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PEE Poll: Who is your favourite Doctor from the Doctor Who series?
Hartnell   -0 (0%)
Traughton   -0 (0%)
Pertwee   -0 (0%)
T. Baker   -4 (33.3%)
Davison   -2 (16.7%)
McCoy   -0 (0%)
McGann   -0 (0%)
Eccleston   -2 (16.7%)
Tennant   -4 (33.3%)
Smith   -0 (0%)
C. Baker   -0 (0%)
Total Voters: 8

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« Reply #440 on: 06-04-2011 20:33 »

excellent ending to tonight's episode big grin although the big reveal was done american style ie once for people who are smart and then again for those who are dumb!
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« Reply #441 on: 06-04-2011 20:36 »

She was what we all expected her to be from the beginning yet the other eps and clues managed to twist our ideas.

EPIC. big grin
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« Reply #442 on: 06-04-2011 21:07 »

While the 'big reveal' wasn't a total surprise it was well handled. I thought it was a pretty good episode although I'm not sure we needed so many characters from previous stories popping in.
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« Reply #443 on: 06-04-2011 21:10 »

While the 'big reveal' wasn't a total surprise it was well handled. I thought it was a pretty good episode although I'm not sure we needed so many characters from previous stories popping in.

Yeah it's kind of old now, they need a bigger budget ASAP.
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« Reply #444 on: 06-04-2011 21:14 »

 wtf? wtf? wtf? WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPEND? confused

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« Reply #445 on: 06-04-2011 21:15 »

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« Reply #446 on: 06-04-2011 21:40 »

While the 'big reveal' wasn't a total surprise it was well handled. I thought it was a pretty good episode although I'm not sure we needed so many characters from previous stories popping in.

The Sontaran Nurse, Victorian Silurian Samurai, her ward and the Cleric were all new characters.

Or are you a Space Racist who can't tell other species apart? tongue
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« Reply #447 on: 06-05-2011 05:50 »

It was a good episode (although they did kill off the two best newly-introduced characters, it seems), but, honestly, I had already guessed all the twists long, long ago. Nothing really new or surprising here, so it kinda felt like a waste of an hour of my life.
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« Reply #448 on: 06-05-2011 07:53 »

Well I'm going to have to disagree with some of you here.

Even though I already was pretty solid in the knowledge that River Song was Amy's daughter even before the episode began (and the reveal at the end was a bit dragged out and obvious...probably the only part of the episode that didn't work for me), this was probably my favorite episode since Matt Smith started playing the Doctor, and might be up there with my favorite episodes of the series. Everything was executed perfectly. It was also probably the most I've laughed at an episode since Matt Smith joined...you could tell that they've been trying to make the series funnier, but until this episode it hadn't really clicked for me. The jokes were just supremely well-timed in this episode.

I liked that they made Rory more awesome. I liked that the Doctor went through the whole gamut of extreme emotions (which I don't think we've seen on quite this level since an episode like The Doctor Dances with Eccleston). I liked that unlike in last season's finale the appearance of the Doctor's various enemies didn't seem pointless. I liked...well, there wasn't much I didn't like. Everything just worked for me (except the final reveal, as I said, although even that wasn't bad). Every dramatic speech, every light moment, it all clicked in a way that hadn't been clicking yet since Matt Smith became the Doctor. I'm now dying to see the rest of the season...why do we have to wait, dammit!
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« Reply #449 on: 06-05-2011 11:11 »

While the 'big reveal' wasn't a total surprise it was well handled. I thought it was a pretty good episode although I'm not sure we needed so many characters from previous stories popping in.

The Sontaran Nurse, Victorian Silurian Samurai, her ward and the Cleric were all new characters.

Or are you a Space Racist who can't tell other species apart? tongue
I was mainly thinking of the cameos by the pirates and spitfire pilots... human characters tongue
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« Reply #450 on: 06-05-2011 13:15 »

*JoshTheater's Thoughts*

Found a torrent? wink
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« Reply #451 on: 06-05-2011 16:56 »

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« Reply #452 on: 06-05-2011 17:32 »

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« Reply #453 on: 06-05-2011 18:20 »

She also flirted with Rory in last night's episode...
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« Reply #454 on: 06-05-2011 18:30 »

Yeah but it's more serious with the Doctor.
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« Reply #455 on: 06-05-2011 19:16 »
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To say it was heavily implied that River Song and the Doctor were married in Silence Of The Library/Forest Of The Dead when she first appeared would be a huge understatement, and I believe the Doctor has been well aware of it since then. The next time we saw her in The Time Of Angels, Amy asked the Doctor "Who is she, your wife?" and he said "Yes." I wonder why people forget these things, they stuck out to me. The fact that they were married wasn't supposed to be a reveal in this episode, it was something we already knew.
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« Reply #456 on: 06-05-2011 23:03 »

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« Reply #457 on: 06-05-2011 23:32 »

No, most of the Time Lords' abilities (such as regeneration) were gained through technological means - harnessing the power of the time vortex, staring into the untempered schism and what have you.

Because Melody was conceived within the TARDIS during its timey-wimey travels, it seems she was affected by some of the same phenomena that made the Time Lords what they were. She's not a Time Lady per se, but she's apparently gained some of their tricks inadvertently.
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« Reply #458 on: 06-06-2011 05:23 »

She's not Gallifreyian, but she is (at least part) Time Lady. It's like a square and a rectangle. You figure out which is which...

Also, she'll actually turn out to be
Actually, that reminds me that I really wish they'd do a crossover episode soon, possibly bringing in Paul McGann, but I know that likely won't happen until the 50th anniversary in 2013 when they'll do an N Doctors story. I would want it to be next season (2012), but next season will likely spell the end (or the beginning of the end) for Matt Smith's run (it'll be three seasons by that point). There might be another Doctor around for the 50th.
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« Reply #459 on: 06-06-2011 09:09 »
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All I can do is agree with most of the above. A brilliantly executed episode and really the first one in which Smith really does shine. If I have to nitpick, I absolutely hated the second revealing as much as I hate those new intros which Amy narrates before an episode -____- I can't believe we have that in Australia...

Other than that, I'm excited out of my mind for the rest of not just this season, but the series! But the one thing I'm wondering... does this kind of make River a permanent new (additional) companion by default? She isn't technically Gallifreyan but does possess Time Lord traits thanks to the time vortex exposure which enables her to regenerate, so it's not as if she's going to die any time soon.
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« Reply #460 on: 06-06-2011 13:57 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2011 13:58 »

I hope Matt doesn't stop after only 3 series. He's a great Doctor. I'd love to see him around as long as possible.

I'm not sure how I feel about River right now. I hope they don't keep her around permanently.
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« Reply #461 on: 06-06-2011 15:15 »

River Song also flat out SAID IT in Silence Of The Library/Forest Of The Dead when she first appeared, and the Doctor has been well aware of it since then. The next time we saw her in The Time Of Angels, Amy asked the Doctor "Who is she, your wife?" and he said "Yes." Why do people keep forgetting these things?

He said "yes" that he was Mr. Grumpy Face, not that River Song was his wife.
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« Reply #462 on: 06-06-2011 17:32 »

I hope Matt doesn't stop after only 3 series. He's a great Doctor. I'd love to see him around as long as possible.

It was revealed AGES ago that he signed on until 2013.

And about the N Doctors episode, we won't be seeing Chris Eccleston (9th), he confirmed in an interview he would NEVER go back for ANYTHING. frown
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« Reply #463 on: 06-07-2011 04:09 »

River Song also flat out SAID IT in Silence Of The Library/Forest Of The Dead when she first appeared, and the Doctor has been well aware of it since then. The next time we saw her in The Time Of Angels, Amy asked the Doctor "Who is she, your wife?" and he said "Yes." Why do people keep forgetting these things?

He said "yes" that he was Mr. Grumpy Face, not that River Song was his wife.

Yes he does addend that...but it's heavily implied by the delivery. It was a reference to what we already knew from River Song's appearance in season 4.
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« Reply #464 on: 06-07-2011 04:25 »

All he knew from then was that she somehow knew his name, which is hardly conclusive of anything.
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« Reply #465 on: 06-07-2011 05:00 »
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Actually he knew a lot more than that. From what she told him in those two episodes, he knew that they had traveled through time and done many, many things together, that she knew how the TARDIS worked, that he gave her his sonic screwdriver...but most importantly of all, he knew that she knows his real name, and as he said in the episode, there's only ONE reason he would ever tell somebody his real name. She never directly tells him, but you can tell that he clearly understood by the end. And even if the Doctor himself wasn't supposed to be completely sure yet, after that episode any audience member unaware of the obvious implication was clearly not paying attention.
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« Reply #466 on: 06-07-2011 05:08 »

The "River Song is the Doctor's wife" idea came about from a tabloid rumor several days before Silence in the Library aired. I remember this distinctly, because I was an active member of Outpost Gallifrey at the time. When I finally saw the episode, I looked for absolutely any indications that this was the case, and all I saw -- and all I've ever seen, in rewatching of the episode -- was River flirting with the Doctor, and revealing the fact that she knows his name. This does not say "wife" to me. At the most, this says "stalker."

Personally, the only reason I think he'd tell anyone his name was if he was truly dying, and it was his last chance for anybody to know. That would make me go wide-eyed like Tennant did. But to be completely honest, I don't see there having been any implication towards anything. Or at least, anything the Doctor reciprocates until extremely recently.
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« Reply #467 on: 06-07-2011 18:44 »

14 new eps have been comissioned by the BBC, still with Matt Smith. Then Steven Moffat tweeted this:

'14 eps + Matt DEFINITELY. I've got a plan and I'm NOT TELLING YOU WHAT IT IS. Now hush or River shoots you with her Spoiler Gun.#formaqueue'
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« Reply #468 on: 06-07-2011 19:09 »

Hopefully they keep Matt Smith for a good while yet. Also, hopefully they keep us in the dark about what's coming up.

I'm hoping the Daleks return eventually as well, but maybe not for another forty or so episodes. RTD kinda wore them out a little.
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« Reply #469 on: 06-07-2011 19:15 »
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The "River Song is the Doctor's wife" idea came about from a tabloid rumor several days before Silence in the Library aired. I remember this distinctly, because I was an active member of Outpost Gallifrey at the time. When I finally saw the episode, I looked for absolutely any indications that this was the case, and all I saw -- and all I've ever seen, in rewatching of the episode -- was River flirting with the Doctor, and revealing the fact that she knows his name. This does not say "wife" to me. At the most, this says "stalker."

If this is true, then I have no idea what to say to you, because when watching this episode (as I did VERY recently), the implication they they are going to be an item is so in-your-face it almost hurts (and I never heard any rumors or knew anything about River Song before seeing the episode). River's over-emotional response (she cries) to the fact that the Doctor doesn't know who she is, the way she describes big romantic gestures the Doctor did for her (she says the last time she saw him, he showed up on her doorstep and brought her to see the "Singing Towers") and says that she will be somebody he trusts more than anybody else in the universe, the fact that the Doctor is close to tears when she's dying, knowing this is somebody he told his real name to...it's all incredibly obvious what they're hinting at.

How long ago did you watch this episode? I have to guess not recently enough, and I recommend that you go watch it again to see what I mean, because if you really can't at all interpret any of the things in it to be hinting at the idea that they become an item, you must be completely out of your mind! tongue

In any case it doesn't matter now, since in the new episode, after realizing River is Amy's daughter, he says "But we..." and makes a kissy face, implying that he knows they are going to be an item. I can't think of any other information he may have gotten that would have pointed him to that, as River has barely hinted at it at all since her appearance in season 4.

Still, does anybody else care to chime in? Rewatch Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead and say whether you think they were hinting at it or not?
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« Reply #470 on: 06-07-2011 19:20 »

RTD kinda wore them out a little.

Agreed.
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« Reply #471 on: 06-07-2011 21:52 »

I just started watching Doctor Who... I've seen bits and pieces over the years, but I really sat down and started watching just a while ago - but I only started with Season 6.

As far as that goes, I adore Matt Smith just a little. But the mid-season finale has just absolutely blown me away... maybe because I haven't seen all of season 5 but... yeah. BF1221 kindly gave me the Eccleston and Tennant episodes, so I'll be diving straight in I think smile
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« Reply #472 on: 06-07-2011 21:56 »

Eccleston is amazing! Yeah I go on about him, but I miss him as the Doc so much. cry
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« Reply #473 on: 06-07-2011 22:08 »

I liked him in the episode I saw him in, but as of right now, Matt is just stealing my heart. I think it's the bowtie.
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« Reply #474 on: 06-07-2011 23:34 »

Eccleston is an awesome Doctor who is occasionally hampered by episodes with dodgy tone issues. But it's mostly fantastic.

Tennant I just feel bad for, because he got hampered with some of the worst stories and I find his Doctor's character incredibly unlikeable.

Smith is a double-stuff extra pack of wonderful with an excellent showrunner behind him, so it's a great time to start being a fan. Watch his first episode, The Eleventh Hour, as soon as possible.
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« Reply #475 on: 06-08-2011 00:42 »

For a long time I badmouthed Tennant since I didn't like him as much as Eccleston, but after seeing Human Nature/The Family Of Blood (my personal favorite and in my opinion the absolute best Doctor Who episodes of all time) I had to forgive him. His acting in those episodes was on an entirely different level and one I'm not sure any actor playing the Doctor will ever match.
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« Reply #476 on: 06-08-2011 12:38 »

Pft, Paul McGann for the win. I rewatched the movie last night and it made incredibly sad that he didn't get any more screen time. I thunk I'll have to check out his audioplays.
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« Reply #477 on: 06-08-2011 13:25 »

They're well worth a listen to, but are of uncertain canonicity. Which is a shame.
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« Reply #478 on: 06-08-2011 14:19 »

I haven't watched Dr Who regularly since the Jon Pertwee days though I did catch bits of Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, e.g.


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« Reply #479 on: 06-08-2011 15:41 »
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Aye, I've heard Eighth Doctor has a few issues in canon, especially due to them never showing the Ninth Doctor's regeneration. Also the whole "half human on my mother's side" part that was first raised in the movie.


Speaking of Paul McGann...
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