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Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #80 on: 03-18-2011 20:56 »

The only thing with that quote is that people tend to think it's "Luke, I am your father."

Which is wrong, but whatever. smile

TOTPSWD!

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« Reply #81 on: 03-18-2011 20:57 »
« Last Edit on: 03-18-2011 20:58 »

All those reasons aside...
There is NO WAY anyone in the world that hasn't seen star wars has not heard the most famous movie quote ever: "No, I am your father." Everyone knows that Darth Vader is Luke's father, its like common Knowledge for the general public, so watching ROTS first will not spoil anything
We're suggesting on the assumption that the person has never seen any of the movies and has no idea what's going on. There actually are still people out there who are oblivious to it.
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« Reply #82 on: 03-18-2011 21:02 »

That's not true! That's impossible!!

Lol. Seriously though, I guess I would just be surprised to meet someone like that. I had friends who didn't know anything about star wars, but did know that line.
Also, HI WEINER!!! big grin I missed you...
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #83 on: 03-18-2011 23:48 »

I just realised that.

I also just realised that whilst the prequels do their best to establish Anakin as "the best star pilot in the galaxy", when the hell is he ever a "cunning" warrior?

I think the original script must've been changed to "cunning warrior" from "whining cunt".
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« Reply #84 on: 03-19-2011 00:00 »

I think the original script must've been changed to "cunning warrior" from "whining cunt".

I think the original line was that he had a cunning array of stunts.
winna

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« Reply #85 on: 03-19-2011 00:35 »
« Last Edit on: 03-19-2011 00:37 »

The viewer in question may be young and not have been exposed to Star Wars in any fashion.... much like I was when one of my uncles decided it'd be fun to watch his VHS copies... a long, long time ago.

I semi-disagree with SoS's notion that Lucas didn't have the other films in his head.  A New Hope wouldn't have already been the fourth film upon release unless he had other stuff in his head.  However, my guess is that he certainly didn't have all the details hammered out.... hence the revelation in episode five, and the incestuous hero gets the princess sub-plot that totally gets dropped by episode five.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #86 on: 04-16-2011 07:38 »
« Last Edit on: 04-16-2011 07:39 »

I'm reviving this thread because I'm bored as hell.

I agree with Winna. I've wasted enough time watched enough star wars documentaries to know that George Lucas DID actually think of a backstory before writing A New Hope. Yes, it wasn't all detailed, but it was there. Otherwise, how could he start writing a story in the middle without knowing what happened before? And he always wanted to do V and VI as well. He said that he wrote the first script for Star Wars and it was waaaay too long, so he decided to take the first part and make that a movie, and if it did well, he would continue.

So yes, he knew Luke and Leia were brother and sister and made them kiss anyway.  eek
winna

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« Reply #87 on: 04-16-2011 11:01 »

You think so?  I think it's more likely that he was making stuff up as he went along.  Either that or he secretly yearns for incestuous relationships. shifty
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #88 on: 04-16-2011 15:58 »

I think he had some idea of things that had happened in the back story, but Obi-wan's recollections of his father bare almost no resemblance to what happens in eps 1-3. And he really dropped the ball killing off Padme at the end of 3, cause force sensitive or not, it just makes no sense that Leia would remember her mother from a 30 second post natal presentation. Would it really have hurt to have sent a heart broken Padme off to Alderaan with Leia?

Where do we see confirmation of things like: "That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved."?

Often the great thing about back story is where it's vague you can fill in your own blanks. The blanks in my head were far better than what ended up on screen and I want them back!
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #89 on: 04-16-2011 16:32 »

Lucas had no idea originally that Luke and Leia were brother and sister. Should ANH have failed to perform adequately at the box office, the plot of the EU novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye was to have been the next instalment. Luke and Leia's relationship was to become overtly sexual. Han Solo wouldn't have gotten a look-in.

However, the need to write ESB in a certain direction forced Lucas to scrap those ideas, and the brother/sister thing was introduced in ROTJ in order to allow the loveable rogue to win the heart of the princess.

This was stated by Lucas in a TV interview a few years ago, and has been backed up by Lucasfilm. The plot of the novel is therefore of uncertain canonicity, and the backstory that had been thought up prior to ANH was almost completely revised between ESB and ROTJ.

The "wrote a whole saga and made part 1 first" thing is also not entirely true. Lucas has stated he had notes and drafts of what came after destroying the Death Star, but he threw most of that into the Sarlaac when writing ESB. It was really whilst he was working on ESB that the forward direction of the saga coalesced, and became clear. Similarly, it was between ESB and ROTJ that he developed most of the canon backstory. Which was further revised and retconned whilst writing TPM and AotC... really, Star Wars has been mostly made up on the fly. Like many great sagas, such as the X-Files.

So yes, he knew Luke and Leia were brother and sister and made them kiss anyway.

So no. Do some research.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #90 on: 04-16-2011 16:41 »

I for one would have been very disappointed if Padmde had not died at the end of episode III.

Nute Gunray was my favorite character...and all he ever wanted was for Padme to die. That's why he joined Dooku and the Separatist army! Even though Gunray was dead at that point, seeing Padme die brought closure to his storyline and a tear to my eye.

Seriously, the story works much better with Padme dying.

Also...Lucas never had the story planned out 100%...but I would say that very few (if any) writers do that. Everything changes from brain to page and from page to screen. Basically he had "concepts" that he wanted to show in sequels/prequels. If you look at the original Star Wars screenplay, it is a complete mess...it has a billion different scifi/fantasy ideas/concepts. It's like reading a foreign language because every other word is some made-up Star Wars word. So he took a fraction of the ideas, made Star Wars IV, and then incorporated the rest into the sequels.

I should also note that Lucas is into Plan B's. If Star Wars is majorly successful, go with
plan A, Empire Strikes Back. If it is only a modest hit, go with plan B, the lower-budgeted Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Plan A was to have Owen be Obi-Wan's brother. But he starts writing the prequels and realizes it doesn't really make sense...so he becomes Anakin's half brother.




ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #91 on: 04-16-2011 17:56 »

I for one would have been very disappointed if Padmde had not died at the end of episode III.

Nute Gunray was my favorite character...and all he ever wanted was for Padme to die.

I never got that. What's she done so wrong as to deserve his rather pitiable wrath?
winna

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« Reply #92 on: 04-16-2011 18:41 »

Are you fucking serious?
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #93 on: 04-16-2011 19:15 »

Yes, fucking.
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #94 on: 04-17-2011 04:37 »


Also...Lucas never had the story planned out 100%...but I would say that very few (if any) writers do that.


Atjum.... Joe Straczynski  .. Babylon 5.. atjum
leiapadme77

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« Reply #95 on: 05-07-2011 08:31 »

Horribly edited, but really freaking hillarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMdmTfJ7So4&sns=fb
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« Reply #96 on: 05-07-2011 10:04 »

Recently became a huge Star Wars fan, always liked it though. Anyone watch the Clone Wars?  big grin
leiapadme77

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« Reply #97 on: 05-08-2011 06:13 »

Recently became a huge Star Wars fan, always liked it though. Anyone watch the Clone Wars?  big grin

Welcome to Star Wars Fandom!
I like the CW. The first season was kinda eh...but after that the writing got much better and they're pretty good.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #98 on: 05-08-2011 06:36 »

I for one would have been very disappointed if Padmde had not died at the end of episode III.

Nute Gunray was my favorite character...and all he ever wanted was for Padme to die. That's why he joined Dooku and the Separatist army! Even though Gunray was dead at that point, seeing Padme die brought closure to his storyline and a tear to my eye.

Seriously, the story works much better with Padme dying.

Also...Lucas never had the story planned out 100%...but I would say that very few (if any) writers do that. Everything changes from brain to page and from page to screen. Basically he had "concepts" that he wanted to show in sequels/prequels. If you look at the original Star Wars screenplay, it is a complete mess...it has a billion different scifi/fantasy ideas/concepts. It's like reading a foreign language because every other word is some made-up Star Wars word. So he took a fraction of the ideas, made Star Wars IV, and then incorporated the rest into the sequels.

I should also note that Lucas is into Plan B's. If Star Wars is majorly successful, go with
plan A, Empire Strikes Back. If it is only a modest hit, go with plan B, the lower-budgeted Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Plan A was to have Owen be Obi-Wan's brother. But he starts writing the prequels and realizes it doesn't really make sense...so he becomes Anakin's half brother.


Fishy, you are a genius. It is rare that I come across a Star Wars freak as nerdy as myself.

Yes, fucking.

Why did he want her dead? That's an excellent question. Probably because he actually just wanted her "out of the way" more than brutally killed. She was a 14 year old girl that had more power than he did. She refused to let him take over her planet because he wanted to make a little extra cash. Then she essentially got half the galaxy, including Jedi on his ass. Then her people destroyed his ship and a bunch of his friends and thousands of his driods. Then her husband killed him and all of his friends. lol. Speaking of that scene, in the book he says "But Lord Sidious Promised us peace!" And anakain goes "The transmission must have been fuzzy, cause he said he promised you'd be in pieces!" Then he stabs him with a lightsaber.
Has anyone ever read the ROTS novel? Because it is FANTATISC! Seriously, Matthew Stover takes George's good story and poor dialogue and turns it into good dialogue an amazing book.  I highly, highly reccomend you to read this book. It's so much better than the movie. The fall of Anakin into the darkside is much longer and better and makes more sense. It's just amazing. I could read that book like 20 million times before getting bored.
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« Reply #99 on: 05-08-2011 06:44 »

The scene where Anakin takes out the Separatist leaders is unwittingly hilarious. He spouts off Bond one-liners and other miscellaneous snarks the entire time.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #100 on: 05-08-2011 06:46 »

The scene where Anakin takes out the Separatist leaders is unwittingly hilarious. He spouts off Bond one-liners and other miscellaneous snarks the entire time.
LOL Bond One Liners.
Yes indeed... smile
leiapadme77

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« Reply #101 on: 06-06-2011 06:57 »

*leia revives the Star Wars thread. Again..*
*and double posts*
Sooo, I know we probably already talked about this, but as you may or may not know, Star Wars is being re-released in 2012 in 3D.
What do you think???  big grin
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #102 on: 06-06-2011 07:00 »

It's an obvious cashgrab by Lucas, just like releasing all six movies on Bluray (2004 Special Edition cuts, not originals) for a big price.


That being said, I'll go see them.
David A

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« Reply #103 on: 06-09-2011 02:55 »

If they were showing the original theatrical editions, I'd go see them again, possibly multiple times.  Since it won't be the original versions, no, I have no interest whatsoever.
winna

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« Reply #104 on: 06-11-2011 11:12 »

So I was watching Next Generation the other day... and apparently Data made his own child.... It ended up deciding to be a human female, and may well have surpassed Data in his quest to become more human.  Also, I think the child's name was Lol.  Unfortunately, for whatever made up reason the writers wanted a more episodic show and Gene Roddenberry hates us from beyond the grave, Lol ends up dying at the end of the episode... Data tries in vain to save her, but it is not possible... and the man who could not love, was in turn loved by his own child.... love enough for both.

So I've been crying myself to sleep all week.  And the episode just ends like that.... even though most of it was Picard arguing that Data was a real sentient being that deserved rights like any other organism.... the child dies... and although the crew has an obligatory, "Sorry Data," there is no real emotion at the end.  Data does not grieve in any manner, and simply states that he's stolen all of Lol's memories.  What's even sadder, is that the end of this episode.... mirrors society.  We go through each day, bouncing off each other in our own chaotic paths without glancing empathically to the passengers beside us.  And all the love in the world, when a child thanks its parent for the gift of life presented to us, cannot change us.... because in some perverse fashion, we are more robotic and lifeless than our sad friend, Data. frown
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« Reply #105 on: 06-11-2011 11:31 »


 Wait, you were watching Next Generation? Was that a re-run or on DVD?

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #106 on: 06-11-2011 14:37 »

This is a STAR WARS THREAD!!!!  mad
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #107 on: 06-11-2011 14:55 »

Is there a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars, really?


Really?
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #108 on: 06-11-2011 19:57 »

Is there a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars, really?


Really?

I was honestly expecting some expectorating response to this.
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« Reply #109 on: 06-12-2011 01:13 »


Sooo, I know we probably already talked about this, but as you may or may not know, Star Wars is being re-released in 2012 in 3D.
What do you think???  big grin


HELL YEA! I would totally watch em in theaters again!
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« Reply #110 on: 06-12-2011 05:43 »

How The Empire Strikes Back Should Have Ended
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« Reply #111 on: 06-12-2011 05:51 »

I like it. laff
leiapadme77

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« Reply #112 on: 06-12-2011 07:14 »


LOL
woah woah, you shot first!!!
winna

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« Reply #113 on: 06-12-2011 08:32 »

HAN SHOOTS FIRST LEIAPADME7HUNDREDAND77.  mad
leiapadme77

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« Reply #114 on: 06-12-2011 08:50 »

The license plate frame on my car used to say "Han Shoots First"
But now it says "Planet Express"
laff
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« Reply #115 on: 06-12-2011 08:56 »

I make it my duty to remind all young men (ages 4 to 13) to always remember this line for future reference, as it will prove invaluable to them for the rest of their lives:

HAN SULU SHOOTS FIRST.

Then I run off when their mothers turn around in the grocery store before they have a chance to tell me to leave their children alone and threaten to call the police on me. smile
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« Reply #116 on: 06-12-2011 15:51 »

HAN SULU SHOOTS FIRST.

Chekovbacca says Wookies were inwented in Wussia.
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« Reply #117 on: 06-14-2011 00:21 »
« Last Edit on: 06-14-2011 00:23 »

Better than I ever could've imagined.

The wit in this thread is very amusing. Someone willing to share some of their wit powers? I seem to be lacking in that area. A lot. If someone invented a Wit-O-Meter, it would be flat-lining while pointed at me.

Star Tours is completely related to this thread so like it or not, I'm going to say things about it. The line to ride was too long (try picturing waiting over an hour thirty for the ride standing in the sun, the line inching along), the movie experience a bit too short. The 3D is cool and while super hardcore raging nerds are jumping on the "THIS CGI BLOWS" bandwagon, it looks pretty damn good. The ride was updated like two weeks ago or so and just reopened so it was super crowded. You get a different adventure every ride, so that's cool. If you don't know what the hell I'm talking about you must've been in a hole or aren't a REAL nerd like the rest of us.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #118 on: 06-14-2011 00:23 »

Ooh! I can't waÍt to go on it!! We're going next Thursday. Not looking forward to the line though.....
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« Reply #119 on: 06-14-2011 00:29 »
« Last Edit on: 06-14-2011 00:32 »

Ooh! I can't waÍt to go on it!! We're going next Thursday. Not looking forward to the line though.....
Get to the park as soon as it opens, make a bee line to the ride itself OR the Fastpass line and it shouldn't be tooooo bad (I think). BOTH were ridiculously long by the time we arrived a couple hours later. Literally in the AM hours the line was so long it nearly reached Main Street USA and went all the way back to Captain Eo and Space Mountain's area and that was WITH a snaked line. I believe that was Friday morning though so that was probably a big part of the issue. Going during the weekdays before Friday seems to really help with lines as well. Just know that the shortest wait I saw during my entire visit was 55 minutes. That was... Thursday last week at DL?

 I'm not sure how the lines compare between Disneyland and World but I'm going to wager World's are even worse because a bajillion more people go there. Disneyland everywhere else was actually very pleasant. It was my first visit to the Land, so it was interesting to see how it compared to World. I enjoyed minimal ride wait times. If you haven't already, hit up the Indy ride as well if you're headed to Cali.
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