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cyber_turnip

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« Reply #120 on: 10-26-2011 02:35 »

It was an improvement over the premiere, but it still sucks compared to every episode in season 1.

The problem is that now the show just seems to be 35 minutes of nothing happening with 5 minutes of zombies in the middle and a really tacked on "OMFG CLIFFHANGER!" ending now. And the acting all seems so melodramatic all of a sudden.
Maybe I'm just remembering season 1 better than it was and the show's always been nothing special.
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« Reply #121 on: 10-26-2011 02:37 »

The comics often had long stretches of nothing happening at all, they're mainly about the suspense of anything can happen at any time, but will it and if so, when?

The show needs to bring that paranoia feeling over a bit better.
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« Reply #122 on: 10-26-2011 12:15 »

That's my major complaint about this show, too much survivors, not enough zombies. And a lot of the survivors really piss me off. Hint hint, that woman with barely any hair and had an abusive husband. (Dunno names, I'm not a HUGE fan of the show, my Mum and Brother watch it, I just listen in and stuff)
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« Reply #123 on: 10-26-2011 15:47 »

The comics often had long stretches of nothing happening at all, they're mainly about the suspense of anything can happen at any time, but will it and if so, when?

The show needs to bring that paranoia feeling over a bit better.

No, they didn't. The comics always had something going on even if it was just two characters getting pissed off with eachother or something 'human' like that.
The last two episodes of the show have only had about 20 minutes worth of things hapenning (zombie action AND character interaction) and they've padded that out with another 25 minutes of actual nothing.
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« Reply #124 on: 10-26-2011 17:21 »

You know who likes sitting in church?? Zombies!! #WalkingDead #shitshow

I agree with this.
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« Reply #125 on: 10-26-2011 18:05 »
« Last Edit on: 10-26-2011 18:07 »

The comics often had long stretches of nothing happening at all, they're mainly about the suspense of anything can happen at any time, but will it and if so, when?

The show needs to bring that paranoia feeling over a bit better.

No, they didn't. The comics always had something going on even if it was just two characters getting pissed off with eachother or something 'human' like that.
The last two episodes of the show have only had about 20 minutes worth of things hapenning (zombie action AND character interaction) and they've padded that out with another 25 minutes of actual nothing.

Really? I mean, I have a pretty good sense of what "nothing" is when it comes to movies and tv shows, as I've seen quite a few that contained a lot of "nothing" (just watched one last night, Let The Right One In...good film, but very slow-paced with unnecessary atmospheric scenes with just music). And I can honestly say that nothing in the past two episodes of this show have felt like "nothing" to me. They've kept my attention the entire way through and I've always felt like something was going on. I think it would be pretty damn easy for me to notice if their had been spans of "nothing".

So either you have really very little patience for anything that doesn't have an explosion or someone getting killed every five seconds, or you're simply not watching the same show I am.
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« Reply #126 on: 10-26-2011 18:16 »

Hah, I watched the same movie last night, Josh. The original version of course, hope you did too.
And I didn't feel like long stretches of nothing happened in that movie either.

But I agree with you, there aren't really any long stretches of nothing at all happening in the show. Sure, there is the slow pace, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.


Maybe people are too used to having explosions and big scenes every few seconds, I dunno. I have no problem watching a whole movie where "nothing" happens for 2 hours, and then it is over. If done right, why not?

In TWD these long stretches of slow pace add well to the atmosphere of the show I think, as it does in the comic.




And Danny:, first of all, too many survivors? You should read the comics, there are parts where you have HUGE groups of survivors and no zombies or just very few comics if at all.
And just look at the 1st 2 episode of Season 2 now. Big zombie group walking down the road, adding great suspense to whether or not the survivors will be found and killed, then again a few single walkers in the woods. And of course the huge group going into episode 3.
Secondly, it's explained well in the comics, Zombies stay wherever they are and just walk if they find find, or hear noises. Or of course if one starts moving others just follow, creating the walker groups.
So no problem with zombies sitting in a church or other buildings, it makes perfect sense.




Also what people seem to forget, it's not a show only based on killing and avoiding zombies, but about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world. Finding a group to survive with, trusting and mistrusting others, finding food, shelter and other necessaries, finding a way to survive.
A small part is also about avoiding and killing the zombies, but those are just the driving force behind it all, not the means to fill every second.
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« Reply #127 on: 10-26-2011 18:30 »
« Last Edit on: 10-26-2011 18:48 »

Everything Bend-err just said and more. If there were crazy things happening all the time in this show it would have no suspense, no sense of pacing. It's true that the show pads out the sections where there's no action. But it doesn't pad them out with nothing, it pads them out with STORY...you know, that thing you need to have to progress the actual plot. The action alone can't do that, and if every episode was just 40 minutes of straight action, we'd all get tired of the show really quickly.

And seriously, how can anybody be complaining about there not being enough zombies? There was the huge horde in the first episode that took up pretty much the whole first act, then there were all the ones in the woods (the scene where Rick kills the zombies with the rock is a favorite, the faces he makes are hilarious), then the zombies in the church and...wait a second...WHEN THE FUCK AREN'T THERE ZOMBIES?!?! I'm serious, at least in the first episode, the show doesn't go any more than ten minutes without some sort of zombie killing, and you guys are complaining about not enough zombies?! I have an idea, why don't we just make zombies the main characters then? Forget live humans, who needs them!

I have no problem with anybody not liking the last two episodes, in fact I myself didn't think they held up to the quality of any in the first season (although I did enjoy them). But the things you guys are criticizing it for don't make any sense whatsoever.
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« Reply #128 on: 10-26-2011 18:47 »

So no problem with zombies sitting in a church or other buildings, it makes perfect sense.

I don't think so. I'd expect them to be up against the doors/walls, groaning and looking for food/a way out. Or maybe just lying down from not feeding in a while.
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« Reply #129 on: 10-26-2011 18:50 »

Okay, so they can be lying down from not being able to find food...but not sitting. Sitting is where you draw the line. THEY'RE ZOMBIES! HOW DOES THEY SIT??
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« Reply #130 on: 10-26-2011 18:54 »

Well yeah they can sit, but I wouldn't expect them to be that still.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #131 on: 10-26-2011 18:57 »
« Last Edit on: 10-26-2011 18:59 »

Meh. Just seems like useless nitpicking.

I'll agree with you about the short-haired woman with the daughter, though. I don't HATE her, but she's probably my least favorite character/actor on the show currently. Here's hoping she gets eaten soon.
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« Reply #132 on: 10-26-2011 18:59 »

Actually, the weirder part about the church scene, is how did they get in there in the first place?  The doors are completely shut, yet there are 3 zombies sitting there who used to be people and got infected somehow.  I have very few qualms with zombies sitting in a church, but like I said, the way the scene was set up begs the question of how they got there in the first place.
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« Reply #133 on: 10-26-2011 19:00 »

Someone trying to escape from them shut them in there would be my first guess.
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« Reply #134 on: 10-26-2011 19:00 »

Danny: READ THE COMIC!

Seriously, there are Zombies in there just sitting, lying or standing around, because they have no reason to move.
Zombies don't normally actively search for humans in the TWD canon, they only try to kill them if they find them by chance.

winna: Zombies get in, bite a few people, others kill the zombies, leave the bitten alone and escape, close the door. Once the bitten turn they just stay in their sitting position.
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« Reply #135 on: 10-26-2011 19:07 »
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Danny: READ THE COMIC!

But they're almost up to issue #90! frown

Actually, the weirder part about the church scene, is how did they get in there in the first place?  The doors are completely shut, yet there are 3 zombies sitting there who used to be people and got infected somehow.  I have very few qualms with zombies sitting in a church, but like I said, the way the scene was set up begs the question of how they got there in the first place.

One or two or all of them got bit, decided not to tell the others/each other, hid out in the church, got infected.
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« Reply #136 on: 10-26-2011 19:17 »

Alright, fair enough responses.  I suppose there is a plausible solution involving infected humans who decided to wait their time out with God.

I'll watch the second episode later then I suppose.
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« Reply #137 on: 10-26-2011 19:19 »

The comics often had long stretches of nothing happening at all, they're mainly about the suspense of anything can happen at any time, but will it and if so, when?

The show needs to bring that paranoia feeling over a bit better.

No, they didn't. The comics always had something going on even if it was just two characters getting pissed off with eachother or something 'human' like that.
The last two episodes of the show have only had about 20 minutes worth of things hapenning (zombie action AND character interaction) and they've padded that out with another 25 minutes of actual nothing.

Really? I mean, I have a pretty good sense of what "nothing" is when it comes to movies and tv shows, as I've seen quite a few that contained a lot of "nothing" (just watched one last night, Let The Right One In...good film, but very slow-paced with unnecessary atmospheric scenes with just music). And I can honestly say that nothing in the past two episodes of this show have felt like "nothing" to me. They've kept my attention the entire way through and I've always felt like something was going on. I think it would be pretty damn easy for me to notice if their had been spans of "nothing".

So either you have really very little patience for anything that doesn't have an explosion or someone getting killed every five seconds, or you're simply not watching the same show I am.

I think we have different definitions as I wouldn't consider 'Let the Right One In' to be full of nothing, at all. Every scene is important in some way. Most of the last two episodes of 'The Walking Dead' have felt like padding to me.
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« Reply #138 on: 10-26-2011 19:49 »

Good News Everyone!


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AMC renews 'The Walking Dead' for season 3
In a move I would dub a no-brainer even if the show didn't involve zombies, AMC has renewed "The Walking Dead" for a third season.

More than 7 million people watched the season 2 premiere, and nearly 5 million of those were in the adults 18-49 demographic, both enormous numbers for a scripted basic cable drama. The second episode averaged 6.7 million viewers for its first airing, with more than 4.5 million 18-49 viewers.

"The Walking Dead" was subject to lots of bad news in the off-season, as executive producer Frank Darabont either quit or was fired, depending on whom you believed, and stories ran about AMC cutting the budget on its biggest hit ever. (AMC executives insisted that the per-episode budget wouldn't be that different, and that the decrease reflected the high cost of the series pilot, which Darabont wrote and directed.)

But good numbers make all the bad news go away pretty easily for AMC.

Darabont left midway through the season, so the two episodes that have aired so far were produced on his watch. AMC is splitting this season in two, with roughly half the episodes airing now and the other half starting in early 2012.

“We are thankful for everyone’s contribution in front of and behind the camera as we continue to make ‘The Walking Dead’ a unique television experience," AMC president Charlie Collier said in a statement. "And, we are so proud as it continues to set viewership records around the
FishyJoe

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« Reply #139 on: 10-27-2011 03:49 »

Everything Bend-err just said and more. If there were crazy things happening all the time in this show it would have no suspense, no sense of pacing. It's true that the show pads out the sections where there's no action. But it doesn't pad them out with nothing, it pads them out with STORY...you know, that thing you need to have to progress the actual plot. The action alone can't do that, and if every episode was just 40 minutes of straight action, we'd all get tired of the show really quickly.

Just because people feel like the show moves too slowly doesn't mean they are idiots who want nothing but explosions every five seconds.

The comic does a great job of balancing story/character with zombie action. The show does zombie action extremely well, but the characters are trite (for the most part). It's not that I don't like slowing down to get to know the characters better. In general, that's a great idea--like you said, it would be boring if it were nothing but zombie scares--but when it's done this poorly, I see why people get bored and want to move on to the next zombie attack.

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And seriously, how can anybody be complaining about there not being enough zombies? There was the huge horde in the first episode that took up pretty much the whole first act, then there were all the ones in the woods (the scene where Rick kills the zombies with the rock is a favorite, the faces he makes are hilarious), then the zombies in the church and...wait a second...WHEN THE FUCK AREN'T THERE ZOMBIES?!?! I'm serious, at least in the first episode, the show doesn't go any more than ten minutes without some sort of zombie killing, and you guys are complaining about not enough zombies?! I have an idea, why don't we just make zombies the main characters then? Forget live humans, who needs them!

Haha. I agree with this point. Even though I personally get bored/frustrated with the lame-o non-zombie scenes, I would say that there has been plenty enough zombie action so far this season.

Also, Hershel is pretty awesome. I dig the actor playing him.
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« Reply #140 on: 10-27-2011 08:20 »

Regarding page three of this thread, you people make me ashamed to call myself a Nerdlinger.
winna

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« Reply #141 on: 10-27-2011 10:07 »

Episode two seemed a significant improvement of the premier to be honest.  I think the problem with this show is that it lacks enough character development.  They kill off characters without me knowing why I should care, and then they introduce a bunch of characters for one or two episodes.

I think I've boiled it down to the fact that this show needs more flashbacks; no flash forwards though (that's bullshit).  Episode 2 started with a flashback, kind of like the first episode of the series.  More of this and I'll be happy and the show will be better.  Copy off of Lost; no flash forwards though!
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« Reply #142 on: 10-27-2011 16:24 »
« Last Edit on: 10-27-2011 16:27 »

The very first segment of the whole series was a flash forward (where Rick shoots the little girl zombie at the gas station). I wonder if we'll ever find out where that fits in. Was it implied that it was supposed to have happened after he first left his hometown to head to Atlanta (sometime around where he found the house with the whole family who'd killed themselves)? Or was it just an extra scene they shot that they didn't actually know how to fit into the story, so they just stuck it there because it seemed like a good intro scene?
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« Reply #143 on: 10-27-2011 18:10 »

I love the #futurama fans but they can be seriously mean when they want to be. That's the last time I look at a fan forum.

@Kitchelfilms Which forum?

@DannyJC13 the Peelified page, particularly the walking dead discussion.

Nice going, guys. no no
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« Reply #144 on: 10-27-2011 18:11 »

Who is Kitchelfilms?  And where is this #futurama???
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« Reply #145 on: 10-27-2011 18:13 »

Who is Kitchelfilms?  And where is this #futurama???
That's Eric Rogers :-(
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« Reply #146 on: 10-27-2011 18:13 »

Kitchelfilms is Eric Rogers, the guy Josh and Bend-err were raging at on the other page.
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« Reply #147 on: 10-27-2011 18:27 »

Who is Kitchelfilms?  And where is this #futurama???
That's Eric Rogers :-(

Are you Eric Rogers too?

Kitchelfilms is Eric Rogers, the guy Josh and Bend-err were raging at on the other page.

That was taken out of context.  I have no idea why you were linking Eric Rogers' negative opinion of this show in this thread. roll eyes
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« Reply #148 on: 10-27-2011 18:30 »

Because this is a Futurama based forum. Filled with assholes.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #149 on: 10-27-2011 18:34 »
« Last Edit on: 10-27-2011 18:40 »

How the heck did he get to this page? By chance? Does he read this forum more regularly than he's letting on in that twitter post? Or did you point him here for some reason, Danny?

Honestly, I do actually feel really bad about him reading the comment I made...that's certainly not something I would want to read about myself, what I do for a living and am passionate about. If anybody can figure out a way to send him some sort of message (because I'm not having much luck) could they let me know? Like an e-mail or something?

But Danny, if you think everyone here is assholes, why don't you, oh, I don't know...find a different forum to post on?
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« Reply #150 on: 10-27-2011 18:37 »

Are you Eric Rogers too?
No, I'm Buddy13 of the Infosphere. Though I am the only one I'm aware of that has a member of the Futurama staff following me back on Twitter. Eric Rogers is awesome, and most of all, he's human. I know that's hard to see when you only see a name in the credits. But you people could've disagreed with his opinions without resorting to personal attacks. That was low.

And no, Danny didn't point him here, someone else did. I can't remember who off the top of my head.
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« Reply #151 on: 10-27-2011 18:37 »
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Nope, he just happened to come on here to check things out. Oh, what Buddy said, according to him. tongue

But Danny, if you think everyone here is assholes, why don't you, oh, I don't know...find a different forum to post on?

Because I'm not going to be forced away from here by bullies and people who think they are better than everyone else. If I leave, they win. Because they want me to leave. So I put up with it, because I'm not stooping to a level where I am pushed around on here, as well as in real life.
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« Reply #152 on: 10-27-2011 18:41 »
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That's not a very good reason to do that.  You basically took someone else's conversation out of context and then placed into another conversation.  I'm just saying that that's not very good etiquette in general.  It'd be like if you and I had a conversation on another message board about our bowel movements, and then I serendipitously decided to share parts of that conversation with everyone here in a semi-related thread.  Given the relative negative reaction that Eric had for the episode, I'm not surprised at the negative responses that everyone had for the opinion you shared.  The worst part about the whole thing is that Eric Rogers was never given the chance to argue his opinion with any of those people unless Eric Rogers is secretly Buddy13.  Those negative responses were mostly because people were offended that somebody (you) shared somebody else's (Buddy13) negative opinion about a show they liked.  Had you instead stated your own opinion about the show, we could all discuss and argue about that until we found common ground.

Anyways, I don't hate you DannyJC13, I'm just saying all of this seems rather expected when you think about it in simplistic terms.

* winna shrugs and floats away

Edit: I'd also prefer if you didn't leave over something stupid like this.  However, saying that we're a forum full of assholes seems a bit much.  Or are we..?  Hrmm.....

* winna looks at his hands and floats away again
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« Reply #153 on: 10-27-2011 18:42 »
« Last Edit on: 10-27-2011 18:44 »

I love the #futurama fans but they can be seriously mean when they want to be. That's the last time I look at a fan forum.

@Kitchelfilms Which forum?

@DannyJC13 the Peelified page, particularly the walking dead discussion.

Nice going, guys. no no

...

After reviewing page 3 of this thread, I have concluded he was referring to Bend-err.

Yup. Bend-err.

Also perhaps Josh.

Definitely not me. I'm never mean... shifty
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« Reply #154 on: 10-27-2011 18:44 »

Those negative responses were mostly because people were offended that somebody (you) shared somebody else's (Buddy13) negative opinion about a show they liked.
Correction: I'm not Eric Rogers.
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« Reply #155 on: 10-27-2011 18:44 »
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Because I'm not going to be forced away from here by bullies and people who think they are better than everyone else. If I leave, they win. Because they want me to leave. So I put up with it, because I'm not stooping to a level where I am pushed around on here, as well as in real life.

I can SORT OF understand that sentiment, but mostly it just doesn't make any sense. It's like if there's a group of people in real life that don't like you at all, and you just keep hanging out with them because you know they don't like you and you're not going to let them decide whether or not you should be able to be their friends or not.

I personally have no issue with whether you stay or not, as long as you follow the rules and aren't a dick to people. But to stick around when you think everyone is assholes and you're not getting anything out of it...what's in it for you other than the slight satisfaction you get from your perception that you're not letting yourself be pushed around? Doesn't seem worth the time you could be spending doing something you enjoy more.

By all means, stick around if you enjoy being here. But telling people that they're all assholes and that you don't like them isn't going to make them want to change their opinions about you.
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« Reply #156 on: 10-27-2011 18:44 »

I posted his opinions because he's involved with Futurama and it's interesting to see what the staff think about other shows.
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« Reply #157 on: 10-27-2011 18:46 »
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Those negative responses were mostly because people were offended that somebody (you) shared somebody else's (Buddy13) negative opinion about a show they liked.
Correction: I'm not Eric Rogers.

Damn it!  I was kind of hoping you were. frown

P.S. If you actually are Eric Rogers... shifty ...I really liked that Zoidberg line at the end of Silence of the Clamps!
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« Reply #158 on: 10-27-2011 18:47 »

I posted his opinions because he's involved with Futurama and it's interesting to see what the staff think about other shows.
Exactly. I can see where that is coming from. This thread is located on a FUTURAMA website and is about Walking Dead. Is it so wrong to assume you guys might want to know what an actual Futurama staffer thinks of the show?

And jeez, he was only talking about the first ep. The next week he said that ep2 was "what this show should be"
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« Reply #159 on: 10-27-2011 18:51 »

Why would we need the opinion of random Futurama stuff on every other topic? If we really wanted to know we could seek such opinion out, and believe it or not, it's not hard to find other people's twitter accounts, especially rather known people.

And even worse, if you really wanna add other people's opinion at least include your own too. Had Danny at least stated what his opinion on the episode was then no one would have cared, but no, he can't do that.
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