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Slackit02

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« Reply #120 on: 05-14-2011 23:29 »

Just been in commercials.  That is what is going on in the season finale.

http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/video/who-will-be-the-new-boss/1327344

Shows most of the guest stars who are coming in to interview for the manager position.
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« Reply #121 on: 05-15-2011 04:31 »
« Last Edit on: 05-15-2011 04:33 »

So...

Ricky Gervais
Catherine Tate (Donna from Doctor Who? Awesome!)
Will Arnett
James Spader
Jim Carrey
Ray Romano (Ew, lame.)

Honestly I'd be fine with any of them except for the last guy.
I know some people would find Ricky Gervais stupid, but as a fan of the UK Office (it's actually quite good, not nearly as funny as the US Office, but actually really depressing and an interesting take on the way office life is for many people...although then it gets ridiculously happy in the last 5 minutes of the series) I think it would be really awesome to see the characters' reactions to him as their boss...it would certainly make them miss Michael a LOT. While Michael's one redeeming quality was the fact that he was really quirky and fun, and generally tried to be nice to people when he could, Gervais' character is just as offensive as Michael but he's also embarrassing and a complete dick to most people. It would be interesting to see the cast clash with him.
Although I wouldn't really want to see him permanently taking over the gig...seems a bit like Ricky Gervais is trying to move in on his now successful show (while the UK one wasn't as successful) now that he finally has the chance. I suppose I'd really rather any of the others...except Ray Romano, heh. Also while I certainly wouldn't mind Jim Carrey, I think I'm interested in the others more. Not sure Carrey is the right fit for the show.
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« Reply #122 on: 05-15-2011 04:46 »

I think most of the big name people are there to keep people interested with the loss of Michael.

I personally don't find Ricky to be funny, but the boss isn't the reason I watch the show.  Though I suppose an overly horrible boss WOULD make me stop watching. 

Is Ray Romano's show men of a certain age still being made?  I hope so, because then it would be less likely that he would take over.  Just looking at the imdb pages, Arnett's is the least filled.  Except there is an officially announced Arrested Development movie.
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« Reply #123 on: 05-15-2011 05:07 »

I'm excited to see what they do with Catherine Tate. I thought I was reading it wrong at first when I saw she'd be on. And I am a big fan of Jim Carrey so that'll be great to see.
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« Reply #124 on: 05-16-2011 05:24 »

I don't think they will do much with her.  I would venture to guess that 95% of Office fans have no idea who she is.
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« Reply #125 on: 05-16-2011 07:50 »
« Last Edit on: 05-16-2011 07:56 »

The purpose of the guest stars is twofold: to bigger ratings for the finale and, if they choose one of them, to bring in new fans to the show -or-, if they don't choose one of them, to serve as red herrings.

But, really, does it help the show to not choose one of them? The show needs to have a star, and none of the current cast really have star power. The only three cast members that come close to Steve Carrell's star power are Craig Robinson, Ed Helms, and John Krasinski. Keep in mind they'll likely want to keep up the zany and/or problem-prone boss dynamic. Daryl would be too good of a boss. Andy has no competency to be boss, which was shown a few times in recent episodes. And Jim has already declined the job, and I just can't see his brand of antics working well as the star of the show.

This leads me to believe that, although we're lead to believe that all of the guest stars are stunts to bring in viewers and to serve as red hearings, one of them will ultimately get the job. Of the list a few are already gone: Ray Romano is starring in Men of a Certain Age, Will Arnett will be starring in a new NBC comedy called Up All Night, Catherine Tate will be appearing in Much Ado About Nothing (with David Tennant) in London starting today until September 16 (when filming for this fall would start), and Jim Carrey is Jim Carrey. The only options are Ricky Gervais and James Spader.

With these two, keep in mind that a few cast members have said NBC wants the show to last about another three years. Ricky Gervais can bring the funny, but do you really think he'd want to commit to ~60 episodes over three years? James Spader is the only of the guest stars that has a serious chance of being cast. Plus, he's won three Emmys. That's pretty legit.


Ugh: I just did a little searching for what the buzz is about who will take over.  If they person the web is saying is true.  Yuck.
Who is "the web" saying? I haven't found any spoilers about the episode yet.
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« Reply #126 on: 05-16-2011 20:59 »

I found an article that was saying that Thomas Lennon is what the internet is saying will take over.  I can't imagine him in that position.
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« Reply #127 on: 05-16-2011 22:01 »

I found one website mention him in passing along with a slew of others who won't even be appearing in the episode. The article even mentions Alec Baldwin.
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« Reply #128 on: 05-17-2011 02:59 »

That's why I found it odd.  I posted the previous before checking who was showing up in the finale.  Though as you mentioned, all these people could be red herrings
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« Reply #129 on: 05-18-2011 10:58 »

Tom Lennon? Oh I loved him in Reno, he played a great self-centered hillbilly boss in that.

Will Arnett would be AMAZING in this role. We already got a taste of what a jerk boss he was in AD - and here's the key thing - he was funny AND likable. He definitely has the ability to combine those two elements needed to take over Carrell's role.

If either of those two were the boss, I would have renewed faith in the show. If someone like Ray Romano got it, I would have tuned out at the right time. I just don't think he's funny.

Jim and Pam became one of those couples who do exactly what other says, that's why they irritate me. They may have a few differences but back when they were dating they had many, and that's what made it interesting. Now it's JAM all the way, and people like that who can't think on their own IRL are quite irritating. I turned on Jim when he did something to Dwight unprovoked...he threw something at him I think? Maybe snowball? I don't remember, these episodes aren't very memorable for me.

I love Andy. Erin is insane. She's one of those preppy airhead girls you wanna squeeze til you pop some sense into them. Girls like that are the reason that actual intelligent women can't find even a desk job.

Wow, I'm usually not this bitter, I swear!
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« Reply #130 on: 05-18-2011 20:41 »

Isn't the whole point of this show supposed to be that most of the characters are annoying and deeply, deeply flawed? Hating Erin because she's stupid...doesn't make any sense. She's SUPPOSED to be stupid, that's the point. The people who write her character aren't trying to make you think she's smart or somebody who should actually have the job she has.

On the other hand though, she's nice and fun-loving. I think the biggest message of this show is that even people with tiny brains can have big hearts.

Except the way she dumped Gabe...that was cold.
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« Reply #131 on: 05-18-2011 22:06 »

What do you mean? Half the crap she says in the talking heads is very...disturbing. Even Michael thought she was too weird when he went to lunch with her, and he's odd himself.

I liked Pam as the receptionist. Responsible, mature, overlooked for what she does...that was about right. I don't trust someone who's always smiling like Erin. shifty
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« Reply #132 on: 05-19-2011 02:43 »
« Last Edit on: 05-19-2011 02:51 »

Half the crap she says in the talking heads is very...disturbing.

The talking heads? Sorry maybe I'm stupid but I don't know what you're referring to.

Like I said though, that's the whole point of her character. It's like if you were to say you don't like the character of Jafar in Aladdin because he's evil. Erin's character is supposed to be stupid, misinformed, and naive. It's what makes her character funny. If you don't find her funny then okay, I get that. But it sounds like you're assessing her more as a real person than as a character in the show The Office (known for it's ridiculous and inane characters).

I like your not trusting her because she's always smiling haha. That always bugs me that people don't trust people that are happy. I'm generally happy all the time when I have no real right to be, but I'm pretty trustworthy...maybe. >_>
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« Reply #133 on: 05-19-2011 03:15 »

Josh: by "talking heads" she means the one-on-one interviews with the camera crew.

At first, I didn't like Erin. She seemed too happy. But she's grown on me, especially with her romance with Andy. So maybe it's that I like Andy...
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« Reply #134 on: 05-19-2011 10:59 »
« Last Edit on: 05-19-2011 11:05 »

I guess to be fair I have only seen her in her relationship with Gabe, when Andy was pining for her. Based on that, I judged her and did not like her. Maybe now the character has grown, but for what I saw up til I stopped watching I didn't like it.

re: Erin smiling - What did Dwight say?

"I never smile if I can help it. Showing one's teeth is a submission signal in primates. When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life."

laff
JoshTheater

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« Reply #135 on: 05-20-2011 03:50 »
« Last Edit on: 05-20-2011 04:47 »

There's only 10 minutes left in the episode and only one big name hasn't been interviewed yet. Pretty sure I know who's gonna become boss. And psyched about it.

Edit: Never mind. It was getting close to the end there and I almsot figured he wasn't going to appear in the episode, but then he appeared and he was one of the guys they talked about but didn't show.

In other news AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUGH CLIFFHANGER GODDAMMIT
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« Reply #136 on: 05-20-2011 07:52 »

Wow, I didn't read up on any of this guest star business; I interrupted a Boston Legal marathon to watch this final episode and suddenly James Spader appeared and I got confused as to whether I had stopped the dvd or not laff It was nice to see all the guest stars but kind of sad to see how old Carrey, Spader and Romano look now. Spader acted similarly to the way he acted as a lawyer, but I liked it.

Also, what's everyone's problem with Romano? I'm not a big fan or anything, but I wouldn't be opposed to him being on the show. I think all of them would be interesting in their own ways.

Except the way she dumped Gabe...that was cold.
Yeah, that was something that turned me off her character a bit. And I felt sorry for Gabe until he started acting like a phycho tongue
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« Reply #137 on: 05-20-2011 09:15 »

Wow, that was anti-climatic in a lot of ways. The search obviously, but also how they dealt with Andy and Erin. Really? Why didn't Andy do it?! Gabe just left, and you're going to say no now?! Unbelievable reaction, it's like they were trying for a second cliffhanger (like they needed one). There are now four storylines going into next season:
  • New boss
  • Andy and Erin
  • Angela marrying the (gay) (State) Senator
  • Who the fuck is that new assistant?!?!

Personally, after watching all of the interviews, the outside interviewee that they gave the most time to develop was James Spader (I'll be using guests names rather than character names for this). Will Arnett was gone before I even noticed, Warren Buffett was obviously just a joke, Ray Romano killed his own chances, Ricky Gervais was another obvious joke, Catherine Tate seemed way too horrible to be taken seriously, and Jim Carrey wasn't even shown until the end of the episode. The only guest they developed nearly as much as Spader was Tate, but think about how her interview went. "This is my idea. ... Nevermind, that sucked, this my idea. ... Nevermind..." I'm still not sure if her appearance was meant as a joke like Gervais or even Romano, or if I'm supposed to have taken her appearance seriously. Just wow, I would probably not watch the show if she were boss. Her humor fell flat. Although Spader has a dry wit, it's still a wit. His scenes were hilarious, especially the one with Romano and Dwight. What a shrewd businessman, reminds me much of his character Alan Shore from Boston Legal.

And, of the internal interviewees, Andy didn't take himself seriously (although Jo does point out he went to Cornell and seemed to be praise him, although that could've been a ploy to reveal Gabe's hatred for him), Daryl fell out during his interview with not being prepared (in addition to his stunt at the end), and Dwight's obviously not getting the job. Daryl was the one internal interviewee that seemed to have an actual chance but then he just didn't seem to make the cut with it.

So, if I had to make my choice, it'd definitely be James Spader. His character received some development and has a lot of room to grow. My second choice would be Daryl, followed by Ray Romano (who obviously won't be getting it).


Also, if you've been reading the trade magazines' websites today (like Hollywood Reporter) supposedly the producer's want:
but, since they may be busy with other commitments, the back-up (and thus, likely new boss) is:
It saddens me that they didn't just reveal who got the job at the end of this episode, because, with how contracts and the media work nowadays, we'll know who got the job before the first episode of next season airs.
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« Reply #138 on: 05-20-2011 09:22 »

That's why I'm glad I hadn't read any of this thread before I saw the episode. It was a nice surprise for me to see Spader, and then especially Jim Carrey at the end, because I had absolutely no idea they were going to be on the show. I agree though, Spader got the most development and I was leaning towards him to be the boss, I think he's excellent and would be easy to watch in place of Michael.
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« Reply #139 on: 05-20-2011 17:04 »
« Last Edit on: 05-20-2011 17:08 »

Spader was too insane for them to consider hiring him. They also knew he had no paper experience whatsoever. None of the people on the search committee nor anyone else in the office showed any interest in hiring him, so I really don't think he's an option.

I think it's funny that Jim Carrey's character was actually the only outsider they said they were seriously considering when they were talking to Jo. But then at the end when they actually showed him it was pretty clear it wouldn't be him...I just don't see him doing a long run on the show sticking to that ridiculous voice he did, haha.

Honestly I'm with what some of you were saying before, I think they were all red herrings. I don't think we'll really meet the new boss until next season, even if we found out who it is before then.

Anyway, my favorite part of the episode was probably when Ryan gave Jim the speech about caring about something, then closed the door and you got Jim's reaction shot, like "What the fuck was that".
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« Reply #140 on: 05-20-2011 21:13 »
« Last Edit on: 05-20-2011 21:23 »

So NBC has an online poll (lawl) on The Office's website asking fans who they want to be the boss (link). The options given are: Robert California (Spader), Daryl, Nelly Bertram (Tate), Dwight, Fred Henry (Arnett), and Andy. Currently, #1 and 2 are Andy then Robert, with last place being Nelly. It seems like it's not just me that liked Spader, and I'm lawling hard that Tate got last.

Edit: Actually, interestingly enough, most articles about the show that have polls have Spader as the frontrunner. Odd.
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« Reply #141 on: 05-21-2011 04:06 »

You know what, I really think Dwight is going to get it.  I think that was why they made such a point at the end for Jim to take this seriously.

Crazy or not, Dwight WOULD be a good boss.  He's very efficient, always the top salesman, etc.  Plus, they totally set it up by Jo telling Jim to interview him, saying she likes a little crazy. 

On a completely unrelated note - can BJ Novak go away already?  He has always been totally worthless on this show.  And if we can't dump him from the show, for the love of God take him out of the opening credits.  He gets about as much time as Creed does, there are more deserving/more important characters that should be there.

Finally... Phyllis...do we really need to keep hearing this crap about her?  It was funny maybe the first time that the old looking frumpy lady is into crazy gross things, now its just... ugh.
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« Reply #142 on: 05-21-2011 04:26 »
« Last Edit on: 05-21-2011 04:28 »

Amy, you do know BJ Novak is one of the main writers of the show, since the very beginning, right? He's penned maybe about half the episodes or more...

Ryan is also a funny character, despite your assessment. :P
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« Reply #143 on: 05-21-2011 07:42 »

I didn't like Spader, he was too intense and made no sense (to me at least). I mean if he was hired he would be the villain character, that's what he struck me as, and that won't fly in this show. I really enjoyed how Dwight reacted to him. Romano's character made me feel so much pity for him, I thought it was pretty funny. I liked Ricky Gervais's cameo earlier with Michael episodes and episodes ago, and the reason I would pick him is because well...he did create that character. I know it won't happen but I like him very much.

I agree with the 'red herring' theory, they made each interviewee an awful candidate. Will Arnette was funny as always and I wouldn't mind seeing him, but he would be a douche and I like him better as the douche and Jack's rival on 30 Rock. As lame as it is, I did find the joke about Jim Carrey's character to be pretty funny. I knew that since he was the biggest name on the guest star list that he would be seen the least, and it was ridiculous that you see him for like 45 seconds in the entire episode, I hate it when TV shows that tease you like that.

And no surprise but Carrey would be my choice, and hey he was the supposed front-runner according to Jim. But I agree with the whole dialect thing and that it was obviously a one shot and a real cock tease at that. But in a perfect world, he'd gets my vote.

My favorite moments were when Jim acted so surprised by Dwight's reveal as the burn victim, and the look on Dwight's face that said, "I know, I'm sorry I fooled you". Second was Ryan's speech to Jim at the end of part 1, I love how he just hides in that closet (and stealing money out of Kelly's purse was funny too).

You know what I'm really anticipating, the whole gay senator thing. I mean man I wanted to scream so loudly to Angela that she was marrying a gay man when she started acting all haughty-taughty. Total bitch has this coming, can't wait to see what happens.

PS. Why did no one call Gabe out on his behavior? With Andy and especially Kelly, I mean they knew what his beef with Andy was but how rude was he to her! As much as Kelly annoys me, I rooted for her when she got his ass removed.

PPS. Creed. Awesome.
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« Reply #144 on: 05-21-2011 08:31 »
« Last Edit on: 05-21-2011 08:42 »

Josh, yes I do know that about BJ.  I also know that his character is useless.  Seriously, it was fine in the beginning of the series.  His character was even funny.  Its not anymore.  

BTW, if by saying BJ has written half or more of the episodes, you meant 13, then you would be correct.
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« Reply #145 on: 05-21-2011 09:07 »

His transition from temp to corporate to total douche was amazing, you can't deny that! One of my favorite moments with him in the whole series is when Michael is starting his own paper company and finds him with the dyed dbag blonde hair in the bowling alley hahaha.
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« Reply #146 on: 05-21-2011 19:29 »
« Last Edit on: 05-21-2011 19:36 »

BTW, if by saying BJ has written half or more of the episodes, you meant 13, then you would be correct.

Lol, how big of a fail was that, eh? I think I deserve a punch in the gut for that one.
I thought I remembered looking at the list of episodes and seeing him having written a LOT more. Perhaps I should look things up from now on before I just say them...naaah.

Anyway although he only penned 13 scripts I'm sure he has been involved in the writing of jokes for most episodes, and he was an executive co-producer of the show since the beginning, and as of recently I believe he is now a full executive producer.

And I and others think his character is still funny...so whatever. smile
I agree with Randi, his character changing from a nice, naive and helpless temp to a ridiculously rich and successful businessman and coke addict, to absolute nothing bottom of the barrel, to back where he was before (except now as a manipulative douchebag) is hilarious.
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« Reply #147 on: 05-21-2011 22:17 »
« Last Edit on: 05-22-2011 00:29 »

But he looks back at himself as though he deserves to be the coke addict, rich guy.  He has this complete false pride.  I would probably find it funny if he didn't take himself so seriously (or his character didnt.)  More like Creed.  Creed knows hes a weirdo.

All I'm saying is that I don't think he deserves to be in the front credits.  That's where main characters show up, not people who aren't even in every episode.  If him being a producer is enough to be on the front credits - then Paul Lieberstein should be there too.
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« Reply #148 on: 05-22-2011 01:05 »

I was always curious how they chose who would be in the lead credits, in the beginning of the show I think Ryan was in many of the episodes (correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure...?) It's nice they added Andy to the credits, he deserves it. I think it'd be a lil weird taking someone out of the credits who was there from the beginning but still present...ya know? But I can see where you are frustrated when brilliant guys like Creed aren't in the credits (him and Ryan are among my favorites).

Perhaps they should have just kept it like the shorter intros they use on reruns, where they only show the office supplies (copier, water cooler) and if they show people they aren't credited. Steve Carrell had to be credited though, no question.
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« Reply #149 on: 05-22-2011 04:42 »
« Last Edit on: 05-22-2011 04:45 »

Yeah Randi, Ryan was much more prominent in the beginning of the show.  I guess it would be weird to take him out, but... oh well!  I was watching the outtakes from season... 6 I think it was, and he just came off like such a douche-bag, so I wouldn't feel bad for him if he lost his credit status.  

I know lots of shows with changing staff all the time tend to just drop the credits.  Grey's Anatomy used to do the opening theme,  I'm sure one of the reasons they stopped was because their was a new cast member like every month lol.

Also, I love Creed.  He hasn't been "featured" as much as he has been in previous seasons, so I was so glad to see him as boss.  I even found it hilarious what Pam was doing with pretending to be different clients.

Also, about the new assistant: I would think that since Deangalo hired her, she would stop being there when he went into the hospital.  Or... kinda be by his side?  I've never seen a personal assistant transfer like that.  Thats why they are personal assistants.  Maybe it was fine that he hired her, because I guess Michael used Pam/Erin as an assistant when he probably wasn't supposed to.

From what I'm reading on the web, new assistant might stick around to cause problems between Jim and Pam as NA was flirting with Jim in one of the last episodes.

Also, am I the only one that liked Gabe?  Not crazy, yelling at everyone, trying to destroy Andy - Gabe, but I did like awkward, unaware, Lady GaGabe
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« Reply #150 on: 05-22-2011 05:29 »

I love how Dwight is the US analogue of Gareth, and yet the fan polarisation over who loves and who hates Gareth has been shifted to Ryan in the US version.

can [Ryan] go away already?

Ryan is also a funny character,

(him and Ryan are among my favorites)

This discussion was had in Britain regarding the original series of the Office, but with Gareth in Ryan's place, years ago. Yet, it seems that everybody loves Dwight. I find these little differences intriguing... and I really should watch some more of the US version.
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« Reply #151 on: 05-22-2011 06:20 »

Derek had a thought...what if the boss is gonna be someone from Office Space, like Ron Livingston or the dude who played Bill Lumberg.
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« Reply #152 on: 05-22-2011 06:56 »

hmm, doing some reading - seems like Rainn only wants to play Dwight for another year or two.  Though I think The Office can survive losing Michael, I really don't think it could, losing Dwight

Ha also read this: We’re very excited to have found Cody.(New Assistant) We’ve been searching for a love interest for Creed for a long time. So just sit back and get ready to be disgusted.” - Paul Lieberstein

Also seems they are casting for a new accountant and Stanley's daughter, who may become a regular.
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« Reply #153 on: 05-23-2011 04:11 »

We’ve been searching for a love interest for Creed for a long time. So just sit back and get ready to be disgusted.” - Paul Lieberstein

wtf? ...what the fuck...if they actually manage to pull this off in a way that makes sense I will be very surprised.
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« Reply #154 on: 05-23-2011 04:41 »

I'm pretty sure he was joking!  Though, I suppose it would be her wanting a father figure? 
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« Reply #155 on: 06-02-2011 08:40 »

...the dude who played Bill Lumberg.

Gary Cole.

And yeah, if they added Gary Cole to the cast of The Office, I'd probably watch it.

I mean, I already watch it now, but still.

Hi, Randi.  smile
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« Reply #156 on: 06-08-2011 09:48 »

Just bought season 4 on DVD for few reasons.

Kevin Mchale/Artie in Glee is in episode 3

I love Ed Helms

And Steve Carell is brilliant 
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« Reply #157 on: 06-24-2011 22:10 »

Looks like they found their new boss...
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« Reply #158 on: 06-24-2011 22:37 »

That says they want him for the CEO to replace Kathy Bates, but not as the branch manager...so not yet. hmpf
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« Reply #159 on: 06-24-2011 22:46 »

It says the current proposed story is he'll be hired as the manager and then finagle corporate into making him CEO.
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