastic, and the show had already done far more ridiculous shit prior to this episode (the loch ness monster, jockey elves, etc.).

Season 15 is generally considered to be the best season from the Al Jean era, though... It's certainly my favourite post-classic era season.

I haven't seen that film so I guess that effected it for me. Jockey elves was damn awful.

The loch-ness monster was ridiculous I agree. Although for some reason I actually kinda like that episode.
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« Reply #586 on: 10-18-2013 18:31 »

I haven't seen that film so I guess that effected it for me.

The Prisoner was an old tv series. Parodied multiple times on the show, too. roll eyes

It's odd that other people's instincts upon seeing a confusing, alienating episode of a comedic tv show aren't immediately to look up whether or not it was a parody of something... Google is your friend, people!
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« Reply #587 on: 10-18-2013 18:33 »

I haven't seen that film so I guess that effected it for me.

The Prisoner was an old tv series.

It's odd that other people's instincts upon seeing a confusing, alienating episode of a comedic tv show aren't immediately to look up whether or not it was a parody of something... Google is your friend, people!

Well back then I was young and naive lol.

Out of the golden era, excluding clipshows, my least favourite is probably Kamp Krusty. I mean, I didn't dislike it - and it's obviously miles better than the majority of 'modern simpsons'. It's just that it never did anything for me. Anyone else feel similar?
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« Reply #588 on: 10-18-2013 19:02 »

Kamp Krusty was probably one of the weakest of season four, which says a lot considering how great that season was
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« Reply #589 on: 10-18-2013 19:23 »
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I think some Simpsons episodes can still be pretty good, even if they aren't that funny though. Bart Gets an F from Season 2 for example is one of my all-time favourites in the series. I consider most Season 1 episodes pretty underrated, despite alot of them not being that funny but quite dark (like Homer's Odyssey, The Crepes of Wrath and Some Enchanted Evening).
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« Reply #590 on: 10-18-2013 20:01 »
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I'm up to season 11 at the moment, re-watching things, and it just strikes me that the show is turning into a fully blown cartoon.

Matt Groening always used to go on about how the show wasn't treated like a cartoon and how he didn't want silly cartoon sound-effects and so forth. The first few seasons weren't completely grounded, but they felt largely like reality exaggerated for comedic effect - with the odd "rubberband reality" moment thrown in. From about season 9 or 10, the show starts to feel more and more like a normal cartoon. It's still entertaining and funny at this point, but it seems to be where Matt Groening gave up, fighting his corner.

Honestly, I'm starting to think Al Jean and Mike Reiss are largely responsible for the decline of the show. I think that they always wanted to create a ridiculously stupid cartoon, but coming on the heels of the relatively grounded first two seasons, they weren't in any position to go crazy yet and, ultimately, their little push into making the show slightly more "out there" ended up making seasons 3 and 4 utterly brilliant. In other words, they sort of fluked out.

Then they left to make The Critic - a show that I really don't think very much of despite people constantly going on about it. The Critic was just a silly cartoon that didn't really feel like it has aspirations to be something more in the same way that The Simpsons did. It never really felt like anything more than a lackluster episode of the Animaniacs.

Then they got their 4-episode order that aired in seasons 8 and 9: "The Springfield Files", "Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala-(Annoyed Grunt)-cious", "Lisa's Sax" and "Simpson Tide". I know that people love the first two episodes, and I did, too, back when I was 9 years old. Re-watching them, they feel so utterly out of place in the show's reality, it's just ridiculous. They're decent overall, but they reduce the show to nothing but lazy pop-culture references and I think that they're weaker than most of the episodes made at that time.
"Lisa's Sax" is alright - though it still has lots of really stupid parts ("For no reason, here's Apu"), but then "Simpson Tide" is one of the most ridiculous episodes going. It's one of my least favourites from the first 9 seasons, actually. I mean... it ends with no reason. Homer is still fired at the end of the episode. There's a submarine full of penguins. Homer knows how to speak penguin. The Village People are inexplicably on top of the submarine to sing "In the Navy" and Smithers is there purely because he's gay (hilarious) - but Smithers disappears before everyone else dies. Moe stops giving a crap about his job in order to join the Naval Reserve because of a stupid joke about his customers. Apu joins for even less of a reason (yes, that's the joke, but it's a joke at the expense of so much logic and it isn't funny enough to justify it). The Soviet Union is still alive (complete with zombie Lenin) but we never hear about any of this crap in any subsequent episode. It boils the blood.

Then Al Jean took over in season 13, and that is the point where the show went from being bad by The Simpsons' standards, but still a funny show that I largely enjoyed and became genuinely bad. That's the point when I stopped watching the show after following it almost autistically from about season 3, when I first became aware of it, as a child.

Maybe Mike Reiss was the guy holding him back the whole time and stopping him from just being silly.

I've heard that the italian bob is pretty bad. The fake neighbour one was surprisingly ok though (don't get me wrong, still not great) but more tolerable than FFAF.

Yeah, I agree completely. "The Bob Next Door" was really frustrating, because it was so close to being a good episode. A handful of jokes worked, it had an almost clever storyline. It nearly got it right and became an anomaly of quality just like "Holidays of Future Passed" but it was just a few notches short. I'd say it's easily one of the better episodes of the Al Jean era, but that's not enough to stop it being bad.

Another retarded Season 11 episode I watched yesterday night and potentially the worst episode ever: Kill the Alligator and Run. I mean, The Simpsons survive a train crashing into them and sleep the whole day stuck on it, while Homer brings some food back for them from the train. What the fuck?

I was never a fan of that one, but again, it's probably in the better half of episodes, now, sadly.

Nothing before season 17 could qualify for worst episode ever in my opinion. Even the weakest episodes from the Scully/early Jean era still have a few laughs per episode. You're lucky to get one or two nowadays.

I agree with that, too. Season 17 seems to be when they started to produce episodes almost devoid of any redeeming features whatsoever. I mean, as much as I hate seasons 13-16, the episodes were usually just crap rather than offensively crap.

Eh, it was a parody of The Prisoner anyway
I don't feel like that excuses it in any real way. If you do a parody on a show like this, it has to work on two levels. You can't just go full-retard to accommodate a ludicrous storyline.

I consider most Season 1 episodes pretty underrated, despite alot of them not being that funny but quite dark (like Homer's Odyssey, The Crepes of Wrath and Some Enchanted Evening).

I've grown to like the first two seasons, but they're much dryer than the show ever was, afterwards. As a child, I hated the first two seasons and it always felt like a punch to the gut when I'd turn on the television at 6 o'clock to see that they'd "reset" the episodes they were showing back to episode 1 and I'd have to endure 2 seasons' worth of episodes before the show got good again.

Anyway, now that I'm older, I suppose that I get a lot more of it and appreciate it much more. And on the opposite side of things, I'm put off by the cartoon nonsense in the later episodes that I did quite enjoy as a young kid.
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« Reply #591 on: 10-18-2013 20:05 »

Simpson Tide is an amazing episode. roll eyes
stum

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« Reply #592 on: 10-18-2013 20:22 »

My vote's still for the episode about Moe's bar rag.

But that one has Homer dancing on the ceiling of Moe's Tavern as "All Night Long" plays. How could it be the worst episode when it has that scene?
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« Reply #593 on: 10-18-2013 21:51 »

Simpson Tide is an amazing episode. roll eyes

I disagree, although I respect your right to an opinion.



Another episode I hate is "Dude, Where's My Ranch?". I found it quite stupid that Homer
gained national attention just by writing a song about how he hates Ned. However, what that led to was even worse. I hated the second and third acts much, much more than the first, although the entire episode was pretty terrible in my opinion. Of course, it was gold compared to a lot of the shit we've gotten since then.
stum

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« Reply #594 on: 10-18-2013 22:00 »

Simpson Tide seems to be a very unpopular episode, but I adore it. How can you not love this exchange?

Skinner: Nuh-uh. The school dress code strictly prohibits the wearing of earrings unless you're of gypsy extraction.
Milhouse: Oh, I'm a gypsy!
Skinner: Prove it.
Milhouse: Uh... I vant to suck your blooood!
Skinner: Nuh-uh. That's a vampire. But... they're also covered. Carry on!
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« Reply #595 on: 10-18-2013 22:01 »

I'll admit that was kind of funny, but how does one little joke make an entire episode amazing?
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« Reply #596 on: 10-18-2013 22:02 »
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Yeah, "Dude, Where's My Ranch" is another one that really sticks out to me as being particularly bad - although, it might just be because it's one of the few "new" episodes I saw after I'd stopped bothering to watch new episodes (before I eventually decided to catch up and watch everything) thanks to it being included on one of those 4-episode VHS tapes that they used to release and my cousin getting it for Christmas.

But that one has Homer dancing on the ceiling of Moe's Tavern as "All Night Long" plays. How could it be the worst episode when it has that scene?

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Also, edit button.


And "Simpson Tide" has lots of great jokes but its plotting is incredibly stupid and lazy and its also got a lot of really weak, poor jokes (at least, a lot for that point in the show's run). It's a huge step down from almost every previous episode because the earlier episodes also had lots of great jokes as well as good plotting.
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« Reply #597 on: 10-18-2013 22:04 »

I'll admit that was kind of funny, but how does one little joke make an entire episode amazing?

There's lots of other great little jokes in the episode that make it amazing, like the guy with the enlarged hand, and the "Are you a homosexual?" bit.

And yes, cyber_turnip, I am being sarcastic.
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« Reply #598 on: 10-18-2013 22:06 »

I don't really see what's funny about the don't ask, don't tell bit.

And the giant hand isn't exactly an amazing joke... it's just... meh. I preferred the giant hand joke in "The Last Temptation of Homer". I didn't really need to see that guy again.

And the vampire joke? It'd be a great joke in something like SpongeBob SquarePants but in The Simpsons... I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't anything special, either.
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« Reply #599 on: 10-18-2013 22:07 »

Simpson Tide or Holidays of Future Passed?
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