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Slackit02

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« Reply #400 on: 10-02-2008 07:15 »

Claire
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« Reply #401 on: 10-02-2008 10:50 »

So in the uk they showed episode 1 and 2 of Season 3 and I loved it.

What is it with Niki/Tracy. Now that woman is really confusing. Mohinder has powers I wonder what power is this. Hiro is cute and adorable as always.

The bit with Sylar and Clarie creeps me out. poor girl. I think Linderman is Matt's dad trying to play Nathan's mind.
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« Reply #402 on: 10-06-2008 19:40 »

Episode 4 sneek peek

David A

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« Reply #403 on: 10-07-2008 05:28 »

Well, everyone else is evil in the future, so I guess he's good in the future instead.

Speaking of which...
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« Reply #404 on: 10-07-2008 05:33 »

I'm gonna say that the shocking new person in next week's episode is Petrelli Prime
VelourFog

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« Reply #405 on: 10-08-2008 04:03 »

This show still sucks! I think it's time I stop trying to like it and just move on with my DVR.
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« Reply #406 on: 10-08-2008 10:52 »

Semi-running commentary

So, there's triplets: Tracy, Nikki & Barbara. Nikki is dead, right... last season... wonder if we'll meet Barbara later??

Why did they replay the short scene of Parkman with the African, doing the spiritual bit where he can see/paint the future? Scrimping much since it was played end of last ep?

Future Claire (brunette - hot!) ... is she working for The Company? (PS I'm having total eyelash jealousy... they better be fake or i'll be really angry)

Molly! I forgot about her... ohhh yeah

Why can't Hiro teleport himself out of the jail cell? The baddies on Level 5 last episode could still flare fire from their hands etc, so i'ts not like their powers are stopped when they're inside the building.... lame~! Just an excuse for Ando to get mad at him bla bla bla

ahh it's SO not a rash.. silly man.. you have crazy exoskeleton growing out of your skin!

oh and how's Current Peter going to go back in time now that he's stuck in the future since Future Peter got shot??

Like Gabriel/Sylar wouldn't notice the horrible scar is missing frmo his face earlier? YEaaaahh.. smart kid, Noah, picking it out! (Noah, hey.. now that's an interesting association...)
Who's the mommy???

ok ok Parker and Daphne? New baby? Urghh...

Ewww spidey-goo!!

ok whoaaa at a whole lotta stuff happening with Peter and Nathan in the future.. Ha President? ... and killed!!

Damn, not fast enough..

lol @ spirit guide!! - "Is it because I kicked you?" i love the episode of the simpsons with the insane chilli, it's my favourite

Ando and Hiro are so lame compared to everyone else now. roll eyes oh except that last bit.. HEE yay he's back...

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« Reply #407 on: 10-08-2008 14:44 »


That was a very good episode and very intresting on the futute. Yeah some in some way it has to be changed.


ahh it's SO not a rash.. silly man.. you have crazy exoskeleton growing out of your skin!


He is turning into a mutant.


ok ok Parker and Daphne? New baby? Urghh...

I am thinking the same thing.

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« Reply #408 on: 10-08-2008 15:02 »

So, there's triplets: Tracy, Nikki & Barbara. Nikki is dead, right... last season... wonder if we'll meet Barbara later??

No doubt.  And when the writers get tired of her, we'll discover that there are more of them.  roll eyes

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Why can't Hiro teleport himself out of the jail cell? The baddies on Level 5 last episode could still flare fire from their hands etc, so i'ts not like their powers are stopped when they're inside the building.... lame~! Just an excuse for Ando to get mad at him bla bla bla

I'm guessing that the Hatian was standing right outside the whole time.

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oh and how's Current Peter going to go back in time now that he's stuck in the future since Future Peter got shot??

Current Peter can time travel too.  In fact, he's already back in the present at the end of the episode.

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lol @ spirit guide!! - "Is it because I kicked you?" i love the episode of the simpsons with the insane chilli, it's my favourite

Heh.  I thought of the same thing.

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Ando and Hiro are so lame compared to everyone else now. roll eyes oh except that last bit.. HEE yay he's back...

Yeah, and after only four episodes too.  I mean, we knew he'd be back eventually, but really...
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« Reply #409 on: 10-08-2008 16:01 »

Wait, if the Haitian was at the formula exchange... was he getting the other half or giving the other half, I can't remember.
Could Mom Petrelli actually be the secret bastard trying to blow up the world... again?
David A

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« Reply #410 on: 10-08-2008 16:44 »

I think he was picking up Mama Petrelli's half of the formula because she was having it moved from wherever she had been hiding it.
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« Reply #411 on: 10-08-2008 17:05 »

I don't know if ratings are slipping or dvd sales weak or what, but production values this last episode seemed like complete shit all around. Really long opening recap plus more repeated footage later (as ninaka mentioned), and then the special effects just seemed lame compared to a typical episode. I mean, when Peter was learning to use Sylar's ability, am I the only one who expected the watch to just explode into hundreds, or at least dozens, of little parts, coming apart and flying around before coming back together? Instead the two surface gears float out. That's it.

Frankly the slick sexiness and high production values of this show were really it's only major selling point; the story is improvised, the ideas borrowed; the characters would be entirely two-dimensional if the writers didn't keep reinventing their personalities every season. Take away their budget and you might as well just cancel it entirely as far as I'm concerned.

I was pretty hooked despite myself the first season, at this point I catch the last few eps on hulu every few weeks.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #412 on: 10-08-2008 17:32 »

This show still sucks! I think it's time I stop trying to like it and just move on with my DVR.

Why do you hate the show VF? It's one of the few shows that I actually like. It's not about doctors (ER), it's not about romance doctors (Grey's), it's not about women acting bitchy/powerful (Housewives, Lipstick Jungle, whatever that other one that got cancelled was called). Something something Alias X-files something. It's got a lot of heart and is amusing, without having a laugh track. I like it.

...ok, I'm just messin'. I liked season one, except for the crappy ending. I didn't think season 2 was disastrously bad, but it wasn't must-see entertainment either. I planned on catching season 3, but have missed every episode so far. Sounds like I haven't missed much. Too bad.
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« Reply #413 on: 10-08-2008 19:45 »

I'd just like to point out that at no point should Peter lose in a fight.  Stop time + invisible = God combo.
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« Reply #414 on: 10-08-2008 19:48 »

Got to agree with gopher on this one. The effects seemed pretty damn poor by comparison to previous stuff on Heroes. for me it was the Flying that look particually bad especailly the part with Nathan.

Also seemed abit odd that future Sylar's revalation to Peter did not seem to faze him at all.  In fact I was never a huge fan of Peter and he is really starting annoye me now, he should also be told that making your voice slightly gravelly does not make you dark or evil  it just makes him sound silly.
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« Reply #415 on: 10-08-2008 20:13 »

Peter always annoy me
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« Reply #416 on: 10-08-2008 20:56 »

What annoys me with peter is that the writers treat his character like play-doh, just adapting his personality to the situation. The only constant is the whining. Also, why can he be hurt? Did he lose Claire's ability and I wasn't paying attention? The personality thing they do with all the characters to an extent.. they've flipped Mrs. Petrelli's switch back from "good" to "evil" this season, but given her power is dreaming the future we can safely assume by end-of-season they'll flip it back to good by showing it was somehow necessary to save the future, not that it makes a fuck of a difference since they'll no doubt go through at least 2 more futures this season and more next.

That's the other thing that annoys me. The future in Heroes isn't just changeable, it's disposable, while the past apparently cannot be affected - except future-you may come to the present to change your future, which is his present, and his present is somehow less real than our present, so this is possible - though the future-you will inevitably die soon after.

You know, now that I think about it, it's starting to sound like Bender's Big Score.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #417 on: 10-08-2008 21:20 »

Perhaps they are going the X-men route where the futures are actaully alternative realities or rather possible ones and the present and past are generally fixed.

In fact they have done futures fairly similar to the X-man. One where those who are different were hunted down a la Days of futures Past and now one where everyone has powers which will cause the world to explode a la Earth X. In fact in the Earth X story many of the Heores either became Villains or just apathetic.

Also we don't have to sypathise with all villians, I just wish the writters would realise that while you can give them some redeeming factors you can still show that they are jsut completly corrupted.
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« Reply #418 on: 10-08-2008 23:11 »

I'd just like to point out that at no point should Peter lose in a fight.  Stop time + invisible = God combo.

That can't stop a good old-fashioned kick to the balls.
VelourFog

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« Reply #419 on: 10-09-2008 00:40 »

I liked season one, except for the crappy ending. I didn't think season 2 was disastrously bad, but it wasn't must-see entertainment either. I planned on catching season 3, but have missed every episode so far. Sounds like I haven't missed much. Too bad.
well at least I know you are reading my posts!

I just feel like they do the same plots over and over. We have to save the world - AGAIN! It's going to blow up - AGAIN! Which I guess is the same for every show, except after the crappy ending of season one all the novelty was gone for me and I can't get back into it. Sorry, but Peter will always be that jackass guy Jess from Gilmore Girls to me.
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« Reply #420 on: 10-11-2008 01:59 »

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Sorry, but Peter will always be that jackass guy Jess from Gilmore Girls to me.

THAT'S why he seemed familiar back in season 1! And that's why i reflexively hated him without knowing why!

My ex gf used to make me watch gilmore girls. Best part of that breakup, I never have to watch that god-awful show again.
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« Reply #421 on: 10-11-2008 03:38 »

What, you didn't like the totally predictable plot lines and the completely realistic relationships? tongue
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« Reply #422 on: 10-11-2008 05:14 »

Sylar Gabriel Sylar is the reason why I come back to the show each week. That's why I didn't like Season 2.
VelourFog

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« Reply #423 on: 10-11-2008 14:37 »

My ex gf used to make me watch gilmore girls. Best part of that breakup, I never have to watch that god-awful show again.
Also the show is no longer in production. You killed it!
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« Reply #424 on: 10-13-2008 01:52 »

Seriously guys, Jess was the best thing on Gilmore Girls.

On topic, I say Sylar and Peter make a super-team. That way we could also get rid of some characters. Like the internet-lady, what happened to her?
Slackit02

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« Reply #425 on: 10-14-2008 06:30 »

Just... wtf with this episode.

wu_konguk

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« Reply #426 on: 10-14-2008 14:29 »

I second that WTF. Was nice to see Bubbles back on TV though, even if it was only for this episode.

There were quite a few sticking points for me in this one.

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« Reply #427 on: 10-14-2008 16:40 »

Interresting episode, I second the WTF??


Oh, and one question which actually concerns season one, so I won't put it in spoilers. When the haitan and Noah first went to pick up Nathan (When he had sleapt with Jessica/Nicki and that stuff), Nathan flew away. How could he when the Haitan was around? They should have known that he could do that.
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« Reply #428 on: 10-14-2008 21:01 »
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The same reason that Hiro doesn't use his ability to fix every mistake he makes.


Frankly as annoying as a lot of this stuff is, I'm not really that surprised; the "why didn't he use his power" thing happens at least once in every episode with Hiro (and most episodes with peter or sylar) in them, and I expected a shitload of arbitrary character rewrites the minute I heard they were doign the whole "Heroes: Villians" thing for season 3 (and again, they did the same thing in season 2, though to a lesser extent)
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« Reply #429 on: 10-14-2008 21:21 »

I thought he lost his super hearing when Hiro stabbed him and they took his brain apart (and previously collected powers away).
Gopher

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« Reply #430 on: 10-14-2008 21:27 »
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They didn't take his powers, they infected him with a strain of the shanti virus that suppressed all powers. He got them all back in season 2 when he cured himself of the shanti virus. He was at least using telekenesis again almost immediately after shooting himself up with suresh's blood, if I recall.
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« Reply #431 on: 10-14-2008 21:30 »

I'd just like to point out that at no point should Peter lose in a fight.  Stop time + invisible = God combo.

God combo - any brains whatsoever = Peter's still an idiot.

In fact I was never a huge fan of Peter and he is really starting annoye me now, he should also be told that making your voice slightly gravelly does not make you dark or evil  it just makes him sound silly.

Off topic I know, but Christian Bale needs to be told this as well.

they've flipped Mrs. Petrelli's switch back from "good" to "evil" this season, but given her power is dreaming the future we can safely assume by end-of-season they'll flip it back to good by showing it was somehow necessary to save the future,

She hasn't changed sides; she's always been an "ends justify the means" type of person.

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That's the other thing that annoys me. The future in Heroes isn't just changeable, it's disposable, while the past apparently cannot be affected - except future-you may come to the present to change your future, which is his present, and his present is somehow less real than our present, so this is possible - though the future-you will inevitably die soon after.

Minor nitpick: the past can be changed.  Hiro changed it in season one when he went back in time and met Charlie six months before she was killed.  Also, it was made pretty clear in season two that he could have changed the past to prevent his father from being killed, but he chose not to.  That's an important distinction.

Sorry, but Peter will always be that jackass guy Jess from Gilmore Girls to me.

I didn't even realize that that was who he was until I read your post.  From now on, whenever Peter does something stupid I'm going to imagine Luke pushing him into the lake.

Like the internet-lady, what happened to her?

According to the online comic books, she died but her mind is still alive on the internet or something.



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« Reply #432 on: 10-14-2008 21:46 »

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She hasn't changed sides; she's always been an "ends justify the means" type of person.
Ok, fair enough, perhaps she doesn't really change but the writers go out of the way to set the scenes up to make her seem to flip back and forth.

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Minor nitpick: the past can be changed.  Hiro changed it in season one when he went back in time and met Charlie six months before she was killed.  Also, it was made pretty clear in season two that he could have changed the past to prevent his father from being killed, but he chose not to.  That's an important distinction.

yeah, like ralph I'm fond of hyperbole. And for completeness, I must point out that Hiro also spent months in ancient japan, without apparently having any impact on the future whatsoever (except hiding the scrolls in the sword, which somehow miraculously went undetected until Ando noticed). Maybe it's just me, but I'd think having Hiro (and his powers) there from the begining  when he discovered his own powers (not to mention stealing his girl) would've had some effect on the course of Adam's life.
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« Reply #433 on: 10-14-2008 21:55 »

What we really have to worry about is if one of them goes back in time and dues to what they do it retcons what has happened so far in the series. Like, heaven forbid, the persons actions in the past cause Maya's brother to come back to life.

c.f please see Jason todd for strange paradoxes like this.
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« Reply #434 on: 10-14-2008 22:21 »

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She hasn't changed sides; she's always been an "ends justify the means" type of person.
Ok, fair enough, perhaps she doesn't really change but the writers go out of the way to set the scenes up to make her seem to flip back and forth.

Yes, she'll side with whoever she thinks will serve her purposes.  She's been consistently portrayed as someone who will do anything, no matter how horribly evil, as long as it will lead to what she sees as a greater good.

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Minor nitpick: the past can be changed.  Hiro changed it in season one when he went back in time and met Charlie six months before she was killed.  Also, it was made pretty clear in season two that he could have changed the past to prevent his father from being killed, but he chose not to.  That's an important distinction.

yeah, like ralph I'm fond of hyperbole. And for completeness, I must point out that Hiro also spent months in ancient japan, without apparently having any impact on the future whatsoever (except hiding the scrolls in the sword, which somehow miraculously went undetected until Ando noticed). Maybe it's just me, but I'd think having Hiro (and his powers) there from the begining when he discovered his own powers (not to mention stealing his girl) would've had some effect on the course of Adam's life.

Ah, but Hiro had already gone back in time before we found out anything about Adam at all.  The past had already been changed.

And yes, the thing with the scrolls was just a lame plot device used both to frame the Hiro in the past scenes, and to give Ando some screentime.
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« Reply #435 on: 10-14-2008 22:31 »
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So you're saying of all his time traveling, the trip to japan was uniquely a closed causality loop, fated to happen, unlike every other time he's used his powers to change the past? because changing the course of adam's life would have ramifications that would affect the founding of the company and adams's interactions with them. The whole future should have changed, but as Ando's scroll scenes showed the present was continuing on unaffected as hiro altered the past.
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« Reply #436 on: 10-14-2008 23:33 »

So you're saying of all his time traveling, the trip to japan was uniquely a closed causality loop, fated to happen, unlike every other time he's used his powers to change the past?

No.  I'm saying that Hiro went to the past at the end of season one, and we didn't see or even hear about Adam in the past, present, or future until season two.  The past was already changed as soon as Hiro went back to feudal Japan, regardless of how much time had passed in the present between when he left and when he returned.
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« Reply #437 on: 10-15-2008 00:05 »
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oh, so you're saying his trip to japan changed everything *between* then and when he left, but through some kind of temporal form of convergent evolution the two timelines re-converged into the exact same present and future? 'cause whether we'd MET adam or not, it was quite clearly established he was absolutely essential to the founding and early development of "The Company."
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« Reply #438 on: 10-15-2008 00:15 »

But who's to say that Hiro's trip to the past didn't change Adam's part in founding the company and his interactions with them?  How much did we really know about the company before season two anyway?

I agree that it should have changed more than it did, but that's a complaint about time travel stories in general, not one specific to Heroes.
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« Reply #439 on: 10-15-2008 00:39 »

True, which is why I have an aversion to time travel stories in general. smile
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