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Beamer

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« Reply #600 on: 04-03-2015 12:35 »

I thought the pacing was most noticeably off in the most recent episode, to be honest.

I assume we're both referring to the pacing of the dialogue within scenes, and not the overall pacing of the episode's plot?

This episode probably had the fewest awkward pauses in the dialogue so far this season, but it still didn't feel like "classic Community" pacing to me. I honestly can't see this ever improving so long as the episodes remain at this length (after all, Dan Harmon hardly seems like someone who'd take self-regulation over self-indulgence), so I guess it's just something we have to get used to.
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« Reply #601 on: 04-03-2015 14:00 »

No, I'm talking about the overall pacing of the plot.

I didn't notice any problems with the comic timing, but I haven't felt like the pacing has been off in that regard much this season, frankly.
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« Reply #602 on: 04-03-2015 14:38 »

There are definitely a lot of unusual pauses in the dialogue this season. I don't have any issues with the pacing of the stories, though - my only gripe there is the go-nowhere C plots we keep seeing.
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« Reply #603 on: 04-03-2015 21:24 »
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This episode probably had the fewest awkward pauses in the dialogue so far this season

Agreed, that's what I was getting at with my comments. And sometimes it's not a matter of pauses but rather one stilted delivery of a line that will throw off a whole train of dialogue.

I also agree that it still wasn't up to the standard of "classic" Community, though I think as far as this episode goes that had less to do with the pacing and more to do with the quality of the humor. The episode made me laugh, but its jokes weren't quite as cutting as the previous episode's, and what I'm saying is had the previous episode had less issues with dialogue pacing and delivery, I think it possibly would have stood up as one of the series' better episodes. But as it stands, I ultimately found the competence of the most recent episode to make it a more comfortable watch.

Hopefully they'll hit that perfect balance between humor, directing, and acting and we'll have some real standouts more than just a few times this season, which I thought was the batting average of the last two seasons.
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« Reply #604 on: 04-07-2015 22:50 »

Best episode of season 6 so far, if you ask me. Still not exactly a classic or anything, but the concept was brilliant and the execution more than enough to make me happy.
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« Reply #605 on: 04-08-2015 04:10 »

Is Annie coming off as smug this season to anyone else? Like at least in the last episode she got knocked down a peg but in this one all she had to do was let Britta have one party. Was it really worth it punishing both Britta and by extension Abed?
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« Reply #606 on: 04-10-2015 11:57 »

I did enjoy the last two episodes.  As a veteran listener of How Did This Get Made?  I think Jason Mantzoukas is excellent, and his turn as the director was excellent.  Excellent use of Ken Jeong too (finally!)

I particularly enjoyed episode 6 too.  I didn't think that Annie was too smug, just being a knowitall, like she normally is.
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« Reply #607 on: 04-15-2015 06:54 »
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This week's episode had a lot of potential, but I didn't feel as though they were hitting all the right marks, and the execution just didn't gel with me (and the fact that they acknowledged this within the episode didn't help - if you're aware of your flaws, fucking work on them!!). Plot-wise, this could've been a real classic, but much like last week's "prisoners attending via iPads" story, the final product should have been funnier than it was. I also find it jarring that, despite the show's increased budget, so much of this season has just been the gang confined in small spaces arguing with one another. We already got a bottle episode this year, the show doesn't need to keep returning to that well - if anything, it's only highlighting the current issues with the character relationships.

Having said that, the episode wasn't bad. The god-awful stand-up amused me greatly, and Chang actually got a few really funny moments in for once. Some beats of the plot landed perfectly too (like the gang all arriving to find each of them had read the others' leaked information), but I'm still a little bothered that the show devoted an entire episode to such an intricate and touchy subject without really making any particular statement. And holy fuck, that whole thing with the child cop was absolutely pathetic. Come on, Community, I expect better from your end-of-episode tags.
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« Reply #608 on: 04-15-2015 09:18 »

Huh. I loved the episode. Probably my favorite of the season so far.
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« Reply #609 on: 04-15-2015 11:33 »

I agree pretty much exactly with Beamer except that I still enjoyed it a fair bit. It's probably my second favourite episode of the season so far, despite its many flaws.
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« Reply #610 on: 04-15-2015 14:04 »

Hey, I still enjoyed it, but it was an episode where the flaws were actually quite easy to pinpoint, unlike a lot of season 6 so far, which is hard to describe other than "feeling off."

Basic Crisis Room Decorum is definitely my favourite so far, though.
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« Reply #611 on: 04-17-2015 00:38 »

Avengers? Avengers? Avengers?
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« Reply #612 on: 04-21-2015 17:57 »

I thought "Advanced Safety Features" was the best episode this season, so far, by miles. It's the first one that hasn't felt remotely off in some way.
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« Reply #613 on: 04-22-2015 01:12 »

I did a double take when Billy Zane showed up. I like his new look.

Also, it was a good episode.
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« Reply #614 on: 04-22-2015 02:15 »

I dunno, I felt the meta product placement jokes were a bit much, personally. I've got nothing against product placement when it's done well (see Arrested Development and 30 Rock), but the episode where Subway/Honda was introduced was far better.

I enjoyed the Jeff/Elroy thing, though. And Frankie's scene with the Dean, where she kept saying how stupid he is, was incredibly funny. They're really starting to utilise Paget Brewster well now. And again, Chang got in quite a few genuinely funny moments.

Overall, it wasn't bad, but I wouldn't call it the best of the season.
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« Reply #615 on: 04-22-2015 02:28 »
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So far I feel this season is much more consistent (not meaning better) than seasons 4 or 5. I think those seasons both had standouts that were stronger than anything we've seen here yet, but they also both had low points early on and throughout that this season hasn't fallen to yet and hopefully won't.

Inb4 you guys make it clear how much infinitely better you think this season (and season 5) were than season 4. I get it, season 4 was the devil's spawn and you hate it. tongue
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« Reply #616 on: 04-22-2015 12:12 »

I absolutely love season 5 whereas season 6 feels really shakey and just not quite right to me. This was the first episode that, as I say, didn't feel off, and even then, I agree that the product placement thing really was bashed over our heads to the point that it was a bit distracting.

I suppose I'd agree that this is more consistent that season 5 in that it's consistently much worse. "Basic Intergluteal Numismatics", "Cooperative Polygraphy" and "Geothermal Escapism" had already happened by this point in season 5 and they were all outstanding. Nothing in this season comes close so far.
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« Reply #617 on: 04-22-2015 19:31 »
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I honestly didn't care for Basic Intergluteal Numismatics, and I've rewatched it to be sure. You're definitely right about the other two being better than anything we've seen this season yet though.

Actually, it was the second half of season 5 that I thought was really weak, so my assessment was pretty premature. Unless season 6 maintains the quality it's had so far and also has at least a couple standout episodes, I can't really say it had been more consistent than season 5, I guess.
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« Reply #618 on: 04-23-2015 09:08 »

The only thing I remember being significantly disappointed by in season 5 was the finale, which just felt really rushed. Pretty much everything else that year ranked somewhere on a scale of great to good, in my opinion.
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« Reply #619 on: 04-29-2015 05:45 »

Now there's a standout episode.
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« Reply #620 on: 04-29-2015 07:36 »

Yeah, this week's episode was pretty good. It had a lot of laughs, namely the incredibly awkward ways they kept using Chang in the video (and, of course, his final scene in the booth). I've gotta say, Ken Jeong's been on fire this season - it's nice to see the show finally figure out how to use him well.
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« Reply #621 on: 04-29-2015 11:20 »

Definitely the best of season 6 so far. This and the last one are the first two episodes that have sat well with me.
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« Reply #622 on: 05-05-2015 19:48 »

Definitely the best of season 6 so far. This and the last one and the last one are the first three episodes that have sat well with me.
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« Reply #623 on: 05-06-2015 02:10 »

Eh, this week's episode was fun and had a few laughs, but it was also pretty predictable, and ultimately felt like a poor man's Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design (which is my favourite episode of the show). Not bad, but if I were ranking this season's episodes by quality, I don't even think this episode would end up in the top half.
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« Reply #624 on: 05-13-2015 02:17 »

I wasn't really feeling this week's episode at all. I enjoyed the "three weeks earlier" gag at first, but then they hammered it into the fucking ground and it just started to irritate me. And so much of this season has just been "the gang confined in small spaces arguing with one another" - which is GREAT in small doses, but at this point, I really just wish we could get a silly high concept episode or two to balance it out.

Frankie continues to steal the show ("What the hell was that?") and Elroy's been fantastic too, but it seems that the extra time given for each episode is now being used to draw out running jokes beyond the point the point where they're funny, and that's very worrying.
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« Reply #625 on: 05-13-2015 04:32 »
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Once again, I loved the episode and find that I don't really get your complaints. The dialogue was clever and it made me laugh consistently. I also thought it had some high-concept ideas while still remaining grounded overall, which I think I prefer to the fully committed over-the-top concept episodes, at least the ones they've done after season 3 (with a couple exceptions). This is likely in my top three episodes of the season so far.

Funny how our roles seem to have swapped since last season in terms of our opinions. I feel I was pretty hard on last season, and for whatever reason I've found this one mostly more palatable and satisfying.
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« Reply #626 on: 05-13-2015 05:31 »

I've actually enjoyed season 6 for the most part, but this episode was just tedious to me. Probably the weakest installment of the season so far.
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« Reply #627 on: 05-13-2015 06:18 »
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Sure, I just meant you seem to be pointing out more flaws in even the episodes you enjoy this season, whereas it seemed last season you were more enthusiastically all-in about most of the episodes (whereas I feel I've been the opposite). And based on what I've seen you write so far, I think our lists for ranking the episodes this season would be pretty flopped with maybe some exceptions.

Not that that has any real significance beyond showing that we have different opinions. And demonstrating that YOU'RE A HORRIBLE MONSTER! tongue

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« Reply #628 on: 05-14-2015 14:18 »

I enjoyed the episode. It wasn't as good as the last couple, but I'd still say that it's one of season 6's better outings so far.
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« Reply #629 on: 05-14-2015 23:56 »

I actually thought this episode was the worst of the season.. so far.
The way Abed has gone completely meta doesn't sit right with me. Perhaps they'll explain it with Troy missing or something, but it seems to me that Abed's clone is regressing.
Probably need a rewatch.

Otherwise this season has been enjoyable. Nothing's standing out as brilliant, but nothing is incredibly bad. At least the episodes don't seem like rehashes, like last season.
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« Reply #630 on: 05-15-2015 02:18 »

At least the episodes don't seem like rehashes, like last season.

To be fair, we've already had two paintball sequels. Not to mention repeating the "documentary-style episode" format (more than once, too), two fake clip shows, etc... And these instances all predated season 5.

Plus, I guess one could argue that all the bottle episodes this season are just rehashes of Cooperative Calligraphy. roll eyes
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« Reply #631 on: 05-15-2015 14:40 »

Otherwise this season has been enjoyable. Nothing's standing out as brilliant, but nothing is incredibly bad. At least the episodes don't seem like rehashes, like last season.

I agree with pretty much all of that, except, despite season 5 feeling like almost nothing but rehashes, I still effing loved it.

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« Reply #632 on: 05-15-2015 16:48 »

At least the episodes don't seem like rehashes, like last season.

To be fair, we've already had two paintball sequels. Not to mention repeating the "documentary-style episode" format (more than once, too), two fake clip shows, etc... And these instances all predated season 5.

Plus, I guess one could argue that all the bottle episodes this season are just rehashes of Cooperative Calligraphy. roll eyes

Point taken, specially about the paintball episodes.
However, Advanced Advanced Dungeons & Dragons was to me severley inferior to the original.
Harmon had, in the season 5 bonus clip, problems with the story adapting to the niche, instead of the opposite.

despite season 5 feeling like almost nothing but rehashes, I still effing loved it.

I do too, except for the last couple of episodes. Basic Story for the same reason as the latest episode. And AAD&D for the reason above.
Not to say I actually dislike any Community episode at all, in the sense that I on the whole enjoy watching them more than most US sitcoms.
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« Reply #633 on: 05-16-2015 06:26 »

Not to say I actually dislike any Community episode at all, in the sense that I on the whole enjoy watching them more than most US sitcoms.

The US has actually had a really good track record with tv comedies recently.

Off the top of my head: 30 Rock, Better Off Ted, Party Down, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Enlisted, Other Space, Parks and Recreation, Brooklyn Nine Nine, The Last Man on Earth, Eastbound & Down, Happy Endings, Arrested Development, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Broad City, Married, You're the Worst, Louie, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Veep, Silicon Valley, Big Time in Hollywood FL, The Comeback, etc... And I'm sure there are plenty I'm forgetting, too.

Granted, not all of these fit the criteria of a "sitcom," but I'd still rank most of them alongside Community in terms of quality (save from Community's second and third seasons, when the show was firing on all cylinders). Sure, American multi-camera comedies are generally terrible and always have been, but as far as the single camera comedies go (which Community is), we're still well and truly in the golden age of television. smile

I agree that the first Dungeons and Dragons episode was far better than the second one, though (and likewise for most of Community's "sequel" episodes).
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« Reply #634 on: 05-17-2015 01:33 »

I used to fly the flag of British comedy very strongly, but even I've somewhat turned my back on it in favour of American stuff in the last few years. I mean, hell, even limiting yourself to shows purely from 2015 so far, we have Community, Silicon Valley, Parks and Recreation, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Archer, Girls, American Dad and that one episode of The Venture Bros.

The only non-American comedy I've even bothered to watch from 2015 so far is Inside No. 9 -which, to be fair, was excellent, but that's one standout in a sea of American brilliance.

Basically, I agree with Beamer.
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« Reply #635 on: 05-17-2015 02:59 »

I used to fly the flag of British comedy very strongly, but even I've somewhat turned my back on it in favour of American stuff in the last few years. I mean, hell, even limiting yourself to shows purely from 2015 so far, we have Community, Silicon Valley, Parks and Recreation, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Archer, Girls, American Dad and that one episode of The Venture Bros.

The only non-American comedy I've even bothered to watch from 2015 so far is Inside No. 9 -which, to be fair, was excellent, but that's one standout in a sea of American brilliance.

Basically, I agree with Beamer.

I really enjoy how long it took you to get to the point. It must have been hard, here have a Gold Star.
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« Reply #636 on: 05-17-2015 12:31 »

Every post I've ever made on this forum is essentially me slowly getting to the point that I like Futurama.

Do I get a platinum star?
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« Reply #637 on: 05-17-2015 18:04 »


Well, maybe a dark matter star. smile

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« Reply #638 on: 05-19-2015 19:12 »

So, paintball was kind of a let down. It was a good episode, but I sort of feel like in order to justify doing more paintball at this point, you need to have a pretty phenomenal script to back it up. The concept had a nice spin on it, but... eh... it certainly doesn't come close to being my favourite of the season so far and it probably should be.
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« Reply #639 on: 05-20-2015 02:08 »

I actually quite enjoyed it, if only for the fact that my expectations were really low going in (I honestly think I groaned out loud when I first read that they were doing another paintball episode). It was consistently funny, which is all I ever really ask of the show. smile
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