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PEE Poll: Which format do you like the best?
Beta   -2 (9.1%)
VHS   -3 (13.6%)
Laserdisc   -1 (4.5%)
DVD   -10 (45.5%)
HD-DVD   -1 (4.5%)
Blu-Ray   -5 (22.7%)
Total Voters: 22

Jezzem

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« Reply #40 on: 09-21-2010 09:50 »

Someone could make one that is just as good as blue ray, but then all the movie corporations would pissed. They would start sucking on their thumbs and praying to satan. All because there poor baby Blue Rays are not selling. Boo frickedy hooo.

No, they couldn't. You can upscale a DVD into HD the same as you can upscale a PS1 game into HD on a PS3 but that doesn't change the fact that the video quality on the disc isn't true HD. Either way, the quality of the video on the bluray disc is better than the quality of the video on the DVD.
chay´s head

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« Reply #41 on: 09-21-2010 10:27 »

It's also to do with the amount of data a bluray holds and the bitrate of the mpeg on the disc, and the width of the laser in the player.

Bluray pretty much is just a HD DVD. Same basic technology with the necessary upgrades to make it pretty.
Svip

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« Reply #42 on: 09-21-2010 10:48 »

Someone could make one that is just as good as blue ray, but then all the movie corporations would pissed. They would start sucking on their thumbs and praying to satan. All because there poor baby Blue Rays are not selling. Boo frickedy hooo.

No, they really couldn't.  DVDs are physically limited in quality.  The technology that Blu-Ray uses (or HD DVD uses) is vastly different than a DVD.  If you were to have HD on a DVD in Blu-Ray quality, it would no longer be a DVD.
Bend-err

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« Reply #43 on: 09-21-2010 11:34 »

bluray has other advantages over dvd, pop-ip menus, picture in picture commentary.
Gopher

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« Reply #44 on: 09-21-2010 17:27 »
« Last Edit on: 09-21-2010 17:31 »

not seen anything use the pip commentary feature, but the pop-up menus I've seen seem pretty stupid so far.

As for bluray sales, dvd is still dominant and will continue to be for a while. For as long as possible they're gonna keep milking the willing for the extra $5+ over the dvd versions, and later, when the market finally shifts away from dvds enough, the publishers will already have much their libraries converted over to bluray, with the early adopters and their extra $5 a pop having subsidized the cost of the conversion for everyone else.

It's win-win!

:edit: random bluray comment... while in line the other day I saw in the discount/impulse shelves the classic epic about arm-wrestling truckers "Over the Top" on bluray. I assume stallone has some deal that required updating his crappy films along with the more popular ones; clearly nobody was buying it, as it had been marked down to $6.99, making it the cheapest new bluray disk I've ever seen. I laughed my ass off though, making the people around me in line give me funny looks.
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #45 on: 09-21-2010 20:28 »

bluray has other advantages over dvd, pop-ip menus, picture in picture commentary.

So your telling me that your updating your DVD collection and buying blueray to replace your DVDs because its a little nicer. The picture quality may be better, but I fail to see the point at this place in time. Happy spending.
Bend-err

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« Reply #46 on: 09-21-2010 21:01 »

I buy both, blu and dvds.
Also: sound quality on blu is way better too.

And yes, I do notice the difference in picture and sound on my home cinema system tongue
Gopher

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« Reply #47 on: 09-21-2010 23:55 »

yeeah. Terribly lame argument, ... bigboysdontcry? seriously? whatever, anyway..

Most people I know that buy blurays still buy dvds sometimes too, and I don't know anyone who're systematically throwing out all of their dvds to buy bluray versions of their collection instead. That would just be stupid.
Bend-err

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« Reply #48 on: 09-22-2010 00:01 »

and some movies aren't even out on blu anyway.
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #49 on: 09-22-2010 01:04 »

yeeah. Terribly lame argument, ... bigboysdontcry? seriously? whatever, anyway..

Most people I know that buy blurays still buy dvds sometimes too, and I don't know anyone who're systematically throwing out all of their dvds to buy bluray versions of their collection instead. That would just be stupid.

I do not see how it was lame. I still get the same amount of entertainment from watching a dvd as i would a blueray. Hell, I still play a handfull of PS1 games. This is not because they are all pretty and sound amazing. I play them because they are great games. I do not see how I will feel better watching the same movie on blueray. So until there are no dvds being made, I will continue buying them. I guess no one owns as many dvds as I do, and feels like it was kind of a waste if I would just switch over to blueray. My understanding as well is, blueray players are crappy upconvert dvd players. If you want real quality from dvd on high def. screen, you need to get your hands on a upconvert dvd player. I have done the research, look for yourselves. My point is, if your comparing your movies, you need all the facts. Go out and buy a high rated upconvert dvd player, and you will notice the difference between playing dvds on your blueray player. I understand that is an indisputable fact that blueray is better. Not enough to make me care, is my point. Until they come out with something that will really blow my socks off I say good day to blueray. Think about it, going from VHS to DVD was huge difference. Dvd to blueray, please, your kidding yourselves.
Bend-err

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« Reply #50 on: 09-22-2010 01:07 »

i don't see how you can be more entertained by a dvd than by a vhs or beta, why not stick to that?
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #51 on: 09-22-2010 01:22 »
« Last Edit on: 09-22-2010 01:24 »

For one reason I am not 35(there is nothing wrong with being 35, just pointing that I am in the young adult age area), and I grew up when dvds were coming out. At least at a point in time where I cared to buy movies. Another reason, think how convenient DvDs are compared to VHS. For one crappy reason you have to rewind vhs, with dvds there is no such hassle. The dvd menu is a giant leap for mankind, no longer do I have to sift through footage I am not looking for. I just go into scene selection. A lot more material can be placed on a dvd, special features, interviews, the making of, etc. I only thing I see in favor of blueray is the ability to fit more on one disc, I do not mind switching dvds every 4 to 5 hours. Who the hell is watching that much tv anyway, and if you are go outside, and breathe. Just kidding, I watch a lot, but still every 4 to 5 hours not a big deal.

I also realize that the media which fills a dvd is not always equivalent to 5 hours or even close. They can however get about 4 hours give or take on a single disc.
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #52 on: 09-22-2010 01:22 »

Menus on both DVD and Bluray suck, I have the Bourne trilogy Blu box set and you have to navigate through so many bloody menus before you can play the actual movies, wasting valuable seconds!

Ironically, my Bluray player loads up DVD menus super fast in comparison to the Bluray equivalents... hmpf
*goes to test*
Gopher

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« Reply #53 on: 09-22-2010 01:23 »

It seems you don't know the difference between an argument and a position, bigboys... you know what, I'm just gonna call you cry. Your position is fine, cry, keep on buying dvds if you like. Your arguments against bluray in general were lame, for reasons I pointed out rather clearly I think.
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #54 on: 09-22-2010 01:31 »

I am just saying, its not that much of leap. From blueray to dvd, and I am saying I think blueray is lame. I do not think my arguments were lame whatsoever.

not seen anything use the pip commentary feature, but the pop-up menus I've seen seem pretty stupid so far.

As for bluray sales, dvd is still dominant and will continue to be for a while. For as long as possible they're gonna keep milking the willing for the extra $5+ over the dvd versions, and later, when the market finally shifts away from dvds enough, the publishers will already have much their libraries converted over to bluray, with the early adopters and their extra $5 a pop having subsidized the cost of the conversion for everyone else.

It's win-win!

:edit: random bluray comment... while in line the other day I saw in the discount/impulse shelves the classic epic about arm-wrestling truckers "Over the Top" on bluray. I assume stallone has some deal that required updating his crappy films along with the more popular ones; clearly nobody was buying it, as it had been marked down to $6.99, making it the cheapest new bluray disk I've ever seen. I laughed my ass off though, making the people around me in line give me funny looks.

I get what your saying, but I do not see how this addressed my argument. You have not said one thing, that plays antagonist to my words. Other than, my argument is lame and you pointed that out.

I will agree to disagree.
Gopher

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« Reply #55 on: 09-22-2010 01:38 »

I keep getting this feeling that there's something I should be doing... but I can't put my finger on it... oh well. Time to feed the Troll!*

You're either a complete moron (possible) or being deliberately obtuse, as the post you quoted preceded your first post in this thread and so could not, by any rational standards, be called a response.


*for best results, read this line in the voice of the guy from the duncan donuts commercial.
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #56 on: 09-22-2010 01:48 »
« Last Edit on: 09-22-2010 01:50 »

Why do you keep insulting me? I thought we are just having a conversation. I posted that quote because I am on page 1of this thread. Then when you said you pointed out what was wrong with my argument, what did you  mean. After that post, you said nothing to argue my point. Maybe you misunderstand my argument.

The argument had only just started when you made that post. After that post(quoted material of my last post above), i went into why, blueray aggravated me. That is how this whole conversation started.
Jezzem

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« Reply #57 on: 09-22-2010 03:58 »

All of your arguments on this page are pretty lame because you assume that none of us buy DVDs anymore and all we buy are Blurays, which is not true. I have a way larger DVD collection than Bluray collection, and most of the movies that I own on Bluray I also own on DVD. Just because I like Bluray (although I'd still prefer those USB drives) and didn't agree with your anti-Bluray babble on the other page doesn't mean that I only buy Bluray and never buy DVD anymore.

Also, because this kinda annoyed me:
Hell, I still play a handfull of PS1 games. This is not because they are all pretty and sound amazing. I play them because they are great games.

Yeah, I still play quite a few PS1 games (and DOS games and SNES games and Gameboy games) too, but that doesn't mean that I don't play any PS3 games just because "it's not as big of a leap" or "it seems like a waste when I have this big collection of old games."
Gopher

Fallback Guy
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« Reply #58 on: 09-22-2010 04:14 »

I still have movies on Laserdisc, heh. I know it's just a matter of time before my LD player craps out on me, and god knows if I'll be able to repair or replace it, so 2 of my favorite LDs I've bought new copies of - one on dvd, one on bluray.

Of course, the advantages of moving from LD to bluray are substantial. Like, LDs are the size of records but thicker, they weigh about a pound, and they only hold about 50 minutes to a side even in CLV (which is kindof like EP mode for vhs, higher capacity but slightly lower quality), so even with my player, which was top-of-the-line the last year they produced LD players, which can switch sides in about 8 seconds (which is impressive, when you consider that this requires the player to slowly and smoothly stop and reverse the direction of these 1 lb disks spinning from 500 rpm one direction to 500rpm in the opposite direction), longer movies still require not just two sides of one disk but multiple different disks, forcing me to switch them mid-movie.

On the other hand, they have video quality comparable to DVD, and most actually have analog audio tracks, which gives audio quality that is superior to CDs and DVDs. And since they're optical, they don't degrade like vhs did, so there's no reason my LDs won't last my lifetime.

Also, they're just awesome, though that is subjective.
Bigboysdontcry

Professor
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« Reply #59 on: 09-22-2010 04:17 »

What is LD, I am not familiar with it. Was this around before the DVD, like same time as VHS?
Gopher

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« Reply #60 on: 09-22-2010 04:22 »

Laserdisc. Originally called "discovision," first released in 1978, just two years after vhs and 4 years before CDs. They were never terribly common, at least not in the US, but they were popular enough with the hard-core film buffs - including many hollywood producers and executives - that almost all movies were released on laserdisc, and continued to be until the rise of DVD to dominance 20 years later.
M0le

Space Pope
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« Reply #61 on: 09-22-2010 09:13 »

David: The English DVDs got numbered, but rather randomly.

Huh. When did they start doing that with the DVD releases? The only numbers I can see on mine are the rating, advising me to be at least 15. Maybe they didn't bother for the releases here.
Tweek

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« Reply #62 on: 09-22-2010 10:16 »

It is only the Studio Ghibli films released by Optimum that have numbers*; none of those advise that viewers have to be 15 though; they are all rated U or PG apart from Grave of the Fireflies which is rated 12.

*At least amongst the DVDs in my collection
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #63 on: 04-24-2011 13:42 »

I like Blu-Ray the best because the picture quality is amazing, as is the sound. I remember when DVD's first came out I jumped on the bandwagon straight away and I was astounded by the picture quality. I didn't think it could get better, then I saw Blu-Ray first of all in House Of Fraser and I was blown away. Then I watched my first Blu-Ray movie "Iron Man" at a friends house and was once again amazed...

I was expecting it to highlight all the CGI effects in a bad way, but it didn't. Unfortunately when I later saw "Watchman" on Blu-ray I found the CGI did stick out like a sore thumb, but I guess that's the movies fault. Anyway, I like Blu-ray the best, but I haven't jumped on the bandwagon straight away due to money, and I know they'll get even cheaper to buy as time goes on, because DVD's have...

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