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« Reply #680 on: 03-25-2010 15:15 »
« Last Edit on: 03-25-2010 15:21 »


Also, Javier, nearly a century and half...

Still... it was so crappy and lame (at all levels, including the british officers) that i was expecting the Zorro to rescue Ricardo at any time from the evil priest
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« Reply #681 on: 03-25-2010 18:56 »

Didn't one of the writers back during season 2, or something, say that everything would be explained in a way that was logical/non-supernatural. It seems like they've quietly jettisoned that idea.
Perhaps the MiB has some SuperHerpes (evil) and Jacob is keeping him from spreading it all over the world?
Although the long life thing is still supernatural.
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« Reply #682 on: 03-25-2010 19:39 »

Thing is also the "island that has some extrange fenomena inside and can move arround " swtiched to "evil devil guy vs suspiciously good guy"
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« Reply #683 on: 03-25-2010 22:30 »

I don't think it changed, I think it's both. Honestly I'm almost positive there's a way to connect everything we've learned about the island in a logical way. I'm just not sure the writers will be able to do that in the amount of episodes they have left.
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« Reply #684 on: 03-25-2010 23:49 »

I'm pretty suspicious about MiB having quite obviously not been given a name yet. They name drop "Jacob" a hundred times... it's got to mean something when they do reveal his name, right??
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« Reply #685 on: 03-26-2010 00:40 »

Esau. Perhaps. Probably.
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« Reply #686 on: 03-26-2010 01:19 »

He kinda looks like a Keith.
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« Reply #687 on: 03-26-2010 06:13 »
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I loved this episode. It was the best flashback since The Constant (I miss Daniel and Desmond), one of the three best Season 6 episodes thus far with The Substitute and Dr. Linus. It now makes sense why they couldn't have gone into Richard's story before this point without confusing/spoiling. I saw some things coming, like him being a slave and Isabella being MiB, but I didn't see Hurley talking to dead Isabella coming. This really makes me wondering what Hurley'll do next, as he now seems to be the frontrunner of the Candidates.

Which reminds me: are the Candidates' numbers their ranks or do they have no meaning? Considering their numbers are the Numbers, I feel like they have meaning, but I'm surprised only 6 remain and those don't include Richard (Jacob's longtime representative), Ben, Ellie, or Whidmore. If they are ranks, I'm very interested in finding out who was #1.


I had thought about this before, but now it's obvious that the Island is the cap to Hell now. The electromagnetic activity at the Swan and Orchid? Energy from Hell escaping. Or it's the cap to a parallel universe, one only accessible from this junction, and the energy was the attraction of the mass of the parallel universe escaping. In the Hell scenario, Jacob is an angel who guards the cap and MiB is a fallen angel or possibly a tortured soul attempted to get off the Island "return home", wherever that is. In the parallel universe scenario, MiB is Flash-Sideways Universe's version of Jacob, who can't leave the Island because further blending of the two universes will tear the fabric of space-time or some crazy science fiction mumbo jumbo. If this is true, it explains why he hasn't been called his name yet. It would also explain why he said "Jacob took my body".

Or Hurley's still at the mental institution and this is all be in his head, which explains why he hasn't died, why he can see and talk to dead people who dead far from where he is (Charlie) and/or long before he alive (Isabella) when others can't (especially Miles), why's candidate #8 (the highest remaining, supposedly), and why the Numbers are everywhere and everybody's intertwined so perfectly. Or it could be the former answer but still all in Hurley's mind.
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« Reply #688 on: 03-26-2010 07:41 »

Has anybody asked where exactly Smokey wants to go once he gets off the island? Where his 'home' might be? I wanna know. Let me on the island dammit!
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« Reply #689 on: 03-26-2010 15:34 »

Alabama.
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« Reply #690 on: 03-26-2010 16:31 »

I don't know how literally we should be taking "Hell" in the context of this story. I think it's more saying that keeping MiB on the island is saving the rest of the world from turning to shit.
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« Reply #691 on: 03-26-2010 17:34 »

Please tell me im not krazy... the island could move in time as well as in space right?

I got in a light argument yesterday because coworkers said that the island was suposed to be in the pacific and Richard travel from Canary islands to america goes throught the atlantic..

i simply said that just means the island moved at least once between 1877 and 1950s , but they keeped saying that the island only moves in time, not in space..

Its pretty opbvios that it moves in space.. if it only moved in time it will be still allways there but only in different time "zones" .. in the season 4 end it was clear it dissapeared phisically


And good catch on the Esau Chay... the writers have gone a bit biblical here... the argument between Jacob and Smokey its the same as god and satan have in the bible .. Satan says that manking is evil by nature and god give him time to test and he cant interfere with manking to avoid corromping the result.. nevertheless acording to the bible satan is indeed trying to corrupt the results.. pretty much as same as Smokey does.

Still dont understand now Richard's role.. because if he tried to be a "good" influence the "the other" he failed misserably..  there is a contrapoint between the survivors of 815 and the survivors of the Black Rock, Black Rock officers murdered all survivors they could to increase their rations and water supplies for them...  while 815 survivors helped each other in order to survive despite that meant wasting resources (both Boone and that cop escorting Kate choose to die quite specifically to end suffering and stop wasting the survivors resources).. and then the others , the group assesored by Richard , came and began murdering survivors for no much reason along all seasons..

Oh.. and now.. who ordered the murdering of all DHARMA staff? It was Jacob suposedly.. but it was revealed that Jacob never had actually spoken to Linux...  was a Linux only thing? was Smokey in disguise? (Jacks father disguise for example) why Richard didnt objected to it?
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« Reply #692 on: 03-26-2010 20:22 »

The Island does move in space. It's explained in "316" by Eloise when they're all at the Lamp Post station. She says that the Island moves through space, so the pendulum and calculations are used to determine its probable location at a certain time. Here's the image of the floor:

As can be seen on the left side of the image, there are quite a few markings over a location in the central Atlantic Ocean off the Floridian coast. I'd say it's about where Bermuda lies. This is the likely location the Island was at when the Black Rock crashed there. The Island sometime appearing near Bermuda could be the Lost explanation of the Bermuda Triangle affect, especially since the Island would then move to another location, which seems to usually be in the Pacific, far from where the apparent crash site is and where salvage ships would look.
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« Reply #693 on: 03-26-2010 21:56 »

Javier, DHARMA was ok to die because they werent brought to the island. 
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« Reply #694 on: 03-28-2010 01:05 »

lol linux.
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« Reply #695 on: 03-28-2010 04:32 »

Ninaka, where are you reading?  I wanna see.
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« Reply #696 on: 03-31-2010 09:17 »

Aww, I completely forgot Jin and Sun had a daughter. Heh.

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« Reply #697 on: 03-31-2010 21:06 »

boring episode frown
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« Reply #698 on: 03-31-2010 23:02 »
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Kewl, Mikhal and Keamy, thugs of the alt timeline!
Them and Sawyer & Miles should get their own spinoff cop show.

Poor Jin and Sun can't get a break.

I think I realised who the skeletons in the cave are,
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« Reply #699 on: 04-01-2010 01:37 »
« Last Edit on: 04-01-2010 01:40 »

You know what I thought was great?

A few episodes back when a bunch of people were near where all the dead losties were, and Miles was like "Why would I want a bribe when there were 2 people here buried alive with diamonds."

That was awesome Miles, even connecting back the worst characters ever. (Other than Towelie)

Also, with the skeletons
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« Reply #700 on: 04-01-2010 03:54 »

Faze, I assume when the bomb went off, R&B came back to present too.
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« Reply #701 on: 04-01-2010 04:08 »
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ok, I was reading a little on lostpedia on Adam and Eve, and they said this about some anagram
 weird

Also apparently the word "cork" as it relates to the island is very important.  That it stops the evil from seeping out.  Think about Hurley's numbers.  Those numbers "seeped" out into the real world and eventually got to Hurley - and we know how much that has sucked for him.  If that is just a little taste of the "evil" MIB can do... yikes.
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« Reply #702 on: 04-01-2010 07:29 »

and here comessss DESMONDD!!!!!
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« Reply #703 on: 04-01-2010 08:52 »

Ninaka, where are you reading?  I wanna see.

http://community.livejournal.com/lost_tv/

I particularly like the after-episode discussion posts where people try and put theories together.

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Hah. It only hit me when they were dragging Jin into the kitchen fridge where they were. I'm all OMG IVE SEEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS... yeah, awesome...

Keamy's alive! He's so deliciously evil. I dunno why, but I like his talk.

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« Reply #704 on: 04-01-2010 16:25 »

He was creepy in Stargate too, ahh dem were the days.

Also Nadlers is like a nickname for balls:
"Quit touching my Nadlers!"

chay: You think we'll see R&B again before the end?
I can't check on imdb the full cast list thing is being a total dick.
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« Reply #705 on: 04-01-2010 18:17 »

We'll have to see them again, they've been featured too much for is to NOT find out what happened to them. Also, Vincent.

Yeah, Keamy was pretty cool.
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« Reply #706 on: 04-01-2010 18:30 »

Poor Mikhail, destined to only have one eye. And be, y'know, dead.

I'm scared though, does this mean Sun/their daughter could die in the island timeline? 'Cause they didn't look so good in the alternate timeline. They better not kill off Sun or Jin just as they get reunited, or I will act really sooky and give Lost the silent treatment for months like I did when they killed Charlie. I mean, the list does say Kwon, now Kwons.
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« Reply #707 on: 04-01-2010 18:48 »

If Sun dies off the island, will it effect her on the island?

Faze - I looked it up on imdb rose and bernard
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« Reply #708 on: 04-06-2010 21:54 »

I hope the show ends with Jacob making the final candidates fight it out battle royale style!
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« Reply #709 on: 04-07-2010 06:22 »

I think the fact I just realised what today meant and said "it's Wednesday!" in a low whisper-ish voice not unlike "my precious" may be a little bit sad. Oh well.
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« Reply #710 on: 04-07-2010 06:27 »
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Is it bad that while watching the episode that I predicted everything that subsequently happened within it? Does this happen for most people who watch Lost? Like I noticed the lack of a "woosh" sound when it went to the sideways universe and that this episode was The Constant but sideways (it mirrored The Constant with the use of George Minkowski and Daniel Faraday), and knew that that "Not Penny's Boat" was going to flash and that Desmond would flash in the MRI machine.

And this, like every other Desmond episode, was amazing. It was no The Constant, but still great.

Oh, and Eloise knows about the original timeline. Bee tee dubs.
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« Reply #711 on: 04-07-2010 10:18 »

That was awesome.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're meant to pick up on those obvious things (such as the 'not Penny's boat') unless that was the first episode you ever watched for some stupid reason. It is kind of lame that they seem to be connected to the other timeline by love, but at the same time it does make sense somehow. Wiminz are a strong force. tongue

 love Charlie, Daniel and Desmond  love

Laughy bit:
Sayid: BAM WHACK come with me
Des: Aye!
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« Reply #712 on: 04-07-2010 16:23 »
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I think it's universally agreed that Des is awesome, great episode, good symmetry.

Nedroids twitpic page spoiled the ending! frown
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« Reply #713 on: 04-07-2010 16:58 »

Dammit Vincent!
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« Reply #714 on: 04-07-2010 19:13 »

Haha, Air Bud. I remember when that movie came out, I thought the main kid was dreamy. Now..not so much no no

Poor Vincent has been ignored this whole time. He's probably Jacob and Smokey's nanny or something.
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« Reply #715 on: 04-08-2010 08:40 »

uhhhh AWESOME EPISODE!

I was like big grin when Dan showed up. DAN!!!

This whole line was kinda cool, what with the whole Whidmore family making an appearance. I'm a little concerned that Des has gone back to his crazy brain jumping again...
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« Reply #716 on: 04-08-2010 10:00 »

okay....

So with Charlie being all crazy... notice how whenever he tries to kill himself (incl. Desmond) he can't?? Something always stops him? THE ISLAND WONT LET YOU DIE. Familiar?

Dawwww Charlie & Claire AND Daniel & Charlotte (by reference) AND Desmond & Penny? Loved this episode. Everyone was kinda fitting together.... and...

NOT PENNY'S BOAT, everyone. Don't forget it.

So... Des is in a reality where Eloise is like an all knowing being, and it's another alt-reality... well, it's like Real Time vs Imaginary Time (not alternate universe)

Love how the side-flashes happen where whenever someone comes near to death they see themselves in the other "reality" where they're with the person they're meant to be with... creeeeeepy awesome!

Also, Penny... uh if you're working out alone in an empty stadium and someone comes up into your space and suspiciously knows your name, why would you not run away?! Yeah okay, let's meet up for coffee random stranger who's making googly eyes at me.

Anyway, we love Des. That's just universal.

Did anyone laugh at the way Charlie was running down the hospital stairs? It was so funny watching him be so speedy in a hospital gown. Funny face like a toddler... "eeee downstairs fasterrrr!" face heh
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« Reply #717 on: 04-08-2010 10:43 »

Also, Penny... uh if you're working out alone in an empty stadium and someone comes up into your space and suspiciously knows your name, why would you not run away?! Yeah okay, let's meet up for coffee random stranger who's making googly eyes at me.

Yeah, all i could think when watching the start of that scene was "Rapistrapistrapist".

GREAT episode. So glad it's starting to happen now. When they were teasing Daniel, and even when his head first popped into frame to talk to Des, i was thinking they hadn't got the actor back. But so glad they did smile
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« Reply #718 on: 04-08-2010 16:06 »

I thought it was weird for Penny not to be all RUN AWAY! when Des came up to her as well, but then when she's saying bye she's all girly-nervous-happy so it's kind of like she felt something as well and that's why she wasn't scared..?

Heh, when Charlie was running down the stairs all I noticed was his shoes and I'm pretty sure I exclaimed "EEE, cute shoes!" when I noticed. hmpf
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« Reply #719 on: 04-08-2010 21:08 »
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Dawwww Charlie & Claire AND Daniel & Charlotte (by reference) AND Desmond & Penny? Loved this episode. Everyone was kinda fitting together.... and...
That's basically how it works for everybody in Sidewaysiverse. They aren't influenced by Jacob, they never go to the Island, they fulfill their dreams. Well, for the most part (Sun, Jin, Sawyer, Kate). Sure, Jack is divorced, but he got the family he always wanted.

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So... Des is in a reality where Eloise is like an all knowing being, and it's another alt-reality... well, it's like Real Time vs Imaginary Time (not alternate universe)

Love how the side-flashes happen where whenever someone comes near to death they see themselves in the other "reality" where they're with the person they're meant to be with... creeeeeepy awesome!
Eloise does know about the other universe. I'm interested in how she came upon it.

I think the Claire image for Charlie was just him coming to near death, but Desmond's flash of Penny was him being unstuck in time again (like The Constant) and he was seeing the "real" universe. The MRI machine flashes are the same. The EMP machine in the "real" universe that was used on Desmond affected him with electromagnetic waves that unstuck him in time again, but this time to an alternate timeline instead of the past. And this time his "real" self is not in the driver's seat but is just along for the ride. He sees what's going on, but can't do much. His alternate self momentarily became out of it when "real" Desmond jumps into his body, as well as when he jumped out (he passed out in the stadium). I think somehow that the alternate universe has to become a casualty to allow the existence of the "real" universe to be maintained. Or it could be the other way around. One has to die.

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Also, Penny... uh if you're working out alone in an empty stadium and someone comes up into your space and suspiciously knows your name, why would you not run away?! Yeah okay, let's meet up for coffee random stranger who's making googly eyes at me.
Didn't they meet in a stadium the first time? And maybe Penny say the other timeline too? There seems to be some sort of déjà vu-like realization by the characters when they meet somebody in the alternate universe, like a wave from the "real" universe telling them they know them.
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