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BrainSluggo

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« on: 03-07-2002 03:29 »

"South Park" began its new season tonight. It was by far the most pukeadelic episode ever, with stuff even MY fetid, rancorous, filthy imagination could not conceive of.

Most shocking of all, Kenny is dead. For good. He's not even in the season's opening sequence; he's been replaced by Butters (and occasionally by Timmy, apparently).

I can understand why, I guess. Kenny had no real dialogue, and they had run through every possible variation of his signature gag imaginable. Twice. But I had hoped we would learn his secret...

(Think about it; he lives in the same town as Jesus, and dies and is resurrected every 24 hours without fail. Connection? Now we may never know. My theory: The sins of the father are visited upon the son. Jesus: deadbeat dad.)
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« Reply #1 on: 03-07-2002 05:15 »

It sucks if he really is gone forever, Butters is OK but he isn't as good as Kenny  cry
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« Reply #2 on: 03-07-2002 06:39 »

Yeah, I heard about the possibility of this happening since May last year and now it happened. That really does suck. At least we have Butters, though.

   
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« Reply #3 on: 03-07-2002 06:52 »

And Timmy! Don't forget Timmy! Tim-Tim gets to sing Kenny's part of the opening theme (his lyrics, of course, are "Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy, Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy!&quot wink.

Constant references are made throughout the newest episode to Kenny's recent death, and how the kids all like Kenny more than Butters--so they're being pre-emptive about the reaction to this change. Kenny, naturally, could return from the grave anytime, but now the show and the movie finally actually mesh, regardless of how Mr. Hat and Satan broke up...

I'm wasting too many brain cells on this, aren't I?
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« Reply #4 on: 03-07-2002 08:29 »

 
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I'm wasting too many brain cells on this, aren't I?

No more than when you actually watch it

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« Reply #5 on: 03-07-2002 11:16 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
And Timmy! Don't forget Timmy! Tim-Tim gets to sing Kenny's part of the opening theme (his lyrics, of course, are "Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy, Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy!"  wink.

Timmy sucks donkey balls, he should have been the one killed off  mad

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« Reply #6 on: 03-07-2002 12:40 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
Most shocking of all, Kenny is dead. For good. He's not even in the season's opening sequence; he's been replaced by Butters (and occasionally by Timmy, apparently).

Except for an injoke between me and some of my ex-coworkers (her son's name is Timmy  wink ), Kenny was a much better character.  He had the filthiest mouth and they could get away with it since it was so muffled.  Guess they have no need for subtly now though.
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« Reply #7 on: 03-07-2002 13:07 »

Wow so it's true that Keeny get's killed off  frown

He'll be back

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« Reply #8 on: 03-07-2002 13:13 »

Yep, Kenny's dead. I think this show should join him.

When the show's writers are aware of how hackneyed the show has become (at one point, they had a character literally beating a dead horse), it's time to pack it in.

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« Reply #9 on: 03-07-2002 13:16 »

I always saw SP as at the opposite end of shows like The Simpsons and Futurama. I did watch the movie and was somewhat amused by it, but not enough to watch the show. The potty-mouth kids schtick wore off long ago anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: 03-07-2002 14:37 »
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I always liked Duckman killing off Fluffy and Uranus better than SP killing Kenny anyway.  Plus, Duckman had a ton more humor and wit.  Well, at least the first three seasons did.
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« Reply #11 on: 03-07-2002 14:58 »

 
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Yep, Kenny's dead. I think this show should join him.


Agreed.
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« Reply #12 on: 03-07-2002 15:17 »

It's a pitty Kenny has departed from the show, he was one of the coolest characters but I guess their reasons were valid.
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« Reply #13 on: 03-07-2002 16:20 »
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Yep, Kenny's dead. I think this show should join him.
                       


 
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Originally posted by DrThunder88:Agreed.

I all so agreed.

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« Reply #14 on: 03-07-2002 16:43 »

 
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I always liked Duckman killing off Fluffy and Uranus better than SP killing Kenny anyway.  Plus, Duckman had a ton more humor and wit.  Well, at least the first three seasons did.
Duckman was so funny, i loved that show.

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« Reply #15 on: 03-07-2002 16:49 »

SP certainly shouldn't be killed, even if Kenny has been, it is one of the funniest show on TV, I look forward to new SP as much as I look forward to new Futurama  big grin
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« Reply #16 on: 03-07-2002 17:46 »

Yeah, they're really breaking new ground, aren't they? They're making fun of... that Jared guy! Wow, that's REALLY cutting edge!
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« Reply #17 on: 03-07-2002 18:12 »

And that whole aids joke. Got aids?
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« Reply #18 on: 03-07-2002 18:28 »

Different strokes for different folks. I, too, love "Park" as much as "Futurama," and I can say without hesitation that "Park" is far more consistent in quality, regardless of how one may feel about that quality. Any ass can apply every criticism used here against "Park" just as easily to "Futurama"--just read the "Futurama" page at the "Jump The Shark" site. NO, I don't agree with them; that's my point.

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« Reply #19 on: 03-07-2002 18:45 »

I love both shows.  I think both are funny for their own reasons. South Park is still a favorite of mine.  smile
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« Reply #20 on: 03-07-2002 19:51 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
Different strokes for different folks.

I agree, Diff'rent Strokes IS a much better show than South Park.

 
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Any ass can apply every criticism used here against "Park" just as easily to "Futurama"

What if your criticism is "crappy drawings/animation"? It would be hard to argue for South Park over Futurama in that department.

 
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I don't want to clog up your thread with my South Park hatred, but this joke here pretty much sums up what I don't like about the show. The whole joke is that he sounds like he's saying a curse word. There's not much substance behind the dirty words, and even when they try to make a point, it's so obvious and belabored(gee, censoring curse words and not violence sure is hypocritical! Thanks for pointing that out, South Park writers!) it makes me want to puke.

You might be right about Futurama not being the most consistent show in the world, but at least it has real characters and interesting, semi-logical stories.
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« Reply #21 on: 03-07-2002 21:05 »
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You might be right about Futurama not being the most consistent show in the world, but at least it has real characters and interesting, semi-logical stories.

And class, Jeff, you forgot about class.
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« Reply #22 on: 03-07-2002 22:05 »
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Eh, gringo, you obviously don't appreciate low brow toilet humour.
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« Reply #23 on: 03-07-2002 22:08 »
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Nixorbo, you left off your signature--you know, with the link to the "You're A Fag" picture--in your message about "class."

Oh my, yes, "Futurama" never uses nudity or curse words, or naughty phrases--like "jacking on" to suggest the OTHER form of self-abuse--or talk about hookers and drug/child/elder abuse and illicit sex. It's as pure as the driven snow. 

"Crappy drawings/animation" is subjective--as are opinions about writing quality (or what "semi-logical" means)--and a different STYLE of animation does not automatically make it garbage. Any discussion of older, cheaper anime amidst its fans will reveal that. Some people worship CGI without question; some think "Jurassic Park" should've been done only with stop-motion effects. I still like claymation, but it's not the only form of animation I, um, "tolerate." (I use quotation marks here because whether I like it or not, it continues to exist and be otherwise popular, strangely enough. Wild, isn't it?)

One thing is certain; "Park" characters stay on-model. And I like them, even enough to be moved by them on occasion--so the makers are doing something right. Or else I'm just stupid, right, right.

Heh heh, I remember back when FOX and "The Simpsons" were both young, and they were considered the most disgusting, class-devoid things on TV--nothing but cursing and low-brow writing and crappy animation...

(Pointless-or-is-it? Anecdote: I remember talking to someone at work about "South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut;" she had taken her little kids to see it, and dragged them out inside the first ten minutes. When I asked her why she took her children to an obscenity-laced, R-rated movie, with all the warnings, she didn't give me the expected "duh, all cartoons are for kids" horseflop; she told me she lets her ten-years-and-younger kids stay up until 11 p.m. watching the Comedy Central show, but the movie just "went too far." WOW. Criswell: God help us, in the future...)

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« Reply #24 on: 03-07-2002 22:59 »
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Nixorbo, you left off your signature--you know, with the link to the "You're A Fag" picture--in your message about "class."

So you're going to tell me that South Park has class and doesn't stoop to the lowest common denominator, or may in fact BE the lowest common denominator?

 
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Oh my, yes, "Futurama" never uses nudity or curse words, or naughty phrases--like "jacking on" to suggest the OTHER form of self-abuse--or talk about hookers and drug/child/elder abuse and illicit sex. It's as pure as the driven snow.

Cause, you know, that's what the show is centered on, right?  That's all Futurama is about, right?  Every other word that comes out of Bender's mouth is a swear word, and Fry runs around puking over everything, right?  It takes cheap shots at cripples and the mentally retarded, right?  Or am I watching the wrong show?

  roll eyes laff  laff  laff
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« Reply #25 on: 03-07-2002 23:48 »

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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
Nixorbo, you left off your signature--you know, with the link to the "You're A Fag" picture--in your message about "class."

Originally posted by Nixorbo:
So you're going to tell me that South Park has class and doesn't stoop to the lowest common denominator, or may in fact BE the lowest common denominator?

Reply: I'm not sure how you got THERE from the part of my message you site--but yes, "South Park" has class. It ALSO stoops to the lowest common denominator, just like the regular bowel references and other lowbrow gags on "Futurama" (which also has class and higher-grade stuff in it) do.  smile I can name at least five shows on FOX, off the top of my head, that reach farther for the lowest common denominator. "South Park" at LEAST is willing to question the politically-correct widely-accepted "wisdom" of the day. Does "Glutton Bowl" do that?

"South Park: BL&U" was one of the highest-rated films of its year of release, and made quite a few critics' Top Ten lists. Huh.

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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
Oh my, yes, "Futurama" never uses nudity or curse words, or naughty phrases--like "jacking on" to suggest the OTHER form of self-abuse--or talk about hookers and drug/child/elder abuse and illicit sex. It's as pure as the driven snow.

Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Cause, you know, that's what the show is centered on, right? That's all Futurama is about, right? Every other word that comes out of Bender's mouth is a swear word, and Fry runs around puking over everything, right? It takes cheap shots at cripples and the mentally retarded, right? Or am I watching the wrong show?

Reply: No, but you might be reading the wrong messages. Because I didn't say any of that--right? "South Park" is heavier on the cursing, puking, and cheap shots, but that's hardly the begin-all/end-all of either show--even though both have them to the degree their networks let them get away with. I seem to recall Human Bender vomiting green bile over everything in a recent episode, Farnsworth's advanced senility is always up for shooting at, and the deformed mutants suffer plenty of "ugly" jokes meant to be both cruel and funny. Both shows slip in nipple-shots when they can get away with it, but neither one is all about "what they can get away with."

"Futurama" is still young; if it were to run as long as "The Simpsons," I'm sure it would have a Ralph Wiggum-level "special" child or two, and it already has its share of racial and cultural stereotypes and "cripples" (not MY word) cached in the "safety zone" of its robot citizens. Tinny Tim, anyone? Robot Mafia? Again, this is not what either show--or "The Simpsons"--is all about, but both use them to try to "pack the seats."

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« Reply #26 on: 03-08-2002 00:27 »

Children, children.  no no
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« Reply #27 on: 03-08-2002 00:31 »

Nixorbo- You forgot to mention South Park's singing dancing piece of shit in your discussion on its classiness...    laff

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« Reply #28 on: 03-08-2002 00:33 »
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Yes, Papa? What's the matter, Papa? Nixorbo and I are playing nice, aren't we, Nixorbo? No hostility here! (giggle giggle)     big grin

Right now, I'm watching everyone eating alien children on "Futurama." Mmmmmm, classy.*

Oops! Cellery slipped one in while I was typing! Thanks for the Mr. Hankey dancing pic! With stains, even! Howdy-ho!
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« Reply #29 on: 03-08-2002 00:50 »

 
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You forgot to mention South Park's singing dancing piece of shit in your discussion on its classiness...
And you forgot to mention his son with a peanut in his head.
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« Reply #30 on: 03-08-2002 02:43 »

Do we really need to fight over this?  People have different opinions about what they watch on TV, why try to prove on another that we are right?
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« Reply #31 on: 03-08-2002 06:20 »

Oh, sure, here comes a GROWN-UP to spoil our fun. (throws self on floor, kicks legs and screams)   smile
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« Reply #32 on: 03-08-2002 08:20 »

 
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"Glutton Bowl" do that?

::Sideshow Bob shudder::

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« Reply #33 on: 03-08-2002 15:25 »

My opinion - I like South Park but no where near as much as Futurama.
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« Reply #34 on: 03-08-2002 15:49 »

 
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Oh my, yes, "Futurama" never uses nudity or curse words, or naughty phrases--like "jacking on" to suggest the OTHER form of self-abuse--or talk about hookers and drug/child/elder abuse and illicit sex. It's as pure as the driven snow.

I'm not saying Futurama is completely devoid of dirty humor. But there's usually something behind all that. For instance, the Jacking On gag--behind the masturbation reference, there's the premise of a robot getting addicted to electricity, and then bouncing back to become caught up in a robot cult and then sent to a robot hell. It's hard to defend this episode, because it's one of my least favorites, but still, you can see how there is a reasonably funny premise that spawns the gag. South Park, on the other hand, would probably devote an entire episode to a character jacking off, with various characters saying "Shit dude, he's jacking off!" and "Oh my god, he's jacking off! That bastard!". Maybe I'm wrong, but the episodes I've seen, and the jokes that I hear other people talking about sure haven't proven anything else to me.

 
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"Crappy drawings/animation" is subjective

Well I guess if you really want to be argumentative, you could say that your five year old daughter's drawing of the family dog is better than the Sistine Chapel. But I find it hard to believe that anyone who appreciates art would agree with that, just like I find it hard to believe any animation fan would say South Park(with its jerky movements and limited camera angles) is better animated than Futurama.

 
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Heh heh, I remember back when FOX and "The Simpsons" were both young, and they were considered the most disgusting, class-devoid things on TV--nothing but cursing and low-brow writing and crappy animation...

Yeah-heh, I remember that too. But The Simpsons never really tried to be edgy. Even though people may have complained, it was no more vulgar than any other live action sitcom. Other FOX shows, like Married With Children were way worse. The Simpsons just tried to be a normal, funny show. South Park is vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, and I think the producers know this. Remember the big "shit" episode? All the commercials hyped up the fact that they now say shit. They didn't show any jokes, they didn't even try to convince us that the show was legitimately funny. They just shamelessly promoted the show to kids who still think saying shit is funny.
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« Reply #35 on: 03-08-2002 16:17 »

Well, I just heard about Kenny. To be honest, I don't care. I haven't watched the show in eons. I like Futurama better.
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« Reply #36 on: 03-08-2002 18:53 »

Fishy Joe: "Well I guess if you really want to be argumentative, you could say that your five year old daughter's drawing of the family dog is better than the Sistine Chapel."

Not "better"...different. This is like comparing archery to baseball, or ice hockey to golf. All sports, but very different and appreciated on different levels. (I don't think anyone in their right mind would compare a five-year-old girl's scribble to the Sistine Chapel...nor would they be justified in telling the little girl that she's some kind of waste of space because "the Chapel's better.&quot wink

"South Park"s animation is so simple for a good reason. Actually, three good reasons:

It recalls a simpler, innocent era (cue Tweek's Coffee nostalgia music) before computer animation, when all US animation WAS for kids (whether for good or bad)--which comes into conflict with today's complete loss of innocence (reflected in the show's writing), for parody's sake.

Also, the simpler animation lets the makers get away with stuff that the use of even the crummiest cel animation wouldn't allow. If the latest episode's liposuction scene was any more realistic--let alone the recent "making doggy milk" bit, yargh--I would've blown my lunch all over the screen. Instead, I flinched--and laughed.

Third, Parker and Stone can take advantage of recent events more quickly with the simpler animation. They created an entire episode over the course of less than a week--conception to voicing to finish, working 48 hours without sleep--to poke fun at the massive overkill on both sides of the Elian Gonzales debacle. (This week's "Jared" episode was not about Jared; it was about deceptive marketing to the desperate, weight-loss obsession, and "politically-correct" overreactions. The Jared-Subway thing just gave them the best hook to hang it all on. The writing, like the animation, is deeper than you give credit for; it isn't all swearing and puke.)

If every animated program had Disney-grade cel animation--or all 3D-computer graphics--or all claymation--or all cut-out animation it would be terrible. Ham sandwiches on white bread, all day every day. "Beavis" is different from "The Critic" which doesn't look like "Reboot" which is different from "Sifl & Olly" which doesn't look like "Snow White" which is different from "South Park" which doesn't resemble "Monsters Inc." which ain't "Ren & Stimpy" which doesn't look like "Gumby" which looks like nothing on "Liquid TV" which doesn't have much in common with "The Last Unicorn" OR "Batman: The Animated Series" OR "Davey & Goliath" OR "Invader Zim." OR "Futurama."

And I'm thankful for that.
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« Reply #37 on: 03-08-2002 19:38 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:If every animated program had Disney-grade cel animation--or all 3D-computer graphics--or all claymation--or all cut-out animation it would be terrible. Ham sandwiches on white bread, all day every day. "Beavis" is different from "The Critic" which doesn't look like "Reboot" which is different from "Sifl & Olly" which doesn't look like "Snow White" which is different from "South Park" which doesn't resemble "Monsters Inc." which ain't "Ren & Stimpy" which doesn't look like "Gumby" which looks like nothing on "Liquid TV" which doesn't have much in common with "The Last Unicorn" OR "Batman: The Animated Series" OR "Davey & Goliath" OR "Invader Zim." OR "Futurama."

Who shot who in the what now?

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« Reply #38 on: 03-08-2002 20:17 »

I like the way that Southpark gave up on stop-motion photography and cartridge paper after series one, abandoning it all for computer aminmation carefully constructed to look like stop-motion photography and cartridge paper.
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« Reply #39 on: 03-08-2002 21:43 »

Yes! Now that's craftsmanship! It's not a self-microwaving Bavarian cream dog, but...
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