See You In Another Thread, Brothah [Lost]

[Reply #80 on:]

I dont think it was a spoiler to say he was evil.

Many people dont listen to the podcast so they never hear it.  Also, if you hadnt figured it out by then... you should stop watching.

totpbenisntevil

[Reply #81 on:]

Ben is awesome. Even if he is evil.

Re: Lupidas and Richard being dead.

I'm sure lupidas is, he's not really major enough a character to come back in the finale and us really care about it... Richard, i'm sure he's not dead, that was just the smoke monster flicking him away.

If Richard is dead. I will be mightily pissed that thats how they did it.

Very excited for finale.

[Reply #82 on:]

It looked like Richard got hit by the force of a train and thrown 50 feet. At the time, my assumption was that it killed him. But who knows.

[Reply #83 on:]

He would buy the farm if he was a normal human being... but he is not.. he has been touched by Jacob and is suposedly inmortar by himself.. and by now i would say he is inmortal to smokey too..  otherwise and knowing that he works for Jacob since 1877 smokey would had killed him long time ago .

Also when he falconpunched Richard , just after he shows to Ben and asks him help in killing the rest of the candidates , as he himself cant .. obviously if Richard would be present he wouldnt not allowed Ben to kill any of them (and Richard CAN kill Ben) so its clear Richard had to be swaped away in order to enlist Linus..

probably he will be back in style in the finale in .. OH FRAK 3 DAYS .

[Reply #84 on:]

And stop implying J.J. Abrams works on the show. He did the pilot. That's it.

As far as i know JJ IS INVOLVED in Lost as producer , wich has more weight as director or writer

[Reply #85 on:]

It may hold more weight, but it doesn't actually mean he does anything that affects the story. From everything I've heard, seen, and read, Cuse and Lindelof have full control over what happens in the show as far as story goes. Abrams' contributions to anything involving the script or direction of the show has been little to none since the pilot.

[Reply #86 on:]

Well.. Lucas was producer of eps 5 and 6 of star wars and he was the main weight behind them..  im not saying that JJ is the main weight, but hesure have to has some weight on script writing and many other aspects, not as a boss but surelly as an influece to Cuse and Lindelof.

Anyway... they are airing the finale in Spain at the same time as US and worldwide (wich is 6:30 AM ) with subtitles

[Reply #87 on:]

This thread is going to explode after tomorrow...

[Reply #88 on:]

But not in Australia. Bullshit.

Oh well would've been at work anyway.

Will have to wait and watch it after, must avoid the internet though.

[Reply #89 on:]

And people. Try to avoid people as much as possible.

Best to run around with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALALA

[Reply #90 on:]

Where's mah torrent, gimmegimmegimme!

[Reply #91 on:]

Well.. Lucas was producer of eps 5 and 6 of star wars and he was the main weight behind them..  im not saying that JJ is the main weight, but hesure have to has some weight on script writing and many other aspects, not as a boss but surelly as an influece to Cuse and Lindelof.

Anyway... they are airing the finale in Spain at the same time as US and worldwide (wich is 6:30 AM ) with subtitles

Actually, if they're airing it at 6:30 am then they'll be airing it an hour after the US premier ends. 9 pm EDT is 3 am CEST.

Where's mah torrent, gimmegimmegimme!

Wait until 4:30 am local time, when the finale ends over here. I'm sure that within an hour of it ending there'll be a torrent with that'll download in 10 minutes or even less. People are going to be intently waiting abroad to see it/spoil it.

[Reply #92 on:]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Reply #93 on:]

Well that was a waste of my time...

[Reply #94 on:]

Well that was a waste of my time...

Agreed. Dragggged onnn, and was for the most part, just plain annoying.

[Reply #95 on:]

I liked it. A lot.

Weiner, how was it a waste of your time? Did the show not entertain you the whole time? If you were entertained the whole show, how was it a waste of time? If you only stuck with the show to see the ending and weren't entertained the whole time, you're an idiot.I stayed with the show because it entertained me the whole time.  If it hadn't I would have stopped watching. If you weren't entertained by the show, but kept watching JUST for the end, you wasted your own time.

I've been looking at viewer's reactions to the finale, and it amazes me how many people didn't get it at all. So many people are raging "What? They were dead the whole time?!" If you thought that's what the episode was saying you're a total moron and weren't paying attention. They weren't dead during any of the stuff that took place on the island. What happened is they all died EVENTUALLY, and the Sideways world was actually purgatory that they were all in after they all eventually died to help them remember their lives on the island and move on together.

[Reply #96 on:]

Yeah seriously.  If you didn't like the end you aren't a real lost fan.  You should be happy.  Eveyone knew they weren't going to answer every fucking little question.  Pull the stick out of your ass and be happy with what we got. 

[Reply #97 on:]

Shut up.

[Reply #98 on:]

That's not true at all Amy. A true Lost fan didn't have to like the ending, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you didn't like the ending, it wasn't your cuppa tea, that's totally fine. What I was saying is don't complain that the whole show was a total waste of your time because you know that it kept you entertained for six seasons, and if it hadn't then you wouldn't have watched it to the end. Feel free to be disappointed at the ending, but to claim that the whole show was a waste of time is just stupidity.

[Reply #99 on:]

Josh, it means they didn't get the point.  This show wasn't about the mystery, it was about the people and it ended well in that.

[Reply #100 on:]

I disagree. My mom understood the whole thing, but she didn't very much like the ending. She still likes the show, she was just disappointed in the ending. What you're saying Amy is that people can't have different taste and opinions. You could GET IT and just not LIKE IT. Don't demean people for having differing opinions.

And for a lot of people, the show WAS about the mystery. Hell, the show was DEFINITELY about the mystery for me, as well as the characters. But I accepted near the end that not everything was going to be explained, or even close, and by accepting that I was still satisfied with the ending. But if people weren't satisfied, that's up to them. It doesn't make their enjoyment of the show any less.

But, as I've been saying, to say that the WHOLE show was a waste of time just because you were disappointed with the end is ignorant.

[Reply #101 on:]

I understood the ending just fine. I liked the ending just fine. It could've been more epic in my opinion, given the large build up to what was going on, but it was just nice. I meant that the finale was a waste because I'm sitting there expecting some epic Lost-like twist and there wasn't one. The only twists during the finale were Desmond at the Source and Jack's dad, although I was expecting the latter scene to happen like that. And they just left the original universe hanging, although I guess that universe doesn't really matter given that we know everybody will eventually die and go to the Sideways world. I would still be interested in finding out what happened to the plane or if Hurley, Desmond, and Ben live with Rose and Bernard or whatever else happened with that.

The ending is ironic, though. Original Sawyer doesn't believe the hydrogen bomb did anything but kill Juliet, when in fact it brings them together. It's odd though that Daniel, the father of the bomb plan, didn't flash sideways, especially considering he saw Charlotte. He wasn't in the church at the end, was he? Rose and Bernard were there, which was nice, but not Daniel and Charlotte.

And, yes, I was entertained. And the mystery was what kept me going with the show more than the characters. I'm not saying I don't have any attachment to the characters. I was happy that Richard and Frank were alive. But I am kind of sad that some of the mythology kind of died out. The Source went out but nobody died just like that, like how Mother had explained it (or at least how I thought she explained it). And the Island wasn't exactly the cork of the wine bottle, like Jacob described it. Sure, it looked like the depths of Hell were escaping when the Source's cork was removed, but it seems like the worst thing that happened was the Island was going to sink into the ocean. That's it. Protecting the Island doesn't seem to mean anything despite what we've been told. Nobody died, no ghosts flew out of the Source, nothing cataclysmic in that sense happened. Seems like Man in Black was more right in this regard.

I did enjoy that the final shot from the original universe was the same as the first shot of Jack on the Island from the Pilot. And Rose, Bernard, and Vincent all made appearances. At first I thought Vincent single pawedly rescuded Desmond.

So, in basics, everybody dies and they all go to heaven. Even Vincent.

[Reply #102 on:]

It's odd though that Daniel, the father of the bomb plan, didn't flash sideways, especially considering he saw Charlotte.

He already had. Remember he explained to Desmond in Happily Ever After that he had? When they were sitting on the bench? So that's why he already knew who she was, just like Charlie already knew who Claire was and didn't need to flash-sideways again.

By the way, for anybody disappointed with the finale, I have one thing to say:

It's better to have loved Lost than to have never loved at all. 

[Reply #103 on:]

Thats why Eloise asked Desmond if he was taking Daniel with him. 

IC, The horrible destruction of the world was to happen if MIB got off the island.  He was killed before he could get there so the rest of the world in danger was avoided.

As far as knowing how everyone lived after Jack died - well thats what happens in all tv/movies.  Its not often that you follow every character to their death, and you shouldn't.  It leaves their life in the viewers hand because we probably all want different things to happen to different people, it wouldn't be fair to tell us exactly what happened to everyone.

[Reply #104 on:]

That's the second time in four days that a major TV series has ended with the revelation that they were all dead and in purgatory...

[Reply #105 on:]

I think Ashes to Ashes had a better ending, I like the idea that heaven is a pub

[Reply #106 on:]

That's the second time in four days that a major TV series has ended with the revelation that they were all dead and in purgatory...

They were not all in purgatory.  I mean, the flash sideways was, but everything else that happened was real. 

[Reply #107 on:]

No comment yet, apart from the question of how did Ben get out from under the log?

[Reply #108 on:]

Magic.

Also Jimmy Kimmels Unnecessary Censorship: Lost Edition

[Reply #109 on:]

Can't find torrent of the Aloha to LOST special! Booooo!

[Reply #110 on:]

It was dumb, dont bother

[Reply #111 on:]

No comment yet, apart from the question of how did Ben get out from under the log?

How did they somehow remove all the C4 on the plane?
How did those skeletons get down into that cave?
How come the MIB became black smoke and his body spit out when he went into the source but these other guys didn't?
How come this didn't happen to Desmond? Or Jack?
How did the Man in Black suddenly materialize and become mortal after Jack became the new Jacob? He's smoke that takes the form of humans! It's like a nanobot cloud! Where the hell did this material come from to form an actual body? You can't just make something appear out of thin air!
How come Miles never met the Man in Black?
How come none of the black cast was in the finale? Other than Rose.
How come all the non-white cast died before the finale?
How did the Island move?
How did an Egyptian statue get onto the Island?
How come they didn't play "We'll Meet Again" at the end of the episode?

There are a lot of questions (some more relevant or interesting than others).

But, really, the most important question is what was the meaning of the end credits. They ran alongside images of plane wreckage. Looking at this image, it looks like it's Oceanic Flight 815,

But where are the people?! I didn't see any bodies on the beach, but then again I only saw this for a few seconds. What up with that? Were they even on the Island to begin with?


Also, funny figure. ABC estimates that 20.5 million unique viewers watched the series finale of Lost during its 2-1/2 hour broadcast. The final half-hour was watched by 15.31 million viewers. That means people stopped watching during it.

[Reply #112 on:]

Weiner, they burned the bodies in the first season.

[Reply #113 on:]

Everything that happened on the island was real.

How did those skeletons get down into that cave? - they went down into the cave and couldn't get back out..

How come the MIB became black smoke and his body spit out when he went into the source but these other guys didn't?  MIB was "Special" and likely fell right into the water down there.  The other men may have avoided it.

How come this didn't happen to Desmond? Or Jack? We know desmond was special and could get through electromagnetic stuff.  Once jack put the cork back in his "jacobness" would have returned allowing him to stand the water before death.

How did the Man in Black suddenly materialize and become mortal after Jack became the new Jacob? He's smoke that takes the form of humans! It's like a nanobot cloud! Where the hell did this material come from to form an actual body? You can't just make something appear out of thin air! - MIB was taking the form of bodies.  Despite not being an actual body, when the cork was pulled both men became human where they could get hurt.  That means the MIB thing was stuck in its materialized form

How come none of the black cast was in the finale? Other than Rose. - Question doesnt apply because Rose was there.  You cant be like "LOL no black ppl (but rose) cuz there was black people.  Who else was black anyways?  Eko, Michael and Walt?  Eko was long gone, Michael wouldn't have had a flashside ways and walt is presumably still alive so he wouldnt have been dead.  

How come all the non-white cast died before the finale? - Hurley is latino, miles is asian, Richard is spanish.  They aren't considered "white"

But where are the people?! I didn't see any bodies on the beach, but then again I only saw this for a few seconds. What up with that? Were they even on the Island to begin with?  They could have just been showing the wreckage.  The survivors did leave the destruction pretty early on.

[Reply #114 on:]

How come all the non-white cast died before the finale? - Hurley is latino, miles is asian, Richard is spanish.  They aren't considered "white"

Does that mean that im not white? 30 years and i found out now!

[Reply #115 on:]

Now you can hate The Man, Javier!

[Reply #116 on:]

I think I need to watch the finale again, so confusing with the alt timeline and everything, it's basically two endings to the show for me, really not used to the duality (it's pretty new format for television amirite? there hasn't been another show where the writers gave two endings?)
I was happy with the alt timeline I suppose, but it sort of outshines the island timeline where half the people are dead...?

So when the alt-timeline was created, when Juliet gave the bomb a whack down the hole... did they all die then or... not?
Bah.

[Reply #117 on:]

It's not two time lines, and i don't think that other place was necessarily created then.

It was a sort of limbo, where they could all meet up...

[Reply #118 on:]

The bomb was a red herring. It didn't create a new timeline or alternate universe. It only sent them back to the future but didn't create a new timeline.

The "other timeline" was just a purgatory world where everything worked out for all the characters (which so happened to be a world where the Island was at the bottom of the ocean) and where they could "meet up" after dying.

[Reply #119 on:]

How come all the non-white cast died before the finale? - Hurley is latino, miles is asian, Richard is spanish.  They aren't considered "white"

You really refer to yourself as white?  IDK where you live, but here when we fill out a census form no latino - no matter how white in color would check the "Caucasian, white" box.
Does that mean that im not white? 30 years and i found out now!