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Pitt Clemens
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by evan: I think a good point to judge "JTS" from is this: whenever a show starts to make a lot of self-referential jokes, it's a sign of writers trying too hard. Hence, end it. I hope you're wrong about that.
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El Zilcho
Professor
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Yeah, and Space Cases totally jumped the shark when they replaced that one girl with her imaginary friend!
*silence*
...Wow, even the crickets went silent with that one.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by evan:
I think a good point to judge "JTS" from is this: whenever a show starts to make a lot of self-referential jokes, it's a sign of writers trying too hard. Hence, end it. That's a little debatable, but I sort of agree. Remember that many great shows started refering to themselves early on (the first seasons of The Simpsons and Futurama included), and I don't think that self referencing itself is ever a "cause" of a JTS. Its definetely a sign in many cases, at least when in excess. In fact, The Simpsons ran into the problem a few times, first in season five (a big dip IMO from seasons 1-4, luckily seasons 6 and 7 were far better and interestingly had much less meta-humor it seems), and then again later in the Scully years. They have too much of it now though too, which is actually one of the only really big flaws I have with the show currently. But yeah, remember that meta-referencing as a JTS point rule isn't neccasarily a foolproof way of spotting JTS points. Its a fairly common one, but there's more consistant ones I think, like characters suddenly acting differently with not explanation or depth.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by David A: What about shows that make references to jumping the shark?
Phil used the phrase "You just jumped the shark." in an episode of Ed.
That 70s Show had a scene where Fez (as Fonzie) literally jumped the shark.
Yes but who cares about either of those shows... I don't think mentioning JTS is neccasarily a JTS point. Daily show referred to it once or twice and is still going as strongly as ever. The Simpsons has referred to it to but, at least the first time, it was genuinely funny (and in any case it was way after the show had already jumped, and after the Scully era was over with). Evan: Yeah, just clarifying. As far as "Poochie" goes, you're right that a lot of that was about tv in general instead of about OFF itself, but there were plenty of references before that. Season five had plenty for instance, with much of Bart Gets Famous, "the following week on Thursday" in Homer Loves Flanders, etc. Even season one had Grandpa being offended by the use of the term "family jewels" on tv, despite that the same episode uses the term earlier.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by David A: You're kidding, right? The Daily Show is a pale imitation of what it once was. Don't get me wrong, it's still funny; but it jumped the shark the day that Craig Kilborn, A. Whitney Brown, and Brian Unger left.
To be fair I never saw the Kilborn era, although from what I've generally read about them the show actually got a lot better when Stewart came in. But judging by episodes I saw before and after I saw the "jump the shark" mention, it hasn't declined at all. In fact what I've generally read is that the Kilborn era was just an imitation of Letterman, Leno etc (ya know, unfunny dreck) whereas when Stewart came in it actually became a satirical show. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Col. Klink
Professor
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« Reply #58 on: 12-18-2003 09:18 »
« Last Edit on: 12-18-2003 09:18 »
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Originally posted by evan: Literally. Yeah but it was supposed to happen. She did it because she was going crazy, Like the rest of Humanity. Its pretty much Taboo to Criticise Neon Genesis Because theres a very great chance that you dont get it. NO ONE gets it. Perhaps the world over There are many different people who got different aspects of the show (Not including the writers ) And if you rolled them up into one they mght get it but otherwise.... I'm just watching End of right now. It shouldnt have been made, The voices are bodgy. They should have left it unmade. Which leaves me wondering something. Is it just us Foreign Devils who dont speak Japanese who dont get it. Maybe because we (or at least I) only watch the translated version and the Dialogue isnt an exact translation (because thats impossible) It only seems wierd and theres actually not all that much to get and its not Particularly deep afterall. Maybe I am seeing things that arent there. Ahahaha. Yet more Philosophical Bullshit to and Fuel to the Neon Genesis Fire!!!
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Pitt Clemens
Urban Legend
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Why end of evangelion "Had" to be made: Gianax's Budget ran slim for Episodes 25 and 26 on TV. Hideaki Anno likes to makes people deeply sad, and the TV ending while having NOTHING to do with ANYTHING was too happy. Also, as far as I'm concerned, the whole movie Jumps the shark when Shinji beats his meat over comatose Asuka.
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