Futurama   Planet Express Employee Lounge
The Futurama Message Board

Design and Support by Can't get enough Futurama
Help Search Futurama chat Login Register

PEEL - The Futurama Message Board    It's got a TV!    At Least It Doesn't Suck As Much As The Cleveland Show: FAMILY GUY! « previous next »
Author Topic: At Least It Doesn't Suck As Much As The Cleveland Show: FAMILY GUY!  (Read 18776 times)
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 [16] Print
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #600 on: 09-30-2014 23:58 »

I actually really enjoyed the chicken fight quite a bit. It worked as a good excuse to show a whole lot of Springfield in a short time and for the animation to go absolutely batshit insane, and I was thoroughly entertained. That said, the entire bit at the end of it (everything after they fell into Springfield Gorge) was pretty unnecessary and dragged. Other than that last part though, I'm not quite sure why so many people seemed to hate it.

I definitely agree that the car wash scene was cringworthy though, a totally pointless and stupid montage that wasted time.
Beamer

DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #601 on: 10-01-2014 06:43 »

I watched out of morbid curiosity and, while it wasn't as god-awful as I was expecting it to be, it still wasn't good. Most of the Simpsons characters were turned into Family Guy versions of themselves, which resulted in Family Guy falling back on its usual crutch of characters just saying/doing needlessly offensive things in lieu of actual jokes. Stewie kidnapping a bunch of Springfield residents for Bart to torture, Meg carving Lisa's name into her arm, etc. just went too far. Not to mention Homer quite happily beating a man to near death while killing multiple people in the process... I know that's FG's usual schtick, but they really should've toned it down while occupying the Springfield universe. That's just fucking lazy writing.

BEST BITS:
The whole Pawtucket Patriot/Duff bit, and the entire courtroom scene that followed. I've gotta admit, that was genuinely hilarious.
The air force cutaway was pretty funny too, though neither show can legitimately take a shot at Bobs Burgers right now, given that the average Bob's Burgers episode shits all over just about everything either show has put out in the past decade (I realise the joke was specifically about the show's ratings, but still).
I think there were some other times I laughed, but I can't remember any specific bits. It was better than the actual Simpsons episode that aired on the same night, at least.

WORST BITS:
As already mentioned by myself and others, the chicken fight. The car wash scene was unnecessary and unfunny, but didn't upset me on the same level that the chicken fight did. That was genuinely painful to watch.
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #602 on: 10-01-2014 08:14 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2014 08:23 »

Nobody has really gone into detail on why they didn't like the chicken fight. I can see that maybe they thought it was over-the-top. Personally though, I just took the whole thing as the clearly non-canon eye candy it was meant to be. Everything from them turning into superhumans at the nuclear plant to ending up on Kang and Kodos' ship (with the Roger cameo) to jumping into the gorge was a whole lot of stupid fun to watch. Like I said, the excessive gore at the end took it too far, but for the rest I don't see what was so offensive about it.

though neither show can legitimately take a shot at Bobs Burgers right now, given that the average Bob's Burgers episode shits all over just about everything either show has put out in the past decade (I realise the joke was specifically about the show's ratings, but still).

I read an interview about the crossover with Groening and McFarlane where they both expressed their adoration for Bob's Burgers. So I doubt the joke was that ill-intentioned.
Beamer

DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #603 on: 10-01-2014 09:02 »

Nobody has really gone into detail on why they didn't like the chicken fight.

Because Homer Simpson is not a violent psychopath who kills people. Simple as that. And I don't care that it's non-canon, it was unpleasant to watch and they shouldn't have fucking done it. I'm astounded that Matt Groening, Al Jean and the like signed off on that (along with the other jokes I mentioned, and the implication that Bart was sexually accosted at his camp).
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #604 on: 10-01-2014 09:06 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2014 09:18 »

I found it very pleasant to watch. Let's fight about it extremely violently!

Seriously though, I took it the same way as I would a chicken fight in a normal Family Guy episode...it's meant to be intentionally over-the-top, unrealistic, off-tone and out-of-character compared to the rest of the episode. So whether the characters would have acted a certain way wasn't something I even thought about. It was Family Guy bringing the convention of a chicken fight to Springfield, and they've deliberately shown before that in the chicken fights all rules and logic are thrown out the window, whether or not the episode it's in was already non-canon or not.

I guess I just fundamentally don't understand the criticism.
Beamer

DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #605 on: 10-01-2014 09:54 »

I understand that it's Family Guy sensibilities, my argument is that they shouldn't have approached this particular episode with Family Guy sensibilities in the first place. If they wanted to have an epic scene in which most of Springfield got destroyed, that's totally cool - it can be done without showing characters dying, or depicting a beloved cartoon character as a blood-thirtsy maniac in the process. Things like rape and extreme violence have no place in the Simpsons universe and the FG writers shouldn't have gone to those wells while they were in the Simpsons universe. I don't really see how else I can articulate it without repeating myself, but it seems like a pretty basic argument to me.

On a side note, I should add that it's been a really long time since I've watched Family Guy (I quit after Patriot Games, at which point I think the show only had 2 chicken fights under its belt)... When did Brian become as fucking insufferable as he was in this episode? He used to be the one character I actually liked. hmpf
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #606 on: 10-01-2014 23:23 »

I enjoyed the chicken fight because it was full of gags. It wasn't just 100% fighting with no jokes. The Emmys gag, for example, was great.

As for Homer being too violent, he pretty much did the exact same thing with Tom in "Brother From the Same Planet". Yeah, it was far more "realistic" than in Family Guy, but that's because it was The Simpsons, not Family Guy.

I don't really have an issue with the characters being "Family Guy versions" of themselves given that it was, ultimately, an episode of Family Guy.
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #607 on: 10-01-2014 23:47 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2014 23:49 »

Agreed. There were a few times that the Simpsons being Family-Guyed was upsetting, but only because it didn't work comedically. For example, the idea of Bart being molested for the purpose of a joke by itself didn't bother me at all; that said, the joke wasn't worded or delivered well and so the execution came off as awkward and unfunny.

There were a few times they really nailed the Simpsons as characters as well though, although to be fair I don't know if that's due to the Simpsons writers' involvement or not. Marge was criminally underused in the crossover, but the joke about covering her eyes during the movie she saw with Lois was very much in character. And Homer's line I mentioned earlier about charging the thief for the car wash was probably the best simple one-liner in the whole episode.
SolidSnake

Professor
*
« Reply #608 on: 10-15-2014 03:54 »

I actually liked the crossover episode. It wasn't the best thing ever or anything like that, but it was at an 8/10 enjoyable level for me.

Only thing that really killed it, were poor jokes like "beating a cat" or pretty much anything with New Family Guy-related humor. The rest, was pretty much good but not great. I did not like the car-wash montage at ALL though.....

And I didn't mind the big chicken fight between Homer and Peter at all, the constant references and gags more than made up for it. Although I wish they could have composed a different theme for it instead of just reusing the chicken fight theme....... I mean no wonder Family Guy is more dead than The Simpsons.... this is a super special crossover (for them anyways) and don't you think you should put a shit-ton of effort into it rather then just in the script? :/ Oh well...

All in all, I enjoyed it. Nothing spectacular but worth a watch on a boring Saturday night I suppose.
DannyJC13

DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #609 on: 10-15-2014 12:19 »

I mean no wonder Family Guy is more dead than The Simpsons....

I think you got those two mixed up. tongue
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #610 on: 10-15-2014 17:41 »

Ya, I was gonna say something, but I guess it's a matter of opinion. I think Beamer joins him in people who think new Family Guy is worse than new Simpsons.
Beamer

DOOP Secretary
*
« Reply #611 on: 10-15-2014 18:11 »

Ya, I was gonna say something, but I guess it's a matter of opinion. I think Beamer joins him in people who think new Family Guy is worse than new Simpsons.

New Simpsons = Aggressively mediocre (I believe I've used that term here to describe the show before, but it's accurate)
New Family Guy = Just plain bad
JoshTheater

Space Pope
****
« Reply #612 on: 10-15-2014 18:30 »
« Last Edit on: 10-15-2014 18:37 »

And personally I would reverse those descriptions. New Simpsons is far worse than mediocre these days, and I don't say that just out of nostalgia. It really seems as if the writers have no concept of what humor is at all. It's completely awkward and cringeworthy and I can't stand it for more than bits at a time. It feels like the exact opposite of the show it used to be.

Meanwhile, Family Guy certainly isn't good these days and has its moments of complete and utter awfulness, but it still manages to maintain its signature tone and pacing to an extent. The jokes might not be anywhere near as good as they used to be, but the show still feels somewhat true to itself, while current Simpsons feels like an entirely different, completely unwatchable show.

Overall, current Family Guy episodes tend to manage a laugh from me far more frequently than Simpsons can, if Simpsons even can at all.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #613 on: 10-15-2014 18:45 »

Yeah, I find almost every modern episode of The Simpsons to be offensively and aggressively unfunny and poorly plotted and usually pretty uninteresting. The few episodes that aren't are usually on the bad end of mediocre with some horribly unfunny gags that I have to just ignore.

Family Guy, on the other hand, still produces a handful of decent episodes every season and most episodes are still pretty amusing, even if they're little more than throw-away, fluff entertainment. It's far from high-art, but it's about 15 leagues removed from the state that The Simpsons is currently in.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #614 on: 11-19-2015 23:15 »

So, season 14 so far is fairly uninteresting. None of it has been awful but none of it has been anything more than the show's average, mediocre by their standards but amusing and entertaining all the same kind of thing.

Does anyone know if they have any gimmicky episodes coming up? They tend to be the ones where they put the effort in. The last particularly great episode was the crossover with The Simpsons, for example.
Chris9000

Delivery Boy
**
« Reply #615 on: 12-06-2016 19:12 »

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that this show is widely hated around here too.

Does anyone know if they have any gimmicky episodes coming up? They tend to be the ones where they put the effort in. The last particularly great episode was the crossover with The Simpsons, for example.

Depends on what you mean by gimmick, but they're currently working on an episode where Meg comes out as gay, though I'm pretty sure they said it's far from finished so I'm not sure how far into it they are. Also a three parter where Brian gets chased out of down.
tyraniak

Urban Legend
***
« Reply #616 on: 12-07-2016 02:29 »

I don't hate it, I just completely gave up on it quite some time ago and I think a lot of people have too
Chris9000

Delivery Boy
**
« Reply #617 on: 12-07-2016 09:10 »

Bummer. Season 13 and 14 has been a huge rise what with episodes like Take My Wife, A Lot Going On Upstairs, Peternormal Activity etc.
winna

Avatar Czar
DOOP Ubersecretary
**
« Reply #618 on: 12-07-2016 09:28 »

They still make episodes?  I originally liked it, then hated the bandwagon, now can watch old episodes when they come on.  I don't watch new tv much, but I still like having cartoons on sometimes.
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 [16] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF | SMF © 2006, Simple Machines | some icons from famfamfam
Legal Notice & Disclaimer: "Futurama" TM and copyright FOX, its related entities and the Curiosity Company. All rights reserved. Any reproduction, duplication or distribution of these materials in any form is expressly prohibited. As a fan site, this Futurama forum, its operators, and any content on the site relating to "Futurama" are not explicitely authorized by Fox or the Curiosity Company.
Page created in 0.138 seconds with 17 queries.