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PEE Poll: Batman movies
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Batman and Robin
Batman Forever
Mask of the Phantasm
Batman Returns
Batman (1989)
Batman (1966)
Batman and Robin (1949)
The Batman (1943)

Zogonif

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« on: 08-03-2005 09:20 »

Which is your favourite batman movie so far mine would have to be "Batman Begins" now
Joysauce

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« Reply #1 on: 08-03-2005 09:27 »

I'll say Batman. I saw it again recently, and it was actually pretty cheesy. It had some laugh-out-loud bad moments, actually. But, I still enjoyed watching it, because it reminds me of my childhood, and it had some memorable lines/moments. Also, Joker is cool.

I'll have to see Batman Returns again to properly judge that one...I don't need to see Forever and Robin again to know that they are the suckiest movies ever.

Batman Begins was good, but not great. It started out great, with all the Bruce Wayne stuff. After that, it got a little silly--mainly because the whole movie was ultra-serious, and yet it was about a man who dresses up like a bat and battles to save the city from a giant microwave. Batman's "tough guy" voice was a little bit silly. But again, I loved all of the Bruce Wayne stuff. And Scarecrow was really good. If it weren't for nolstalgia, this would definitely be my favorite Batman. I look forward to the sequel.
Zogonif

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« Reply #2 on: 08-03-2005 09:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Joysauce:
Batman Begins was good, but not great. It started out great, with all the Bruce Wayne stuff. After that, it got a little silly--mainly because the whole movie was ultra-serious

But thats what Batman is ment to be like being serious and stuff it was never ment to be funny and colourful
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« Reply #3 on: 08-03-2005 10:10 »

The original of course.
Ben

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« Reply #4 on: 08-03-2005 11:32 »

Burton's bat is the bat for me.

The first one, that is. Although Returns was also cool.
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« Reply #5 on: 08-03-2005 12:15 »

I maintain that Begins does the best job of any superhero movie at creating a sense of realism and suspending disbelief.

Also, I still haven't seen the first one.
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« Reply #6 on: 08-03-2005 13:00 »

I've only seen the first one and Batman Begins.  Both are good, but I give my vote to Begins.  Getting the back story on Batman made the movie much more interesting to me.  It also makes that film a better platform for launching the inevitable sequels than the first. 
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« Reply #7 on: 08-03-2005 14:35 »

"Local Billionare Burns Down Mansion"

Yeah, that one. I'm going to be in the minority on this one, but I think the original Batman isn't as strong as its sequel. I know that's anthenema to a lot of people, but I found BR to be much more enjoyable. Keaton's always been to nebbish to make a solid Bruce Wayne IMO. And while Jack Nicholson is gold as the Joker, he did have to act against all that Vicki Vale nonsense. Besides, I must tilt to any film starring Christopher Walken.

So I'd go:
1) Batman Begins
2) Batman Returns
3) Batman
4)Batman Forever (even though I haven't seen it for a while, I don't remember it being that horrible.)
5)Batman and Robin
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« Reply #8 on: 08-03-2005 15:54 »

I thought Batman was a pretty good film,despite the occasinal cheese on the side. Returns really proved that the man under the mask doesn't usually have the best performance. The villans usually do. Forever is the only Joel film I will watch. ONly for Carrey's performance. Batman and Robin is yur token Hollywood crapfest.Begins brought back the greatness of Batman that was so forgotten after 1995. It is my favorite.
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« Reply #9 on: 08-03-2005 17:51 »
« Last Edit on: 08-03-2005 17:51 »

Begins! Screw all the other ones. Although Burton's had a pee aitch fat look to them and had some good bad guy acting, the stories were kinda childlike. Quite like something that'd go in the animated series.

Begins has very few weak points as far as I can tell (though I've only seen it once so far)
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« Reply #10 on: 08-03-2005 18:17 »

Well I would say:

1. Batman Begins
2. Batman the Movie (60's)
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman
5. Batman Forever
6. Batman and Robin

I am also greatly looking forward to the Batman Begins extended dvd cut, cause who wouldnt want more of the scarecrow? Also very high hopes for the Batman Begins sequal.
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« Reply #11 on: 08-03-2005 20:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Zogonif:
 But thats what Batman is ment to be like being serious and stuff it was never ment to be funny and colourful

I know it's "meant" to be serious, but that's my point. It's hard to take it seriously when the story and premise are so goofy and comicbook-ey.

As for it "never" being meant to be funny and colorful, I'm not entirely sure I agree. I've read a few of the old-school comics, and they were pretty funny and colorful. However, I don't think I've read the *original* original comic that started it all, so I'll take your word for it. Still, I don't think anything with Robin in it could ever hope to be taken seriously.
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« Reply #12 on: 08-03-2005 21:46 »

I think I've seen "Batman the Movie". Is it the one with the weird camera angles and maybe three villians?

Let me say I haven't seen Batman Begins. Also, I don't think that the sequel to Begins will come on par with Batman Returns, but, again, I haven't seen Begins, so I wouldn't know.

With that said, I have to go with Batman. The order would be:
1. Batman
2. Batman Returns
3. Batman Forever
4. Batman and Robin
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« Reply #13 on: 08-04-2005 04:27 »

I would say the first Batman movie (not the one from the 60's!)was the best followed by Batman begins.
the rest:
Batman Returns 
Forever
60's movie
Batman and Robin
Zogonif

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« Reply #14 on: 08-04-2005 04:29 »

Batman and Robin was the worst one of the lot Damn that Joel Schumacher for making it

1- its crap
2- they could'eve picked someone heaps better to play mr freeze
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #15 on: 08-04-2005 05:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Nanmo:
I would say the first Batman movie (not the one from the 60's!)...

Then why do you specifically refer to it as 'the first'? It was part of a different media franchise, yeah. Burton's were another one (though I think Joel's were lumped in together with them) and Nolan's is a new one entirely. But that doesn't mke the   actual first one the 'un-first'.
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« Reply #16 on: 08-04-2005 06:29 »

I would say:

1.Batman begins
2.Batman Forever
3.Batman Returns
4.Batman
5.Batman and Robin

I'll be getting the 8 disc boxset that comes out in October of the 1st four films.
Zogonif

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« Reply #17 on: 08-05-2005 06:24 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2005 06:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Joysauce:
Still, I don't think anything with Robin in it could ever hope to be taken seriously.

I know this is'nt a batman movie but

They did it pretty good with putting Robin in it, In that last Batman Animated series (1992)

davids

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« Reply #18 on: 08-05-2005 07:16 »

Is the mask of the phantasm any good?
Zogonif

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« Reply #19 on: 08-07-2005 09:02 »

IMDB gave it 7/10
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #20 on: 08-07-2005 15:36 »

Here's my list:

1. Batman & Robin
2. Batman Forever
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman
5. Batman Begins
Wooter

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« Reply #21 on: 08-07-2005 16:10 »

...that's in reverse oder, right?
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« Reply #22 on: 08-07-2005 16:25 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2005 16:25 »

I'm hoping it is, or Eyedol may possibly have one of the worst taste in films. Ever.

Also, I'd probably say that my favourite is Begins, although I am quite fond of Burton's two films.
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #23 on: 08-07-2005 19:18 »

No, that's in correct order. Everyone here may hate 'Batman & Robin', but I am actually one of the few people who actually liked that movie. (Plus, Mr. Freeze was the best character out of all the movies, in my opinion. I really don't understand why so many people hate this movie.)
'Batman Begins' was a good movie, but for me, kind of boring. The Scarecrow wasn't even a real villian. There were no good visuals, ecept for the few second that Scarecrow was shown.
Plus, it's just my opinion, it's not like it's gonna affect anyone or anything.
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« Reply #24 on: 08-07-2005 20:44 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2005 20:44 »

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:The Scarecrow wasn't even a real villian.


You mean he didn't constantly spout out one-liners featuring terrible puns, often connected to his predicament, ranging from bad ("The iceman cometh!" ) to the simply awful ("Freeze in hell Batman!" - sorry, but that makes even less sense than the fact that people like Joel Schumacher can get hired as directors).

A significant point which I think is made in ‘Batman Begins’, highlighted in its penultimate scene, is that the personalities behind figures such as Batman and the Scarecrow do not simply disappear or reappear with the wearing of a mask. The mask is a tool, a conduit through which the will of the person is focused, but the ‘villainy’ of the person is constantly defined by their actions, and not their recognisable identity. That the audience was able to see Jonathan Crane in his capacity as a corrupt official, working with Falcone and happy to poison the city’s water supply, all to further his own experiments and for his own gain, is just as important, if not more so, as having him gallavanting around in his later deranged state.  I'm sorry that it was so boring for you that Christopher Nolan actually attempted to give a pyschological explanation for his characters actions, that he attempted to round them rather than make use of the rough carboard cut-outs used by Schumacher, but I found it a welcome relief.

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:There were no good visuals, ecept for the few second that Scarecrow was shown.

This is in comparison to a depiction of an unnecessesarily phantasmagorical Gotham City, more so than anything ever found in any Batman comic or film. Also, check one of the final scenes in ‘Batman and Robin’, where one of the icicles shown on a police car door wobble, making it clear to anyone who hadn't noticed the blindingly obvious, that this is in actual fact poorly disguised plastic, which in no way resembles ice.

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:Plus, it's just my opinion, it's not like it's gonna affect anyone or anything.

Incorrect. By posting your opinion on an internet forum, you are sharing it with the community who frequent it and leaving an open invitation for anyone to comment upon what you are saying.

I'm sorry if I sound overly-harsh, but ‘Batman and Robin’, in its dogged pursuit of nothing more than an easy profit, utterly raped the concept of Batman and helped to instill an image in the minds of a generation of a character utterly different from what Batman actually is. Because of it, people had to wait nearly eight years before anyone in the film community would attempt to portray Batman in any shape or form, let alone accurately, on the cinema screen again.

The fact is that ‘Batman and Robin’ isn't Batman, it isn't even a good film, it's a poorly directed, poorly scripted, poorly presented piece of trash, and how anyone could do anything other than laugh at it, is beyond me.


Eyedol7513

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« Reply #25 on: 08-08-2005 00:02 »

Bushmeister: "I'm sorry if I sound overly-harsh..."
-No need to apologize. I knew when I was typing that I would get some hell, but it's simply the way I feel.
-Also, you are also right in your fourth paragraph.

-Don't get me wrong. I liked 'Batman Begins', it's just that I prefer the more visually stimulating villians.

-For me, 'Batman Begins' was like having The Vulture in 'Spiderman 3', as the main villian. It would be a good story, but not very visually good.
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« Reply #26 on: 08-08-2005 00:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:
I am actually one of the few people the only person, ever, who actually liked that movie sham of a travesty of utter tripe.

FIXXORED
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #27 on: 08-08-2005 02:30 »

Oh, come on. I'm not the only person in the United States (or the world) to like the movie. (Yes, as bad as you people thought 'Batman & Robin' was, it is still a movie.)
And I still don't get why you people say you hate the movie. Maybe you said why before, but I wasn't around to read it.
Zogonif

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« Reply #28 on: 08-08-2005 02:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:The Scarecrow wasn't even a real villian.

Actually he is a real villain in the batman universe eyedol
 http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/batman/bios/villains/scarecrow/
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« Reply #29 on: 08-08-2005 04:45 »

In a way I agree with Eyedol, Batman and Robin isn't a complete disaster of a movie (there have been worse). Yes, it is the worst of the Batman films in my opinion but I would be more than happy to sit and watch it. I agree also that Mr Freeze is the best charactor in that film.
Zogonif

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« Reply #30 on: 08-08-2005 04:58 »

But still they could'eve pick someone heaps better then Schwarzenegger to play that role
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #31 on: 08-08-2005 05:19 »

Thank you <davids>, you finally put down in writing what I've benn trying to say. 'Batman & Robin' may not have the best story, but I would willingly sit down and watch it if given the chance.
Also, I agree with Zogonif. An actor who looked and sounded more convincing would have been a bit better. But if I had to actually change anything, I wouldn't. (BUT, I will admit there were some stupid parts. Especially when the camera focused on George Clooney's ass, and also on the actor who played Robin. Those parts were not needed. But seeing as that women are subjected to this, it's all about equality.)
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« Reply #32 on: 08-08-2005 14:10 »

Bushmeister, your post is hilarious. You take things way too seriously!

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:
Plus, it's just my opinion, it's not like it's gonna affect anyone or anything.

 
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Bushmeister's response:
Incorrect. By posting your opinion on an internet forum, you are sharing it with the community who frequent it and leaving an open invitation for anyone to comment upon what you are saying.

Nice non-sequitor. Eyedol wasn't saying that nobody had the right to comment on what she's saying. She just said that her comment wouldn't affect anybody...because in the end, it's just one person's opinion, so why get so bothered over it?

Personally, I think Batman & Robin is one of the worst movies ever. But I still get what Eyedol's saying, sort of. The Joel Schumacher movies are all bright and colorful--which may be more visually stimulating than Batman Begins, which, in its attempt to be "real", was visually very boring.

Frankly, that's why I prefer Burton's version. His movies were fairly interesting to look at, and brought some "fun" to the franchise. Schumacher went way overboard and turned it into a crapfest. All of that neon and the fast cutting around literally makes the movie painful for me to watch. Nolan made it very serious and very good, but at the expense of fun, visually interesting action sequences.
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« Reply #33 on: 08-08-2005 15:54 »

Batman =/= bright and colorful.

He's the Dark Knight, after all.

Superman is bright and colorful.

That's what's wrong with Batman and Robin - it completely misses the point of what and who Batman is, of the mood of the character.

Also, the casting was muy terrible.
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« Reply #34 on: 08-08-2005 16:11 »

I've voted for Batman as the best film but if I'd seen Batman Begins then I'd probably be voting for that as I think Christopher Nolan is an excellent director and Christian Bale is an excellent actor compared to George Clooney.
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #35 on: 08-08-2005 21:27 »

Joysauce: I'm not a girl.

I don't know why people think that of me.
Zogonif

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« Reply #36 on: 08-09-2005 08:48 »

yea Joysauce notice the gender symbol
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« Reply #37 on: 08-09-2005 18:47 »
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I have not seen Batman begins, so I will make my ranking on only the 4 batman movies I have seen, and I didn’t vote in the poll.
Batman
Batman Forever
Batman Returns
Batman and Robin

Joysauce

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« Reply #38 on: 08-09-2005 21:01 »

 
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By Nixorbo:
Batman =/= bright and colorful.

He's the Dark Knight, after all.





 
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That's what's wrong with Batman and Robin - it completely misses the point of what and who Batman is, of the mood of the character.

No--what's wrong is, it's a crappy movie with a crappy director and crappy writing.

Batman has been through so many different writers, artists, directors and actors, who's to say what Batman is "really" supposed to be? The character has just been pulled in too many different directions. So no, I'm not upset at Batman & Robin for "raping" the character. I'm upset at it for simply being a terrible movie.

 
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yea Joysauce notice the gender symbol

It's a lot easier to notice a girly avatar, than a tiny tiny gender icon which gets lost easily enough amidst the stars and other little icons/doodads in that region. Also, combine that with the fact that "Eyedol" reminds me of "Idol", as in "American Idol", which only girls like--and the fact that they enjoyed Batman & Robin more than Batman Begins--and you can see how easy it is to make that mistake. I apologize.
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« Reply #39 on: 08-09-2005 23:32 »
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Originally posted by Joysauce:
No--what's wrong is, it's a crappy movie with a crappy director and crappy writing.

I thought that part went without saying.

 
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Batman has been through so many different writers, artists, directors and actors, who's to say what Batman is "really" supposed to be?

The nerds, duh.
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