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Benderino

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« Reply #200 on: 01-21-2013 16:55 »

Hey, guess what guys! Fox just renewed the Simpsons for another 20 seasons!
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #201 on: 02-03-2013 00:03 »

Do I smell some bitterness?
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #202 on: 02-23-2013 10:42 »
« Last Edit on: 05-23-2013 09:30 »

Watched the recent Simpsons episode, "Hardly Kirk-ing", and must say I quite liked it.
A simple, straight theme (let's see how kids like adulthood) and the kids playing a prank (more like misbehaved brats, instead of Lisa being a 50 year old liberal in a child's body), gave the whole episode a rather classic feeling.

The Homer subplot was also allright and solidly funny. Some of his subplots feel forced, when every little action has to result in huge chaos for the mere sake of it.
Once again he overdid a hobby, but the (this time positive) effects offered an organic, logical resolution to the plot.
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« Reply #203 on: 03-19-2013 20:21 »

I liked "Hardly Kirk-ing" too. It was just a nice episode with a decent plot, everyone being in character, and it had none of the insipid gags that plagues many a Simpson episode these days.

I didn't enjoy "Black Eyed, Please" much though. The Smithers gay fisting joke hurt my soul.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #204 on: 03-20-2013 08:12 »

Dark Knight Court was quite good episode. Especially it had many good jokes.
"Ah, to be young and on trial" Reminds me of Farnsworth.
Also the impact of prank calls to Moe.
Benderino

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« Reply #205 on: 04-07-2013 19:49 »

Just saw the one where we saw that abe had another wife and homer knew her, which took a massive chocolate hotdog on all continuity. Also it wasn't very funny.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #206 on: 04-16-2013 17:31 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2013 10:42 »

What Animated Women Want
It was different, with narrating and without normal opening scene. Little boring and not very funny. Marriage problems with Homer and Marge are just used too many times with Marge not forgiving something.

One good joke:
Spacedal11

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« Reply #207 on: 04-17-2013 06:19 »

I suggest everyone to watch Conan O'Brien's Serious Jibber Jabber with some of the Simpsons writers. It was funny and insightful and a great trip down memory lane.
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« Reply #208 on: 04-18-2013 04:08 »

I liked "Hardly Kirk-ing" too. It was just a nice episode with a decent plot,
This might be late, but I really enjoyed that episode as well. The gags were great, and almost everything seemed like it was in place. I'd give it a 8/10 Makes me wish more of the episodes were like this!

Bart centered episodes are occasionally good, compared to what the rest of the characters have to put out.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #209 on: 04-18-2013 11:02 »

I suggest everyone to watch Conan O'Brien's Serious Jibber Jabber with some of the Simpsons writers. It was funny and insightful and a great trip down memory lane.

That was great, all the interviews and discussions should be that long. And now I know more about writers' job.
Sof

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« Reply #210 on: 04-18-2013 15:53 »

I haven't seen the newest episode yet,but I have to say it,this season has been solid! I think my favorite is Treehouse of Horror XXIII (had interesting plots) but I don't know personally I think that The Simpsons are dead since season 11 or 12 (talking about stories,because well, I used to see the show in spanish... and used to be cool the dub! because talkin about dub then The Simpsons were good until season 15,but that's another story...) because actually they doeasn't give you anything new. Is just me or the writting now is more lazier? They only add pop culture references or say that they are gonna touch a delicate topic,but when you see the episode...nothing, when they used to write these things because they wanted to and not because "we're gonna get more rantings".

Also The Simpsons used to be "A show that looked for kids but is for adults" but now is "A show that looks for adults but...is too childish".

Anyways,is just my opinion, some newest episodes are decent (as I said this season is good,but all the hiatus...ugh),also I hate the new animation all in HD,is a waste of time if the characters are going to look like emotionless robots.
winna

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« Reply #211 on: 04-18-2013 15:58 »

Haven't seen a ToH episode in a long wild.  I hope they're still good.  Except they weren't for a long time.  I don't know anymore.  I don't remember who I am.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #212 on: 04-18-2013 19:55 »

You are Lisa Simpson.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #213 on: 05-11-2013 17:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2013 10:43 »

Two latest episodes with titles referring movies.

Pulpit Friction had interesting couch gag as it was part of the actual storyline:
Simpsons parachuting with Homer chrashing to couch, obviously. So they need to buy a new couch.

Whiskey Business
Also;
Marge: "Homer Simpson!"
Homer: "Aagh, the woman I love!"
MeatablePie

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« Reply #214 on: 05-11-2013 20:56 »
« Last Edit on: 05-11-2013 20:57 »

They are now trying to have Lisa be the center of attention in most episodes now, but that's just one small reason on why the show sucks now.
The jokes are forced down our throats.
Sooner or later The Simpsons will become a dry towel as all it's comedy has been sucked out of it (I didn't say damp, I said dry because there are no more decent jokes) as people would watch it as much as they would watch a snail move.
They need to bring in new writers, with new jokes (No, I wouldn't want Family Guy writers to write episodes).
Gorky

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« Reply #215 on: 05-12-2013 01:17 »

Tedward and I have been watching through my all-time favorite Simpsons episodes for the past couple of months; we are currently up to season eight, which is probably the last nearly-flawless season. We shan't be watching past season thirteen for the time being, because I don't own any subsequent seasons (except the twentieth, which is obviously mostly garbage) on DVD; if I can ever be arsed to buy the box sets, we could probably work our way up to season fifteen (that's the last season of the show with which I am familiar, and I like it that way). Then we'll finish up with the movie, which I think acts as a perfectly fitting series finale.

Anyway, I mention this because I'm on this awesome "God, I love everything about The Simpsons" high right now, and coming into this thread and seeing you guys talk about the new episodes just kills that nice feeling and makes me very, very sad.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #216 on: 05-13-2013 19:30 »

Justin Bieber to appear in 'The Simpsons' :rolleyes:...
I like how Bieber's appearing in the episode was a joke itself. (A warning about appearance.)

Anyway, I mention this because I'm on this awesome "God, I love everything about The Simpsons" high right now, and coming into this thread and seeing you guys talk about the new episodes just kills that nice feeling and makes me very, very sad.
I'm sorry.

One other thing: Couch gags have become more and more epic. They neither serve the purpose nor are really funny at all, with a few exceptions from earlier episodes.
tyraniak

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« Reply #217 on: 05-14-2013 02:06 »

I've noticed that the couch gags are getting just as much, if not more press, than the episodes themselves, almost as if they're considered separate entities
Dorsal Axe

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« Reply #218 on: 05-15-2013 17:35 »

How long until we see an episode comprised entirely of couch gags?
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #219 on: 05-15-2013 19:48 »

That won't happen to Simpsons, not even if there is 50 seasons. Sounds like something Family Guy would do, however.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #220 on: 05-21-2013 15:57 »

I have to admit, this past Sunday's season finale was quite good. Two episodes and they both had actual decent stories that didn't devolve into total nonsense. They weren't tear-jerkers by any means, but they were held together with some real emotion. I cared!

And they were well directed, with some fun/quirky animated bits and good music. Honestly, it kind of reminded me of Futurama. I couldn't believe what I was watching.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #221 on: 05-21-2013 18:41 »

And they were well directed, with some fun/quirky animated bits and good music. Honestly, it kind of reminded me of Futurama. I couldn't believe what I was watching.

Wow, you were right. The Saga of Carl Carlsson did have Futurama-like feeling and all in all it was epic and funny. Nothing bad to say about either of episodes.

And yes, music was noticeably excellent as well as jokes were great too. Humor in Simpsons is something that hasn't failed yet (imo).

:laff::
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #222 on: 06-01-2013 10:17 »

I thought they were both as terrible as ever.

And The Saga of Carl Carlson had the extra problems given how out of character Carl was being (him and Lenny have been consistently portrayed as basically soulmates up until this point) and that Homer, Moe and Lenny would all be fine with losing that huge amount of lottery money. Not to say that you can't just stroll into Iceland and buy a bit of a saga. And what was Carl's plan, exactly, anyway?

Step 1. Buy a bit of the saga
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Prove family's innocence
Step 4. Profit
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #223 on: 06-07-2013 00:14 »

Saga of Carl just felt like a lame Family Guy plot to me. Every season FG have to have a dull buddy road trip episode, and I guess that's a market Simpsons need as well. Most of season 24 was passable though, in my opinion.
Gorky

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« Reply #224 on: 06-07-2013 17:22 »

So a few nights ago Tedward and I watched "Kill the Alligator and Run," and I tried to explain to him how this episode--and season eleven in general--is often seen as one of the show's worst (or at least that was what people used to say on the No Homers Club, when I posted there many years ago). Now, I personally have a soft spot for much of season eleven--and "Kill the Alligator and Run" is, to me, a hilarious episode despite its many flaws (chief among them being, for me, the Kid Rock nonsense); however, I tried my best to articulate the complaints I've heard about that episode and the season it comes from: it is disjointed; Homer is a jerkass; the plot progression is downright frenetic.

And then I came in this thread last night and saw Snrub mention that the show just wrapped up its twenty-fourth season--and I realized that any complaints people had about season eleven when it first aired have by now been made in one form or another about thirteen additional seasons of the show.* Suddenly, endeavoring to explain what makes "Kill the Alligator and Run" one of the alleged Worst. Episodes. Ever. seemed so very pointless.  

*Yes, I know that the Scully years in particular were guilty of being Homer-centric and for portraying Homer as an unapologetic asshole--so maybe people aren't still making those sorts of complaints about the new episodes. Complaints about shoddy plotting and general zaniness, however, are probably still valid.

Also, one thing season eleven has going for it that I don't think the newer episodes do is a kind of energy, an obvious delight in (if not reverence for) this fictional world and its inhabitants. To me, the newest seasons are just running on auto-pilot; at least the Scully years still felt a little bit fresh, whereas something like season twenty (which is the last season I watched in its semi-entirety) is just pat and predictable and a rehash of things that have already been done ten times before. The episodes hit the appropriate comedic and emotional marks, more or less, but it just seems like the writers are going through the motions as opposed to genuinely reveling in their work.
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #225 on: 06-07-2013 21:13 »
« Last Edit on: 06-07-2013 21:17 »

Also, one thing season eleven has going for it that I don't think the newer episodes do is a kind of energy, an obvious delight in (if not reverence for) this fictional world and its inhabitants. To me, the newest seasons are just running on auto-pilot; at least the Scully years still felt a little bit fresh, whereas something like season twenty (which is the last season I watched in its semi-entirety) is just pat and predictable and a rehash of things that have already been done ten times before. [/small]
Well, what's more interesting, watching a guy get killed or watching the carcass get dragged around?

In any case, a new showrunner could help to do just that. The first couple of Jean era seasons were actually pretty good, better than late Scully era episodes. But he's been in charge for like 13 goddamn years, and there's only so many times you can beat the same dead horse until he's nothing but dust and mush.

Although there's heavy rumours of the show ending after season 25, so we might not ever get to see that happen.
Gorky

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« Reply #226 on: 06-07-2013 21:57 »

The first couple of Jean era seasons were actually pretty good, better than late Scully era episodes.

I actually think seasons eleven and twelve are fairly solid, with the latter being more enjoyable than the former--though by that point I think Jean's influence was a lot more pronounced than it had been when he came back on as a writer in (I think?) season ten. But I think that at that point in the run, his presence was needed; I get the sense from the commentaries--and from the content of many of the episodes for which he is the credited writer--that he steered Homer away from jerkass territory (see: "HOMR"), which was definitely for the best.

I quit watching the show faithfully after season fifteen, but I would also agree that the first three seasons that Jean ran were indeed pretty solid. I am particularly fond of season fifteen, and think that a handful of its episodes can be placed alongside the show's golden age and hold up pretty damn well ("The Way We Weren't" is perhaps the best example of such an episode).

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But he's been in charge for like 13 goddamn years, and there's only so many times you can beat the same dead horse until he's nothing but dust and mush.

There is a lot of discussion of that in John Orvted's oral history of the show. Both that section and the book as a whole are bitchy as hell, but I still dig it.

Anyway, I will also say that after making my previous post I went to Hulu and tried watching a few of the available season 24 episodes. I got through "Black-Eyed, Please" okay (I even chuckled once, at Marge's line to Lisa about being upset because a character in a book was facing some difficulty), but the whole time I couldn't help seeing it as some weird hybrid of "Lisa's Substitute" and "Hurricane Neddy." I couldn't sit through "Whiskey Business" or "The Saga of Carl" in their entirety, though; I think Snrub's Family Guy analogy is right-on, because I kept wanting to replace Homer, Moe, Lenny, and Carl with Peter, Joe, Quagmire, and Cleveland. :hmpf:

I get the sense from these new episodes that The Simpsons has gone from being a traditional sitcom where I am supposed to care about the characters and the mishaps that befall them, to some sort of variety show, a comedic institution a la Saturday Night Live. You write on The Simpsons and earn your comedy writer street cred, then move on to bigger and better things. In other words, the characters and their situations are now secondary to some self-serving need on the part of the writers to experiment and indulge themselves. Now, the show in its prime was obviously experimental (look at an episode like "22 Short Films about Springfield"), but it certainly wasn't so self-indulgent. And maybe that's the difference I'm so hung up on, the thing that makes me love episodes from the supposedly Dark Years of the Scully era (which certainly had a screw-the-fans attitude at points, but was not as straight-up self-serving as what I've noticed when I've caught an episode or two from recent seasons), but renders me unable to stomach the relatively harmless fare of the Jean years. 

It is also possible that I'm just rambling now, and that I have no idea what I'm talking about. After all, I no longer watch the show regularly and am therefore somewhat unqualified to diagnose its current problems...
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« Reply #227 on: 06-08-2013 00:55 »

On behalf of Scully, it wasn't only he, who made Homer dumber etc. He was there to set the direction of the show, which was even before him declining (I don't agree with that). But yes, showrunner has an influence and "show's decline" was most apparent then.

But for me seasons 4-10 (and maybe couple seasons after 10) are most enjoyable even with all that stupidness. Increasing stupidness was due to new audience and younger writers. And I can see that I don't have special fond to oldest episodes, because I started watching the Simpsons after season 15/16.

The Simpsons has taken a step back with the relationships, I guess, but problem is that plots are repeating and not so creative anymore. Humor is still good, but not at same level as it used to be. The thing is about the context, do you want to compare new episodes with classic ones or with other content in tv.

I'd be happy to end the Simpsons after season 25, if there were the Simpsons Movie 2 coming after that with same quality as the first one.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #228 on: 06-28-2013 00:09 »

So, this is hanging up in one of my friend's apartment:



Framed poster with signatures from all four of the main voice actors plus Harry Shearer and Hank Azaria. I asked him how the hell he got his hands on this and he said his dad passed it down to him...so damn jealous. I bet it would go for a decent haul on eBay too...not that I would ever let go of something like this were it to belong to me.
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #229 on: 06-28-2013 00:39 »

That's pretty damn cool. There has to be more to that story though, more than it was just passed down to him. This requires a grilling.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #230 on: 06-28-2013 07:18 »

Not really. His father was a huge Simpsons fan and got the poster signed at a convention or something, then framed it and later gave it to his son to have. Not much more complicated then that.
Meerkat54

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« Reply #231 on: 06-29-2013 16:26 »

Ha! I've got the same poster, Josh. Only it's not signed like that, though. :(
Beamer

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« Reply #232 on: 07-08-2013 07:12 »

Yeah, I used to have one too (also unsigned, obviously :p). Though I've seen at least 2 versions of this poster, with some slight changes in which one-off characters were featured.
Sof

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« Reply #233 on: 07-08-2013 07:32 »

 I'm jealous of your friend Josh,what a beautiful poster!

And talking about The Simpsons,I've been lazy for see the lastest 2 episodes from the newest season,but I saw the episode with Justin Bieber (I don't hate the kid but his fangirls,ugh) and even the joke was ok, they really had to put "HERE COMES JUSTIN BIEBER" before that? That's ridiculous.

Also I bought season 6 on DVD the past weekend and ahhh good times,especially watching "Homer the Great",it's indeed a great episode.
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« Reply #234 on: 07-08-2013 09:40 »

And talking about The Simpsons,I've been lazy for see the lastest 2 episodes from the newest season,but I saw the episode with Justin Bieber (I don't hate the kid but his fangirls,ugh) and even the joke was ok, they really had to put "HERE COMES JUSTIN BIEBER" before that? That's ridiculous.
It seemed like more of a warning for Bieber-haters as opposed to amping up Bieber-fans. Didn't they follow the scene with "THE SIMPSONS WILL NOW BE JUSTIN BIEBER-FREE FROM THIS POINT" or something? Either way, it's blatant pandering for a horrible guest star and making a joke about the fact that he's on it doesn't change the fact that he's on it.

The only episode from this season I'd consider worthy of the classic era is The Day the Earth Stood Cool. Lots of brilliant quips in that one ("You brought the children home exhausted and pretentious!") and the hipster satire was absolutely spot-on. I also enjoyed Black Eyed, Please. The rest of the season ranged from "tolerable" to "fucking awful."

Every current-era Simpsons season seems to have two stand-outs hidden amongst the shit... Last season's would be The Book Job - which I would rank alongside the classics any day and would probably even be in my all time favourites list - and A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #235 on: 07-08-2013 15:45 »

And talking about The Simpsons,I've been lazy for see the lastest 2 episodes from the newest season,but I saw the episode with Justin Bieber (I don't hate the kid but his fangirls,ugh) and even the joke was ok, they really had to put "HERE COMES JUSTIN BIEBER" before that? That's ridiculous.
It seemed like more of a warning for Bieber-haters as opposed to amping up Bieber-fans. Didn't they follow the scene with "THE SIMPSONS WILL NOW BE JUSTIN BIEBER-FREE FROM THIS POINT" or something? Either way, it's blatant pandering for a horrible guest star and making a joke about the fact that he's on it doesn't change the fact that he's on it.

Yeah, I prefer them making a joke about the celebrity appearance instead of it without the joke. Justin Bieber -thing wasn't too bad IMO. But, how come they haven't realised the stupidity of pointless celebrity appearances within the 15 or more seasons of them? Even if it's part of the plot, it can be terrible like with Lady Gaga. (I really hated that one...)
tyraniak

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« Reply #236 on: 07-18-2013 23:42 »

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/18/simpsons-family-guy-crossover-episode/

I'm not sure how many suicides this will cause
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #237 on: 07-18-2013 23:51 »

Oh lord... :mad:


Well, that said, I'm truly happy it's actually a Family Guy episode. So, no harm done to Simpsons (hopefully).
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« Reply #238 on: 07-19-2013 00:14 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2013 00:16 »

Perhaps it IS for the best that Futurama stays cancelled, so nothing like that can ever happen. :p

Also, isn't Matt Groening, like, REALLY against crossovers? He didn't take it too well in the past.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #239 on: 07-19-2013 01:00 »

I don't really understand why anyone on that show would want to crossover with Family Guy after that awful cutaway gag where Quagmire rapes Marge then kills everyone. Not the worst thing Family Guy ever did IMO but really tasteless.
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