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Jarvio

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« on: 05-22-2010 21:07 »

Does anyone think Matt Groening will ever bring out a 3rd cartoon sitcom? Seth Mcfarlane has 3 now, and a 4th is currently in production. Matt Groening has only had 2. I understand that it's quality over quantity and all that, but I'm just curious, was there ever any mention of a 3rd Matt Groening cartoon?
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #1 on: 05-23-2010 02:15 »

What's this fourth cartoon Seth McFarlane is going to have?  It better not steal American Dad's thunder!  I don't think Matt will be making any new cartoons anytime soon.   Besides, if he did, it won't be as good as Futurama.
coldangel

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« Reply #2 on: 05-23-2010 03:42 »

I think he's fairly content with having the longest-running and most successful cartoon in history under his belt.
Future Shock

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« Reply #3 on: 05-23-2010 04:11 »

While Seth Macfarlane is never content.
coldangel

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« Reply #4 on: 05-23-2010 04:26 »

Except after he takes a massive shit.
Future Shock

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« Reply #5 on: 05-23-2010 04:38 »

Which he will use as the basis of his new cartoon.
Jarvio

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« Reply #6 on: 05-23-2010 11:22 »

What's this fourth cartoon Seth McFarlane is going to have?

From what I read, it will be yet again another dysfunctional family with talking pets. I don't see the point as it's the same thing over and over again. The only thing that's different is that the main character will be female (voiced by the woman that voices lois). I don't want it to happen tbh, but I guess it can't be as bad as the cleveland show
Freako

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« Reply #7 on: 05-23-2010 11:31 »

And superman is my father.
Tom-3010

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« Reply #8 on: 05-23-2010 11:51 »

i dont belive it too...
Jezzem

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« Reply #9 on: 05-23-2010 11:55 »

I second the whole not wanting the fourth Seth MacFarlane show to happen. The Seth shows should have really stopped at American Dad.
Future Shock

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« Reply #10 on: 05-23-2010 12:16 »

What? Not at Family Guy? Or before it?
Jezzem

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« Reply #11 on: 05-23-2010 12:39 »

No, not at Family Guy because American Dad is actually a good show. And not before Family Guy because Family Guy has actually been pretty good recently as well... But not as good as American Dad.
Future Shock

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« Reply #12 on: 05-23-2010 12:52 »

There's no part of that sentence I didn't like.
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« Reply #13 on: 05-23-2010 13:05 »

I agree with Jezzem here, I may not be a fan of any of Seth MacFarlane's shows, but I don't think having two shows is too much to ask for.  Perhaps I felt a little unconvinced when the formula was basically the same; a family with a talking pet.  I know, I know, there are differences, but compare The Simpsons with FuturamaVast differences!

But when I heard about The Cleveland Show coming out, I thought it was getting stupid.  And if there is coming a fourth?  Well, then it is even stupider.  It seems to me that Seth MacFarlane is only in this business to make money.  And while I can understand that this is basically an industry, I would argue that most shows have some sort of creative spark somewhere.

It is so obvious to me that Matt Groening has far more passion about Futurama and/or The Simpsons than Seth MacFarlane has towards any of his shows combined.  So if Groening really wanted to create another show, to him, it better had to be good.

Futurama was not originally created just so Groening could milk this even more.  If you look at the history of The Simpsons and Futurama, I think the origin is pretty obvious.  Groening was loosing his grip on the creativity and canon of his original show.  And the case with "A Star Is Burns" is probably one of the earliest public interests for Groening to create another show, a show he would have more creative control over.

Look at the facts, Groening created the Curiosity Company purely for production of Futurama (it has produced other stuff later on, but that was not its initial purpose), so that he could reserve the creative rights to the show entirely to him.

Now I don't know all the facts about Seth MacFarlane and his shows, mainly because I don't care, but it certainly seems to me that it is more ego and money driving than creativity.  I'd even argue that he just got lucky when he created American Dad by actually making a good version of his formula, especially one that wasn't so painfully obvious comparable to The Simpsons as Family Guy was/is.

So a third show from Groening?  I don't think so.  I think he is pretty content with Futurama returning.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #14 on: 05-23-2010 13:34 »

What was Matt Groening doing between The Devil's Hands are Idol Playthings and Bender's Big Score, I wonder?

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Freako

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« Reply #15 on: 05-23-2010 14:01 »

Sitting in the corner curled up in a ball biting his fingernails.
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« Reply #16 on: 05-23-2010 17:42 »

Or attempting to gain some more creative control over the simpsons, perhaps.

Either that or there is a chance that he spent a lot longer than we know fighting for the return of Futurama - though since I'm not one of these people that sits and makes sure I know everything about what happens at all times with my favourite shows.

I think if groening was going to produce another show, it would be interesting to see, but at the same time I don't think there would be enough going into it, we'd lose something that is there in both the simpsons and futurama. Seth McFarlane really is a money grabbing ass - but I will admit, reluctantly, that I enjoy FG at times, and I've been known to laugh at American Dad when I get around to watching it.
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« Reply #17 on: 05-23-2010 20:22 »

As annoying as Seth McFarlane is, you've got to admit that he's got drive & is creative.  And has elevendy jillion dollars in the bank...
Jezzem

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« Reply #18 on: 05-23-2010 20:47 »

No, seattlejohn. He's evil. Evil and lazy and bent on destroying TV for everyone else because I don't find Family Guy funny. And he totally lucked into getting his own animated show in the first place, whereas other people have to make animated shorts first then approached by people from TV then have to pitch a show to the network then have to make a pilot, and it's not like that's what Seth MacFarlane did, he totally just went to fox and said "I wanna make a TV show" and they were like "sure, here's a million dollars, go make whatever".

That's not what I think, but it appears to be what most people who hate Family Guy think.
Jarvio

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« Reply #19 on: 05-23-2010 21:14 »

As annoying as Seth McFarlane is, you've got to admit that he's got drive & is creative.  And has elevendy jillion dollars in the bank...

I love FG, and like American Dad, and yes, Seth has earned shit loads. However, Seth creative? Not very.
Jarvio

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« Reply #20 on: 05-23-2010 21:17 »

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Perhaps I felt a little unconvinced when the formula was basically the same; a family with a talking pet.  I know, I know, there are differences, but compare The Simpsons with FuturamaVast differences!

But when I heard about The Cleveland Show coming out, I thought it was getting stupid.  And if there is coming a fourth?  Well, then it is even stupider. 

I agree. This is what I've been saying to my friends for weeks now. Wish they'd agree with us!

Just for the record, I love FG and like AD. Cleveland show is hideous though.
Future Shock

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« Reply #21 on: 05-23-2010 23:37 »

Seth is the highest paid television writer and producer in history, and Matt Groening deserves that way more. He's not looking for more money or a house in Beverly Hills, he's got his shows and he's happy.
What's next - The Quagmire Show?
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« Reply #22 on: 05-24-2010 00:02 »

Seth is the highest paid television writer and producer in history, and Matt Groening deserves that way more. He's not looking for more money or a house in Beverly Hills, he's got his shows and he's happy.
What's next - The Quagmire Show?
Seth does three shows. Matt does two. Fox loves all three of Seth's shows. Fox loves one of Matt's shows and kinda sorta has feelings for the other. For some reason, I feel like, yes, they would pay Seth more than Matt.

And I think Fox is going to wait a little while now to let Seth's newest creation to "come to fruition" before either canning it or giving him yet another show. American Dad started off rough and now I'd say it's better than current Family Guy. The Cleveland Show was greenlit for two seasons. Another way of putting it is that it was renewed before an episode was shown. Fox isn't going to pull another Keen Eddie or Firefly. They've shown lately that they'll give a promising or fan-loved show a second season (Dollhouse, Human Target, Fringe) and see how it goes from there. I don't think Fox'll be so trigger happy to just give Seth a fourth show out of the blue, or Matt a third when he's intently working on one (or two, if people still think he's involved with The Simpsons).
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« Reply #23 on: 05-24-2010 01:16 »

Except after he takes a massive shit.

Who wouldn't be?
I.C. Weiner

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« Reply #24 on: 05-24-2010 07:08 »

The Simpsons was originally supposed to be Matt's comic strip "Life in Hell" but he didn't want to risk losing the rights to his own characters so he made up the Simpsons. I have no idea if he would do another show but he has years of strips from Life in Hell to use as material if he were so inclined. I think the strip would work well as a 15 minute show but I'm not sure that it would be edgy or strange enough for Adult Swim.
tyraniak

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« Reply #25 on: 05-25-2010 06:29 »

earlier life in hell sketches sd a lot of profanity, it would probably better than half the crap they show on AS anyway, but I doubt it'll ever happen
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #26 on: 05-27-2010 18:53 »

The Quagmire Show.  I can just see it now:  Quagmire moves to Chicago and works for an airline there.  Then marries a stripper who has three kids.  And what would be kids be like?   An outgoing, trendy teenage daughter, a fat dumbfounded boy who's no good at sports and is kind of a geek, and a youngest will be a smart-allecky Bart Simpson-type who understands adult situations, and has the vocabulary of a Harvard graduate.  And Quagmire will have friends who are caricatures of the Family Guy characters.  That's what The Quagmire Show will be like if it ever happened. 

Next thing we'll know Seth will make "Joe Swanson P.D."!   Seth's done enough cartoons.  He never should've done The Cleveland Show.  He should've just stuck with Family Guy and American Dad.   At least Matt Greoning knows when to draw the line. 
I.C. Weiner

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« Reply #27 on: 05-28-2010 08:46 »

I have recently found an appreciation for American Dad but find the Cleveland Show to be fucking idiotic. Who really wants some nerdy white guy trying to do black comedy? I think Seth McFarlane has fallen victim to the "gimme more now!" culture that seems to permeate our society.

What is really amazing is that cartoons like Futurama, The Simpsons, and South Park seem to be the only T.V. shows that have any trace of integrity left.
SpaceMaN

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« Reply #28 on: 05-28-2010 14:24 »

Family Guy is as funny as a crippled midget in a wheelchair.


American Dad is Family Guy with an alien and less cut-scenes.

Cleveland Show is Seth MacFarlane getting blowjobs from FOX executives because for some reason his "comedy" is what's saving the network.

I seriously think the collective minds here at PEEL could write a Family Guy script that would get the same amount of laughs as his cut-away jokes.
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« Reply #29 on: 05-28-2010 14:56 »

I'm in no way a Seth McF fan (liked the first two seasons of Family Guy, hated everything since) but I should point out that he did in fact make shorts and shop around for a series. He wasn't simply handed bazillions of dollars from FOX and told to make whatever he likes. I remember Cartoon Network had a short that he directed about a Peter-like guy who had a Brian-like talking dog (maybe the names were even the same?). So yeah, Seth DID work his way up to the top, but the problem is he has been doing the same shit since he started. Dumb man + talking animal = show!
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #30 on: 05-28-2010 21:34 »

I feel the say way, the fist couple of seasons were great. It just made sense, then everything turned into a poop joke and they lost me. Although it seems the writers may be trying again. There were a couple seasons in between, the writing seemed very lazy. Futurama and Family Guy were the first two animated shows I really got into when I got older. Futurama kept on being kick ass and Family Guy got really lame.
Jarvio

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« Reply #31 on: 05-28-2010 22:01 »

I've always liked FG and still do. I admit it wears thin after a while, but on a whole I love it. AD is good, I'm not as mad on it, but it's still good. The cleveland show however is seriously the worst cartoon ever IMO.

They should replace the cleveland show with 'sit down shut up'. Has anyone seen that show? I really like it! But it got cancelled after 1 series frown Great show with bags of potential IMO, would have that over cleveland show anyday
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #32 on: 05-28-2010 22:10 »
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I really enjoyed that show too, but they never got the ratings for some reason. It is a shame, Sit down shut up had a lot of potential. The show was created by the creator of "Arrested Development", Mitchell Hurtwitz. The guy is a genius.
Jarvio

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« Reply #33 on: 05-28-2010 22:29 »

Only recently started watching arrested development but I'm liking it so far.

Yeah it is a shame about sit down shut up not getting good ratings. Maybe fox didn't advertise it enough? I dunno.

Still though, comedy central are airing sit down shut up now, and people are saying that they're doing a better job at advertising the show than what Fox did. So fingers crossed for good ratings and new episodes!
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #34 on: 05-28-2010 22:53 »

Won't be a 3rd cartoon from Matt Groening, he's too old...
Jezzem

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« Reply #35 on: 05-28-2010 23:06 »

I should point out that he did in fact make shorts and shop around for a series. He wasn't simply handed bazillions of dollars from FOX and told to make whatever he likes.

That's exactly what I said! Although you managed to say it in a less sarcastic way than I...

And SpaceMaN: No, American Dad is not Family Guy with an Alien and less cut away jokes. Go and actually watch some post-Stan of Arabia episodes of it.
I.C. Weiner

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« Reply #36 on: 05-29-2010 06:44 »

Q: How can Arrested Development and Futurama be so great and get cancelled?
A: Reality t.v. has accelerated the retardation of the masses.
Freako

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« Reply #37 on: 05-29-2010 08:47 »

Arrested whatment?
Future Shock

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« Reply #38 on: 05-29-2010 08:50 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrested_Development_(TV_series)
Freako

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« Reply #39 on: 05-29-2010 09:06 »

I know what it is. I was just making a vague statement at how I.C. put Futurama on the same level of a random show of personal preference.
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