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« Reply #280 on: 09-12-2013 02:32 »
« Last Edit on: 09-12-2013 02:40 »



I love you, Tyraniak. smile

And yeah, they'd been hinting that the Goodman show would be a prequel for a while now... It's possibly the only time I've EVER been excited about a spin-off.
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« Reply #281 on: 09-12-2013 02:37 »

What about the Simpson Family Smile-Time Variety Hour? Were you never excited about that?
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« Reply #282 on: 09-12-2013 03:38 »

I'm still disappointed that Chief Wiggum, P.I. never came into fruition, frankly.


This is the best thing that has ever happened in the history of the medium of television! We're getting Huell's origin story! red face

I was going to wait until the entire demi-season was over and then watch them all together, but I caved in yesterday and had a mini-marathon when someone started telling me about how flippin' exciting it was getting. That sure did hit the spot. "Next week, one of these beloved characters will die."
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« Reply #283 on: 09-12-2013 16:59 »

If you said Bleeding Gums Murphy and Doctor Marvin Monroe, you are wrong: they were never popular.

I don't know how I feel about this spin-off thing. But I'll watch it...then decide. Right now, I feel...full of tea.

I love you, Tyraniak. smile

Second.

You know, I think I have become desensitised to every other show/movie ever since I saw Walt and Jesse dissolve a guy in the bathtub and then have to clean it up. This show really has been a great ride.
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« Reply #284 on: 09-13-2013 01:02 »



I'm not necessarily booing you Maz... well, maybe a little. smile

From this.
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« Reply #285 on: 09-13-2013 02:45 »

Alright. It's official. I can't sympathize for Walt any longer. Even after he poisoned Brock, I still felt he had some humanity left. But, nope. He tried to get them to kill Jessie. Great episode, though. A huge cliffhanger. I was actually suprised by the entire episode, it was very unpredictable.
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« Reply #286 on: 09-13-2013 18:00 »
« Last Edit on: 09-13-2013 18:03 »



I had only watched the first season and then was way too busy with other stuff to follow  up, but this spring i downloaded s2-3-4-5a and holy shit was I missing out!, I've been watching secularly every sunday for season 5b.

How can the neo-nazis not have shot that piece of shit Hank or Gomie, this is ridiculous, hopefully the killing spree will be swift at the beginning of the next episode.

And now I get some of the ad hominem jokes ralph fart would make about me...it's what happens when you confuse real life and tv. Also so when you are the representation of everything that is wrong with america >_>

Fuck yeah, magnets!
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« Reply #287 on: 09-13-2013 18:14 »

Alright. It's official. I can't sympathize for Walt any longer. Even after he poisoned Brock, I still felt he had some humanity left. But, nope. He tried to get them to kill Jessie. Great episode, though. A huge cliffhanger. I was actually suprised by the entire episode, it was very unpredictable.

He also saved Jesse from at least a couple caskets, the guys he drove over, Krazy 8...jesse is in debt to walt and his little "my mom didnt hug me enough" behaviour is sickening. After Jesse and Hanks douche-bagness last episode, I'm now totally okay with both of them getting killed.
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« Reply #288 on: 09-13-2013 19:04 »
« Last Edit on: 09-13-2013 19:13 »

Walt has been unsympathetic since season 1 where he turned down his ex-colleague's money for treatment because he was too proud, instead choosing to unnecessarily become a criminal in an extremely dangerous field that ended up inevitably putting his family in mortal danger. It was an unconscionable choice, and the choices he's made since then have only become worse and he has only developed less regard for the safety and wellbeing of others. He allows Jesse's girlfriend to die, has Jesse kill Gale, poisons Brock, detonates a bomb in a nursing home, and shoots Mike when he doesn't need to, because they are all solutions to his problems that don't require him to sacrifice anything himself. He would rather let others die than give up anything he holds sacred...in other words, he's horribly and malignantly selfish. He rationalizes his behavior as being for the good of his family (when in reality it's only been terrible for them) and draws lines for himself when it comes to morality as a means of fooling himself into believing he's still a good person at heart, when really his main driving motivation is his ego and lust for power. As soon as he is in a tight enough spot, which of course only he is to blame for being in in the first place due to his criminal enterprise, his lines of morality will be thrown out the window and any innocent bystander will become fair game in order to achieve his ends. He has zero conviction.

Jesse, on the other hand, may be whiny, immature, and needy, but at least since killing Gale he truly wishes to avoid harm coming to innocent people. He would most likely sooner run, give himself up, or die than allow others, especially children, to be hurt. Personal debt has nothing to do with it. Jesse's first priority right now is making sure Walt can't hurt anybody else, as we've been shown he inevitably will, either through self-interest or stupidity. In other words, Jesse is doing the right thing, unlike Walt who will only do the right thing if it works out in his favor.
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« Reply #289 on: 09-13-2013 20:10 »
« Last Edit on: 09-13-2013 20:29 »

Pride is not a sin, it's a value.

Remember Hank and Walt smoking that cigar by the pool and saying how what's allowed or not is arbitrary....he was/is on a mission to reshape the world around him while he has that cancer sword hanging over his head the whole time. When such happens, I fully support a fully solipsist view of the world to take over.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/359822-Breaking-Bad/page93

Pluggin' that site that i'm mods on just for this thread cos it's better than here wink
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« Reply #290 on: 09-13-2013 20:57 »

What? Walt's not on a mission to change the world. He originally wanted to leave some money behind when he died, so that his family weren't burdened by debt. But he's not been focused on that for quite a while now. Walt said it himself: he's in the empire business. All he's after is the wealth and the power that he never had whilst he was a timid, meek, law-abiding citizen repressing his inner rage and darkness.

He was proud in the beginning. He wanted to do things his way. But he should have taken Elliott's offer. He should have accepted a job with Gray Matter. Instead, he chose to "break bad", and now he's no longer just proud. He's become self-serving, ruthless, amoral, and vicious. He abandoned the last shreds of his morality when he allowed Jane to die.

By contrast, Jesse has been slowly awakening to the realities of what he's been doing to himself and others. He was a selfish, immature punk with issues in the beginning. Now, he's... well, a selfish, immature punk with issues who wants to save others from being dragged down into Hell by Walt, the way he has been.

Hank is arguably the one who's undergone the most development throughout the series. He started as a loud, brash, unsophisticated jerk with a badge (although even then, we could see that he cared deeply about his family - including Walt). He's matured somewhat, and been tempered by his experiences, but he's also learned what the important things are in his life. What he should truly cherish. His wife, his family, the job that he does in removing people like Walt and Gus from society. Those have become more important to him as the loud, brash, unsophisticated jerk has been stripped away and rebuilt by the events of the show. He's got a deeper heart and mind than he had before, and despite the temptation that must have been there to simply blackmail Walt or even offer to help out for a cut of the money, he's never lost sight of doing the right thing, and trying to make the world a safer place.

Walt isn't making meth as part of some crusade on behalf of civil liberties. He's making drugs because it's big money and he doesn't care who gets hurt. Walt's been a truly evil man since he lost sight of his real priorities. Hank, on the other hand, isn't some by-the-book, only-worth-his-badge cop with no imagination or sympathy. He truly wants to make the world a better place and is trying to do the right thing. Even if he's still something of a jerk at times, he's doing what he can to be "the man he's meant to be".

There are some interesting thoughts on bluelight though.
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« Reply #291 on: 09-13-2013 21:37 »
« Last Edit on: 09-13-2013 21:40 »

I still find Walt sympathetic, but that's pretty much down to Bryan Cranston's incredible performance. Plus he's got a very warm face for a man who also looks grizzled enough to realistically be this mythical Heisenberg figure.

At any rate, finally giving in to the idea of killing Jesse is certainly not a straw-that-broke-the-camel's back moment, as far as I'm concerned. He's done worse things in the past.
To be honest, the moment where he kills Mike is probably the worst thing he's done if you ask me. That was a completely unnecessary killing, almost purely just because he lost his temper. But my point is, if I was going to stop feeling empathy for him, I would have done it long ago.

Also, I agree about Hank being a good guy. I always loved how well rounded a character he was, given how that type of character tends to be completely two-dimensional, usually. He's a good person, but he can be a bit of a loutish, jock-type. That doesn't make him bad, but it's clearly enough to turn some people against him, as is the fact that he's going up against Walt, who's clearly still got lots of people on his side in spite of the awful things that he's done.
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« Reply #292 on: 09-13-2013 21:58 »
« Last Edit on: 09-13-2013 22:00 »

I think the season three finale with them taking out Gale was the real turning point in the show for me where my mind was really changed about who both Walt and Jesse were as people. Seeing how totally unremorseful and not shaken up Walt was about the entire thing in comparison to Jesse's life-changing guilt really solidified my perception of each character's capacity for empathy and regard for human life.
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« Reply #293 on: 09-14-2013 04:46 »

"Having enough money to leave behind for his family" ceased to be Walt's motivation the moment he accepted Gus's 3 million dollar offer. He had multiple opportunities to get out of the game, come out on top and relatively clean, but from this point on, nothing he did anymore could be considered selfless. He said it himself earlier this season: "I'm in the empire business."
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« Reply #294 on: 09-14-2013 05:02 »

He originally wanted to leave some money behind when he died, so that his family weren't burdened by debt. But he's not been focused on that for quite a while now. Walt said it himself: he's in the empire business.

"Having enough money to leave behind for his family" ceased to be Walt's motivation the moment he accepted Gus's 3 million dollar offer... He said it himself earlier this season: "I'm in the empire business."

So that's why your posts are so popular. You steal your ideas from me. tongue
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« Reply #295 on: 09-14-2013 05:38 »

Your posts were designed to be read and not just briefly skimmed? eek
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« Reply #296 on: 09-14-2013 15:00 »
« Last Edit on: 09-14-2013 15:07 »

Oh I forgot, Skyler got decent and not just annnoying bitch only in season 5b..and even still...that pile of cash ? Huell and that guy knew how to enjoy it, hell they should have had a cash fight.

Yeah she was fucking acting inconvienced by it. Like, "Oh godddd, you had to make 80 million? Not 15 million? This pile is just so biiggg, Jesusss. Forget shit loads of people don't even have a job in this country and we're sitting on a room full of cash, it's so anooyyingg."

*Punches in the nose*

Shut the fuck up.

Also, regarding the analysis by tnuk and josh right after my post...ahem, the guy wants walt to die in prison of cancer...I'm gonna quote somebody else on bl here on that

"Honestly if I were Hank, I would've handed Walt the Leaves of Grass book and told him to burn it.

Family comes before society.

"La familia es todo." Hector Salamanca"

And to me that is the obvious morality issue in the show.
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« Reply #297 on: 09-14-2013 22:53 »

Walt has hurt and endangered his family, when there was an alternative. It could be argued that making sure Walt is recognised by them as having become a monster is the best thing for Walt's family. Hank doesn't just want Walt to be put away for the sake of society. He wants his family to be safe from him.

Because family is important to him. More important than it is to Walt, too. Otherwise, he'd have taken the job with Elliott, and paid his bills that way. But he was too prideful, and he enjoyed the excitement of breaking the law too much. Walt's problems are entirely of his own making and entirely to the detriment of his family. Pride and greed have made him as much a danger to his family as he is anything else to them, and so Hank would very much like to remove that threat to both them and society.

If all Hank wanted was to protect society and himself, he'd have told Walt to burn the book. He'd have demanded money to keep quiet. He might have asked Walt for the names of the people now selling the blue meth, and taken their ring down. But he wouldn't be going after Walt. That's going to cost him his job, remember. What Hank is doing, he is doing for family (and because it's the right thing to do).

He is doing the right thing, because he believes in doing the right thing no matter what the cost to him. But he's also doing the right thing because if he doesn't, there will be a danger to his family. Walt has become dangerous to everybody, and Hank can't ignore that. So the right thing for both family and society is to take Walt down.
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« Reply #298 on: 09-15-2013 02:33 »
« Last Edit on: 09-15-2013 02:41 »

Did you just read my last post ?

Had Hank destroyed the evidence and ignored the shit and had a heart, he wouldn't be well...relatively, 2 seconds to 5 minutes from death wink . The show is surely about two sets of values set one against the other but my opinion, not what tnuk decides is set in stone the good thing would have been to let go. Had he done that, the show would be over yes, lol, but it would have been the right thing and everyone would have died in peace, now look where his extra-legal vigilantism brought him, in front of multiple fully automatic guns...he'll die smile La Famille c'est tout
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« Reply #299 on: 09-15-2013 02:48 »

I was just saying that if family is all, then Walt has to go. Right now, Walt is the biggest danger to his family, and the biggest thing they've been endangered by since the beginning of the series.

To protect Walt's family, Walt has to go down.
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« Reply #300 on: 09-16-2013 03:03 »
« Last Edit on: 09-16-2013 03:07 »

Yet he will not, Gilligan has announced that Walt will stand VICTORIOUS at the end, even if it means everyone else has to die.

Not his intention though, I see you ignored the part where I discussed that it was all about solipsism from both sides of the point of views about the whole thing. Had Hank ignored/destroyed Leaves Of Grass and didn't even talk about it and accepted his big new job as the head boss of DEA leaving the shit dangerous job he had before. It was win-win for everybody. Yet no his pride, his holier-than-thou cos I'M THE LAW prototypical cop attitude has indeed destroyed everything.

Like I said, had he destroyed evidence for the sake of peace and family, nothing would have happened to anyone as Walt was OUT of the game and was spending his time peacefully with even him of all people. But the show would have ended there....so obviously the show had to go on for people with your set in stone biased view of that fictional reality and the enjoyment of those who root for Walt to enjoy him waste all of the people espousing your point of view and of your precious arbitrary selected and applied values/views while also valid in some way, which is why I brought in solipsism.
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« Reply #301 on: 09-16-2013 04:07 »

Yet he will not, Gilligan has announced that Walt will stand VICTORIOUS at the end, even if it means everyone else has to die.

Shit. Now I don't really feel like watching tonight's episode. Honestly, I've been really looking forward to Walt's comeuppance and the triumph of law and decent society. I had assumed that the higher Walt rose, the further and harder he'd fall. That was the payoff I was expecting. Now I feel like the end of the series will ultimately be just as dissatisfying and hollow-feeling as if Hank had told Walt to burn the book.

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I would have said it was impossible, but you've done it. You've ruined Breaking Bad for me.
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« Reply #302 on: 09-16-2013 06:14 »
« Last Edit on: 09-16-2013 06:32 »

Hah.

And I wonder what he has left to do now...you were aware this was the third to last episode right ? and the flashforwards with the new hampshire plaque and the m-60 gun ? Surely you would know he'd escape and get rid of all of his parasites.

I hate Marie so much.


And honestly everyone is sick of the obvious law and & order and the "good guys" winning all the time on tv/movies...this show is magnificent due to the incredible realism involved.

Believe me, it does not feel hollow right now, this episode is one of the most touching so far of the series and there's many feels moments...

Another thing I love about this show is it brings to light how fucked the drug war is.
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« Reply #303 on: 09-16-2013 08:57 »
« Last Edit on: 09-16-2013 10:00 »

That was easily the most intense, nail-biting, balls-to-the-wall insane climactic hour of any television series that I have ever seen and will likely ever see. I mean, I know there's still two episodes left, but I will honestly be surprised if they manage to match all the shit that went down and how everything seemed to come to a boiling point in this episode.

Also, FYP, you do realize that Vince Gilligan has publicly said numerous times that he thinks Walt is unsympathetic and evil, right? If you can honestly root for Walt after watching the latest episode, you're a terrible person as well, and you've entirely missed the point of the series.

Even if Walt lives at the end of the show, I imagine the point of him living will be that he's lost everything and lives in a self-created hell, void of everything that once gave his life purpose and realizing that he's to blame for it being gone. A punishment worse than death.
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« Reply #304 on: 09-16-2013 11:44 »
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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


That episode felt like it was 10 minutes long.

Breaking Bad usually feels like a long show to me - in a good way, but that one absolutely flew by. The last time I had an episode feel like it was over so quickly was "Full Measure". Absolutely nail-biting stuff.

Anyway, I think that Walt can easily get his comeuppance whilst still standing "victorious". I mean, this episode dealt a pretty huge degree of punishment upon his character, even if it wasn't legally distributed punishment.

He had to push his family away and cause them to believe that he was even more of a monster than he actually is so that they'll let him go. He's lost everything in his world that matters to him.


Also, I'm pretty pleased with my prediction for how things were going to turn out:
I don't know if it'll be just for revenge. That's not really Walt's style.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get something like them taking Jesse and Walt hostage in order to use Jesse as collateral to force Walt to cook meth for them - only, they plan on keeping him forever so that they can make Walt cook indefinitely, leading to Walt staging a big rescue mission which will culminate in him being mortally wounded, but saving Jesse and the two of them making peace again before Walt dies.

Obviously, they've taken Jesse so that they can keep him making the meth. I imagine, now, that Walt is going to go after Todd's gang to get his money back and try to reinstate some degree of his pride and, once there, will see what they've done to Jesse and will end up saving him and making up with him to some extent.
Then my guess would be that he'd turn himself in to the law, but that goes against Vince Gilligan's comments, so maybe he just rides off into the sunset.
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« Reply #305 on: 09-16-2013 15:56 »
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Also, FYP, you do realize that Vince Gilligan has publicly said numerous times that he thinks Walt is unsympathetic and evil, right? If you can honestly root for Walt after watching the latest episode, you're a terrible person as well, and you've entirely missed the point of the series.

Stop it with the disagreeing with fyp for the shit of it, you little nbome head. There is no single point to the serie, it's obviously a clash of two different valid views on handling family affairs when things go to shit. There is the cold logical one and the retarded raging emotional way. Read up on what solipsism means, idiot without mandatory philo classes in college. Vince also said what I just said, he said he was "surprised" how  many people still rooted for Walt, because he supposed most people were arbitrary rules and snitch/cops family back-stabbing people "unless I testify against you" Marge Simpsons.

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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


That episode felt like it was 10 minutes long.

Breaking Bad usually feels like a long show to me - in a good way, but that one absolutely flew by. The last time I had an episode feel like it was over so quickly was "Full Measure". Absolutely nail-biting stuff.

Oh my yes....I had to try to fix a very boring bug in linux mint 15 for the whole time where I had to wait so I could dl it from 9 pm to 10h05 to make it endurable and the payoff was wonderful....I've felt so sad for everybody, except Jesse and Hank, what they did in the previous episode is inexcusable.

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Anyway, I think that Walt can easily get his comeuppance whilst still standing "victorious". I mean, this episode dealt a pretty huge degree of punishment upon his character, even if it wasn't legally distributed punishment.


He had to push his family away and cause them to believe that he was even more of a monster than he actually is so that they'll let him go. He's lost everything in his world that matters to him.

If only they could be using logic and ignore feelings like such situations require but no, mom tries to stab dad, kid turns his dad on to cops etc.

It broke my heart they just didn't obey him in this most critical moment....all of that because of MARIE'S MEDDLING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS. Had she known he was dead first....that would have been interesting. I would have loved to see her go batshit insane like the illogical puny purple woman she is.

The ricin capsule, mr cyber_turnip....he surely plans on eating it after whatever amazing shootout with the nazis we have incoming.
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« Reply #306 on: 09-16-2013 17:22 »
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Disagreeing with you for the shit of it? No, you got it wrong, I'm disagreeing with you because you're an idiot.

I don't see how the idea of "family is all" is any less emotional and any more cold and logical than the idea that one should have to be held accountable for harming others. But even if we were to go by the idea that family comes first, then Walt is still the bad guy in that situation, because he's the one who originally put his entire family in mortal danger by getting into the meth business. Even as early as the beginning of season 3, there were cartel members coming to Walt's house with axes who would have most likely have wasted Skylar and Walt Jr. had they been home. There's nobody to blame for shit like that other than Walt. Everything that's happened this season is a direct logical result of Walt's criminal enterprise, hence he has clearly done more damage to his own family than anybody else.

Not only that, but Walt has directly hurt or killed people. That's why Hank and Jesse went after him, not just because they think "oh hey he broke the law so he goes to jail derpaderp", but because Walt has shown himself to be a legitimately dangerous individual and they wanted to ensure that he wouldn't hurt anybody else or cause more damage to the family, which they had zero reason to believe wouldn't happen again. The only reason things turned sour is because of Walt's own stupidity in not realizing that Todd's uncle and gang wouldn't just let things go. He not only associated with but hired criminals even more dangerous than himself to murder. Hank and Jesse couldn't have counted on that, that's solely Walt's bad and of course it came back to bite him.

You sicken me, fyp. Your morals are all informed by simplistic principles with nothing to back them up that you take at face value, and yet you accuse others of exactly the same thing. You lack compassion, and seem to view empathy as a weakness. Jesse is tortured and forced to work under threat of loved ones being murdered, and you think it's just? Jesse wanted to put Walt away because he poisoned a kid. You think that's not a good fucking reason to help put somebody in jail, and instead that doing so is an offense punishable by torture? You're a philistine.
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« Reply #307 on: 09-16-2013 17:35 »
« Last Edit on: 09-16-2013 17:44 »

Excuse me, by the end of season 5a, he was OUT, everyone was safe, and I won't repeat what I said Hank should have done with the evidence. You sicken me for wishing somebody with cancer to go to prison (they don't give out pain meds in prison either). I already told tnuk about this and I won't bite your trolling pole. Walt poisoned a kid just enough so he would be out the exact time he wanted him to be out, because Walt is the smartest person in the show by far. He's living with the consequences of living in a world full of retards, arbitrary rules and injustice, if you rewatch season 1 you see the guy just was pretty happy to get cancer.

The ad hominem attacks fly low for a fucking tv show eh ? I'm gonna tell you who's the idiot here, the kid going to take a liberal arts degree (music in your case) or me who's going to sweden do post-doctoral research pharmacology in Sweden in early 2014 ?

mad or troll much
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« Reply #308 on: 09-16-2013 17:44 »



Walt's pants from the pilot
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« Reply #309 on: 09-16-2013 17:52 »

Great find!

Also: HOLY SHIT. A main character died within the first five minutes of the episode and that was nowhere near the most emotionally devastating thing that happened... The performances alone during all of the family scenes were just phenomenal. I especially loved Walt's to Skyler. All he's got left at this point is the "Heisenberg" persona, and to see him clinging to it so desperately was borderline heart-breaking.

Seriously, I'd love to say more, but I need some damn time to process what just happened and how I feel about it. Holy fucking shit.
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« Reply #310 on: 09-16-2013 18:16 »

Well, that didn't take long

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« Reply #311 on: 09-16-2013 18:40 »

I find it slightly hilarious that FYP thinks he's the only logical one, when his arguments are completely emotional and irrational. "People with cancer shouldn't go to jail!" "You can't arrest a wanted criminal if he's your in-law! Family first!"

Look, obviously you're a smart guy, FYP. Your college degree is sooo much better than my college degree, good job! I am very proud of you and your swedish gynecologery--that is all very impressive. In this case, however, I think your arguments are a little silly.

Walt is a bad bad man. If you're rooting for him, then great! There's nothing wrong with rooting for the bad guy. But your arguments for why you think Walt is good and Hank/Jesse/everybody else are evil have been more than a little absurd, so far.
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« Reply #312 on: 09-16-2013 18:53 »



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« Reply #313 on: 09-16-2013 19:32 »
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I find it slightly hilarious that FYP thinks he's the only logical one, when his arguments are completely emotional and irrational. "People with cancer shouldn't go to jail!" "You can't arrest a wanted criminal if he's your in-law! Family first!"

Look, obviously you're a smart guy, FYP. Your college degree is sooo much better than my college degree, good job! I am very proud of you and your swedish gynecologery--that is all very impressive. In this case, however, I think your arguments are a little silly.

Walt is a bad bad man. If you're rooting for him, then great! There's nothing wrong with rooting for the bad guy. But your arguments for why you think Walt is good and Hank/Jesse/everybody else are evil have been more than a little absurd, so far.

Solipsism bitch!

Gynecology would be boring, how can you get excited by a vagina after years of studying/prodding/ fisting some just for science. Nah, there is still valid views for being on Walt's side, I admit he did bad things, but to me it's about just killing Mike for pretty much nothing...that disappointed me.

I'm much more disappointed by a crazy bitch who attacks orders from her husband with a fucking knife like a psycho and then  have the kid call the cops saying he stabbed her.

MORALITY, LOL

ps. never said i was the only logical person, anyway there's a little pidgin giving me news that half of the debating against me is manufactured for old time's sake wink I look forward to Walt taking revenge on the nazis for killing Hank, cos like i said, family is all, which is the point of the show. Jesse betrayed him while Walt was pretty much treating him like his son, so he went after him. Hank wanted to destroy him, and Walt being family, broke the code, TOO. It's all a big mess, but don't get me wrong, the one with this set of value should hate the most is Mary, from season 1 "OH MY GOD WALT JR SMOKES DA DEVIL WEED" while her the hypocrite and also Skyler enjoyed it too for a while in their life, which lead to discovering Pinkman etc. I could go on and on but there is no point going further smile
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« Reply #314 on: 09-16-2013 20:04 »

how can you get excited by a vagina after years of ...fisting ...just for science.

I'm not sure that's quite what a gynaecologist does. Anyway, Walt's gone pretty far off the deep end now (I watched it after all). I'm not sure you can claim that he isn't a danger to his family any more. I mean, that knife scene was pretty intense shit. There could have been killing. I was half expecting Skyler to end up with the knife in her chest.

killing Mike for pretty much nothing...that disappointed me.

I think that was intended to show you just how far Walt's progressed in his path to the dark side. He began as somebody who was horrified by the idea of violence and murder, and now accepts it as just part of the job. Which is what made me incredibly relieved to see that he left the baby at a fire station. He's bad news, and the baby's better off with Skyler and Marie than it would have been with him.

His phone call also struck me as being as much for the sake of Skyler as anything else. All that repetition that it was "all his", and saying that he's been warning her for a year that if she crosses him he will kill her. He hasn't actually done that. I think that was intended to protect her from the law, from the consequences of being at least partially complicit. To protect her from Marie's anger, as well.

Not that this excuses or redeems any of his actions. I just think that perhaps Walt isn't as broken as he sounded, and maybe still has a plan. Perhaps the M60 isn't so he can go out like Tony Montana. I'm thinking now that he's got enough fight left in him to make the finale truly interesting (especially in light of the implication that he will survive).

Poor Hank though. At least he died well, at least he managed to make good account of himself even as he lay bleeding on the sand. Hank deserved better than what he got, Gomez too. But I suppose that it was inevitable Hank would die from the moment that he started taunting Walt about his tricks with the photo.



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« Reply #315 on: 09-16-2013 20:18 »

I thought the phone call was obviously his way of "clearing" Skyler from charges and ridicule. He's taken all of the blame, he's made it seem like he was forcing her into being complicit - as we know, that isn't true - and, I mean, he was crying as he said all of it. Tears like that aren't representative of the emotion he was portraying on the phone. He was obviously acting for the sake of his family and it's little moments like that that make him still a character that I can root for. He's not completely evil. He still has some good in him.

But that's not to say that I'm rooting for him against the other characters. I don't really want any of the main characters to get any sort of comeuppance at this point. Todd, sure - but I don't want Skyler or Marie or Jesse to come to any harm.

Well, even that's not entirely true. If them coming to harm makes for a fantastic ending to the story, then I'm all for it. I'm just not actively lusting for their blood.
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« Reply #316 on: 09-16-2013 20:26 »

I thought the phone call was obviously his way of "clearing" Skyler from charges and ridicule. He's taken all of the blame, he's made it seem like he was forcing her into being complicit - as we know, that isn't true - and, I mean, he was crying as he said all of it. Tears like that aren't representative of the emotion he was portraying on the phone. He was obviously acting for the sake of his family and it's little moments like that that make him still a character that I can root for. He's not completely evil. He still has some good in him.

That was also a double edged sword, since he obviously knew the police were there he might be able to clear Skyler's name, but it made it look like he intentionally killed Hank which means he's basically severed all ties to his family. I'm guessing that's why he first took Holly and then came to his senses about that
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« Reply #317 on: 09-16-2013 21:25 »

Walt's pants from the pilot

I liked that callback and spotted it straight away, but is it really logical? Would those pants have been out there for just over a year? hmpf
totalnerduk

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« Reply #318 on: 09-16-2013 21:33 »

Walt's pants from the pilot

I liked that callback and spotted it straight away, but is it really logical? Would those pants have been out there for just over a year? hmpf

Who's going to take them? A vulture? A scorpion? You?
DannyJC13

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« Reply #319 on: 09-16-2013 21:47 »

Who's going to take them? A vulture? A scorpion? You?

Some homeless wanderer? That Indian guy wasn't too far away from them.
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