Don't Let Sid Near The Scissors- Wrestling Thread

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newhook_1,-That sounds like good choices.  Though I'd have some ideas as well.  Please let me know what you think.  I know there will be some things you may not agree with, but I'd like to hear with your overall opinion.

RAW-

I'd go the same direction, with Crash TV, what RAW used to be.  I'd draft guys like Hornswoggle and MVP making US title a RAW title.  I'd move MVP up to WWE title contender.  I'd push guys like Snitski and Kennedy to feud with Lashley and HHH. Sheldon Benjamin also deserves a push. I'd also bring HBK, and Jericho back for star power.  I'd also bring Kane and Undertaker to RAW.

Smackdown- I'd make it Cruiserweight heaven, but WWE needs more cruiserweights.  London and Kendrick should be brought back to Smackdown.  I'd lose the Jimmy Wang Yang gimmick and just let him use his real name and team with Funaki.  Shannon Moore, Jamie Noble and Greg Helms would be a stable.  I'd also try and bring back Tajari, Juvi and Kidman to bring more star power to the cruiserweight divison.

Smackdown should also be the haven for tag team wrestling.  I'd unify WWE and World tag team titles and bring Trevor and Murdock, Highlanders from RAW and bring the New Foundation.  The purpose of this is to push the teams and hope that they'll be future Bret Harts and Shawn Michaels and can be drafted to RAW for singles success.  Hart and Michael started off as tag team wrestlers.  Smackdown would be what TNA should be, like WCW.  I wouldn't get rid of Khali, so what if he can't wrestle.  He's over 7 feet tall and people still pay to see that. Edge, Batista, Finlay, Flair, and Mark Henry.


ECW- I think people are calling it Entertainment Championship Wrestling.  I'd bring Extreme back to ECW.  I'd drafted the following, Sandman, Santino Marella, Super Krazy, Masters, Team Extreme, Val Venis and Chuck Palumbo.  Jeff would bring the IC belt to ECW to give the mid-card guys a shot.  I'd push Elijah Burke to feud with CM punk's title.  I'd sign guys like Sabu, Test and RVD, if he wanted to come back.  While I'll admit there aren't that many ECW originals, I don't think we should dwell on the past.  I'd push that whole New Breed concept and live off the tradition of ECW.

I'd bring war games to ECW, using the Elimination chamber.  8 men, 4 pods filled with weapons.

I had this dream match, Extreme Chamber 2: only this time it would be more extreme than last year's.

Team 1: Test, John Morrison, Elijah Burke, The Alpha Male, vs. Team 2: RVD, Sabu, Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy.

Rules are 1 person from each team starts the match in the chamber for 5 mins.  After 5 minutes, the winning team from the coin toss would send their next man.  After 2 minutes the other teams sends their 2nd man and so forth.  Once all 8 men are in the Chamber.  The 4 pods that contain the weapons would be opened.  I'd have tables, chairs, cooking pans, trash cans, a ladder, and one trash can would have a bat wrapped with barbwire.  Pinfall, submission, or surrender are the only ways of winning and who ever would get the win, be given a ECW title shot at CM Punk just to push one of these 8 guys.

In a way, I guess I'm trying to recreate both WCW and ECW with Smackdown and ECW, after WWE failed with that lousy Invasion brand.  While yes, I wouldn't have the stars from old WCW, but you have a locker room filled with unused talent.

TNA could use some improvement.  First, I'd try to sign every mid-card star WWE fired and push them.  It may sound lousy, but WWE did that years ago when WCW let down guys like Austin, Benoit, and Eddie.  I'd bring Cryme Tyme and have them form a stable with Team Pacman.  It's been a while since I've seen an All African American stable (remember Nation of Domination).  I'd have them feud with Somoa Joe, Steiners and LAX.  Not all at once of course.

I'd sign Dupree and Silvan and call them The Legionaires or something relating to them as being French.  I'd play up the fact they were a successful tag team in WWE and push them further in TNA.  I'd sign Conway, and make him join with Christain Cage and kick off AJ Styles.  Styles is the only big original talent in TNA and now they have him as a lackey for Cage.  I'd make Styles a face have him feud with Conway to build up a feud match with Cage.

Sting, I'd make him feud with Raven.  It's a feud I always wanted to see, but WCW didn't push Raven that much.

X-divison, I wouldn't change that much, since it seems to be better than crusierweight divison in WWE currently.  I'd just have X-Divison matches start TNA Impact, especially if it's going to 2 hours in October.


Ralph Snart-- On Ric Flair, Flair recently said that him quitting WWE was just a rumor.  Is that a rumor?  I also here Booker T quit WWE. I wish he'd lose that King gimmick.  It reminds me of when Macho Man was "Machoking".  Booker T is better than a king gimmick.

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Ralph Snart-- On Ric Flair, Flair recently said that him quitting WWE was just a rumor. Is that a rumor? I also here Booker T quit WWE. I wish he'd lose that King gimmick. It reminds me of when Macho Man was "Machoking". Booker T is better than a king gimmick.
 

WWE and Flair are trying to come to terms.  Flair has a new business and a new wife.  He's tired of being on the road all then time and wants to slow down, but he wants to retire with his legacy intact.  He's seen how Hogan has pulled the strings to protect his image and Flair wants to retire on top.  He has stated that Wrestlemania 2008 will be his last one. 

He was promised a last run for the title with him winning and defending at WrestleMania, but like with other people, Vince has gone back on his word.  Flair knows he can pick up a gig at TNA and not have to work as hard.  He's friends with Sting, Cornette and a lot of other people at TNA, so he doesn't have to put up with Vince's micro-managing ways.

Booker's wife is about to graduate Law School, he has 2 businesses on the side and a wrestling school.  WWE decided to quit using members of his school so he now loans them out to TNA.  That has started some heat with management of WWE.  Also he feels that a lot of people who violated the Wellness Program (Orton, HHH) are being protected and not disciplined while others are being made into scapegoats by Vince.  Booker is reported to have over a million dollars in the bank so he's at a point in his life where he doesn't need the WWE.

I would love to see both Flair and Booker T show up on TNA.  Booker can be a viable Champion and give the main card an injection of new blood.  Flair can manage and do an occasional match and work the crowd - neither would have to work a hard as they do for the WWE.

WWE is on the verge of going tits up - Vince is now in the position of Verne Gagne 20 years ago - he's blinded by his own greatness (or senility)  and can't see the handwriting on the wall.

Fans are tired of McMahon's lame skits and forcing himself on every week.  The Kiss-My-Ass club wasn't funny the first time he did it and it gets less funny each time it's done.  He's surrounded himself with "Yes-Men" who only massauge his ego.  He's placed his wholly incompetant daughter in a high position in the company.  The only reason that HHH is seen as the top dog is because he's booked that way.

Congressional Investigations are on the way and this time, he may not be able to lie his way out like he did with the Steroid Trial during the 90's  He has way too many enemies who will testify against him just for revenge and for another 15 minutes of fame (Marc Mero, Chyna, Sean Waltman, Road Warrior Animal and even possibly Bret Hart.  Hart still holds vince as being responsible for Owen Hart's death).

WWE is now a public traded company and even though Vince holds the majority of stock, it puts him in a different position than the 90's steroid trial.  The stockholders can sue him to remove himself from the product if the stock price starts to tank and his already unfavorable ratings with a lot of people becomes more pronounced.

I personally hate Vince - he's screwed a lot of people over the years and he's such a bastard about it.  He's the type of sub-human who takes pride in screwing people over.  Nothing would make me happier than to read an article that the ghosts of screw-over, broken-down wrestlers visit him one X-Mas Eve and in a fit of realization, takes a gun and kills himself.

That would be a very good day for a lot of people.  Especially Ole Anderson.

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Great article on ESPN about wrestlers and drugs.

I know when I was 20 years old, I made $100,000 in one year and didn't have a dime to show for it.  New cars, new clothes, brand name stuff, running up unGodly bartabs were part of my problem.  I lived off Percocet, Quaaludes, Green Amps, Black Beauties, Beanies and the cycles of 'rhoids.  I'd meet some chick and blow a wad of cash just to impress her enough for me to get into her panties.  I'm glad that I got out when I did, or my name may be included with Terry Gordy, Buzz Sawyer and Eddie Gilbert.

 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3014744&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

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Ralphie, sounds to me like you could go into business as some kind of wrestlers counsellor.  You got out the right side and you lived to tell the tale.

Also, loved the plans for the main two wrestling federations, I'd hire you both, if only I was owner.  Certainly shows what some of the smart fans want, not any of the stuff they're being peddled at the moment.

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As much as I like The Great Khali, I'm disappointed that McMahon continues to have him interfere in the middle of matches.  Batista/Henry match would've been a great match and given Smackdown huge ratings.  I would've had Khali interfere until after the match was over.

WWE puts too much time in interfering in matches that we hardly see clear cut main event matches.

I also miss the camera focusing on wrestlers as they head to the ring.  In WCW, we always heard what the wrestlers said just before entering the ring.  Most of the time it would be funny what they would have to say.

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Reason 2,416,211 why I despise Randy Orton with a white-hot passion:

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter, 24 September 2007:

And finally, from the file marked "That's Our Randy", a bunch of WWE
people were in a local bar after the Raw in Green Bay recently. A fan
asked Randy Orton for a photo, which he complained about. He took the
camera, ran upstairs and dropped it from the second floor but someone
caught it and returned it to the fan. However, Orton had kept the
camera's memory card and so the fan brought the police in to get it
back. Orton asked the fan if $100 would settle things and he agreed.
Orton even autographed the $100 bill for him. He wrote "To Dipshit,
Randy Orton".
 

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  I wrestle with Bob Orton, Jr. years ago.  He was a class act, a great guy and fantastic beer drinker.  His son is a piece of shit, and I appologize to shit for comparing it to Randy.  I've despised him since I found out he hid in his mother's basement when he went AWOL from the Marines.  Sorry Bastard should have been executed for desertion.  He should be cleaning toilets out and cruising for gay sex for hire in public restrooms, not main eventing.  The only reason he has a job now is because he has the type of body that Vince is a fag for (credit to be given to Tom Zenk for sharing that bit of info with me).

He has no respect in real life for anything or anybody.  He'll go batshit insane one night and beat the crap out of a fan and then Vince will have one hell of a lawsuit on his hands.  Hell, I may make it to the next card that comes to Denver and rag that sack-o-shit and let him take a few swings at me so I can latch onto Vince's gravy train...

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That would be awesome/great/fantastic etc.  Let us know if you actually go about taking out the trash. 

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I'd rather see you beat the hell out of randy.  I hate him, for being such an asshole.

Jericho is coming to WWE.  It's official, he's coming to WWE.  If he had gone to TNA, it would have been a fatal blow to WWE.  Now, let's hope WWE uses him well and not screw things up like they used to do in the past.

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I'm not the only person who hates Orton.




'nuff said!

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Jericho going to TNA wouldn't have done shit to WWE - none of TNA's other signings have done that, and in the case of Angle, he's a bigger name than Jericho, and all he was able to do was help prop their buyrates for two fucking shows.

With that said, I'm greatly looking forward to Jericho coming back, particularly now that Cena's injured, and there's yet another main event spot open on Raw.  Hopefully HHH doesn't just fill it with himself, which he's been quite fond of since returning, what with his complete burial of the tag division AND Carlito a couple of weeks back.

One upside to wrestling on TV being mostly poor over the past month or so is that I'm seeking out more '80s footage to add to my collection and I've watched a TON of Mid-South stuff over the past week and my God is it great. 

Mid-South was something I was exposed to thanks to some lucky tape buys when I first became a fan, and while I loved what I saw, I didn't completely understand how brilliant Watts was.  I'm in the middle of the Mr. Wrestling II/Magnum TA feud and my God is it pure greatness. 

It's incredible, well-told, realistic storytelling, and something that all wrestling promotions would benefit from.  ROH has a bit of it, TNA has had roughly none of it for a year or so aside from the recent Storm-Rhino feud, and WWE had a hell of a run of realistic feuds until about June, when the shit hit the fan and they just went back to old bullshit that never works.

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It's a pity that Crocket didn't save some of his late 70's/early 80's stuff to tape.  The same with Georgia and Florida shows.  Can you believe it, there are no tapes of the epic Tommy Rich/Buzz Sawyer battles.  They gave everything they had in those matchs, blead like pigs and the fans were eating it up.  The Blackjack Mulligan/Ric Flair "Hat vs. Robe" feud - that one lasted two years and sold out every venue they appeared in.  The Freebirds in Georgia against everybody who got in their way.  Go to Florida and there was Kevin Sullivan and his Devil Worshipping group.  The WCCW had the Von Erichs, Freebirds, Gino Hernadez, Tully Blanchard (pre-Crockett days).

Southern wrestling ruled.

Vince's crap is soooo stale.  All Vince, all the time.

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It was good to see Mr. Kennedy back, but it is a shame they can't do the bastard child storyline with him. 


If Jericho were to come to TNA, I'd have him team with Sting.  I'd also set up a big fued with Jericho vs. Christain and have Jericho end Cage's undefeated streak.

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That 'undefeated' streak was ended on free TV in a first blood match on Impact against... someone.  Now, he's just unpinned and hasn't tapped out in TNA.

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Cena has been stripped of the title and is going to have surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle today.

Jericho is making a comeback.  Normally I'd say, "FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!"  But as we know,  HHH will be in the background just waiting for the chance to BURY Jericho.

I hope Jericho had the foresight to get a certain amount of control of his character in his contract.

With Cena out and Jericho coming back, if they could keep HHH from burying everybody on the roster, they could have some good matches with people like Booker T, Jericho, HHH and Orton working the main events.

But 'creative' will continue to have meaningless Vince segments and HHH burying the roster.

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Will Kurt Angle live long enough to make it to the DeathPool?

Kurt busted for DUI, refuses to take blood test after failing sobriety test.

Is he trying to be Steve Austin, Valome II?

 http://www.wpxi.com/sports/14263911/detail.html

Also, Flair and McMahon are not on speaking terms as of now:

Ric Flair met with Vince McMahon on 9/20 at Titan Towers, and according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the meeting didn't go well. McMahon was upset that Flair brought lawyers with him. There are unsolved issues which nobody appears to be aware of. The meeting resulted in the two sides being farther apart.

Flair owes the company a significant amount of money. McMahon extended Flair a sizeable personal loan to help the "Nature Boy" resolve his tax problems with the IRS.

In terms of creative, Raw head writer Brian Gewirtz is against the push of Flair beating top guys on his way out at his age since he would be leaving the squared circle.
 

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The downfall of Angle just gets sadder and sadder.  What's worse is that TNA will likely still do next to nothing to help the problem, and we'll just get more Dixie Carter interviews where she touts how well the TNA drug policy works, despite one not existing according to former employees (former as in guys just fired a month ago).

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Ah, nostalgia.

Opening of Clash of The Champions X.  A young Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Gordon Solie, Terry Funk and many more.

Take my word for this - I really miss Gordon Solie.  He was a chain-smoking alcoholic, but the best damned wrestling announcer ever.

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Speaking of nostalgia, I'm on a huge Mid-South kick now, and I'm looking to buy the new Mid-South Volume 1 DVD out in stores now. 

It's got a good price of about $15, but I've had no luck finding it.  Hopefully I'll have better luck with the new "Before They Were Stars: Samoa Joe" DVD with ROH stuff for a mere $10.

There's also a Hardcore Homecoming compilation set coming out, including the two HH national DVDs alongside Forever Hardcore for $25 with a big box over all the existing sets.  Pretty good price considering it's six discs of content, but the November Reign show is just... beyond bland.  At least the first HH show and the Forever Hardcore documentary are good.

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Originally posted by newhook_1:
I was just watching a video of the time Chris Jericho beat Goldberg back in 1998. Classic stuff.

speaking of classics, I dont know if anything could beat Angle being pissed over his medals being stolen and pushing a blind HHH into a kiddie pool instead of off the bridge.

 

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Lex Luger suffered a stroke this morning.  He has no feeling or control below his waist.

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I don't mean to sound cold, but I'm playing the world's smallest violin. I still blame him for Elizabeth's death.

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I just reported it, that's all.  I hold no love or sympathy for Lex Loser.  It seems that we're not the only ones who feel that way, Lex's only friend from his wrestling days is Sting.

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I'm more concerned about Bobby The Brain Heenan.  He's having jaw surgery.  I hope he's alright.

I'm disappointed WWE released Kristal.  She was one of my favorite Divas.

I like the ECW/Smackdown merger.   Hopefully, it will give ECW enough ratings that Sci-fi renews their contract.  Their contract is running out.

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- The latest on Lex Luger is that he is still hospitalized in California and did not suffer a heart attack or a stroke. The problem was an infection that caused a nerve impingement with his central nervous system. He is now undergoing intravenous antibiotic treatment and is expected to make a full recovery. [PWInsider.com]
 

I really can't work up any sympathy for Lex Loser.  Even though he didn't personally kill Elizabeth, I feel he shares a lot of responsibilty for her demise.

Elizabeth was another one of those beautiful women who seemed to date/marry complete psych-case nut-jobs.  Randy Savage was/is a complete loon and Luger is,well, Luger.

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Luger's taken the blame for Liz's death recently, which is kind of admirable, although in a twisted way. 

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There were a few things on RAW that I liked.  I liked the team of Mickie, London and Kendrick.  They should become a team.  They'd be the next Team Extreme.  It's great way to develop them further.

I also like the Hardcore/Cody Rhodes angle.  I hope they become tag team champions.  I don't care about what they say about Hardcore.  I have a huge respect for Holly, since he's been with WWE for a long time and has battled alot of obstacles.

I hope Candice gets better.  She's really improved since Arn Anderson started training her.  The one thing I miss is that JR, KIng and other commentators don't mention who train the superstars anymore.  I remember they used to do that.  HHH, and Chyna were trained by Killer Kowalski.  Dominic DeNucci trained Mick Foley.  It's a great way to pay respect to the past and helps to develop the superstar.

I'd like to know who trained Kennedy, MVP, CM Punk and Elijah Burke.

Big Daddy V vs Kane tonight on ECW.  I really like the Big Daddy V character.  I give it 8/10 for Attitude, awesome entrance theme and the gimmick.  He combines Vader, Big Daddy Cool Diesel and One Man Gang.  I'd give him a perfect 10 if he'd just wear a T-shirt.

I'd have Big Daddy V win the ECW title and have him feud with Kane, and Dreamer.  I'd give Dreamer the title just out of respect of what he's accomplished in ECW.

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BDV's lack of a shirt is part of his appeal  - it helps him keep looking different from anyone else on the roster, and the mud flaps remind me of Abby, as does the elbow finisher.

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Originally posted by Jay:
BDV's lack of a shirt is part of his appeal  - it helps him keep looking different from anyone else on the roster, and the mud flaps remind me of Abby, as does the elbow finisher.

Don't get me wrong.  It doesn't bother me much that he doesn't wear a shirt, because I don't pay attention to it, but it's still a little weird.

ECW has been renew on Sci-Fi going into 2008.

I loved the brawl between BDV, Marc Henry, Kane, and TGK.  They are all going to fight next week.  I'd like to add The Big Show, Umaga, Vader, Yokozuna (RIP) and a few others.

ECW sort of reminds me of what Monday Night RAW was before WCW Nitro started to become a threat to the show.  Now it seems they are coming up with better matches than RAW or SD, except for RAW's main event.  I always wanted to see Michaels and Hardy team up.  That would be a dream match to see those two compete at Wrestlemania.  It would be perfect for Michaels to pass the torch to Jeff and that would start off on Jeff's road to the world title.  I would like to see Jeff wrestle Orton and take his title, but most likely fans will vote for Michaels, since he's won the vote the last 3 years at Cyber Sunday.  Except for 2006 when he wasn't on any votes.

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Originally posted by Jay:
BDV's lack of a shirt is part of his appeal  - it helps him keep looking different from anyone else on the roster, and the mud flaps remind me of Abby, as does the elbow finisher.

You have to admit though, man. His saggy man boobs are pretty gross.

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I hope that BDV bathes regularly.  I was in a squash match against Abby back in 1979 and he almost killed me by putting me in a headlock - the body odor stench was that overpowering.

Abby the Butcher - the original black man with saggy, gross manboobs.

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I hope that BDV bathes regularly.  I was in a squash match against Abby back in 1979 and he almost killed me by putting me in a headlock - the body odor stench was that overpowering.

Abby the Butcher - the original black man with saggy, gross manboobs.

I know that Vader was hard to work with.  He was superstitious, and believed in not washing his ring gear because it would allow him to put on a good match.

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He clearly started cleaning his gear around the turn of this century, then.  newhook, I don't find them gross.  They damn sure aren't appealing, but I don't think the man-boobs hurt his gimmick at all.

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Funny you guys should mention good ol' Leon.  I had a few beers with him last month at Pearl Street Mall in Boulder.  He's proud that his boy is playing for CU and he's proud that he (Leon) hasn't been arrested for over an year.

As old and bloated as Leon 'Vader' White is, he's still a big draw in Japan.

And yes, Jay, manboobs are gross.  Especially the type that Abby and BDV have.

Talk about shock value - I was use to seeing Abby in his white drawstring pants and assorted eating utensils that he would carve up his opponents with.  Then I saw him out and about in Atlanta wearing a very expensive and spiffy suit.

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I recently saw Scott Steiner infamous shoot on Flair in 2000.  "Loose Skin" "crooked yellow teeth".  That made me laugh.  Scott was like "screw the script". Isn't Steiner telling the truth when he says Flair stole Buddy Rogers' name, look, and submission hold?

Why exactly did Scott Steiner get suspended?  Was it for dissing Flair?  Mentioning Austin and WWF? or just cussing too much?  They bleeped him saying butt sucking bastard.

Ironically, Scott Steiner would join forces with Ric Flair later in 2000 and going into 2001.

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Ralph, you in your prime vs Goldust in his prime. Who wins?   

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I recently saw Scott Steiner infamous shoot on Flair in 2000.  "Loose Skin" "crooked yellow teeth".  That made me laugh.  Scott was like "screw the script". Isn't Steiner telling the truth when he says Flair stole Buddy Rogers' name, look, and submission hold?

Why exactly did Scott Steiner get suspended?  Was it for dissing Flair?  Mentioning Austin and WWF? or just cussing too much?  They bleeped him saying butt sucking bastard.

Ironically, Scott Steiner would join forces with Ric Flair later in 2000 and going into 2001.

Didn't he mention something about losing the the WWF because of politics and bullshit or something along those lines?

*Edit* I just looked it up on Youtube. I believe it was for the WWF/Austin remark and saying that WCW sucks, which were both unscripted. Jesus, can you imagine having to tell him he's suspended? What a scary fucking man.

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I finally saw that Flair for the Old skit that Austin/Pillman did in 1993.  That was hilarious.  Did Arn/Flair have a problem with that?  If not then it's hypocritical since the nwo did a good horsemen parody later in 1997.

I hear Flair hated the nwo, since he claims that were about money, greed and they ripped off the horsemen.  I think Flair was just being bitter since the NWO was way cooler than the horsemen.  The horsemen were an old fashion gang and they got beaten up by a much bigger, smarter gang.  Arn even said it was poetic justice since they used to do the things back in the 80's, the nwo did in te 90's.  It was the Horsemen who ganged up on Dusty and broke his arm in public away from an arena.

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The only thing that the Horsemen and the nWo had in common were the fact that they were both factions in WCW. The Horsemen consisted of better workers than the nWo did, but the nWo had a more significant impact on the wrestling world.

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The nWo angle was great but it burned out quickly.  After a year and 15 variations of the nWo, it's 15 minutes of fame was done.

I think the last, best WCW match I watched was Flair, Bret Hart and Scott Steiner taking on Hogan, Nash and Hall.  Flair could still work, Hart was pre-concussion and Steiner was gold on the mic.  It was one of the few times that Tony Schivone's screeching "This is the Greatest Nitro, EVER" was true.  The match lasted over 30 minutes, had outside interference from Arn for Flair's team and fat, old Dusty for the nWo.  It ended with Flair doing the job for Hogan (big fucking surprise there - I absolutely despise the Great Orange Goblin.)

Scott Steiner is a nutjob.  I think he was that way before he started the 'rhoids.  He and his brother were nortorious for taking potshots and working stiff with the lower card guys and others they thought they could bully.  They tried that shit with two old friends of mine (the late Dick Murdock and Dick Slater).  Murdock and Slater gave the Steiner Brothers all they could handle in a real shoot.  After that, the Steiners never tried to bully Murdock and Slater again.

 

Ralph, you in your prime vs Goldust in his prime. Who wins? 

I have nothing but respect for Dustin Rhoades and his being able to pull off the 'Goldust' character.  It's a shame that he let his ex-wife and his daddy fuck his career up as much as they did.  When he was a hated heel, he was a true heat machine.  Watching him try to sodimize The Undertaker on RAW was surreal.  Watching him being able to go toe-to-toe with the best that Vince had to offer was beyond fantastic.  The Goldust/Razor feud ruled.  At that time, Scott Hall, Shawn Micheals, Bret Hart and Dustin Runnels were the best workers that Vince had.

I have no problem stating that in a real shoot, Dustin in his prime would have kicked my ass.  As it is now, his back and knees are so fucked up the Colorado Rockies could beat him.  I may place him in the deathpool as a choice.

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When did that match take place? Flair/Hart/Steiner vs. Hogan/Hall/Nash?  I can't remember if I watched that match or not.  Does anyone have a video of that?  Youtube doesn't have it.  I just checked.