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PEE Poll: Spider-Man, Spider-Man, Does Whatever a Movie Can
Of COURSE I'm gonna see it!   -9 (52.9%)
I'll probably see it   -4 (23.5%)
M'eh, Maybe if I have nothing better to do   -2 (11.8%)
I wouldn't be caught DEAD at that movie!   -1 (5.9%)
What's a Spider-Man?   -1 (5.9%)
Total Voters: 17

Kryten

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« on: 04-24-2002 23:25 »

I'll probably see this movie on opening weekend... who else is planning on seeing it?

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« Reply #1 on: 04-24-2002 23:28 »

I know I'm going to see it at some point, but not until I see Episode 2.
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« Reply #2 on: 04-24-2002 23:34 »

As a reader of the comic book and former viewer of the cartoon, the movie holds up pretty well. It wasn't as good as X-Men, but still darn good. Kirsten Dunst was hot and the SFX were pretty good, though cheesy in some parts. The web swinging was well done, exactly like he does it in the comic book. All in all, a good summer flick. It's a shame that it will probably get trampled by Episode II though.
Kryten

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« Reply #3 on: 04-24-2002 23:45 »

...wait, how did you get to see it?
FishyJoe

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« Reply #4 on: 04-24-2002 23:57 »

I like Spider-man, but he just can't be translated to live-action. At least not by a campy idiot like Sam Raimi. I mean come on, just look at this picture:



There's no way this movie can be good. It might have some cool action sequences, but the laughable costumes/overall look will take away from them considerably. And the acting/dialogue....oy. This movie looks like a total disaster.

But I'll probably still see it at some point, so maybe I shouldn't bitch so much.

 
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It's a shame that it will probably get trampled by Episode II though.

I wouldn't worry too much. Spider-man opens two weeks before Star Wars, right? Summer FX-heavy blockbusters typically make most of their money on the first two weeks anyway. Spider-man will have plenty of time to make a few hundred million dollars.
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« Reply #5 on: 04-25-2002 00:46 »

damn. that picture does look pretty retarded.
i'll still see it though, but unfortunately i have to wait an extra month.
cellery

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« Reply #6 on: 04-25-2002 01:19 »

Kryten - prerelease copy.

FJ- yeah, I can see them both doing good business, but I'm sure they won't make as much money as if they were released further apart. One reason Titanic made so much cash was because there wasn't anything big released for months to compete with it.

It's cool to see all these comic books made into movies, that seems to be Hollywood's new trend. X-Men, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Daredevil, etc. are just the beginning, I'm glad to see them go to the big screen!
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« Reply #7 on: 04-25-2002 01:28 »
« Last Edit on: 04-25-2002 01:28 »

I'm definitely gonna see Spider-Man.  Prolly the first day it comes out!   big grin   I love watching movies with lots of cool stunts and special FX plus we can't forget Tobey McGuire, now can we? 
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Ben

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« Reply #8 on: 04-25-2002 01:43 »

The poor CGI, in the trailers at least, has put me off even more. If FF & Jar Jar Binks have taught us anything, it's that believable wholly-digital central characters are at least another 5-10 years away. I do a fair bit of work with 3D, and the detail they've managed to achieve is amazing but the poor radiosity on the Spiderman model just make it look pathetically fake. Until they get that bit right, all the extra polygons in the world aren't going to help.
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« Reply #9 on: 04-25-2002 08:17 »

Of course its going to be campy and fun, Spider Man always was less serious then most super heroes. He always cracked jokes, had fun with his identities and had some goofy villains (he had villains in rhino, scorpion, and vulture costumes) Everyone he knows becomes a super villain. The later movies might get more serious but Rami I think is doing a good job with the movie (well except for the Green Goblin’s design). Also that shot looks like it is a set picture or something that a fan photoshoped, for some reason it doesn’t look like it would be in the final movie, not sure why but my film student senses are tingling with that shot.
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« Reply #10 on: 04-25-2002 14:16 »

I'll probably see it when I go home for my one week break in May.  I'll probably make FishyJeff go with me so I don't look like a nerd AND a loser...
I'm not into Spider Man, but I am into hype and impressing nerds  love
The green goblin looks like a faggot though, why would people be afraid of him?  Wouldn't they just laugh?  Oh i guess he has bombs or whatever. 
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« Reply #11 on: 04-25-2002 14:42 »

Anyone been on the ride, it's awesome, that's where the CGI works best. I'm not sure about the movie though.
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« Reply #12 on: 04-25-2002 16:24 »

Not sure what the beef with Green Goblin is; do some people actually WANT a more literal translation? With the tiny cape and elf-hood and purple booties? Hel-LOOOOOOOOO! (Plus there's the mask, with the huge false eyes but a mouth opening that magically covers the lips without impeding them. Picture that on film.) 
Kryten

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« Reply #13 on: 04-25-2002 16:29 »

They should've used Doc Ock. He's just a fat guy with metal tentacles, no way you can screw that up.
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« Reply #14 on: 04-25-2002 16:55 »

 
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Of course its going to be campy and fun, Spider Man always was less serious then most super heroes.

The typical Hollywood excuse "it's supposed to be campy! It's campy comic book fun!" doesn't work for me. Yeah, Spider-man isn't the most adult creation out there, but he was never totally gay. They should at least try to take the movie *slightly* seriously. Why must they lame it up with those outrageous costumes(Spider-man's costume is fruity, but at least they can say they took it directly from the comic books. What's Green Goblin's excuse? It looks like they tried to update it to make it hipper, but they fell flat on their faces), and nerdy in-jokes?

I swear, if I see that "you're not Superman, Peter" clip on TV one more time, I'm gonna kill someone. The joke itself is bad enough...and of course it's lame because EVERY comic book movie has to have a joke like that...but oy, Toby's reaction. The way he contorts his face as if to say "huh???". Geez, why not have a narrator come out and explain the joke in detail for us? Oh and also make him CGI.

 
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FJ- yeah, I can see them both doing good business, but I'm sure they won't make as much money as if they were released further apart.

True. If I were them, I would release it right after Star Wars. Right now, there really aren't too many blockbusters after May 16th. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the next big overhyped movie after Star Wars is Scooby-Doo, and that's like more than a month afterwards. Spider-man would clean up if they released it during this part of the summer. Is it just me, or is this movie-event summer not very eventful?
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« Reply #15 on: 04-25-2002 19:06 »

 
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I swear, if I see that "you're not Superman, Peter" clip on TV one more time, I'm gonna kill someone. The joke itself is bad enough...and of course it's lame because EVERY comic book movie has to have a joke like that...

I don't remember X-Men referring to other superheroes

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« Reply #16 on: 04-25-2002 19:41 »

I don't mean references to other superheroes--I mean nerdy in-jokes in general. I thought "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" was pretty bad, although not as bad as the Superman line.
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« Reply #17 on: 04-25-2002 19:41 »

The movie looks kinda lame, yet cool.  So I'll download it the minute it gets released by TS  big grin 


The actors look really lame in the movie...even dunst...
BrainSluggo

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« Reply #18 on: 04-25-2002 20:20 »
« Last Edit on: 04-26-2002 00:00 »

If this was fifteen or twenty years ago, some of us would be barkfarting that the blue-screen work or the stop-motion Spider-Man figure was "fakey-looking." Or they would be moaning that the no-budget TV show was so limited in scope.

People willing to allow the same suspension-of-disbelief they grant the Spider-Man comic-book, most dramas in any medium, and even Futurama itself will probably have a better time than those who have their sphincters steel-grindingly pre-tightened on the basis of on-set photos or teasers based on half-finished effects. I can't stand the idiotic overpublicity (including commercials for Verison Wireless and Carl's Jr., for cripe's sake), but one can't hold that against the movie itself...

Sam Raimi has a spotty resumé--I really, really hated the writing in Darkman; there's not much point in basing the climax of a movie on whether or not the protagonist will kill the main villain, after he's already slaughtered all the bad guy's minions without hesitation--but Spider-Man seems to be following stories taken directly from the source material as closely as is possible, so (hopefully) that shouldn't be a problem. Peter's cause for suiting up and fighting supervillians is still intact (bye-bye, Unca Ben), so it's going to be serious at times, but not as head-bangingly dreary and morbid as Tim Burton's Batman. Raimi camped it at times up with the Evil Dead series--especially Army of Darkness--but he can also be very solemn and earnest when he needs to. When he strikes the right balance, it's great. When he doesn't--and that happens--it's a total load. 

A lot of consideration has obviously gone into the few variations that we're aware of; Peter Parker has returned to his roots as I Was A Teenage Nerdyboy; he no longer invents an impossible miniature mechanical device that he subsequently refuses to share with the world (the web-shooters are now a bodily mutation with an embarassing "puberty" analogy); Green Goblin is as close as you can physically get to the original without looking like the gayest Halloween costume in the Castro. Frankly, I might have gone with the Hobgoblin look, but surely that too would be "controversial."

Some people will accept everything; others just can't be happy with anything. Those who fall in between the two extremes might actually have a good time. ...Might.
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« Reply #19 on: 04-26-2002 03:04 »

Here's a better shot.
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« Reply #20 on: 04-26-2002 04:33 »
« Last Edit on: 04-26-2002 04:33 »

that pic looks too cartoony. maybe it's meant to,
but it shouldn't.

and i agree about the stupid fanboy in-jokes.
they are usually lame.

 
i don't especially like the goblin costume.
but it wouldn't really had liked to see this either    hmpf
 
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« Reply #21 on: 04-26-2002 06:54 »

 
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Originally posted by TSN-Bot:
that pic looks too cartoony. maybe it's meant to,
but it shouldn't.

and i agree about the stupid fanboy in-jokes.
they are usually lame.

   
just when you thought it couldnt get any lamer...

  laff
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« Reply #22 on: 04-29-2002 11:39 »

I'm gonna go and see spiderman..coz my friend is a huge spiderman fan and shes not gonna let me get away so easy  smile I was watching a "making the video" yesterday on MTV2 and it was for a song that Sum41 have made especially for the movie..I like the video a lot! Theres lots of green screen shots and clips from the movie. But I wont give too much away just in case people haven't seen it yet  smile
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« Reply #23 on: 04-29-2002 14:00 »

Today I saw a video that Nickleback have made and it incorporates some Spider-Man scenes, I guess they've made a song for it too.
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« Reply #24 on: 04-29-2002 16:49 »

I guess they all want to get in on the act  smile I wonder if it'll become the next best thing like Harry Potter was? Thats kinda died down a bit now though  smile
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« Reply #25 on: 04-29-2002 22:07 »

I have a fealing HP will get big again when the next book comes out.
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« Reply #26 on: 04-30-2002 07:34 »

Yeah I agree. I've read all 4 Harry Potter books twice through now   smile And I cant wait for the 5th book to come out, I think its due out in Novemember..its realeased around the same time as the 2nd film comes out though so theres gonna be a MAJOR MAJOR HYPE!!!  hmpf I liked Harry Potter before it became famous but beacuse its been hyped up soooo much its gonna crash and die just like every other fad because people will get sick and tired of hearing about it  frown
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« Reply #27 on: 05-01-2002 04:01 »

I don't know...the Harry Potter "craze" has peaked and faded (and may do so several times), but, being based on solid, well-written and beloved books rather than just empty summer-movie-hype, its genuine popularity will continue to survive.

When something comes along that quietly grabs its audience before Hollywood-trendsetters realize it (The Wizard of Oz, Star Trek, Star Wars, and, dare I hope? Futurama), it abides the rise and fall of overblown hype and people who just want to be part of the crowd scene. That's why the next Potter book is still anticipated with salivation, but nobody rents the Tri-Star Godzilla anymore. 
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« Reply #28 on: 05-02-2002 00:53 »

Most of this movie probably looks good only because of what I call 'trailer tweaking'. Like when they look lackluster scenes look good by 'matrixing' them or putting dramatic music behind them. I think the actor they picked for Spiderman could've been better. He doesn't have that 'science nerd-interior' look. If it's live action, I hope the plot lends a more serious tone.

Commenting on FishyJoe's first goblin pic: That's done with CGI? I thought it looked more like a very plasticky costume. Either way, they better not show much more than this. It might get worse than looking at those super-ultra shiny zords from the Power Rangers movie. FF and Jar-Jar Binks, from a purely aesthetic view, are masterpieces. But bad CGI can take away from a good, serious plot.
VelourFog

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« Reply #29 on: 05-02-2002 19:30 »

the green goblin costume needs more nipple

BS- just because people don't like certain things doesn't mean they don't like anything
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« Reply #30 on: 05-02-2002 19:59 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2002 19:59 »

I love Spider-man, I will see this movie, perhaps more than once in the theatre... which I never do. (Depends on if it is good)

I hate Superman, Batman, DC Comics in general.
Superman is too powerful and Batman is a guy with gadgets.

Spiderman has real powers but he's not all powerful. He rules.

I was slightly disappointed by the look of spiderman, the spider-web design on his costume is too bulgy.

Speaking of SM, i just saw a thing on TV (canadian station) where they are having an interview with the voice of the original spiderman. (who is canadian. its the law here that you have to have a good chunk of your programming be canadian content...)

Did anyone else download the original spiderman trailor? The one where he makes a huge web between the twin towers?
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« Reply #31 on: 05-02-2002 21:46 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2002 21:46 »

Potter sucks. Lord of The Rings rules. And I read a review OF Spider Man in a website giving the movie an A.
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« Reply #32 on: 05-02-2002 22:18 »

 
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the green goblin costume needs more nipple
Laugh Out Loud
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« Reply #33 on: 05-02-2002 23:16 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2002 23:16 »

 
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BS- just because people don't like certain things doesn't mean they don't like anything

That = true. Who said otherwise?

Re: nipples; imagine the Star Wars series as directed by Joel Schumacher. ...Frightening, it is not?

Vader: "Is it cold in here?"
Jabba: "Yarrrg, don't twist those, female!"
C3PO: "I don't even understand why I should have nipples. And look at my counterpart RD-D2!! Why?!?"

Kryten

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« Reply #34 on: 05-02-2002 23:44 »

Hmmm-hmmm, yes! The car chicks dig!
FishyJoe

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« Reply #35 on: 05-03-2002 01:56 »

 
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Commenting on FishyJoe's first goblin pic: That's done with CGI? I thought it looked more like a very plasticky costume.

Nope, my picture is an actual production still. BrainSluggo's pic is the CGI one(although I hopefully it's not from the final film)--see how shiney and untextured it is?

 
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Either way, they better not show much more than this. It might get worse than looking at those super-ultra shiny zords from the Power Rangers movie. FF and Jar-Jar Binks, from a purely aesthetic view, are masterpieces. But bad CGI can take away from a good, serious plot.

I feel like an idiot now--who the hell is FF? Fantastic Four? Futurefreak?

I agree about Jar Jar. Lame character, but I thought he was completely believable in the movie. I don't think anyone outside of the special effects crew would be able to point out which shots used a man in a costume(with a CG head), and which shots were 100% animated.

 
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the green goblin costume needs more nipple

Don't worry about it. Didn't you see that shot in the trailer, where Kirsten Dunst has a wet t-shirt? There's a whole wet t-shirt sequence, and the Green Goblin is involved. Wet nipple-showing t-shirts really bring in the teen demographics.
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« Reply #36 on: 05-03-2002 03:48 »
« Last Edit on: 05-03-2002 03:48 »

I think FF is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, the ultimate testimony to how far CGI can carry a movie without story; only as far as the box-office crapper.

Jar Jar! Throughout Phantom, I was saying to myself "Jeez, this guy sucks"--not "What a lousy effect." Afterwards, I realized: in that respect, Jar Jar is the best thing in the movie. Brr.

Indeed, the Goblin pic I put up is--obviously, as a still--CGI. My point was that the design can look quite awesome when the character's in action--rather than when the actor's standing around waiting for the cameras to roll. The face of the mask is freakin' scary; the mask of the comic character is not only goofy, it's impossible to adequately translate to live-action. The "homemade costume" still posted thereafter is probably as good as it can be made; you can't have the comic version's false "eyes" combined with a skintight mouth area. And remind yourselves: PURPLE BOOTIES. Hell-looooooo sailor!! If the trailers are any indication, Gob's not going to see standing still very often, and that's a good thing no matter what he's wearing.

It's the same principle as a (good) Godzilla suit: it looks like crap in stills, but in action onscreen, you might forget, for a beautiful second, that it's just a dude in a suit. (Hopefully, the recent hit Gojira-Mosura-King Ghidora: Daikaiju Soukougeki will be released in the US soon, and you can see what I mean. This doesn't apply to the really cruddy suits in films like Godzilla vs Megalon.)

We've seen a fat Joker, a senior-citizen Magneto, a slimy, cursing Penguin, an Italian Red Skull, a surfer-dude Thor, Captain America with a motorcycle helmet and see-through shield, an early-teen Rogue, a ninja Daredevil, John Ryhs-Davies as The Kingpin, Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl as Alfred's niece, and Ah-nold as Mr. Freeze. The Green Goblin seems to hardly be such a great sin in that light. Frankly, dressing the X-Men in black leather and losing the Bat-Bloomers are major plusses on my scorecard.

Comic-book supergoofs get the damndest costumes. A popular hero from the 40s, The Spectre, was a ghost who ran around righting wrongs with dead-white "skin"--he was a ghost, after all--and green swim trunks, plus little green gloves and elf boots like Robin used to wear. When they updated him for the New Millenium, they patterned his new look on an earlier Green Lantern outfit--but the mismatched colors make it look like he's wearing a WOMAN's bathing suit. Yeah, that's a step up...   roll eyes
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« Reply #37 on: 05-03-2002 22:34 »
« Last Edit on: 05-04-2002 00:00 by Kryten »

Just saw it
thought it was good

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« Reply #38 on: 05-04-2002 18:00 »

I think something's replacing "A.I." as my favorite movie...  wink
Well, what can I say?  I LOVED it!  It was well-worth the price of admission and standing in line for half an hour.  The special effects were awesome, the humorous moments were great ("Go web!&quot wink, MJ and Peter satisfied my romantic thirst  love  and all in all, it was absolutely wonderful.
However, I did have a little moment of embarressment...
Ah, well.  It was a fun ride, anyway.  At least I got my Tobey MaGuire fix.  flirt   I so wish I was Kirsten Dunst...  love   love

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« Reply #39 on: 05-04-2002 23:31 »

I just read that Spider Man did 41 million dollars in its first day breaking Harry Potter's record.
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