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« Reply #40 on: 05-12-2010 15:53 »

Real-time Across The Sea Reactions by Maz

Ignore the itallics, those were just reactions to commercials..



<Amy> I WAS IN THE SHOWER
<Amy> AND THINKING THE SAME THING
<Amy> ABOUT HURLEY

Teehee...I just wanted to see that out of context.

So. Hm. Yes. I think I will wait for the next episode(s).
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« Reply #41 on: 05-12-2010 19:30 »

Let's clear this up...

SMOKEY IS MIB.

Done. Good? Good. The cave of light released Man in Black's soul (light, as C.J. Cregg called it) from his body. The black smoke is his light. Since light isn't exactly something you can touch, this explains why Man in Black doesn't get hurt by conventional weapons and why bullets go right through him. (And, on a side note, it's interesting that his light is black. I don't believe it's because he's bad, it may be just because everything related to the Man in Black is, well, black.)

Additionally, this supports Jacob's explanation that the Island is the cork of evil. Think about it: Man in Black's light (read: soul) has been now released from his body and has been doomed to "walk" on the earth for eternity. And there are a lot of dead people's spirits who so happen to be on the Island. Kind of sounds like purgatory to me. Additionally, what language are the speaking at this time before suddenly the producers felt like speaking in English would cut down subtitle costs? Latin. What is Jacob's duty? To protect the light. Now let's look at a Latin term associated with purgatory and souls and protecting light: Lucifer, from the Latin "lucem ferre" meaning "light-bearer". Jacob is Lucifer. But a "good" Lucifer. He's protecting the gate of Hell and doesn't want the evil of Hell to escape. This explains why during Season 5 he was trying to get the Oceanic survivors back on the Island, whether by himself or by another (Ben and Locke). This also explains why Kate's off the list: he told young Kate to promise to never steal again, she stole again, she's obviously bad and can't be trusted to protect the light.

This just makes Man in Black some sort of demigod. He's not evil incarnate, he's just a tortured soul trying to "go home". He's a demigod in the sense that Jacob (the god of the Island) couldn't hurt him (which obviously is false, but I'm guessing Mother meant kill by hurt). But, in every other way, he's just like the rest of cast but he's been released from his body and been on the Island for a much longer time. If anything this episode creates sympathy for the Man in Black and disdain for Jacob. Man in Black never broke the rules: he never directly hurt Jacob ever. And he's never left the Island thus far. Jacob, however, has directly hurt MiB multiple times and has left the Island multiple times despite Mother telling him he can't.
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« Reply #42 on: 05-12-2010 19:31 »
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I agree...  Smokey isn't MIB. Smokey is a completely independant entity and took over MIB's body after he died in the light hole. So, who/what is Smokey? How far back do we go!

What makes you think that MIB isn't Smokey? The woman said that going into the light hole resulted in a fate worse than death, so I would think that Smokey is the manifestation of MIB's ghost. We've heard MIB in the present say things like "I want to go home" and such, and also the fact that he wasn't able to kill Jacob were still because his "mother" made it that way. If Smokey was an independent entity separate from MIB, there'd be no reason why Smokey couldn't just kill Jacob.

Edit, ohai weiner.

This explains why during Season 5 he was trying to get the Oceanic survivors back on the Island, whether by himself or by another (Ben and Locke).

Locke leaving the island to die and come back wasn't Jacob's idea, it was MIB's remember?

So here are some questions I am wondering now after that episode:

1) I still don't AT ALL understand the rules behind how Smokey/MIB is able to take over people's bodies. At first I thought "Oh, I get it, he was able to take over his own body for a while, but then his own body decomposed and now he has to find other bodies to take over, like Christian's or Locke's" But then I thought about it, he's not actually taking over their bodies, right? He's actually taking over a duplicate of their bodies, or possibly their souls. So then why wouldn't he be able to continue assuming his own identity, even after the actual body has rotted? I feel like maybe this is something the writers don't want the viewer to think too much about.

2) I want to know more about why MIB is special. Why could he see dead people and others couldn't (and since Hurley is the same way, what's the connection there)? How did he know to build the donkey wheel?

3) Why can Smokey scan people's memories?

4) What the heck is the connection to Egyptian mythology?
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« Reply #43 on: 05-12-2010 19:52 »

Your third question also puzzles me. They came during Roman times, right? Then when was the statue built? We didn't see it at all this episode, and we have in past flashbacks. Had it not been built at the time of "Across the Sea" or did we just not see it?
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« Reply #44 on: 05-12-2010 20:20 »

I assume you meant my fourth question...I must have edited while you were typing. :P
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« Reply #45 on: 05-12-2010 23:35 »

Weiner, I think she only told MIB he couldn't leave the island.  During one of their "I love you more than him" talks. 

And how can you say that MIB hasnt hurt jacob directly?  He LEFT Jacob, and then killed his mom.  You can say "well he didnt kill jacob" but dude, I'd rather die then see my mom getting killed.  That would hurt so much more and be a much larger direct hit on my heart.

Plus, the ep didnt make Jacob look bad.  Every god has to do some bad stuff, its all with good intentions (hello, Noah and the ark).  Jacob left the island because he HAD to.  MIB WANTED to leave.  There is a big difference there.
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« Reply #46 on: 05-15-2010 02:35 »

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« Reply #47 on: 05-15-2010 02:57 »

New facebook picture ^^
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« Reply #48 on: 05-15-2010 09:20 »

I demand "I'm with Man in Black" ... "Blackie" ... "Brother" ... "Cerebus" ... "Adam"?

Actually, this guy really needs a name before I can fully support him.


Also, a funny little clip from Jimmy Kimmel Live. Features Pellegrino and Welliver.
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« Reply #49 on: 05-15-2010 11:20 »

Ya, what happened to the name Cerberus? I remember after the episode Lockdown that was a big thing.

Haven't heard Adam though...where'd that come from?

In any case, I love the actor's name, Titus. Cool name.
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« Reply #50 on: 05-15-2010 17:33 »

Adam, cuz he is adam from the adam and eve
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« Reply #51 on: 05-15-2010 17:58 »

Actually, this guy really needs a name before I can fully support him.

Esau!

Another thing that still confuses me. When MIB is in Lockes form, and he's questioned about why, and he says that he is now "Stuck" in that form. Yet when Ben is judged, and after all the smoke disappears, Alex appears and gives him the whole "Follow Locke!" thing, i just then assumed later that "Oh! That was Flocke/Smokey tricking him!" But after the being "Stuck" in Lockes form, i'm unsure.

Or perhaps the LOST writers are just not taking as much care as they should...
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« Reply #52 on: 05-15-2010 18:11 »

When did he ever say he was stuck as Locke?
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« Reply #53 on: 05-15-2010 18:50 »

I can't remember, but he definitely does. Somewhere towards the beginning of the season.
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« Reply #54 on: 05-15-2010 19:17 »

Perhaps he became locled as Locke because Jacob is dead, which occured after the Ben's judgement.
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« Reply #55 on: 05-15-2010 20:05 »

I move that MIB in Locke form be renamed "Man In Blocke". big grin
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« Reply #56 on: 05-16-2010 02:14 »
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Chay, I demand you find where MIB said he was STUCK in Locke's form, because I have absolutely no meory of that. DO IT NAO.

I don't doubt that it happened, I just need a memory jog. smile
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« Reply #57 on: 05-16-2010 05:04 »

I remember that Ilana said that Locke was the only human form he could take. However, I can't remember in which episode she said that.
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« Reply #58 on: 05-16-2010 05:21 »

Well that helps...not... tongue
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« Reply #59 on: 05-16-2010 07:22 »

Ilana indeed said that MIB was now stuck in Locke form because everyone had saw Locke's corpse
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« Reply #60 on: 05-16-2010 18:56 »

BUT WHEN? WHAT EPISODE?
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« Reply #61 on: 05-16-2010 20:28 »

BUT WHEN? WHAT EPISODE?

6X03 "The Substitute"

"Meanwhile, at the remains of the statue, Ilana and Ben discuss what happened to her companions; Ben tells her that the Man in Black killed them all, including Jacob. Ilana, who is visibly upset, takes some of the ashes of Jacob's body and informs Ben that the Man in Black is now "stuck" in the form of Locke"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Substitute_%28Lost%29
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« Reply #62 on: 05-16-2010 21:28 »

Thanks, Javier!
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« Reply #63 on: 05-16-2010 23:41 »

What remains still unsolved is who or what killed all remaining Ajira survivors... unless the MIB or Widmore did it and they tell it it was a pretty cheap and lame way of getting them out , its this series writen by a death-cult gothic emo or what?

Evidence suggest it was more probably MIB or even Ilana rather than Widmore
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« Reply #64 on: 05-17-2010 00:16 »

uh, I thought it was known it was widmore
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« Reply #65 on: 05-17-2010 15:55 »

uh, I thought it was known it was widmore

It may look like that, but Widmore said he wasnt and while he is utterly evil, he has no reason to lie and usually as far as i renember he doesnt lie , and even Sawyer said he didnt knew who killed them even after talkin with Widmore.. and also as some people pointed, the corpses where allreadt decomposing, Widmore just got there that very day.
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« Reply #66 on: 05-17-2010 16:12 »

Maybe they were already dead before they got on the plane eek

Probably not..

I just want to see the last couple of episodes so I can watch it all in succession without weekly breaks. I keep forgetting what's happened from weeks ago.
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« Reply #67 on: 05-19-2010 04:04 »

Good episode.

Just a reminder, the season finale is THIS SUNDAY
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« Reply #68 on: 05-19-2010 04:18 »

That was an excellent episode.

"This is what I'm supposed to do."
"Is that a question?"
"No."

That got to me BIG TIME.
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« Reply #69 on: 05-19-2010 04:23 »
« Last Edit on: 05-19-2010 04:36 »

When Jacob said that, I said, "Gotcha bitch!" I didn't want Jack to be it...

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« Reply #70 on: 05-19-2010 04:39 »
« Last Edit on: 05-19-2010 04:44 »

Stop using spoilers in this thread. Completely unnecessary.

And stop implying J.J. Abrams works on the show. He did the pilot. That's it.

Also, I agree about Ben...I really thought he had redeemed himself but now he's following Locke again. I understand why he killed Widmore, but I really hope he's only following Locke out of fear of getting killed by him. Although we did see that flash of Desmond beating up Ben, which is something that hasn't happened yet (as far as I remember) so hmpf.

Also, are you still on Team MIB, weiner? Because apparently he wants everyone to die, everywhere.
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« Reply #71 on: 05-19-2010 05:14 »

BEN STILL HAS TIME DAMNIT, HE WILL BE GOOD.

I loved when Hurley was like "Oh hi Anna" and she was all wtf.  Seems Hurley remembers A LOT more.
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« Reply #72 on: 05-19-2010 09:31 »
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ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

Also, I agree about Ben...I really thought he had redeemed himself but now he's following Locke again. I understand why he killed Widmore, but I really hope he's only following Locke out of fear of getting killed by him.
That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

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Although we did see that flash of Desmond beating up Ben, which is something that hasn't happened yet (as far as I remember) so hmpf.
That was from Season 5's Dead Is Dead. It's when Ben went to the marina to kill Penny. Desmond had just arrived from the market and proceeds to beat the shit out of Ben.

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Also, are you still on Team MIB, weiner? Because apparently he wants everyone to die, everywhere.
He didn't say that. He said that if he can't get off the Island that he's just going to destroy it. He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

I tend to be on the side of caution and feel that destroying the Island will cause some cataclysmic event, whether it be ending life or releasing the demons of Hell. I still think the Island is the cork of Hell per what Jacob said in Ab Aeterno. However, this doesn't necessarily mean MIB is evil and wants to end life everywhere. At the moment, I'm not exactly on a "team". Jacob hasn't done anything to redeem himself in my eyes yet, I'm waiting to see what he says / what he/Jack do in the finale.

BEN STILL HAS TIME DAMNIT, HE WILL BE GOOD.

I loved when Hurley was like "Oh hi Anna" and she was all wtf.  Seems Hurley remembers A LOT more.
I hope Ben will be good. But, then again, I have a sneaking feeling like they'll do what they just did for Richard and throw him away. Although I still hope Richard isn't really dead, just maimed a little. He's survived worse.

And that was hilarious! I think Hurley being in continued contact with Libby, another survivor who he has memories with from the original universe, is accelerating his ability to remember. Or Hurley's just special and the writers wanted a gag.
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« Reply #73 on: 05-19-2010 15:01 »


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« Reply #74 on: 05-19-2010 20:05 »

Who said Richard is dead? MIB knows well Richard's role .. if he could he would had killed him well before.. this looked more like getting Richard out of the way
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« Reply #75 on: 05-19-2010 21:17 »

LOOL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUKcs3z1Y4g&feature=player_embedded

LMAO

(screwed up this in Chucks thread)
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« Reply #76 on: 05-19-2010 23:12 »

ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

You being sarcastic? Or are you really that surprised to find that out?

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That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

Indeed. When he said "You said something about other people you needed to kill" or whatever, it's possible he's just trying to appear as useful as possible to MIB, because he's just seen that when somebody isn't useful to him anymore, he kills them.

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That was from Season 5's Dead Is Dead. It's when Ben went to the marina to kill Penny. Desmond had just arrived from the market and proceeds to beat the shit out of Ben.

Ah yes of course. How did I forget that?

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He didn't say that. He said that if he can't get off the Island that he's just going to destroy it.

He didn't actually technically say that either. He simply said "I'm going to destroy the island." He didn't say that he would only do that if he couldn't get off. It's very possible he wants to do both.

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He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

The writers apparently are trying to make it clear to us that MIB is evil. They outwardly said that the whole point of having Sun, Jin, Sayid, and Lapidus die were to show the audience that "there is no ambiguity" and that MIB is "evil and needs to be stopped". However, you may have a point.  The writers could just be nailing that into our heads so that they can surprise us with a EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG ending. We'll just have to wait and see. smile
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« Reply #77 on: 05-20-2010 04:00 »

Hilarious comic, Faze. I always noticed that.

ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

You being sarcastic? Or are you really that surprised to find that out?
Sarcasm.

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That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

Indeed. When he said "You said something about other people you needed to kill" or whatever, it's possible he's just trying to appear as useful as possible to MIB, because he's just seen that when somebody isn't useful to him anymore, he kills them.
Yeah, I feel like the jury's still out on Ben's true allegiance. I expect him to make an attempt to kill MIB in the finale.

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He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

The writers apparently are trying to make it clear to us that MIB is evil. They outwardly said that the whole point of having Sun, Jin, Sayid, and Lapidus die were to show the audience that "there is no ambiguity" and that MIB is "evil and needs to be stopped". However, you may have a point.  The writers could just be nailing that into our heads so that they can surprise us with a EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG ending. We'll just have to wait and see. smile
Wait and see is the exact approach I'm taking with Jacob. I'm still not sure about how much he actually knows. The Source reminds me of the Swan, with the question of whether or not pressing the button will really end the world. Not pushing the button didn't really end the world, but shit definitely did go down. Or how about nice Kate from the first few episodes actually being a fugitive? Or how about Penny's boat, well, not being Penny's boat? Lost has given us a lot of things that seem one way and then they turn it upside down. The true nature of the Source will be interesting to find out.

I'm definitely getting the vibe from the writing that they want us to think MIB is evil. I mean, that's the way they've written him since the pilot when he killed the pilot. He was a motherfucking black cloud! He killed Eko! He wears black and never white! How much more evil can you get?!?! I'm really expecting some reversal, a classic Lost plot twist. There hasn't really been an "EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG" moment yet this season. I expect big twists in the finale.
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« Reply #78 on: 05-20-2010 06:38 »
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Not pushing the button didn't really end the world, but shit definitely did go down.

Well actually, we don't know if it wouldn't have ended the world. It's possible that all that electromagnetic energy being built up could have somehow caused a disturbance that would have affected the world, if Desmond hadn't used the failsafe button. I mean, we know that the discharge of energy that happened when he did use the failsafe was detectable in Antarctica or wherever Penny's people were who were trying to find the island.
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« Reply #79 on: 05-20-2010 11:59 »

I think that guy telling "there is no ambiguity , the black man is evil and has to be stopped" was a mistake, because, he either "spoiled" and now we dont have to find out by ourselfs , or he is lying wich is cheating , you cant cheat that way to "surprise" viewers ... i really hope (and think) he is right , because its better to slip away and minor-spoil than blatantly lie ...
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BTW, are we sure Lapidus is dead?
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