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« Reply #320 on: 01-16-2008 00:31 »

Chris Harris, Ron Killings and Paul Wight plan to come to WWE.  I hope they push them well. I hope they have Paul Wight vs. Great Khali.  That's a big dream match I've been having.

Chris Harris should go to ECW and team with CM Punk to feud with the likes of Elijah Burke and Shelton Benjamin to help push them into the title hunt.

Killings should go to smackdown since Cena's on RAW and I understand they don't get along in real life over some beef they have.  It would suck to have Killings released just because of some problem with Cena.
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« Reply #321 on: 01-19-2008 07:27 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2008 00:00 »

Killings stated in an interview recently that he has no beef with Cena - it was just a work. 

TNA just... baffles me.  They put on an aggravating regular Impact on Thursday night, and then followed it up with the best one hour show they've ever produced in Global Impact, which made TNA seem like a worldwide leader, got Tomko over as a monster with a three-dimensional personality, did the same for Team 3D, only instead of the monster aspect, they seemed overjoyed to finally work in New Japan, while Angle came off like a world beater instead of complete joke like on Impact. 

Hopefully TNA learns some lessons from that, as I'd like to see more serious wrestling on their shows and less 20 minute segments IN THE DEEP BLUE SEA with the Shark family.  I can't wait to get Global Impact's DVD release - so far, it's set to have the 6 TNA-NJPW matches on the Tokyo Dome show, and more documentary footage not shown on TV.  I'm hoping they go for a full-length documentary, as they've certainly got enough material for one. 

Heck, just being able to go to Best Buy and purchase a show full of NJPW wrestling at the Tokyo Dome is going to be a surreal, awesome experience.

Edit - Oh, and the Herb Abrams UWF tapes are airing at 1 and 1:30 AM on ESPN Classic. This past Friday's first show was epic, as Albano buried talent, buried the match they were in, and it was so bad that Bruno asked Herb Abrams just why these shitty workers were hired (but did so in the nicest way humanly possible), leading to Herb basically saying it's because he gives anyone a chance... and then he ran wild on the heels and fell on his ass when trying to just stomp people. 

I'm so glad I taped this show, because it was the most wonderful trainwreck of a TV show I've ever seen, and it actually got slightly more insane with the main event, which had a million weapon shots and baffled the announcers.
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« Reply #322 on: 01-30-2008 01:06 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2008 01:06 »

CENA WON THE RUMBLE.  All is well.  I'm a little disappointed that guys such as Elijah Burke, Shelton Benjamin didn't have that much time in the rumble.  We could've seen them really progress, since rumbles are a way of pushing guys.

2 Elimination Chamber matches at No Way Out

RAW Chamber: Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, JBL, Jeff Hardy and Umaga

winner faces WWE champ at WM

Smackdown Chamber: Batista, Undertaker, MVP, Finlay, The Great Khali, and Big Daddy V

winner faces World champ at WM

I'm wish Kennedy was in the RAW Chamber.  I hope ECW has a Chamber match.  Here's who should be in it.

ECW Chamber: Kane, Shelton Benjamin, Elijah Burke, CM Punk, Paul Wight (making his return) and Marc Henry

winner faces ECW champ at WM

No Way Out should be like TNA's Lethal Lockdown, every brand should have their own Elimination Chamber match.  Doesn't that sound like a great idea?
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« Reply #323 on: 01-30-2008 07:42 »

Since Vince himself has not only given the green light for an incest angle, he's been pushing for it for a long time.  He even wanted his daughter Skankanie to play along that her child was his also.

There's a line that can be crossed and it becomes unforgivable.  Vince has now past that line.  I haven't watched any wrestling at all since the beginning of this year - now I'm giving up on it completely.

So Vince can continue being the asshole that he is in real life.  Hunter can continue being the insecure backstage manipulator and Flair can finally retire.  I won't know or care because I quit the "sport" completely.  I'm not a worker, I'm not a fan.  The whole putrid program known as RAW as explode into an firey, pus-filled death.

I'm not as bitter towards Vince and company as Tom Zenk and Warrior are (both are people I converse with via e-mail regulary), but then Vince has only screwed me over as a fan, he screwed both of them over in real life.

Now for something I can't believe that I'm typing.  I agree with a lot of Warrior's latest blog/rant.  Especially the Hogan comments.

Enjoy.

 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/01/23/dead-long-before-28/
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« Reply #324 on: 01-30-2008 13:56 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2008 13:56 »

RAW may not be as good as in the old days, but I really like ECW.  Hope they go somewhere with Colin Delaney and Tommy Dreamer.  I like the idea of Dreamer being like a mentor to Delaney and Delaney becoming extreme, like the next Mikey Whipwreck.  I remember they tried that mentoring this with Chris Benoit and Gunner Scott a few years ago, but WWE didn't follow through with that.

The Delaney getting hurt is similar to the Sharkboy storyline, though I don't know who first started it, Sharkboy storyline was used to make fun of the number injuries that WWE superstars were having.

Bobby Lashley is gone.  That's a shame, I was hoping for a Kennedy/Lashley feud at WM, since Kennedy takes credit for Lashley's injury.  Kristal says that Lashley is due to racism.  If they go to TNA, then I see a Somoa/Lashley match in the future.

Chris Harris has signed with WWE.  I hope he goes to ECW.  Killings needs to go to Smackdown.  I'd start him out by feuding with MVP and taking his title. 
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« Reply #325 on: 02-04-2008 01:22 »

 http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=151747680

Randy Orton's official myspace.  Add him and post a comment on how you really feel about him.
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« Reply #326 on: 02-16-2008 21:11 »

Oh crap.  Another idol of my youth is dead.  He had slowed down during the early 80's but was know as a "Hooker" - if you fucked with him he could put you in your place very quickly.

He won almost every title in the Mid-Atlantic area.  My favorite match with Johnny Weaver was when he took on Jack Brisco for the NWA World title.  A hard fought match that lasted the one hour time limit - they shook hands at the beginning and end of the match.  One of the few face vs. face matches that sold out every venue in the Mid-Atlantic.

The Weaver Lock No More!

Wrestler Johnny Weaver dead at 72.

Charlottean was master of Sleeper hold, the South's back roads CLEVE R. WOOTSON JR.

Johnny Weaver, a Charlotte wrestler who mastered the Sleeper hold, died Friday of natural causes. He was 72.

Weaver, who later became a Mecklenburg sheriff's deputy, was found in his home by fellow deputies after he didn't show up for work on Friday.
Funeral arrangements had not been finalized by Friday night.

Weaver, who started wrestling in 1955, often fought in the old Charlotte Coliseum and in the 1960s and 1970s went up against foes like Baron von Raschke and the Missouri Mauler. He was in the ring in an era when Charlotte was a wrestling capital and performers would drive themselves to matches across the South.

"He was one of us," said George South, who tag-teamed with Weaver in the 1980s and was put in a Sleeper hold by him at a Spartanburg reunion a
year ago. "It was nothing to run into him getting a cup of coffee at a gas station."

In his 50s, Weaver became one of the oldest people to take the basic law enforcement test and ultimately joined the sheriff's office. He spent most of his 19-year career transporting prisoners on the same back roads he'd traveled as a wrestler and promoter, colleagues say.

"Anytime we'd need to go anywhere, we'd ask Johnny," said Capt. Mike Smith. "If you needed to get from Surry County to Buncombe County,
Johnny could tell you how to get there. And he could probably tell you where to eat along the way."

On the Web
 www.johnnyweaver.net
 
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #327 on: 02-19-2008 15:18 »

I hear Raven is no longer apart of TNA.  He should go to ECW.  I can imagine him feuding with CM PUNK.  He could mess with Punk's straight edge image.  That would be a good rivalry.

Nice to see Big Show back in WWE, though he feud with Floyd Mayweather, Jr is based on the fact that Big Show had a failed boxing career and is now back in WWE. 
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« Reply #328 on: 02-19-2008 16:15 »

I cannot believe that Hardy isn't going to the main event at Wrestlmaina. No, he isn't the best wrestler ever, and he is a little unreliable sometimes due to his personal life, but he has earned it, he puts his body on the line every time he goes out, and the audience is absolutly fucking hot for him. Sending Triple H to the main event for the umpteenth time just doesn't make any sense to me, people have seen Triple H versus Orton several times before, and Triple H vs. Cena several times before.
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« Reply #329 on: 02-19-2008 16:33 »

I've given up on the sorry products as of the first of this year.

TNA is crap, WWE is the All-McMahon, All-The-Time show. 

I had great hopes for TNA when Kurt Angle went there, but now he's the HHH of TNA, WWE is just pure crap.  The only things going for WWE was the freshness of a Jeff Hardy push and Chris Jericho's return.  HHH saw that he undermined both.  Jesus Christ, he married the daughter of the boss and has buried every perfomer on the roster, what else does he want?
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« Reply #330 on: 03-11-2008 18:25 »
« Last Edit on: 03-11-2008 18:25 »

The AWA is on ESPN Classic at 1 AM from Tuesday morning to Saturday morning. It is quite awesome, and I've fallen in love with Larry Zbysko's stalling, interrupting poor Larry Nelson at every possible opportunity, and hearing Stan Hansen cut fabulous promos.

An early Vader match (with him wrestling under his real name) will be airing during tonight/tomorrow morning's AWA broadcast on ESPN Classic. The previous airing featured an excellent interview segment with Larry Zbysko putting himself over, a match where he did that AND beat a jobber, then complained on the mic until time ran out, a Nick Bockwinkel video package aired with the '80-est '80s graphics EVER preceding it, and Stan Hansen destroyed Jerry Blackwell leading to him facing Curt Hennig in an AWA World title match that went to a time limit draw, and established Hennig as someone who could fairly contend for the world title, and COULD have won it had the time limit not expired.
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« Reply #331 on: 03-18-2008 18:00 »

It's a shame that Jeff Hardy not only is suspended for 60 days, but his house caught fire.  That is so unlucky.

I hear Sting plays to return to Lethal Lockdown as part of the war games.
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« Reply #332 on: 03-19-2008 03:23 »

I guess that Jeff's meth lab exploded.  I hope that Vince has him on a suicide watch.

Another great passed away this week.  Gary Hart, one of the greatest uber-heel managers ever.  He made the rounds, Texas, Florida, Georgia, the Mid-Atlantic.  I met him in Georgia - he was an "adviser" to Roddy Piper - they were heat magnets and they put asses in seats - people paid good money to see them get their come-uppance.

Compare that to the pussy known as Lance Storm.  He finally had a gimmick that was working for him - he was an unAmerican heel.  Instead of amping it up to get people to hate him more thus increasing his value, he went to management and cried that he was afraid a fan would hurt him.  WTF?  That's part of wrestling.  I've been stabbed by a fan, ubknown objects thrown at me and an old woman beat me with her cane when Jack Brisco threw me out the ring into the crowd.  A guy jumped into the ring in Georgia with a loaded gun, trying to shoot Michael Hayes, Blackjack Mulligan got run off the road and had to fight off two drunken rednecks, the Masked Superstar and Ole Anderson were both stabbed with knives.  It's part of the game.  Gary Hart could have an entire arena ready to riot just by working the stick for a few minutes.

I wish I could give him a Ten Bell Salute.
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« Reply #333 on: 03-20-2008 06:47 »

I loved Gary Hart's work when I first saw his '89 work with Muta in '93. He shines in the Heroes of World Class DVD - expressing a great deal of rage about the death of Brody, great sadness about the death of Gino Hernandez (any truth to the rumor of him being Paul Boesch's son?), and sorrow about the tragedies that hit the Von Erichs. 

He's apparently even better on the WWE-produced WCCW DVD, which I'll probably be picking up this weekend.  It's sickening that WWE didn't even bother to put up a graphic honoring him before either ECW or Raw.  Hopefully they remedy that before SD.
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« Reply #334 on: 03-20-2008 08:48 »

I'm still down for my one PPV per year, which is Wrestlemania, but please, Mayweather?  I think every Brit who loves Ricky Hatton wants that guy stomped, even though that ain't gonna happen.  They should stop these gimmick matches....
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« Reply #335 on: 03-22-2008 20:12 »

I came into Wal-Mart with $25 in my pocket today and spent $20 of it on WWE'S WCCW DVD set, and it was worth it just for the documentary, where I learned some new details about a couple of the tragedies that surrounded the promotion. Namely that Gary Hart was so broken up about Gino Hernandez's death that he couldn't bear to look at a photo of him because it brought up too much pain.

Also, that Kerry killed himself on the tree that the brothers played at as a kid, and that Kevin saw Chris right before he killed himself, leading to Chris asking him if he'd found the note, Kevin not knowing what he was talking about, then Chris told him to leave, Kevin did, and when he came back, he found Chris on the ground convulsing, lifted him up, hugged him, and ended up putting his thumb into the hole Chris had blown into the back of his skull. Kevin also brought his mother with him, and couldn't protect her from the sight of seeing one of her sons dead in front of her.
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« Reply #336 on: 03-23-2008 15:30 »

 
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Matt Hardy Comments On Jeff's Fire,
Reported by: Ryan Clark

Matt Hardy has posted a new blog on his MySpace page detailing the entire night of witnessing his brother Jeff's house burning down. Matt wrote that he initially feared that Jeff and his girlfriend Beth were in the house but actually they were at Shannon Moore's tattoo shop and Jeff was getting one of his tattoos filled in. Matt told a heart wrenching story about finally getting a hold of Jeff only to tell him of the bad news that his dog Jack was lost in the fire.

Matt noted that the fire was believed to have been caused by electrical wiring inside of the home. He wrote that Jeff and Beth are currently living with him and that Jeff is currently sick from being so stressed out and that he needs everyone's help now more than ever. If you would like to send clothing (for Beth or Jeff), wrestling memorabilia, or anything else to help Jeff and Beth, Matt gave the following address for people to send stuff too: Jeff Hardy c/o Matt Hardy, P.O. Box 713, Vass, NC 28394
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« Reply #337 on: 03-30-2008 15:51 »
« Last Edit on: 03-30-2008 15:51 »

I saw the WWE Hall Of Fame last night.  it was pretty awesome to see the Rock.  Ric Flair's speech was touching.

I'd like to see the following wrestlers inducted for next year's HOF; Britsh Bulldog, Arn Anderson, and Ron Simmons.

My friend and I were talking about Ron Simmons the other day and talking about how they should bring back the Nation with new members.  My friend suggested the following stable:

MVP (leader)
Elijah Burke
Shelton Benjamin
Kofi Kingston

I had a similar idea for the stable, though it's a shame that Marcus is no longer in the WWE.

Elijah Burke (leader)
Shelton Benjamin (second in command)
Kofi Kingston (young talent like the Rock was)
Marcus Cor Von (the muscle)
Faarooq (manager)

It's a shame that the WWE wouldn't bring the Nation back, because that would push a lot of the young talent.  People accuse Vince of being a racist.  I don't know if that is true.  Bobby Lashley left the WWE claiming of problems with him being African American.  I'd like to see the WWE use that as a storyline with Faarooq just showing up during a match that Burke just lost.  He'd convinced Burke that he's being kept down because of his race and they together go on to form the new Nation.  Every week they show up on ECW gaining new memebers.  However, with times being now with racial tenison, would wrestling fans like this storyline? 

Ralph or anybody else care to throw in their 2 cents?
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« Reply #338 on: 03-30-2008 16:34 »

I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole.
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« Reply #339 on: 04-01-2008 17:49 »

I saw the Flair Tribute this past Monday.  One of the greatest wrestlers is hanging up his wrestling boots.  It's a shame that Flair is no longer wrestling, but it's good.  Flair's old and it be a shame if he got really hurt in the ring from this point on.

The Great Khali Vs. The Big Show  I've been waiting for this match in like forever.  I want to see Khali give Big Show the vise grib and Big Show chokeslam Khali

I've been going by this for some time:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-13oCXQH8&feature=related
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« Reply #340 on: 04-11-2008 04:05 »

I've had that match many times in DoR2/SvR '07/'08 and FPR - I'm quite certain that the real-life match will be far worse than anything I've put up on youtube from a video game.
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« Reply #341 on: 04-23-2008 12:19 »
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Knowing Michael Hayes, I can pretty well guess what he said.    hmpf

What's sad is that Vince has been known to say much, much worse.

DETAILS ON SUSPENSION OF WWE CREATIVE EXECUTIVE
by Mike Johnson @ 9:05 AM on 4/23/2008

As I first reported exclusively Monday afternoon during my PWInsider.com Elite Hotline update, World Wrestling Entertainment has suspended creative team member Michael Hayes for 60 days due to an incident that took place in Florida during the course of Wrestlemania week where Hayes allegedly made an explicitly offensive racial comment towards Smackdown star Mark Henry.

WWE did attempt to keep the suspension quiet, telling some who asked that Hayes was away on vacation, but word spread among the company's
employees over the weekend that he was in the midst of serving a suspension from the company.

Hayes, one of the longest tenured members of the WWE creative team, had been serving as the head creative writer for the Smackdown brand
with huge influence on the ECW brand as well.
 

And the follow-up:

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article1001127.shtml

WWE Smackdown writer Michael Hayes is currently serving a 60-day suspension for using a racial slur during WrestleMania 24 weekend. Hayes was at a public gathering and used a derogatory term while speaking with Mark Henry, who took offense and reported the issue to either Vince McMahon or Stephanie McMahon.

Hayes and MVP had been using the word while joking around together earlier in the night. It was a party setting and Hayes had been drinking when he approached Henry. A pair of sources confirmed that Hayes told Henry, "I'm more of a n----- than you are." One of the sources claims that it was a play on something MVP jokingly said about Hayes earlier in the night because of
the white suit that he wore to the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony. Hayes then headbutted Henry in what one source described as a playful manner. Henry and Hayes exchanged words, and the former reported the issue to WWE officials.

Hayes, who normally goes on vacation the week after WrestleMania, was eventually informed of his suspension. Sources are unaware whether the suspension kicked in before or after his vacation was scheduled to begin.

Either way, he has not appeared at any WWE functions since WrestleMania weekend.

Although a well-placed source told Dot Net that he believes Hayes was joking, multiple sources say he has a history of using the word and has been warned by Stephanie McMahon in the past. "On the surface they did the right thing, but this has been going on a long time," one colleague told Dot Net.
 
However, the same source said that while Hayes has flippantly used the slur during creative sessions, he has never known him to use his power to bury a minority wrestler.

Powell's POV: One source explained to me that Hayes feels comfortable using the word around African Americans because he doesn't mean any harm. Of course, even if the word is accepted in some of his social circles, Hayes has to realize that he's working in the corporate world for a publicly traded company, not to mention how offensive that word is to many people. He's also in a position of power and I've heard from multiple sources that there are some wrestlers who laugh off these outbursts in front of Hayes, yet privately complain to others about his use of the word.

There are some people within the company who feel like Henry overreacted by reporting the incident and did so mostly because he was concerned about how it came off in front of others who witnessed the exchange. Again, though, I've heard from more people who felt like WWE officials should have addressed the problem with Hayes years ago. Furthermore, some sources are concerned that Henry will eventually pay a price politically, particularly if he remains on the Smackdown brand with Hayes. "Michael holds grudges," one source noted. "I'm talking for decades. You're his enemy for life."


I totally believe that last sentence.  I personally know that Hayes has taken cheap shots (verbally and in the ring) at Road Warrior Hawk because Hayes thought that Hawk intentionally worked stiff and injured Terry Gordy back in their AWA dayds in the mid-80's.  That's one reason there weren't many Freebird/Road Warrior match-ups after that.  Hayes was well known to work stiff and injure others if he felt that they deserve it.  He would had no problem with injuring Hawk in the ring in front of a crowd to make a point even if it meant that he may be fired from a territory:  Don't cross the Freebirds.

The friendship between Hayes, Gordy and Roberts is a very sincere one.  I know when I spoke to Mike last year at an event that he teared upped and changed the subject when I mentioned Terry's passing.  That's a hole in Hayes' soul that won't ever heal.

@ Jay:

I worked for Fritz von Eric for 6 weeks back in early 1982 before the famed Freebird/Von Eric feud started - I did some curtain-jerking with Tully Blanchard - he and Gino were the only two I actually wrestled in Texas.  I left because I wasn't a good fit in the locker room and also the drugs wre flying pretty thick even back then.  Granted, I did more than my fair share of pain killers, alcohol and uppers, but I never got into heroin, coke, weed or the other stuff. 

It was alos known that Fritz was a cheapass when it came to paying the talent, but I didn't know that he fucked over Gary Hart until I watched the WCCW DVD.

I thought I knew a lot about the shit going on in WCCW land, but I realize how little I knew after watching the interviews with Gary Hart and Kevin von Eric.  I did know that Gino's death was a drug hit - he was dealing in the locker room and with some of the fans.  He took/stole some coke and decided to go indy.  He was dealing with one of the Mexican Drug Gangs - the type of people you don't fuck with.  If he had been smart, he would have disappeared and moved away from Texas.  Well, maybe not - he would have been found and killed anyway.

Jay, I think I've read where you're working the Indy circuit.  Take this advise:  Stop.  Get an education and a real job.  Nothing good comes from the wrestling community.  You get broken up and injured and nobody gives a damned.  Then you die way too young, and people don't give a damned.  All that you leave is a trail of tears and broken hearts, then some amoral bastard like Vince McMahon makes an obscene profit from your efforts.

I say this because I'm 47, have to walk with a cane and nobody remembers me.  Just a few fossils who are pretty well crippled themselves who never got past the midcard are people I stay in contact with.  I look at the people I knew who died and left nothing for their families to live on.  Vince doesn't give healthcare insurance or disability.  For every Droz that he has on the payroll, there are 100 Superstar Graham's that he placed "in the bullpin".

Just consider what I just posted.
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« Reply #342 on: 05-01-2008 20:51 »
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Well, I'm not an indy wrestler (retinal detachment issues from a premature birth prevented that from ever being a realistic thought in my mind), but I would advise that anyone who is a wrestler heed that advise. I'd also like to see about 90% of ROH's roster heed it, especially after watching the ladder war where guys smashed their bodies into steel dozens of times in front of a relatively small crowd on a show bought by few people. I can't fathom it being worth it in ten years when they're dealing with chronic pain as a result of doing stupid shit like that to their bodies.

Look at a guy like Johnny Grunge - he did a ton of shit to his body "for the business", had a fairly lengthy run in a major company (WCW), had a tag title run in that company, and what did he have to show for it? Nothing except debt, drug addiction, a bad heart, and an early grave.

I'm fascinated by Gino - I've only seen about a half dozen of the guy's matches (one where he and Tully lose the Southwest tag belts to the Grapplers, and another where he faces Tully with Ernie Shavers as ref come to mind), but there's something about him that is absolutely captivating.

Today's AWA show on ESPN Classic ruled. It had some some early Paul E., about 20 minutes of BILLY JACK STRONG, two Dennis Stamp matches, and the Midnight Rockers against the Rose/Condrey combo of the Midnight Express. Plus, the CASH DOLLAR family was the AWA Fan of the week. Tremendously enjoyable show.

It was great to hear Trongard again. I'm going to guess that this show happened before the '88 shows we've seen so far, as the production values are vastly improved compared to the other '88 shows.
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« Reply #343 on: 05-05-2008 01:16 »
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Ralph Snart- You like to tell young wrestlers to get out of wrestling?  That would make sense since you'd experienced it.  Have you ever had young relatives say to you, they want to grow up and wrestle?  It seems like everyone's son are becoming wrestlers.

I remember back in 1995, I first started watching wrestling, I'd dream to grow up and be a wrestler.  However, once I realized that I had to be over 6 feet tall and take drugs to have big muscles, that dream was shattered.  The most I'd like to be is either a manager or color commentator.
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« Reply #344 on: 05-05-2008 03:25 »

I have no young relatives to tell to stay away from the business.  Remember, when I did it, there were 32 different territories in the USA.  You got paid cash, you paid out of your pocket for travelling and medical expenses.  There were no action figures, video sales or PPV's.  But there was a certain honor between the promoters and the workers - a handshake deal was better than anything on paper.  If you had Bill Watt's or Ole Anderson's word and a handshake, they would follow through with whatever agreement that was made.

Still, the old guys wrestled until they couldn't wrestle any more - their bodies were destroyed.  Old guys like Suede Hanson, The Crusher, Dick the Bruiser, Johnny Weaver, Ox Baker, Gene Anderson and others had nothing - no savings, no retirement, no healthcare - nothing to live on after their ring days were over.  Some were lucky enough to get second careers, like Johnny Weaver and Gene Anderson who worked as Deputy Sheriffs, both died while still working becuase they had nothing saved to live on.

Then there's my idol, Superstar Billy Graham who lives on Social Security Disability - his body gave up after 2 decades of Steroid Abuse.  vince McMahon promised Billy a job for life if he would leave Jim Crockett's NWA and join the WWF, but true to Vince's character, he renegged on that promise.

Ox Baker is so messed up that the only employment he can find is being a greeter at a Wal-Mart.

Now things are different - there are the indy guys who may get 25-100 bucks a show and the two brands, TNA and WWE.

Once again, most of the workers may make some cash, but they still don't have healthcare or retirement benefits.  Their bodies are on the line, one botched piledrive and you're Steve Austin, living life with a screwed-up neck or you're Droz, totally paralized.  Thesea are the "lucky" guys, the guys Vince keeps on the payroll to show that he 'cares about the boys'.

That's a crock - Vince McMahon is the closest thing to pure evil that I can think of.  All he cares about is how much money he can make and how much he can screw the workers.  The workers (except for HHH sho in his infinite shrewdness, married the Vince's daughter) get paid and get no residuals for merchandise sales or DVD sales.

In ten years, both Matt and Jeff Hardy will be crippled for life from their exploits in the ring and have little, if nothing to show for it.

As for the question about people asking how to enter wrestling, Leon 'Vader' White and I are beer drinking buddies and his son is a football player for Colorado University.  He's told his son he has no problem with him going to the NFL, but to stay out of wrestling.

The product the WWE is putting out is so vile and stale that the only show I watched this year was Ric Flair's retirement special.  He is the last of the old-time travelling champions from the old school.  With Flair gone, I have no reason or desire to watch any of the products offered today.
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« Reply #345 on: 05-05-2008 12:50 »
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The Benoit case is closed?

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By IRVIN MUCHNICK - For SLAM! Wrestling

The final report from the Fayette County sheriff’s Office, released in February, officially closed the case of the Chris Benoit double murder/suicide. But anyone who reads the 52-page case summary and the hundreds of pages of ancillary documents made public under the Georgia open records law, in the hope that they will even come close to filling in the pertinent surrounding narrative, is apt to be disappointed.

What the authorities have published is less a report than a filibuster. As the Benoit family tragedy approaches its first anniversary next month, we have lengthy answers to questions long ago resolved. Meanwhile, tantalizing other questions -- including, most glaringly, ones raised by a close reading of the investigation itself -- are ignored.

World Wrestling Entertainment’s story, and they’re sticking to it, is that Benoit was just another guy, precisely like those in other walks of life, who "went postal." The WWE panel on the most recent Larry King Live infomercial promoting WrestleMania reinforced this point when the subject came up ever so briefly. In their eagerness to turn the page, they all but yukked it up. Appallingly, these apologists included Chris Jericho, one of Benoit’s best friends.

The sheriff does tell plenty of the background of the troubled relationship between Chris and his wife Nancy. The report also catalogues, but without analysis, the arsenal of anabolics and
pharmaceuticals found all over the house. With respect to the latter, Detective Ethon Harper -- who was assigned by Sheriff Randall Johnson to author the report -- glides around both Benoit’s successful WWE Wellness Policy test two months before his rampage, and the indictment of his doctor Phil Astin.

Treading lightly on the drug angle might be explained by the fact that Astin, who got busted by the Drug Enforcement administration, is part of a pending federal case, which keeps a lot of the medical and other records under aggressive seal. But anyone who thinks the Benoit story
has no connection to the drug culture of pro wrestlers in general, and of Atlanta-area wrestlers in particular, will be proven wrong in due course. (See the recent death in Atlanta of Chase Tatum, an old WCW guy, and the human growth hormone found in the attic of a suburban Atlanta home formerly occupied by, among others, WWE’s Mike Knox.)

Where the sheriff really falls on his face is in the report’s absurd lack of proportion. A dedicated section, with dozens of supporting pages, debunks two Internet hoaxes: the concocted post on a WWE discussion board about Chris supposedly no-showing the Houston pay-per-view because his wife had died, and a parallel phony update of Benoit’s Wikipedia bio. Both hoaxes were almost immediately discredited in the media at the time.

Sheriff Johnson’s exercise in taking the hoaxers back to the woodshed isn’t just tedious; it’s also inconsistent. When I asked why the report doesn’t probe whether Benoit was actually booked onto a Sunday morning Atlanta-to-Houston flight -- as WWE’s published timeline claims -- the answer was that this had no relevance to the crime itself. (We know for sure that Benoit did make a reservation on a Saturday night flight after missing a Saturday morning flight.) Ditto for why Scott James (referee Scott Armstrong) wasn’t asked why he texted Benoit, "When do u land?" on Sunday morning, hours after Chris transmitted weird farewell text messages to him. When I asked why WWE security chief Dennis Fagan told 911 that Benoit had left such a message "this morning" (Monday), Detective Harper said he’d have to listen to Fagan’s call again and get back to me.

And when I asked Harper why his report supplement cuts off Chris’s cell phone log at 1:50 p.m. Sunday (the raw data from Verizon Wireless show scores of additional calls), and pressed him on the unexplained disappearance of cell phone voicemail, he stopped returning my calls.

(Even as I type this, some fan on a discussion board is probably complaining that a journalist has no right to pose uncomfortable questions to a public servant.)

To date, the biggest embarrassment to WWE is from a Royal Canadian Mounted Police report, corroborated by Chris Benoit’s father Mike and by the Wrestling Observer’s Dave Meltzer: company officials already knew the Raw tribute show that night would be honoring a murderer, and would be disavowed by the next night’s ECW show.

Frankly, this revelation has never held me quite as spellbound as it has others. That Vince McMahon once again worked the public, the fans and almost all his own wrestlers is not news; at a certain point, this pattern is more about his compulsion to control and mess with minds than it is even about self-interest.

Far more interesting is the overall body of facts residing in the Saturday-Sunday-Monday twilight zone. That evidence remains buried, the result of either poor execution of good intentions on the part of the Fayette County investigators, or something worse.

The precise communications between Connecticut and Fayetteville, and between Texas and Fayetteville, across that grisly weekend? The very real possibility that, through Chavo Guerrero as well as Scott James, Vince and his corporate clean-up crew knew a whole lot more about what was going on, and considerably earlier than Monday afternoon, June 25?

Eventually, some of these answers will dribble out. Apparently, we won’t have local law enforcement to thank for them
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« Reply #346 on: 05-05-2008 16:28 »
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Bam Bam Bigelow's another ex big name who lived on social security - that was his only form of income when he died. He would've gotten Hardcore Homecoming and ONS '05 pay days, but no one could contact him. 

I read a few years ago on the Kayfabe Memories board that Mr. Fuji was wheelchair-bound (which turned out to be true going by his HoF induction) and could only find work at a movie theatre.

I'm glad to see at least some guys, like the Rock, get out of the business and move on with their lives, instead of being stuck working indies in front of two dozen fans with busted knees and hips.
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« Reply #347 on: 05-09-2008 14:32 »
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"Nick Hogan did to my son what Al-Qaeda couldn't, destroy his life"

John Graziano's dad just said something to that effect. I'm watching it at tmz.com. This is so intense. I see Hulkster sitting there wearing all black. Wow! this very interesting.

UPDATE 1:53 ET: And here comes the big plea -- 17-year-old Nick raises his hand, says he's a literate human being with a GED, not under the influence of booze or drugs, is OK with his lawyer, blah blah blah ... and is about to plea no contest with a year of county jail and five
years of probation.

UPDATE 2:32 ET: Nick is an idiot, part 879: Ashley says that Nick's license plate COEHSP stands for "Capable of Eluding High Speed Pursuit." Not anymore.

UPDATE 2:27 ET: Ashley Berry, John's girlfriend, is speaking -- trying her best to, at least. She says they were together for seven years. She describes having to watch a movie with him in his hospital bed -- and not knowing if he can hear or understanding anything.

UPDATE 2:25 ET: Now up, John's sister Christian Carson. She says that sometimes she tries to call him, and breaks down when she realizes she can't. Tough. And she says that Nick has never apologized for the crash.
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NOW THE END  - THE SENTENCING.
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Judge Philip Federico sentenced Nick Bollea to eight months in a county jail effective immediately. He was also sentenced to five years probation and 500 hours of community service. The judge also suspended Bollea's license for three years and ordered that him to attend various classes. Bollea has 30 days to appeal the ruling, but stated
during his testimony that he would accept whatever punishment the judge gave him.

Federico said he believes Nick is sincere in his apology, yet he still needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions. The judge cited the fact that Nick had no criminal record, yet his past driving
record showed that he was "cavalier." He said that type of talent should be used on a race track, not on a wet city street. The judge said he didn't agree with the characterization of the incident as an
"accident." He said this was a case that could have been avoided.

"I would characterize it as a series of conscious choices," the judge said. He said there was a need for some punishment and rehabilitation.  "You weigh things that you see and the things that you've heard and
then you try to come up with a punishment that you feel is appropriate." The judge praised the Hogan family, adding that he
believes they've done everything they could have done since the accident occurred.

Powell's POV: Was it a fair punishment? I'm leaving it up to you guys.  I'll be posting a poll shortly to get your opinion. The civil trial is still to come so the mudslinging between the families has probably just begun. I wonder if it helped Nick's cause to enter the no contest plea and stand in front of the judge while he was still a minor.
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« Reply #348 on: 05-12-2008 00:19 »

My thoughts on TNA Sacrifice

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« Reply #349 on: 05-13-2008 19:03 »
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Man, the idols of my childhood keep dying.  First Moolah, then Johnny Weaver and now his ex-wife, Penny Banner.

Legendary female wrestler passes on...

The following was sent out today by the Cauliflower Alley Club.

The CAC has received word that Penny Banner passed away last night, peacefully in her sleep, at her daughter's home in North Carolina.

Penny was one of the most decorated women in the history of professional wrestling. Her accolades have included being the first recipient of the CAC's Art Abrams Lifetime Achievement Award, being inducted into the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame in New York and she will be the first woman inducted to the George Tragos/Lou Thesz Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame in Waterloo in 2008.

Penny served on the Board of Directors of the Cauliflower Alley Club for many years and worked tirelessly to ensure that all remembered the women of our sport.

Penny will always have a special place in my heart. We shared some wonderful emails and wonderful times in Las Vegas. My thoughts and prayers go out to Wendi and the Banner family.
 



Now Nick Hogan's sister speaks out.  This was on her blog before the Hogans' lawyer told her to take it down...

Brooke Hogan is speaking out on her brother's incarceration and she is
not happy! She wrote the following yesterday on her Myspace blog:

"Monday, May 12, 2008

BS
Current mood: pissed off
Category: Life

I know most of the public thinks my brother is some rich little selfish kid, but NO ONE knows the real story and I'm really pissed that the truth didn't come out from either side. A LOT of lies were told in that trial. Believe me. And it wasn't from us. John was NEVER home. He was at our house. ALL THE TIME. that should say enough…. Im not going to be out spoken right now, but If some s*** doesn't start getting straightened out, A lot of people are going to eat their words for lieing. I know all of the truth and I have back up. I never know how twisted this world could be but I'm starting to figure it out. And I'm gonna have to jump off my high road and tackle some ppl who are taking the low road. I know you guys don't understand, but you will really really soon. Keep praying. And by the way, before you judge anybody, make sure you really know them. I promise you if you were to
meet my brother he would give you the shirt off his back. He's not "NICK HOGAN." AND hes not the person he plays on tv. People are so gullible now a days…"

Update:

Hogan pulled the above post from her blog and just put up this entry.

"Monday, May 12, 2008

wtvr

I have the truth on my side. And the truth will set everyone straight sooner or later. PEACE

ps: yes I took my last one off cause I know itll go around anyway.

Have at it ppl."


Yeah, I'm waiting for her to explain why her dad was oiling her thighs and ass...  I actually thought that the Huckster was about to, well, you know, with his daughter.

Huck Hogan is rapidly going the path of the Chris Benoit School of Parenting.
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« Reply #350 on: 06-04-2008 14:20 »
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Anybody registering online to via for the $1 million prize?  I know it's slim chance, but I don't mind taking the risk.  How about you Ralph.  I bet you'd like to rub it in Vince's face by winning money from him.

I can't stand Chavo.  Every time he wrestles and uses Eddie's moves, I want to see the shit beaten out of him.  I know he's family, but as long as he's a heal, I can't stand him.
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« Reply #351 on: 06-04-2008 16:42 »
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Oh dude, you are denser than neutronium if you think that Vince is going to actually give away $1 million.  He's done this trick before with some of the PPV's during the 90's.  Vince is a huckster and con man.  As much as I disliked working for Jim Crockett, I can tell you that anybody who has ever dealt with Vince has gotten a royal buttfucking.  He's one of the few people that I actually wish a horrible, lingering, painful death upon.  He never got the chance to shaft me, but he's screwed a lot of my friends.  He is as dishonest as any corrupt politician (I know, redundant) and proud of it.

As for another complete asshole who is now getting his "negative karma" shoved in his face - The Huckster.  He can't control his kids.  His son is in jail, crying like the spoiled brat that he is.  He (Nick) talks tough like most thug wanna-be's when he's safe at home, but throw his ass in jail (not prison, if so, he would be treated as fresh fuckmeat property), hear him whine and cry.

Here's a couple of pics of what Nick and Nick alone is guilty of:


 http://www.wwtdd.com/photo.phtml?post_key=7091&photo_key=17371


It's now coming out that Huck's wife states that Huck beat on her and had 'rhoid rages.  I can completely believe that.  And then the no-talent daughter who thinks she can be a rock star.  Yeah, right.  Yoko Ono sounds better than Brooke.  And oh yeah, Huckster, that video on the net of you oiling up your teenaged daughter's ass and thighs is grotesque and disturbing.
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« Reply #352 on: 06-05-2008 17:18 »
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Oh dude, you are denser than neutronium if you think that Vince is going to actually give away $1 million.  He's done this trick before with some of the PPV's during the 90's.  Vince is a huckster and con man.  As much as I disliked working for Jim Crockett, I can tell you that anybody who has ever dealt with Vince has gotten a royal buttfucking.  He's one of the few people that I actually wish a horrible, lingering, painful death upon.  He never got the chance to shaft me, but he's screwed a lot of my friends.  He is as dishonest as any corrupt politician (I know, redundant) and proud of it.

As for another complete asshole who is now getting his "negative karma" shoved in his face - The Huckster.  He can't control his kids.  His son is in jail, crying like the spoiled brat that he is.  He (Nick) talks tough like most thug wanna-be's when he's safe at home, but throw his ass in jail (not prison, if so, he would be treated as fresh fuckmeat property), hear him whine and cry.

Here's a couple of pics of what Nick and Nick alone is guilty of:


 http://www.wwtdd.com/photo.phtml?post_key=7091&photo_key=17371


It's now coming out that Huck's wife states that Huck beat on her and had 'rhoid rages.  I can completely believe that.  And then the no-talent daughter who thinks she can be a rock star.  Yeah, right.  Yoko Ono sounds better than Brooke.  And oh yeah, Huckster, that video on the net of you oiling up your teenaged daughter's ass and thighs is grotesque and disturbing.

Well, I did mention it was a slim chance I'd win anyway.  I don't see the harm in giving it a shot.  I know what you are talking about, back in 1997 WWE was offering a million dollar price at Summerslam.  2 lucky people got to go to Summerslam while two others got phone calls.  The full code was "The Key to A Life of Luxury" to qualify for the phone calls.  Each had to choose 1 out of 100 numbered keys to see if it would open the casket full of money.  No one won and the correct key was 3.  It made sense since the date was 8/3/97. 

As a former Hulkamaniac, I'm disappointed and betrayed about the Hogan situation. 
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« Reply #353 on: 06-06-2008 02:10 »

Since the internet has come along and almost all sports locker room talk and antics are publicized within 24 hours, it's hard to surprise people.

Back in my day when I started training in 1978, the Apter Magazines were the only way to know anything about wrestling and he played kayfabe to the max. When I finally managed to break in and shared rides with other workers, I realized that the guys that were my heros of youth were far from being what I thought.  Superstar Graham, my idol, was a massive drughead at the time, most of the workers were con men who would stab their own mothers in the back for cash, more drugs or a main event push.

I can tell you guys stories about the likes of Tommy Rich, Ric Flair, The Freebirds and many other stars of the time and their less-than-stellar lifestyles.  One were heroes and all were cursed with human flaws.

I survived because Matt Borne, Buzz Sawyer and I became very close friends and watched out for each other at all times.  I don't have to go into detail about Buzz - he was a great guy and a great friend, but he ended up becoming another con man and much like Jake Roberts today, almost a pathetic joke of his former self. 

As for Hogan (cracking knuckles):  Anybody who ever dealt with him got burned eventually.  He was scum before he and Vince met and he's scum today.  Back in the 80's, he was the guy making runs from picking up drugs in Tampa and selling them to the workers.  Vince knew he was doing it.  Huck has always been a mark for himself - most people don't know that even Huck didn't know if Andre was going to lay down for him in Wrestlemania III.  The agreement that Andre had was that Vince would put his illegitimate daughter on the payroll and promise that she would always have a job.  Andre didn't trust Vince and had it made a signed deal.  Only then would he agree to job.  Then during the match Huck called Andre "washed up" - if you watch the match, you'll see Andre glare at Huck and legit knock the hell out of him.  Then and only then, for the fact he knew he was in the twilight of his career and wanted to leave on good terms, he did the job.

Andre despised Huck from day 1.  He hated Vince Jr. even more.  Andre, like many others, had respect for Vince Sr. who was a decent man.  Vince Jr. has always been a detested piece of crap who most of the old workers hated.

Bad News Allen was suppose to get the belt from Huck - Vince Jr. promised him a run with the belt.  Huck played politics and managed for the belt to go to his on-again, off-again friend Randy Savage.  Bad News Allen, as tough as any who ever entered the ring was screwed by the McMahon/Hogan machine.

Hogan is a piece of shit.  He has always been all out for himself.  He and his family have no values except love of the fast life and money, lots of money.  Now Huck is trying to come up with a show for his worthless son named "The New Nick" and the little whiney coward wants it done where he can make the most money.

The guys I stay in touch with actually hold Huck and company in lower esteem than they hold Chris Benoit.  Hell, some of the guys still think that Kevin Sullivan and his merry band of Satanists murdered the family and made it look like a murder suicide.  I've fought Sullivan before in Florida - he is a legit Satanist and believe it or not, he's not the most evil person I've met in the locker room.

That's a complete shoot.
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« Reply #354 on: 06-06-2008 08:33 »

 
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It's now coming out that Huck's wife states that Huck beat on her and had 'rhoid rages.  I can completely believe that.  And then the no-talent daughter who thinks she can be a rock star.  Yeah, right.  Yoko Ono sounds better than Brooke.  And oh yeah, Huckster, that video on the net of you oiling up your teenaged daughter's ass and thighs is grotesque and disturbing.


Honestly, I don't know how Hulk Hogan's wife maintains her balance.

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« Reply #355 on: 06-06-2008 08:45 »

The money was good.............
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« Reply #356 on: 06-06-2008 11:17 »

I mean because she's like a double z cup.
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« Reply #357 on: 06-06-2008 12:37 »

Money makes women do strange things newhook........
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« Reply #358 on: 06-06-2008 13:33 »

Are you coming on to me?
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« Reply #359 on: 06-06-2008 16:43 »

No.

A) You're married... Right?
B) I'm not gay.
C) I'm not gay.
D) I probably need to get out of this thread; I like reading it, but I probably shouldn't be posting in it.
E) I'm not gay.
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